Kawasaki Concours Forum
Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: Awaz on June 29, 2013, 04:53:11 PM
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Did not think I was applying that much force....
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There are a few tires that are just plain hard to put on... no matter how long I leave them in the sun to warm up, or how much goopy stuff I use. I've had I few that I thought would turn out like that... that sucks!
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This is why I pay someone else to do it...
Did not think I was applying that much force....
Bullwinkle's hat gag (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7mmrF-4rUE#)
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This is why I pay someone else to do it...
^^^^^^
that
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I call BS. There's steel cords that would have to break. The only way a bead is gonna separate is if you cut it.
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I call BS. There's steel cords that would have to break. The only way a bead is gonna separate is if you cut it.
Not sure what you are referring to as BS. But why would I want to cut the bead on a tire that I just paid like $200 for? My motorcycle is now sitting on a lift with stuff laying all around for another week at least until I get a new tire. It honestly just ripped when I was trying to put that last bit of bead over the rim. I thought I broke the rim or something when I heard the pop. I called up Jake Wilson to see what they can do about this. They are suppose to get back to me on Monday - lets see if they give me a replacement tire. I honestly think something not right with that tire.
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I think you are right, something is not right.
I've pulled cars out of a ditch with tires and not broken
the bead.
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Shinko?
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Shinko?
yeah...that's what I get for being a cheap b'tard.
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yeah...that's what I get for being a cheap b'tard.
Ha :D
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I had a Shinko that they stopped making and had a tire recall that got mine replace because the treads were separating. I never went back to Shinko. I now have an Azarro that replaced it.
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Talked to Jake Wilson. According to them since it was a tear during mounting, warranty does not really cover it, but they were going to take care of it for me this time. I went ahead and had it replaced with a Dunlop Elite 3. Do not think it is a great tire either (not like Avon or Metzeler), but will have to do. I do not ride that thing much anyway - just needed something for the occasional putting around town. Although, I am running shinkos on my Kawi and so far they are holding up good. But next tire change, I am going with a better know brand.
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The Elite 3....wagon wheels at their best.
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Talked to Jake Wilson. According to them since it was a tear during mounting, warranty does not really cover it, but they were going to take care of it for me this time. I went ahead and had it replaced with a Dunlop Elite 3. Do not think it is a great tire either (not like Avon or Metzeler), but will have to do. I do not ride that thing much anyway - just needed something for the occasional putting around town. Although, I am running shinkos on my Kawi and so far they are holding up good. But next tire change, I am going with a better know brand.
Go with the Angels or the PR2's or the PR3's, that is the wise choice. Pay the price or buy it twice, heck maybe even 3 times.
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Just a note, Shinko bought out and took over Yokohama for motorcycle tires.
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Did not think I was applying that much force....
You ever change a tire bfore?
Just had to ask....cause you certainly didnnt have the opposite side sittin in the groove, and wayyyyyyyy manhandled the bead with a 24"bar.., or more... pop. Man 8-12" irons will work, more than that and c'ya bead....
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You ever change a tire bfore?
Just had to ask....cause you certainly didnnt have the opposite side sittin in the groove, and wayyyyyyyy manhandled the bead with a 24"bar.., or more... pop. Man 8-12" irons will work, more than that and c'ya bead....
I won't claim to be an aged veteran, but I have done 4 tire changes so far - two on my KZ250 and two on my C14. Not sure what you mean by 'did not have opposite side sitting in grove'. I did have the other side underneath the rim (where it should go) and had it pressed down with my knee while I was working on the other side. And I was not trying to work a big chunk at a time either - just a small bite at a time to get the bead over. When it snapped, I did pull a bit of the bead of the side I was working on to make sure I did not break or bend the rim - the sound scared me. About the bars, I will have to check - I am afraid they may be 24" spoons - smallest I can find in my local hardware store.
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I won't claim to be an aged veteran, but I have done 4 tire changes so far - two on my KZ250 and two on my C14. Not sure what you mean by 'did not have opposite side sitting in grove'. I did have the other side underneath the rim (where it should go) and had it pressed down with my knee while I was working on the other side.
The side of the tire opposite where you are levering should be pushed down into the center of the rim, not just under the rim where the bead sits once the tire is mounted and the bead seated. If you look at the rim's cross-section, you'll notice it kind of looks like this: └╖_╓┘ You need to make sure that the bead on the opposite side is down in that center section when you're levering.
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Sorry to doubt you. I've had to get very mean to beads before, and never had one snap. I've also seen people try and saw/cut through them, and it ain't easy. ;)
I've never allowed another person to work on my bike. Never will. I sweat and bust arse to mount my tires. I've torn the rubber away from the bead, but never had one not seal or work. Once again, sorry to call BS. I just can't imagine it.
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Finally got my replacement tire - Dunlop elite 3. It went in with lot less effort. I did make sure this time that the bead on the opposite side is pushed down far enough.
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Just a note, Shinko bought out and took over Yokohama for motorcycle tires.
Yokohama makes MC tires? I Yoke's on my RAV4. They make pretty good car tires or they used to.
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Yokohama makes MC tires? I Yoke's on my RAV4. They make pretty good car tires or they used to.
Well, they used to. Don't know if they were available here in the States, though.
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decided to install a set of PR3's I had sitting.... and tryed out my new tire change fixture..
it worked great, for a homemade farkle.
Big work though, thos damned PR3's are tough tires.... man.... I spent almost 8 hours messing around, they are super stiff, and keeping the bead down in the middle of the rim to avoid hitting the tps sensors was a chore, it took numerous cinch straps, wood blocks, a lot of WD40, and some serious cussing to get them on....
no beads were broken in the process.... ;)
I also wanna comment that some folks have said the PR3's barcode lable on the bead area is the ligh spot, and to allign it with the stem/tps.... well that is about as far from correct (in my opinion) as you could be... I located the label about 20 degrees off the stem, and on both tires that was the heavy spot.... after removing all the existing weights from numerous tire changes, I ended up with a 20gm & a 30gm snapon weight opposite side to get close, and then another 1/4 oz stikon about 30 degrees away, in order to balance my front.... not as bad on the rear, but I did have to relocate a 30gm snapon, and use (3) 1/4 oz stickons about 30 degrees off....had it not been so late, I would have broken the tires back down and rotated them, but I hate breaking down freshly mounted tires, I think you can easily damage them doing so, and won't chance it... next go round I'll definatly put those labels opposite side. :'( :'(
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I know a lot of guys who run shinkos on a lot of different bikes. I run them on my Versys and my Mean Streak. Raven 009s on both. I've had good results.
I went with the PR3s on the Connie because folks rave about them. For me they were no better or worse than the OEMs, but since the Connie is my goto rain bike I decided to give them a try. I had to get a rear tire on the road so now have a Continental Contimotion on the rear. Runs fine and handles the curves at 30 MPH over recommended yellow turn speed sign with no issues whatsoever.