Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: FIX UR CRITTER on June 20, 2013, 05:44:10 AM
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Howdy all
I just bought another 2008 c-14 ( i had a 2008 previously)
would have liked a newer model, but decided to keep my other bikes instead - and I could not walk away from the low price.
I have owned more than 25 bikes and the C14 is in the top 2 for sure.
While searching for my new (used) 14, it seemed that there were tons of 08's-11's, i was surprised at how many just in my local area alone. I usually have to travel to find a new bike - not this one. Why do you think so many people are parting ways with such a great bike with low miles etc...
I understand there are a couple of things about the 08-09's that bother people- but i thought those issues were addressed by Kawasaki pretty quickly ( heat, mirrors, shield).. with the 10's +
opinions appreciated
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:popcorn: I bought mine in Aug of 2007 and I love it. If something happened to it I would buy a 10+ model for the OEM upgrades.
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Maybe they couldn't get the critter fixed to their liking.
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Big sport tourers are a niche market. I would guess some folks get one to try it out and realize they prefer a lighter sportier bike or something?
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That's a good point, Gary, as most of us have spend considerable money on farkelization (if that's what you are talking about). If you like the basic bike then it's up to you to make it your own. But in buying a used bike you get more bang for the buck as most sell with the farkles installed. I would probably go used in buying another one.
Another point would be the **** poor dealer network that runs the gamut from stellar to :censored: .
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Seat and windshield are easy changes on any bike. If I wasn't able to get the handlebars to my liking I might not have kept the connie.
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Maybe they couldn't get the critter fixed to their liking.
That's why I sold mine. After 5 different seats, different windshields and bar raisers I still couldn't get comfortable on it.
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Outstanding first post. :thumbs: :popcorn:
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:rotflmao:
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Stupid people do STUPID things :stirpot:
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While searching for my new (used) 14, it seemed that there were tons of 08's-11's, i was surprised at how many just in my local area alone. I usually have to travel to find a new bike - not this one. Why do you think so many people are parting ways with such a great bike with low miles etc...
I agree with wipfel. I think the primary reason is that it is the C14 is a sports touring bike which is a niche market and many people are fickle.
* It is an expensive bike- I think some get over their head and sell it to get rid of the payment.
* Some people buy the C14 later in life to renew the good ol' days and end up not riding much and end up selling it. Some might even lose their nerve and parting with all bikes. Others get "hurt" and can no longer ride (like back problems or arm/hand/knee/neck issues or dizziness or whatever).
* Some people buy it for touring and end up wanting something even bigger- like the K16 or a Goldwing and sell it.
* Some people buy it for less-than-touring and end up wanting something smaller/lighter.
There are lots of possible reasons. I think it is rarely about the bike itself not performing well or being comfortable. It is certainly not due to lack of reliability. And it is probably not because they could get a better deal on some other sports tourer- it is hard or impossible to beat the C14 on value.
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Some people buy it for touring and end up wanting something even bigger-
Yeah Max bigger like a Conversion Van
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I bet if you were looking for another type of bike, you would say the same thing. It's just now you are paying attention to the C-14 sales.
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It's not a cool bike but a purpose built bike for sporty long distance rides. People like the idea of it but don't use it the way they thought they would.
Me, I've had cool, 3 busas, zx12, zx11, zx10, gscr750 yadda. But I don't go 160 anymore while scraping pegs and done the 200 (ok almost at GPS 195) thing. Drag raced... But I'm passed that stage and the c14 is plenty fast thru 3rd gear before she falls flat at 120ish.
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It's not a cool bike but a purpose built bike for sporty long distance rides. People like the idea of it but don't use it the way they thought they would.
Me, I've had cool, 3 busas, zx12, zx11, zx10, gscr750 yadda. But I don't go 160 anymore while scraping pegs and done the 200 (ok almost at GPS 195) thing. Drag raced... But I'm passed that stage and the c14 is plenty fast thru 3rd gear before she falls flat at 120ish.
Our respective definitions of 'falls flat' must differ somewhat.
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It's not a cool bike but a purpose built bike for sporty long distance rides. People like the idea of it but don't use it the way they thought they would.
Me, I've had cool, 3 busas, zx12, zx11, zx10, gscr750 yadda. But I don't go 160 anymore while scraping pegs and done the 200 (ok almost at GPS 195) thing. Drag raced... But I'm passed that stage and the c14 is plenty fast thru 3rd gear before she falls flat at 120ish.
Huh? :nuts:
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Ditto.
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I looked for a couple of months for a used one, and nothing came up locally, so I bought a new one.
Of course, shortly after I bought a new one, the used ones for sale came out of the woodwork.
Oh well, if we all only bought things used, there'd be fewer jobs and we'd have as much new stuff as Cuba... that's my excuse!
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Connie is a big bike, a bit top heavy, and needing a firm hand. The heat is an issue on a 90+ degree day. In stock version, the ergos are a challenge, and the tires stink. Many folks never get past the first impression to find the real gem that dwells within. A lot of theses bikes have low miles, so the OO never really gets past that first impression. To each their own, but I do understand why a lot of folks don't keep them very long.
Let's face it. This bike is not for everyone. If you have a Gold Wing (barcolounger) mentality, the C14 will feel spartan. If you are looking for a sport bike, it will feel pretty bulky. If you are a cruiser, your knees will scream. If you are used to a smaller bike, the C14 will feel like a whale. Despite it being the lowest cost bike in it's class, it is still a pretty big investment. Buyer remorse can hit pretty quickly when the weather turns foul and the payments still have to get paid. There is usually a gap between the advertised bike and the real thing.
I bought my '08 used with only 2500 miles on it for a pretty reasonable price, so remorse has never set in (well bought is twice the fun). At first I really wondered if this was going to work out. After some research (much thanks to the folks here!), with sufficient farkelization, better brakes, and real tires (PR3s), it works pretty well. After 22K miles I have to admit that I like it, and look forward to every ride. Now, if we could just figure out how to get rid of KIPASS ... ;D
Ride safe ... 8)
Dave
'08 C14
'09 KLR 650
'03 Triumph Speedmaster
'91 Honda NH 750
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It's not a cool bike but a purpose built bike for sporty long distance rides.
Our respective definitions of 'cool bike' must differ somewhat. :)
I personally think the C14 is "cool"!
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The heat is an issue on a 90+ degree day.
That is more a 1st gen issue. All C14's can be hot on a hot day, but so is any fully faired bike with large windshield.
In stock version, the ergos are a challenge, and the tires stink
And you just described every bike I have purchased (granted, all three have been Kawasakis)
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My 2012 (bought very late last fall--dealer made a good deal) has just turned 6108 miles. Like many have indicated the bike brake in will take 5-10K. As new this bike had to be the stiffest bike I have ever bought. And until I did a two day ride of 900 miles two weeks ago with the suspension preloads set real low I thought the bike would just beat me up until I got fed up and sold it. Well as indicated the bike seems to be loosening up. I thought it may be me and I was getting used to it except I now am easily flat footing the bike at stops. I think the real culprit is the rear spring. I wonder how many riders sell before the bike brakes in?
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First, if any C14 falls flat at 120mph, you need a tuneup pronto.
Second, I rode a buddy's C14 when he got it (2008 model) and hated it. He had cupped tires and his stem bearings were loose. The bike felt horrible. I thought it was a POS.
Ended up getting a 2008 myself, but my buddy had to tell me over and over how good the bike really was, and the feel I got was the tires and stem bearing adjustment. I was skeptical.
Then I think some guys just aren't comfy with a heavy bike. And the C14 is heavey, and I noticed that a LOT when I first got it. I don't notice it now, even at low speeds. But I have a lot of time on the bike.
Barry
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So far, I havn't kept a bike longer than 4 years. A lot of guys don't keep a bike longer than 2 years, and some trade every riding season. If you can only own one at a time and want to try many bikes you have to continually trade. If you are a bargain hunter you can do it economically.
I think I have settled in on a pretty good stable of bikes for the riding I currently do, but if my distance riding dropped off I would probably sell the Connie.
Personally, I like the forward lean of the stock connie, and prefer the '08 windshield over the '12 windshield. Especially when it gets warm out. The only time I raise the shield is when it is raining and I get the air to blow the rain off the faceshield without having to turn my head.
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Lots of excellent opinions.....
regarding; "i just noticed it because that is what I was looking for" is incorrect. I was actually looking for 3-4 possible models in addition to the c-14... there were more c-14's than anything but HD's
I had/have a Bandit 1250 that i was trying to make into a do it all bike - while it is a GREAT bike - it is a compromise..
I ended up with the connie for speed and comfort and an sv650 for track.. probably keep the bandit because I love her too much to let another a** on her.. ;)
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Most commonly it is the "latest, biggest, fastest" obsession.
Now that the bike is 6 years old it's nowhere near the latest (Trophy), nor the biggest (K1600), nor the fastest (I mean unmodified, before the turbo/PCV brigade get snitty with me ;D).
I have never understood people who seem to change their bikes more often than their underwear.
I guess they have money to burn so I just hope it makes them happy.
I've ridden the K1600GT and have sat on the Trophy and neither of them are for me.
In fact, after 6 years I am just starting to get the C14 just how I like it.
Here's hoping it will be a long enjoyable relationship.
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We don't get snitty. Snarky maybe but not snitty.
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I think the Connie is good. I suspect some riders buy it and after a while find it hard to live with. Look at the cda thread. It's big, tall and heavy and there is a booming business in tip over protection. I suspect some shorter riders find the Connie too tall and hard to handle. The KiPass and ignition lock is another reason some may unload the Connie. While nothing may have happened to them, all the postings and problems may encourage some to unload the Connie before facing being stranded or facing an expensive repair. Finally, for some the linked brakes on the gen 2 gather a lot of complaints.
If you don't love it, these may be enough reason to want to move on to another sporttourer.
BTW, I don't think the # of used Connies on craigslist is exceptionally high. They come and go. Some weeks there are plenty locally, come weeks not so much.
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Recession?
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My guess is the owners don't like the Kawasaki version of linked brakes.
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The linked brakes is one of the things that kept me away from the newer models.. though the traction control and heat fix was definetly tempting...
now i'm a little paronoid about getting stranded with the kipass... will need to do some research on that one.
Prevent a litter, Fix UR Critter
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- the bike is very intimidating , esp for new riders and returning riders.
- would imagine that many bit off more than they could chew when they belatedly realised that this is not a light , low seat height , runabout.
- with the weight , it also takes a determined and committed rider to learn how to get the best out of her. Not many new/returning riders are bothered to learn and acquire the skillset.
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I LOVE the Brakes :deadhorse:
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Howdy all
I just bought another 2008 c-14 ( i had a 2008 previously)
would have liked a newer model, but decided to keep my other bikes instead - and I could not walk away from the low price.
I have owned more than 25 bikes and the C14 is in the top 2 for sure.
While searching for my new (used) 14, it seemed that there were tons of 08's-11's, i was surprised at how many just in my local area alone. I usually have to travel to find a new bike - not this one. Why do you think so many people are parting ways with such a great bike with low miles etc...
I understand there are a couple of things about the 08-09's that bother people- but i thought those issues were addressed by Kawasaki pretty quickly ( heat, mirrors, shield).. with the 10's +
opinions appreciated
Recession?
I agree with just about all of the reasons given but I think that blue14 offered the most obvious reply. However, I disagree with the word "recession" as the economy has been in the tank for so long that I am inclined to use the word "depression" instead.
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Most commonly it is the "latest, biggest, fastest" obsession.
Now that the bike is 6 years old it's nowhere near the latest (Trophy), nor the biggest (K1600), nor the fastest (I mean unmodified, before the turbo/PCV brigade get snitty with me ;D ).
I have never understood people who seem to change their bikes more often than their underwear.
I guess they have money to burn so I just hope it makes them happy.
I've ridden the K1600GT and have sat on the Trophy and neither of them are for me.
In fact, after 6 years I am just starting to get the C14 just how I like it.
Here's hoping it will be a long enjoyable relationship.
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I have never understood people who seem to change their bikes more often than their underwear.
Unless you have tried many different bikes you wouldn't understand. Every bike is different and there is no one perfect bike. Trying different bikes is fun.
I also like to vacation in different places and ride different roads. I want to visit as many states as I can.
I don't understand people who go to the same place for vacation every year, ride the same roads, and keep the same things for a long time. The only thing I am attached to is my wife. Anything else can come and go and I am always looking to try new things.
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:popcorn: I bought mine in Aug of 2007 and I love it. If something happened to it I would buy a 10+ model for the OEM upgrades.
I was at the end of July, and have never once looked back!
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My guess is the owners don't like the Kawasaki version of linked brakes.
While I don't doubt it is a factor for some people, I suspect a very, very large majority out there don't care or don't care enough that it would be a big deal.
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- the bike is very intimidating , esp for new riders and returning riders.
Oooh- that is a good one I should have had on my list. Of course, a new rider most certainly should not be on a C14... huge mistake.
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If you pulled up and there was a busa, Ducati, modded hog and bmw adventure bike with you on our concours, my guess is the c14 would get less interest than the rest. Nobody looks at a c14 and says I want that because its cool. They buy it As a compromise. What's wrong with that? I liked it so much for what I need that I bought a second one. But not because its cool but because it fits MY needs the best. Most don't use it for its intended design so they part ways with it.
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If you pulled up and there was a busa, Ducati, modded hog and bmw adventure bike with you on our concours, my guess is the c14 would get less interest than the rest. Nobody looks at a c14 and says I want that because its cool. They buy it As a compromise. What's wrong with that? I liked it so much for what I need that I bought a second one. But not because its cool but because it fits MY needs the best. Most don't use it for its intended design so they part ways with it.
I don't see it as compromise. It's what I looked for in a motorcyle. I rode the airhead BMW's for many years til the new models left me by being overly complex and over priced. Still have the beemers. Haven't ridden them since I bought the connie.
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If you pulled up and there was a busa, Ducati, modded hog and bmw adventure bike with you on our concours, my guess is the c14 would get less interest than the rest. Nobody looks at a c14 and says I want that because its cool. They buy it As a compromise. What's wrong with that? I liked it so much for what I need that I bought a second one. But not because its cool but because it fits MY needs the best. Most don't use it for its intended design so they part ways with it.
All sport /touring bikes are compromises. They are neither sport bikes nor touring bikes, but try to do both. I certainly didn't buy a C-14 because it was less expensive than other bikes. A few friends had them and highly recommended them, the MC press kept giving it awards, I didn't like the FJR, a Wing is tooooo big, there is no BMW dealer in Tallahassee, I thought of a Multi Strada, but wanted shaft drive when I'm on the road.
I vote for those who said that the buyers had dreams of the open road, took a few short trips, their desire was satisfied and now it's time to move on.
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All sport /touring bikes are compromises. They are neither sport bikes nor touring bikes, but try to do both. I certainly didn't buy a C-14 because it was less expensive than other bikes. A few friends had them and highly recommended them, the MC press kept giving it awards, I didn't like the FJR, a Wing is tooooo big, there is no BMW dealer in Tallahassee, I thought of a Multi Strada, but wanted shaft drive when I'm on the road.
I vote for those who said that the buyers had dreams of the open road, took a few short trips, their desire was satisfied and now it's time to move on.
Agreed.
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It's big, tall and heavy and there is a booming business in tip over protection. I suspect some shorter riders find the Connie too tall and hard to handle.
I agree with this sentiment. I'm a skinny little runt (I like to think my muscle mass all went to my brain), and if it weren't for the fact that I have been riding since I was 9 (36 years), it would probably be a very intimidating bike to ride. The steep steering rake on a super heavy bike means that if you grab a handful of front brake at parking lot speeds (especially with a passenger), you could get into trouble--let alone on gravel or uneven surfaces. For me, the benefits of a sport touring bike outweigh that. Also, I think peer pressure might have something to do with people trading in for something else (if indeed that is really happening). You show up for a ride with some acquaintances and everyone is on a cruiser, you do get the cold shoulder with some people.
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I agree with this sentiment. I'm a skinny little runt (I like to think my muscle mass all went to my brain), and if it weren't for the fact that I have been riding since I was 9 (36 years), it would probably be a very intimidating bike to ride. The steep steering rake on a super heavy bike means that if you grab a handful of front brake at parking lot speeds (especially with a passenger), you could get into trouble--let alone on gravel or uneven surfaces. For me, the benefits of a sport touring bike outweigh that.
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I am a nothingness of 150lbs with a very short inseam and the C14 is a tremendous challenge. I have to be extra super careful at slow speeds since there is no way to "man handle" the bike at all (unlike my previous ones). But I wanted this type of bike (powerful, modern, sporty, storage, featureful, reliable, etc), it is just unfortunate it couldn't be lower and lighter. I modded the best I could and had a lot of resolve, but many in the same situation would have given up. That I have let it fall only once is amazing, and probably just a function of it not being ridden as much as I rode my previous bikes and that I am painfully careful. It still might not be the best choice in my situation, but it is what I have now.
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All bikes are compromises.
Fixed it for you, sport bikes, cruisers, touring etc. all have compromises.
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Fixed it for you, sport bikes, cruisers, touring etc. all have compromises.
+1 !!! :)
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Well I guess I should respond to this since my '09 is for sale. There are two main reasons I am selling. First, I have changed every ergonomic aspect that can be changed and still cannot get comfortable. Seats, bars, risers, shields you name it I have tried it. All of these changes were made during 16,000 miles of riding so I did give them a chance. My neck, shoulders, back, knees, and tingling hands are telling me it's time to let someone else have it.
Second, when I bought my bike back in '09 I was doing multiple long trips a year with other riding buddies. I bought the bike for all the things it offers for touring- storage, electric shield, shaft-drive, etc. Now due to friends loosing interest, the economy, and other various reasons my riding has dwindled down to commuting to work.
The Connie is a great bike but all I need is a commuter that gets me to work and back and can handle an occasional road trip. With that said if you guys know anyone looking for a connie in excellent shape send them my way. It's in the "for sale" section here and also on Craigslist.
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I am a nothingness of 150lbs with a very short inseam and the C14 is a tremendous challenge. I have to be extra super careful at slow speeds since there is no way to "man handle" the bike at all (unlike my previous ones). But I wanted this type of bike (powerful, modern, sporty, storage, featureful, reliable, etc), it is just unfortunate it couldn't be lower and lighter. I modded the best I could and had a lot of resolve, but many in the same situation would have given up. That I have let it fall only once is amazing, and probably just a function of it not being ridden as much as I rode my previous bikes and that I am painfully careful. It still might not be the best choice in my situation, but it is what I have now.
If I were your size I would have stuck with my 1/2 concours I built out of a Ninja 650. The power was everything i needed and I created a nice sport touring bike out of it. But, alas it was physically too small for me. Even with lowering blocks on the foot pegs, and 5 different handlebar configurations I would not go all day on it. The Concours is overkill for me, but I wanted the size of the bike. Of course I only ride in eco mode and only rev it once in a while on a lonely road.
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb188/twowheeladdict/Ninja%20650/DSCN2294a.jpg)(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb188/twowheeladdict/Ninja%20650/DSCN2280a.jpg)
Set up for full touring.
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If I were your size I would have stuck with my 1/2 concours I built out of a Ninja 650. The power was everything i needed and I created a nice sport touring bike out of it. But, alas it was physically too small for me. Even with lowering blocks on the foot pegs, and 5 different handlebar configurations I would not go all day on it.
But without at least an adjustable windshield and shaft drive, it just would not be what I was looking for. Not to mention temp and tire sensors, extra instrumentation, hydraulic slipper clutch, etc. And I can't deal with full "sport" seating/pegs/bars.
Much closer was my ZRX- but with carbs and chains and no fairings, it had to go. Thank god carbs are dead, and I doubt I will ever own another chained bike. "Chain" rhymes with "pain". :)
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I have to be extra super careful at slow speeds since there is no way to "man handle" the bike at all (unlike my previous ones)
100 % agree. This machine is big , tall , heavy at the top and heavy everywhere else too , and wide as well. And that weight needs a committed rider to exploit its potential. For the average rider , perhaps its too much of a bother to learn such a machine , better just to sell it and get something else.
- eg , the first time I straddled a Multistrada , was amazed at how light and narrow the machine was. Compared to the C14 , geez ....
- and compared to harleys , they may weigh as much or more than the C14 , but their weight is down low , combined with a low seat height , the bike becomes much more manageable.
- that said , on the upside : if you can ride a C14 well , you can probably ride anything out there without breaking a sweat ...
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No unusually large glut of c14's on the market around here, that I've noticed. What there is seems to command about NADA average retail value.
I find my '09 to be a rewarding experience, now that we've been a half-dozen long trips into the relationship. The stock seat and winshield have served me well, and 8-10 hour days are not a hardship.
The handlebars could have a wee bit less grip angle for me, but have not felt the need to make any changes there.
Biggest challenge initially was to get the suspension slacked off enough for proper sag and rebound control, to keep from getting a pounding over rough city streets.
Any bike or type of riding takes a level of dedication, and guys fall out for any number of reasons, most personal I'd suspect.
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Who knows why people do the things they do?
I am sure there are multitudes of reasons, as seen by some of the replies to your question. I would bet a good percentage move on to newer or other sport tourers that carve out carve out a different niche. Maybe some find themselves going two up more often, and want a ST with more passenger comfort, etc.
I will probably sell my c14 or add another bike soon. I want something with more comfort and better touring ability. I can do long days on my C14, but it takes a more physical/mental toll on me than say for example my K16 or R12RT did.
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That's why I sold mine. After 5 different seats, different windshields and bar raisers I still couldn't get comfortable on it.
:popcorn: I bought mine in Aug of 2007 and I love it. If something happened to it I would buy a 10+ model for the OEM upgrades.
I bought the first one in Virginia, July 7, 2007, if it got totaled today, I'd buy another 08 in a heartbeat. No linked brakes, traction (restriction) control, heated anything probe warmers...etc.
When the bike was introduced, and I was COG Tech Editor, there was nothing known about the bike, and I delved into it to supply info, trouble was, they were practically bulletproof... it took 2 years to accumulate "problem/answer" data for folks.
At That Time, I wrote my feelings on the greatest problem with the C14, which was people buying it because they wanted the "cool" bike, and gave absolutly no regard the bike physically did NOT fit thier body, they began trying to make it fit, but guess what, they couldn't... and then it was for sale.
if you sit on a bike, or test ride it, and have to immediatly start thinking about what you HAVE TO change to be comfortable on it....DON'T BUY THE BIKE... you will probably never get it the way YOU want it... plain and simple, either it fits or it doesn't.... ::)
Mine fit me fine.
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So does mine.......after all my mods.
The problem with just sitting on it is that it doesn't give you how it's going to ride. Most dealers don't allow test rides as such so it's damnibly difficult to find out that it won't fit you until after it's bought. With that being said, I fell in love with mine at first sight and don't regret it at all....even with all the mods.
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if you sit on a bike, or test ride it, and have to immediatly start thinking about what you HAVE TO change to be comfortable on it....DON'T BUY THE BIKE... you will probably never get it the way YOU want it... plain and simple, either it fits or it doesn't.... ::)
Unfortunately, this implies there is something else that fits better that also meets all the other criteria the customer wants. Sure, you can start dropping things of your list, but at some point (like what happened with me) there were just no other choices left that were any better.
All bikes are a compromise. Usually the purchase decision is too. And if you can make some mods to make it fit better, that is a great thing. What would be BETTER would be for manufacturers to realize that a lot of their potential customers are not 5'11" with a 35 inseam, 200 pounds, and long arms, and build more adjustability into their models.
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I have to hand it to you Max , If I was your size I would not be a owner of this bike
You GOT to LOVE IT
I'm 5' 11" 200 lb.in shape and I won't ride it with out boots on.
She is a BIG girl.
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I have to hand it to you Max , If I was your size I would not be a owner of this bike
You GOT to LOVE IT
I do like it.... most of the time.
I'm 5' 11" 200 lb.in shape and I won't ride it with out boots on.
I'm 5'7", ~27" inseam, ~150 lb (not in shape, unfortunately... but on a diet and working on it now), and would never ride without my "platform" (somewhat raised) boots.
She is a BIG girl.
Yep, even when lowered and a lower seat, handlebar risers and wedges. The mass is still there. I am a glutton for punishment.... "Hurt me baby"
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Unfortunately, this implies there is something else that fits better that also meets all the other criteria the customer wants. Sure, you can start dropping things of your list, but at some point (like what happened with me) there were just no other choices left that were any better.
All bikes are a compromise. Usually the purchase decision is too. And if you can make some mods to make it fit better, that is a great thing. What would be BETTER would be for manufacturers to realize that a lot of their potential customers are not 5'11" with a 35 inseam, 200 pounds, and long arms, and build more adjustability into their models.
I took a serious look at the Triumph Tiger Explorer. I like everything about it except the triumph luggage. Then I sat on a Super Tenere and knew right away that the Tenere fit me better. So, when I am done with the Versys, the Tenere will most likely replace it. Unless some new model comes out by then that has me taking notice.
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Our respective definitions of 'cool bike' must differ somewhat. :)
I personally think the C14 is "cool"!
I agree Max.
The look of the C-14 was what initially got my attention. I think it is a cool looking bike too.
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I bought mine used with 2000 miles, and almost sold it immediately again because the handling was so spooky and dangerous in low speed corners and parking situations. After reading about the crappy 021 Bridgestones, I decided to trash the tires and get some PR3 Michelins- it transformed the bike into what I call my favorite ride of all time, and 2 of my riding buddies who have ridden it have bought C-14's when they bought new bikes. They both told the dealer to change to PR3's at delivery. Someone should have a long talk with Kawasaki about tires- something so simple is probably hurting sales.
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I bought mine used with 2000 miles, and almost sold it immediately again because the handling was so spooky and dangerous in low speed corners and parking situations. After reading about the crappy 021 Bridgestones, I decided to trash the tires and get some PR3 Michelins- it transformed the bike into what I call my favorite ride of all time, and 2 of my riding buddies who have ridden it have bought C-14's when they bought new bikes. They both told the dealer to change to PR3's at delivery. Someone should have a long talk with Kawasaki about tires- something so simple is probably hurting sales.
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- a set of Pirelli Angel STs ( in stock size ) completely transformed my C14 from a heavy poorly handling bike to a heavy good handling bike.
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I'm thinking of ditching mine..
I tried just about everything to make it more tall guy friendly, I'm just not as comfy as I thought I would be is one reason..I'm only good for a couple a hours then the knees start hurting (really not the bikes fault), I only got a couple hours out of the ZX14 before the same thing..
I'm not overly impressed with the power either, coming off an uncorked ZX14 I find myself wanting more power at times.. ::)
Maybe my expectations were too high who knows.. :(
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I bought mine used with 2000 miles, and almost sold it immediately again because the handling was so spooky and dangerous in low speed corners and parking situations. After reading about the crappy 021 Bridgestones, I decided to trash the tires and get some PR3 Michelins- it transformed the bike into what I call my favorite ride of all time, and 2 of my riding buddies who have ridden it have bought C-14's when they bought new bikes. They both told the dealer to change to PR3's at delivery. Someone should have a long talk with Kawasaki about tires- something so simple is probably hurting sales.
I bought mine used with 3000 miles and I immediately noticed the poor handling, but at first just thought it was me not being used to it. Luckily I found this site shortly after and learned about PR3s and it was night and day difference. I wonder how many more sales would occur, or resales be prevented if Kawi put a better front tire on them.
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You know, I never had a problem with the BTs.....DT's yes, but never the BT's. In fact I thought them marvelous compared to the D205s I was running on the C10.
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I tried just about everything to make it more tall guy friendly, I'm just not as comfy as I thought I would be is one reason..I'm only good for a couple a hours then the knees start hurting (really not the bikes fault), I only got a couple hours out of the ZX14 before the same thing..
I am not sure any bike is going to help all that much- maybe a dual sport? It is not like the Concours is short. You might want to add some highway pegs or the nice in-between Ronnie's http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6630.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6630.0) You can also install a taller seat. Believe me, dealing with it being too "low" is a hell of a lot easier than dealing with it being too high.
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13192 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13192)
I'm not overly impressed with the power either, coming off an uncorked ZX14 I find myself wanting more power at times.. ::)
That is easier- Ghul flash
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I'm thinking of ditching mine..
I tried just about everything to make it more tall guy friendly, I'm just not as comfy as I thought I would be is one reason..I'm only good for a couple a hours then the knees start hurting (really not the bikes fault), I only got a couple hours out of the ZX14 before the same thing..
I'm not overly impressed with the power either, coming off an uncorked ZX14 I find myself wanting more power at times.. ::)
Maybe my expectations were too high who knows.. :(
Put on ZX headers with out cats , duals and a Guhl flash down shift to a lower gear raceman ;)
Worked for me ,
Ever ride a V Rod , might work for you , I did not like my feet forward , might work for pain?
Even less power , always something?
You know, I never had a problem with the BTs.....DT's yes, but never the BT's. In fact I thought them marvelous compared to the D205s I was running on the C10.
I put over 7,000 miles on those stock tires, the front cupped badly wore out on the sides , lots of rubber in the center, never a problem, except on wet roads :stirpot:
When I put on the P3s on I thought the bike was stiff , It did not want to lean over as easy, I like to lean a bike way over , I like to play, swerve the bike left to right very fast , good training ;)
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Only move I'd make would be to one of the big adventure-tour type bikes. Guzzi Stelvio, Super Tenere, Triumph Explorer, etc.
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I am not sure any bike is going to help all that much- maybe a dual sport? It is not like the Concours is short. You might want to add some highway pegs or the nice in-between Ronnie's http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6630.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6630.0) You can also install a taller seat. Believe me, dealing with it being too "low" is a hell of a lot easier than dealing with it being too high.
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13192 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13192)
That is easier- Ghul flash
So far I've lowered the pegs, added Heli Bar risers, taller wind screen, and had Baldwin Saddle rework the seat....Its better but still not an all day rider for me..
Looking at the BMW R1200GSW as a possible next bike but the C14 and KTM must both go for that to happen..Also have not ruled out another ZX14 I figure if I can't be comfy I might as well be fast again.. :)
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So far I've lowered the pegs, added Heli Bar risers, taller wind screen, and had Baldwin Saddle rework the seat....Its better but still not an all day rider for me..
Looking at the BMW R1200GSW as a possible next bike but the C14 and KTM must both go for that to happen..Also have not ruled out another ZX14 I figure if I can't be comfy I might as well be fast again.. :)
I am in a similar position with my C14. I have done a lot to the bike, yet it still isn't something I would want to do a 1,000 mile day on.
Funny thing about speed. On long rides with my R12RT I would put a ton of distance on guys riding much faster bikes. Comfort, range, better wind protection and cruise all combined to put a big beat down much faster bikes. The K16 was the best of both worlds.
The TOURING component in a sport touring machine cannot be dismissed. I have a couple more avenues to try to make my C14 a better long distance bike before I bail on it.
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So far I've lowered the pegs, added Heli Bar risers, taller wind screen, and had Baldwin Saddle rework the seat....Its better but still not an all day rider for me..
OK, looks like you did all the right things, except adding the highway pegs.
Looking at the BMW R1200GSW as a possible next bike but the C14 and KTM must both go for that to happen..Also have not ruled out another ZX14 I figure if I can't be comfy I might as well be fast again.. :)
If you look at specs like seat height, ground clearance, peg position, etc, you theoretically should be no better off with either of those....
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OK, looks like you did all the right things, except adding the highway pegs.
If you look at specs like seat height, ground clearance, peg position, etc, you theoretically should be no better off with either of those....
Highway pegs mounted on Canyon Cages were on the list but I'm up in the air on how much more money I want to spend on this thing....I'm in this far so why stop now right ?!? ;D
I have not dug into the specs on the BMW yet but I will test ride one before pulling the trigger which is something I didn't do with the C14 I just went ahead and ordered one.. :-\
Thanks for the input..
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So far I've lowered the pegs, added Heli Bar risers, taller wind screen, and had Baldwin Saddle rework the seat....Its better but still not an all day rider for me..
Looking at the BMW R1200GSW as a possible next bike but the C14 and KTM must both go for that to happen..Also have not ruled out another ZX14 I figure if I can't be comfy I might as well be fast again.. :)
I'm not sure of your stature, but I'm 6'2 with 34" inseam and I thought I wanted risers, but they turned out making the bike less comfortable for me. My only issue is my behind gets sore after more than an hour straight in the saddle, but between a sergeant seat to keep me from sliding forward and a beaded seat cover to releave some of the pressure points, its not too bad. I also just ordered canyon cages so I can put highway pegs on, but that's just because I plan on doing some 400+ mile days on a trip in August.
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I'm not sure of your stature, but I'm 6'2 with 34" inseam and I thought I wanted risers, but they turned out making the bike less comfortable for me. My only issue is my behind gets sore after more than an hour straight in the saddle, but between a sergeant seat to keep me from sliding forward and a beaded seat cover to releave some of the pressure points, its not too bad. I also just ordered canyon cages so I can put highway pegs on, but that's just because I plan on doing some 400+ mile days on a trip in August.
I'm checking in at 6'8 with a 38" inseam.. :o
I might as well and go ahead and try the Canyon Cages and highway pegs, like I posted above I'm in this far so why stop now !
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Big Mike, this might help your search for something that fits.
http://cycle-ergo.com/ (http://cycle-ergo.com/)
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I'm checking in at 6'8 with a 38" inseam.. :o
I might as well and go ahead and try the Canyon Cages and highway pegs, like I posted above I'm in this far so why stop now !
And I thought I had issues finding tall enough bikes! Definitely check out Cycle-ergo like gPink recommended. You may want to sit on your bike, put your feet up and have someone take a picture to see if canyon cages / pegs would even work for you or if they'd be too short before buying.
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And I thought I had issues finding tall enough bikes! Definitely check out Cycle-ergo like gPink recommended. You may want to sit on your bike, put your feet up and have someone take a picture to see if canyon cages / pegs would even work for you or if they'd be too short before buying.
will do, Thanks for the help.. :)
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Big Mike, this might help your search for something that fits.
http://cycle-ergo.com/ (http://cycle-ergo.com/)
Thank you sir.. 8)
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Only move I'd make would be to one of the big adventure-tour type bikes. Guzzi Stelvio, Super Tenere, Triumph Explorer, etc.
That's where I am at as well. Seriously looking at a 3000 mile ride in the near future on the Concours. Will average 350 miles a day on two lanes for many days in a row. That will tell me if it is a keeper or not.
I'm thinking Super Tenere, Explorer, GS1200 Adventure, Multistrada (love everything but the chain drive). Maybe the Versys 1000 if it comes to the states and the Vstrom 1000 when the new design hits the streets.
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This is a really weird thread to me. I look at the craigslist motorcycles for sale section every day here in Pittsburgh and I rarely see a Concours for sale. Currently there are two, a 2004 and a 2009, so for the purpose of this discussion, only one, a 2009.
We should start a thread titled, "Why do you think there are so many used Harleys for sale?" That seems to be the majority of bikes for sale around here. I see more Concourses on the road than in the want ads, not saying it is there same everywhere, just here. I personally believe it means nothing if they are for sale or not, they just are, or aren't.
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I wanted to buy a used 2010 nicely farkled and searched on Searchtempest within 400 miles of my home, no luck. Bought a 2012 because it was a heck of a deal.
I averaged 550+ miles a day for 11.5 days on my C10 on a trip last year. I don't have a trip like that on the agenda this year, so it's hard to say if I could do it.
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I'm checking in at 6'8 with a 38" inseam.. :o
Holy mother... you are like 13 inches taller than me :) You are super-tall!
I might as well and go ahead and try the Canyon Cages and highway pegs, like I posted above I'm in this far so why stop now !
You don't have to add Canyon Cages to get highway pegs. I posted a link earlier which you will now research..... I have highway pegs NOT mounted to the cages- I think they look pretty bad on the cages, but function can be more important than form.
However, the cages are a VERY good idea.
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Seriously looking at a 3000 mile ride in the near future on the Concours. Will average 350 miles a day on two lanes for many days in a row. That will tell me if it is a keeper or not.
350 mile days? That would tell me nothing other that I could go on a short day ride.
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350 mile days? That would tell me nothing other that I could go on a short day ride.
Could be worse- I can barely manage 200 miles, and that is with a significant rest inbetween. Need a new body, but I am way out of warranty...
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350 miles is an average jaunt for me. I have done 600 to 750 miles days. That wore me out physically as it was done in the summer heat through the upper mid-west to Reno. I've scaled back a bit to 450 to 500 now but it's not because of the bike...
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Unless you have tried many different bikes you wouldn't understand. Every bike is different and there is no one perfect bike. Trying different bikes is fun.
I have and I do.
In the last 12 months I have ridden the K1600GT, R1200GS, new FJR1300, ZZR1400 (1441), a '99 ZZR1100 and a Triumph Tiger Explorer.
On my list for the next 12 months are the new Trophy, new R1200GS, and the Versys 1000.
I am limited to bigger bikes due to my size.
However, I don't have to own the bikes to ride them.
Some are swapped with friends, others were test rides from Dealers.
The only one from that entire list that got me fizzing was the ZZR1400 but after half an hour my wrists were starting to scream "Uncle".
Can I justify $16000 for a toy I can only ride for (admittedly an awe inspiring and exhilarating) 45 mins to 1 hour.
No.
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350 mile days? That would tell me nothing other that I could go on a short day ride.
350 miles on two lane roads takes 7 hours. I don't care for riding in the heat of the afternoon and I like to be at a hotel early enough to not have to make prior reservations, enjoy the pool / hot tub, and have a nice dinner before doing it all over again.
Sure doing a 350 mile loop back to your home is a short day ride, but doing it for 10 days in a row can wear on you if you don't take proper breaks.
I plan for 350 miles because there might be something I want to stop at during the ride and if there isn't and the weather isn't too hot, I might ride further which is why I don't make reservations.
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350 miles is an average jaunt for me. I have done 600 to 750 miles days. That wore me out physically as it was done in the summer heat through the upper mid-west to Reno. I've scaled back a bit to 450 to 500 now but it's not because of the bike...
Sure, I've done 600 to 800 mile days when riding where there is nothing to see and on the boring interstate, but there is no fun in that.
I have over 100,000 miles ridden in just the past four years and I have learned that if you push for too many miles in a day you don't have time to stop and see the sights.
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And that's one of the exact reasons I stopped pushing the miles......seeing the sights and scenic highways along the way. Plus I'm getting too old for that :censored: (pushing miles). There's just too much to see in this country.
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That's how I roll :)
Just plan the number of days I can get away with, and the general target region or states, and let the miles come as they will.
I don't ride into dusk if I can avoid it, because of the wildlife getting active and crossing roadways. That and other things tend to keep days under 400 for me.
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350 miles on two lane roads takes 7 hours. I don't care for riding in the heat of the afternoon and I like to be at a hotel early enough to not have to make prior reservations, enjoy the pool / hot tub, and have a nice dinner before doing it all over again.
Sure doing a 350 mile loop back to your home is a short day ride, but doing it for 10 days in a row can wear on you if you don't take proper breaks.
I plan for 350 miles because there might be something I want to stop at during the ride and if there isn't and the weather isn't too hot, I might ride further which is why I don't make reservations.
The majority of my trips involve 700-860 mile days, and days on end, so I get it. For me 350 miles is a start. I agree though that you have to enjoy the time you have, and if that means stopping and enjoying the sights, that is what you should do. I do the same. I always have my photo gear and stop when I want to. I once rode to the Grand Canyon and each day from Pittsburgh to Arizona were around 700 miles. Once I got to Arizona it took three days to get to the canyon since I was stopping to hike, do photography and generally take in the sights.
My only point was that a series of 350 mile days isn't a really good test of a bike's ability to tour. You can do that on any bike including a scooter. I used to do more than that with my sport bikes. The bike I had before the C14 was an RC51 and I would ride it non-stop to Iowa from here, which is a +800 mile day. A 350 mile day through the twisty back roads of Western Pennsylvania and West Virginia was a normal day's ride.
Whatever you ride, and no matter how far you ride it, enjoy it.
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- 350 miles of backroads is very different from 350 miles of motorway/expressway miles.
- i am wondering whether some of the mileages mentioned above are simple straight slab miles. If its slab , jeez , lots of people can do hundreds of slab miles , ad nauseum.
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I agree. I think PH14 is missing the point that hours in the saddle is the same when riding 350 miles of two lane vs 700 miles of interstate, and hours in the saddle is what determines if the bike is comfortable or not.
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I live in the Midwest and my last 2 big trips were out west, so yeah, I hit some long days of slab to get across Il, IA, NE or SD. Because for the most part, they suck and it's awesome in the mountains. Just one man's opinion.
Also, I did some long days coming home from CA to IL because I missed my bed, animals and gf, not necessarily in that order.
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I agree. I think PH14 is missing the point that hours in the saddle is the same when riding 350 miles of two lane vs 700 miles of interstate, and hours in the saddle is what determines if the bike is comfortable or not.
No, I've done both. I like both. Do what you want and enjoy. I'm just saying 350 miles, either way, 4 lane or 2 lane, 2 lane my preference, isn't necessarily a test of a sport touring bike being a keeper or not. It barely taxes the bike's ability. It is fun though and I say enjoy.
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No, I've done both. I like both. Do what you want and enjoy. I'm just saying 350 miles, either way, 4 lane or 2 lane, 2 lane my preference, isn't necessarily a test of a sport touring bike being a keeper or not. It barely taxes the bike's ability. It is fun though and I say enjoy.
I think it is not just the bike but the rider. Even on 200 mile trips, there can be a big difference between a sport bike and a sport tourer. If the rider's body can't handle 100 on a sport, and can on a sport tourer, then it DOES show what the bike can do for you :) So it is a matter of perspective.
Also, miles on a slab are quite different from miles on a non-slab. One is boring and fast, the other is interesting and slower. Both can be dangerous in their own ways, and stressful in their own ways. I *hate* slab driving- it is so mind numbing for me it is very dangerous because I can't stay awake or alert. I also feel locked into position and the faster speeds are more stress on my neck.
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Also, miles on a slab are quite different from miles on a non-slab. One is boring and fast, the other is interesting and slower. Both can be dangerous in their own ways, and stressful in their own ways. I *hate* slab driving- it is so mind numbing for me it is very dangerous because I can't stay awake or alert. I also feel locked into position and the faster speeds are more stress on my neck.
I was much more comfortable on the RC51 when on the twisty backroads than I was on the interstate. Moving around through the curves helped the comfort considerably on that bike.
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They all buy a BMW K 16
Dear Mr. Blesse,
I wish to congratulate and applaud your being promoted as the Vice President of BMW Motorrad USA.
Hope your new position works professionally to your utmost satisfaction and your personal fulfillment.
However, you now face a extremely serious and endemic problem within the ranks of BMW Motorrad.
BMW Motorrad USA absolutely has no ability to deliver replacement parts necessary to keep new BMW Models roadworthy. My 2012 BMW K1600GT was disabled due to a deer strike on 10/13/11.
My moto has sat at BMW of Salt Lake City, Utah for five months now simply due to BMW Motorrad Germany being unable and unwilling to supply a replacement radiator expansion coolant tank: $40.00.
It's incomprehensible, and irresponsible of BMW Motorrad, they can sell a Customer a machine for $28,500: But they cannot even provide a simple plastic jug for over a year to keep the bike operational.
http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=57993 (http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=57993) http://www.k1600forum.com/forum/bmw-...0gt-parts.html (http://www.k1600forum.com/forum/bmw-...0gt-parts.html) http://www.azbeemers.org/forum/index.php?topic=3585.0 (http://www.azbeemers.org/forum/index.php?topic=3585.0) On January 24 I called out for help to the following BMW Forum Organizations that I belong to: BMW Motorcycle Owners of America, BMW K1600 Forum and BMW MOA Chartered Club #89 AZ Beemers. There are 4 pages each of comments regarding my bike's downtime situation at each of these sites. Please, do read them.
Mr. Blesse, here is what you'll discover when you read these dozen pages: I'm not alone in this BMW Motorrad Lack of Parts Availability Problem, this BMW fiasco is so widespread and affecting so many.
I have been a BMW Owner since 1969 when I bought my R60/2 in Augsburg, Germany. My first BMW shop was in the Altstadt of Munich. Since then I have tirelessly promoted the sales of BMW's.
In 43 years of riding BMW, over 500K miles on BMW, I've talked so many people into buying BMW.
This has now come to a final end, I cannot promote BMW due to it's lack of supply of necessary parts.
I still do not have my 2012 BMW K1600GT back to me, how can I support BMW after this situation?
I sadly do not believe that BMW could spell Customer Support if you gave them the U's, O's or the E.
I'm very sad over this tragic and senseless predicament, loyal BMW Customers shouldn't have to wait a full year to get a replacement coolant tank and certainly not 16 months to get a new left BMW muffler.
Don Stanley, Chandler, AZ beemerdons@aol.com Cell: 480
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Rest of the story , they had to steal one off a demo bike to get him running ???? :hail:
Mein Beautiful Fraulein Gisele is back home to me, after five months later. But, she's finally home!
I believe in providing Credit where Credit is Due! First, I'd like to thank Mr. Dean Lear; Dean is a Mover and Shaker in the World of BMW and he used his many contacts to expedite my bike's return.
Dean was the Founder of BMW Motorcycles of San Jose, California; Dean actively raced BMW motos and he's basically Lived the Life BMW for the last 4 decades. Thanks so very much, My Friend Dean.
Dean's a very active Member of BMW Riders Association and "On The Level" magazine contributor.
Second, I'd like to immensely thank Mr. Cavanaugh, BMW of North America Motorrad Team Leader.
I feel that Anthony did everything he possibly could do, under the structure of BMW NA, to get my K16 returned to me as soon as he was able to.
Anthony Cavanaugh was the Man who "Thought Outside of the BMW Box" to come up with the idea to take the expansion tank off of a demo bike.
Third, I'd like to thank BMW Roadside Assistance folks, they were so courteous and helpful to us.
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Now let me lastly mention BMW Motorcycles of Salt Lake City, Utah. On the morning of the deer strike, my Son Seth and his DaddyDon had given our "Gisele" a thorough washing. We always stay at The Torrey Inn and if we travel with a group, they set up a wash station for us: Garden hose, soap, rags, towels and brushes. I highly recommend that your Utah moto visit includes The Torrey Inn.
$6,400 was spent at BMW SLC to repair "Gisele". As we unloaded her off of the truck 1 hour ago, there was still deer pee, saliva specks, and blood on my bike. They never even washed my Gisele.
Can you imagine spending that kind of $$$ and not even getting your bike back clean from a shop!!!
They LOVE the BMW experience ;)
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Don,
I am so sorry about the deer hit and what it has taken for you to get the K16 back on the road.
Stories like this help me when I read the standard "I looked at a K16...." blog post and my C-14, FJR, or whatever it is I am riding is a piece of junk.
And to hear that BMW didn't even get the deer guts off the bike when you got it back.....
Just glad for my C-14 and the FJR before it.....
wrichstrom
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Rest of the story , they had to steal one off a demo bike to get him running ???? :hail:
I'm shocked they didn't do that immediately. We used to do it all the time at the dealership I worked. I sold a Vulcan 800 to a guy once and he promptly ran into a car in the parking lot on his way out. He wasn't hurt but he had a nice dent in his gas tank. We had another blue Vulcan on the floor so we swapped out the tank and the parts he needed and sent him on his way. I then told the GM it was time to do a custom bike, so I sent the tank out to be repaired and had them do ghost flames and then we decked out the rest of the bike.
If we could do that for a guy who bought an 800 Vulcan, why can't BMW at least get a coolant tank off another bike for someone who paid 28K for a top of the line bike?