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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: p07r0457 on July 05, 2013, 04:51:27 PM
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Hello. I'm trying to add some fall protection to my 2009 Concours 14 ABS. I notice that Murphs Kits has some sliders for the front forks and rear swingarm, but there is a disclaimer that the rear is incompatible with the 2009 model. Any ideas why? I wasn't aware of a change to that part for 2010. I did email Murph's Kits, but its been a few days without a reply so I thought I'd try the hive mind. ;)
http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=130_133&products_id=505 (http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=130_133&products_id=505)
Thanks.
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Hello. I'm trying to add some fall protection to my 2009 Concours 14 ABS. I notice that Murphs Kits has some sliders for the front forks and rear swingarm, but there is a disclaimer that the rear is incompatible with the 2009 model. Any ideas why? I wasn't aware of a change to that part for 2010. I did email Murph's Kits, but its been a few days without a reply so I thought I'd try the hive mind. ;)
I can't answer your question about those sliders. I wouldn't have thought there was any change on the either, also.
However, if you want any real protection, it will require either the Full Canyon Cages or Top Blocks or a combination of them (front Blocks + rear Canyons). You might have already figured that out by now from the zillions of posts, however.
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However, if you want any real protection, it will require either the Full Canyon Cages or Top Blocks or a combination of them (front Blocks + rear Canyons). You might have already figured that out by now from the zillions of posts, however.
I like the look of the Canyon Cages in the front. However, I think the rears would look odd if the bags are removed.
The Top Blocks are quite expensive, in my opinion.
I was considering some basic sliders to get me at least some protection. For example: http://projektd.com/product_info.php?products_id=71 (http://projektd.com/product_info.php?products_id=71)
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I think the rears would look odd if the bags are removed.
Yes, it makes the bike look stupid without the bags on. I never run without the bags anyways.
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Corbin1.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Corbin1.jpg.html)
I have the full MCE set-up and sliders front and rear. Why you ask, because I get ZG's hand me downs. ;D
He had to get the new Top Blocks ones that you are looking at. He has them on his 09, so they must work. PM ZG and he will tell you if he had to do any strange mods.
Projeckt D front and rear sliders say they fit 08-13 and they are cheaper.
http://projektd.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_39_40&products_id=46 (http://projektd.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_39_40&products_id=46)
http://projektd.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_39_40&products_id=151 (http://projektd.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_39_40&products_id=151)
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I have the GSC sliders and have the rear on a 2009. I got them when we did a group buy a few years ago. I can't see what the difference would be.
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I have the full MCE set-up and sliders front and rear. Why you ask, because I get ZG's hand me downs. ;D
;D :grouphug: :chugbeer:
He had to get the new Top Blocks ones that you are looking at. He has them on his 09, so they must work. PM ZG and he will tell you if he had to do any strange mods.
Yep, I have the Top Block rear sliders on my 09 and they fit just fine, from what I heard the reason they say they won't work on the 08/09 is because of the Kawi stock potato launcher, but if yer running an aftermarket pipe (like you should be) then you'll be just fine. :)
Oh, and by the way they work great, check out these pics for proof... ;)
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=8315.msg100791#msg100791 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=8315.msg100791#msg100791)
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I like the look of the Canyon Cages in the front. However, I think the rears would look odd if the bags are removed.
They do look strange with no bags. But I never remove the bags from my Concours, so I don't care :)
The Top Blocks are quite expensive, in my opinion.
They are expensive, no opinion needed :)
I was considering some basic sliders to get me at least some protection.
I suppose it is better than nothing at all, but they won't offer much protection.
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Yep, I have the Top Block[...]Oh, and by the way they work great, check out these pics for proof... ;)
Indeed they do work (and look great, at least on the 1st gen C14), as long as it is just a very slow drop (and you are willing to pay and drill the fairings). But if there is any rocking force (like with a more violent drop), it can/will lever over the front Blocks and smash the bags, mirrors, and top fairing. If you combine them with the rear Canyons, that is far less likely to happen.
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I can feel my brane beginning to hurt again.....
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I can feel my brane beginning to hurt again.....
Time to switch back to beer now Sparky, put the wine glass down... ;) :chugbeer:
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Indeed they do work (and look great, at least on the 1st gen C14), as long as it is just a very slow drop (and you are willing to pay and drill the fairings). But if there is any rocking force (like with a more violent drop), it can/will lever over the front Blocks and smash the bags, mirrors, and top fairing. If you combine them with the rear Canyons, that is far less likely to happen.
Do the Canyon Cages (front & rear) protect against this? In other words, would they be the best level of protection?
Does anyone know who has them in stock (front and rear, in black)?
If I accept that the bags can never really be removed, then I suppose those would be the most reasonable choice.
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Do the Canyon Cages (front & rear) protect against this?
Yes
In other words, would they be the best level of protection?
Yes. There is currently nothing better except the large (police type) bars offered by the same company (it is the older design). But compared to the Top Block option, the Canyons are not as attractive.
Does anyone know who has them in stock (front and rear, in black)?
Most of us bought directly. But, unfortunately for customers (and fortunately for them) they are so popular they can't seem to keep up with demand.
If I accept that the bags can never really be removed, then I suppose those would be the most reasonable choice.
You CAN remove the bags, it just looks odd without them- like the rear of the bike has ears or something :)
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Yeah, I'm debating whether to leave them on for the ride to the dealer this morning. Looks ugly as sin without them and having the rear guards out there.... Guess I'll have to call my bike Opie from now on if I leave them off.
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Yeah, I'm debating whether to leave them on for the ride to the dealer this morning. Looks ugly as sin without them and having the rear guards out there.... Guess I'll have to call my bike Opie from now on if I leave them off.
When I went to the dealer, I did take the bags off- less possibility of damage. But that was before the Canyons. I have no idea what to do now. The front Canyons have to come off before any real service. OR with those cuts I could take off the fairings. The dealer wouldn't be able to handle either without damaging something (most likely) or at least charging me more. And either way is going to look really bad if I do it before riding there.
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The last time that I took my bike to the dealer (the time before last actually, for the rear brake recall) I removed the bags so that there would be less chance of the dealer's tech messing something up. I ended up banging one of the bags against a door frame and scratching it myself. :o
It does look ugly with no bags mounted and the rear MCE bars installed. Oh well.
I just had a new rear tire put on by my dealer, I left the bags on this time, no damage. :)
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I decided to leave them on and removed them at the dealer's.
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Here is my experience with swingarm sliders on the C14.
Was at an event in Quantico, the "advanced cornering clinic". Very tight course set up for high performance riding on a roughly 1/4 mile by 1/4 mile parking lot. Speeds reach 60 or more mph in the short straights.
A guy dropped his C14 at relatively low speed. About 5 of us were looking at the bike, and all of us reached the conclusion the sliders on the rear, on the swingarm, stuck out sooooo far, they caused the crash.
I do not know the make of sliders, but I would not put the ones I saw on my bike, as I deemed them dangerous.
YMMV,
Barry
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A guy dropped his C14 at relatively low speed. About 5 of us were looking at the bike, and all of us reached the conclusion the sliders on the rear, on the swingarm, stuck out sooooo far, they caused the crash.
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/emoticons/Seriously.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/emoticons/Seriously.jpg.html)
I need to see these here sliders you speak of.
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Yup. All of us were of the opinion we would NOT run the sliders we saw. They would touch down WAAAAY too early.
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Yup. All of us were of the opinion we would NOT run the sliders we saw. They would touch down WAAAAY too early.
What was the slider made of, a tractor tire?
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Car tire... And I want to see what they look like as well. Anyone with any pictures of said device?
This?
http://www.whaccessories.com/images/GSGSwingarmSliderGTR1400.jpg (http://www.whaccessories.com/images/GSGSwingarmSliderGTR1400.jpg)
or
http://www.pca-one.com/productDetail.asp?productID=7101 (http://www.pca-one.com/productDetail.asp?productID=7101)
Either way, they don't look like they stick out that much or enough to bring the bike down... :nuts:
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They were Delrin, but far too long. They effectively made the bike touch "hard" parts way sooner than it would have in stock form.
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Looked like the first link....
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They were Delrin, but far too long. They effectively made the bike touch "hard" parts way sooner than it would have in stock form.
How long is too long? I guess if it's long enough to touch ground it's way too long...he says with a 12 year old smirk on his face.
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How long is too long? I guess if it's long enough to touch ground it's way too long...he says with a 12 year old smirk on his face.
;D
That's when you just throw it over yer shoulder eh Spark? ;)
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http://www.whaccessories.com/images/GSGSwingarmSliderGTR1400.jpg (http://www.whaccessories.com/images/GSGSwingarmSliderGTR1400.jpg)
That is what I have. I cannot imagine it getting in the way at "relatively low speed."
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I've seen plenty of guys dragging pegs at under 30mph... this was a very, very tight course.
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http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=8315.msg100791#msg100791 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=8315.msg100791#msg100791)
If you look at the pics from this link my swing arm sliders barely kept my exhaust from hitting the ground, I'd rather have my cheap easy to replace swing arm sliders hit the ground before my spendy full Muzzys does... :-\
FWIW my swing arm sliders have never hit the ground while riding that I know of. :)
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Pretty tight turn, eh wot?
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If you look at the pics from this link my swing arm sliders barely kept my exhaust from hitting the ground, I'd rather have my cheap easy to replace swing arm sliders hit the ground before my spendy full Muzzys does... :-\
FWIW my swing arm sliders have never hit the ground while riding that I know of. :)
The slider touches down, the rear wheel will be unweighted, and you will crash, exactly like we think the guy did at the Quantico event.
The point is if they stick out far enough that they can touch down while you are still on the tire, they can unweight the tire like any other hard part that touches down... except you ADDED this one to your bike. Not smart.
Again, my opinion, worth the cost.
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FWIW my swing arm sliders have never hit the ground while riding that I know of. :)
Look at them and that will tell ya. ::) ;)
The slider touches down, the rear wheel will be unweighted, and you will crash, exactly like we think the guy did at the Quantico event.
The point is if they stick out far enough that they can touch down while you are still on the tire, they can unweight the tire like any other hard part that touches down... except you ADDED this one to your bike. Not smart.
Again, my opinion, worth the cost.
This is my opinion here, I don't want to start an argument. if you have the bike over that far you are going down. The sliders had nothing to do with it. Again, MHO.
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Not smart.
I've never claimed to be smart, I have $30k into a $10k bike... :nuts:
And love it! ;D
But I also have some Benji's in the pocket and a hot wife with big boobs that are real... ;D ;D
J/K... ;) (ok not really)
For real though I don't rail my ZG to the point that the sliders would hit, she's a big bitch that is meant for 2up, commutes, longer rides, and comfort, if I want to rail hard in the corners I ride my Gixxer. ;) :chugbeer:
I'll stick with my swing arm sliders and save my Muzzys from pain, they've already saved me $1500 so far after just one drop. :)
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Well, 2 things... Been out chainsawing trees in my back yard in mid-90s heat so I was hot, tired, and probably cranky when I was positing... Apologies if I was not polite.
Second is I can't remember the sliders exactly, I mentioned that they appeared similar to one of the links Va Jim provided... that said, I remember thinking they were amazingly tall, long, whatever you want to say, but they stuck WAAAAAAY out. About 5 of us standing around looked at the bike, hard parts, and came to the conclusion that the slider we saw would touch down in advance of anything else, before the bike ran out of tire.
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If you look at ZG's swingarm and axel sliders in these pics. (made by Top Block I believe)
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=8315.msg100791#msg100791 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=8315.msg100791#msg100791)
They stick out WAY more than the GSG slider in this pic.
http://www.whaccessories.com/images/GSGSwingarmSliderGTR1400.jpg (http://www.whaccessories.com/images/GSGSwingarmSliderGTR1400.jpg)
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I've never claimed to be smart, I have $30k into a $10k bike... :nuts:
And love it! ;D
But I also have some Benji's in the pocket and a hot wife with big boobs that are real... ;D ;D
J/K... ;) (ok not really)
Which part J? :rotflmao:
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If you look at ZG's swingarm and axel sliders in these pics. (made by Top Block I believe)
They stick out WAY more than the GSG slider in this pic.
Correct you are. By 300 to 400%. And he is relying on that little plastic thing to save his mufflers, arm, and bags (instead of something larger and metal like the Canyons). It would be ground off in a few milliseconds, if the bike were moving at all when down.
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Are ya happy p07r0457? Look what you started. :rotflmao:
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/emoticons/threaddirection.gif) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/emoticons/threaddirection.gif.html)
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back on topic
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Which part J? :rotflmao:
Yes. ;D
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back on topic
http://www.cheese-burger.net/stories/sliders-mini-burgers.html (http://www.cheese-burger.net/stories/sliders-mini-burgers.html)
Enough of these and you have an enhanced traction package 8)
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Does that come with a racing stripe?
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Are ya happy p07r0457? Look what you started. :rotflmao:
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/emoticons/threaddirection.gif (http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/emoticons/threaddirection.gif)
:popcorn:
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;D :grouphug: :chugbeer:
Yep, I have the Top Block rear sliders on my 09 and they fit just fine, from what I heard the reason they say they won't work on the 08/09 is because of the Kawi stock potato launcher, but if yer running an aftermarket pipe (like you should be) then you'll be just fine. :)
Any idea if I could easy swap out a stock 08 exhaust slip on for a 2010+? I really want as quiet as possible and would like to run the TB swingarm sliders. Thanks ZG for ALL the past pics, helped me jump on the TopBlock kit even though WAY more than I really wanted to spend. I have the weekend to consider the wheel sliders. Only about $30 more than the other options I have seen for the front/rear set.
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Thanks ZG for ALL the past pics, helped me jump on the TopBlock kit even though WAY more than I really wanted to spend.
Don't thank him, he'll just spend more of your hard earned money if you do that! :rotflmao:
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Any idea if I could easy swap out a stock 08 exhaust slip on for a 2010+? I really want as quiet as possible and would like to run the TB swingarm sliders. Thanks ZG for ALL the past pics, helped me jump on the TopBlock kit even though WAY more than I really wanted to spend. I have the weekend to consider the wheel sliders. Only about $30 more than the other options I have seen for the front/rear set.
Congrats on going the Top Block route. :thumbs:
As for your pipe question, sorry I can't recommend any stock pipe and feel good about myself... :-\
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/nopotato.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/nopotato.jpg.html)
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As for your pipe question, sorry I can't recommend any stock pipe and feel good about myself... :-\
I wish there was a pipe that looked nice (not the huge cannon we get, stock) but that didn't sound ridiculous. I'd actually prefer to be quiet.
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I wish there was a pipe that looked nice (not the huge cannon we get, stock) but that didn't sound ridiculous. I'd actually prefer to be quiet.
If only...
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If only...
Honda seems to have done it with the ST1300...
(http://static.productreview.com.au/pr.products/79472_honda_st1300_abs.jpg)
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I wish there was a pipe that looked nice (not the huge cannon we get, stock) but that didn't sound ridiculous. I'd actually prefer to be quiet.
If only...
Sorry p07r0457, I was being a little sarcastic. I have an Area P carbon slip on and not only does it look nice, it sounds ridiculous (in a VERY good way). I don't know why everyone assumes these slip ons are so loud. The only time this muffler is loud is when I'm really getting on it. Other than that it's relatively tame.
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I don't know why everyone assumes these slip ons are so loud.
Because that is the main objective for MOST people (not necessarily on THIS board, though) and many, if not most, of the products tend to tailor to it. You know, because if it sounds loud, it is "impressive" and so therefore it performs so much better ::)
The crowd here seems more interested in the weight savings and better looks, thankfully.
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...and better performance.
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...and better performance.
Then they will be disappointed :)
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Then they will be disappointed :)
You mean if my bike sounds better it's not faster too? It feels faster... ;)
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....and looks faster.
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....and looks faster.
...and looks MUCH better.
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Honda seems to have done it with the ST1300...
(http://static.productreview.com.au/pr.products/79472_honda_st1300_abs.jpg)
Ok, then buy the bike. Take the pipe off and throw the bike away.. Kinda expensive for a can though... ::)
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Ok, then buy the bike. Take the pipe off and throw the bike away.. Kinda expensive for a can though... ::)
:o Extreme sarcasm? Or are people taking this too personal?
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:o Extreme sarcasm? Or are people taking this too personal?
Totally extreme sarcasm...but it could be personal. One never knows for sure here. ::) ;)