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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: firehawk618 on May 19, 2013, 10:45:21 PM
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Wouldn't it be great if someone would come up with a reflash for our clusters that would enable some useful info such as actual temp, more than just one piece of data displayed at a time etc etc.....
I'd pay some decent coin for this if it ever happens.
I have to say that 6 segment temp gauge isn't very good IMO. Why Kawasaki....WHYYYYY you no put real temp on cluster? :o
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Wouldn't it be great if someone would come up with a reflash for our clusters that would enable some useful info such as actual temp, more than just one piece of data displayed at a time etc etc.....
I'd pay some decent coin for this if it ever happens.
I have to say that 6 segment temp gauge isn't very good IMO. Why Kawasaki....WHYYYYY you no put real temp on cluster? :o
Probably because it'd be as inaccurate as the speedometer and tire pressure sensors ;D
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Probably because it'd be as inaccurate as the speedometer and tire pressure sensors ;D
↑↑↑ That! :goodpost:
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Wouldn't it be great if someone would come up with a reflash for our clusters that would enable some useful info such as actual temp, more than just one piece of data displayed at a time etc etc.....
Yes. Yes it would.
1) It is crazy we are only allowed to look at one thing at a time on a screen that huge.
2) And I *HATE* the display being taken over by "alerts"- especially low gas.
3) It would be nice if the low fuel did NOT intentionally wipe "miles remaining"
I am sure I could think of more if prodded.
I'd pay some decent coin for this if it ever happens.
So would I
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At least they got KiPass right :D
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KIPASS is the perfect answer to the un-asked question! ;D
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Yes. Yes it would.
1) It is crazy we are only allowed to look at one thing at a time on a screen that huge.
2) And I *HATE* the display being taken over by "alerts"- especially low gas.
3) It would be nice if the low fuel did NOT intentionally wipe "miles remaining"
I am sure I could think of more if prodded.
So would I
+1 on all of those reasons. But just this time. I'm not going to agree with you all the time. Not prudent.
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at least agree to disagree....like when reading the speed or air pressure (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif) (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/stevewfl/media/bigthumb.gif.html)
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I wish they had the altitude sensor work with the display so you could see the altitude you are driving, useful for us folks driving in the mountains, especially if you are driving in rain at 6,000' and snow level is at 9,000'.
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I wish they had the altitude sensor work with the display so you could see the altitude you are driving, useful for us folks driving in the mountains, especially if you are driving in rain at 6,000' and snow level is at 9,000'.
My smartphone and GPS cover that. kawi can't even get the speedo accurate!
Altitude is the most accurate altimeter for android.
It also shows current, average and maximun speed, distance, time, direction of movement, physical address where you are, maximum and minimum height of your route and you can save them to see them whenever you want.
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Funny you should mention that- I think I might be able to help you out with numbers 2 and 3 of your list. How about an elimination of the low fuel warning coupled with range indicator that works to the bitter end.... or at least down to 7 miles remaining and having the fuel tank take 6.04 gallons? Impossible you say? Not so- in fact I have one of dem little gizmos in my paw as I type this.... well, not in my paw actually but lying close by on the desk. But wait; order right now and I'll include shipping via a specialized motor vehicle (a white postal truck named a LLV most likely) so you don't have to come to my location and pick one! Now how much would you pay?
I'll start a new thread about this but I really do have a no tools required, plug 'n play device that silences that silly warning screen and that pesky lack of range indicator right at the very moment you actually care how much range you probably have left.
Brian
Yes. Yes it would.
1) It is crazy we are only allowed to look at one thing at a time on a screen that huge.
2) And I *HATE* the display being taken over by "alerts"- especially low gas.
3) It would be nice if the low fuel did NOT intentionally wipe "miles remaining"
I am sure I could think of more if prodded.
So would I
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This is like the old 'bait and switch'.... without the switch.
ROFLMAO
Why just last weekend there was a glass of water sitting on the table at dinnertime with not one but TWO fobs in it. The really funny part was asking the other fellow who donated his fob for dunking if he could think of any way we could know which fob belonged to which bike. Really quite amusing. By the way, we opened them up and both fobs had a bit o' water inside; I didn't tell Kirby though 'cause he just would not believe it unless he had seen it for himself and he's ascairt of water.
Brian
At least they got KiPass right :D
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This is like the old 'bait and switch'.... without the switch.
ROFLMAO
Why just last weekend there was a glass of water sitting on the table at dinnertime with not one but TWO fobs in it. The really funny part was asking the other fellow who donated his fob for dunking if he could think of any way we could know which fob belonged to which bike. Really quite amusing. By the way, we opened them up and both fobs had a bit o' water inside; I didn't tell Kirby though 'cause he just would not believe it unless he had seen it for himself and he's ascairt of water.
Brian
WATER??? WATER????? OMG, Brians gone sober :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :censored: is happening?
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Well.... it was ice water, does that count?
Brian
WATER??? WATER????? OMG, Brians gone sober :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :censored: is happening?
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I'll start a new thread about this but I really do have a no tools required, plug 'n play device that silences that silly warning screen and that pesky lack of range indicator right at the very moment you actually care how much range you probably have left.
Brian
:popcorn:
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Well.... it was ice water, does that count?
Brian
Ice???? Buy the good stuff, stay away from that cheap swill and ice isn't required. C14 owners/riders are past frugal unlike dem C10 riders, which aint near as bad as KLR owners 8)
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LOW FUEL deliberately wipes the Miles Remaining.
They designed it that way because Miles Remaining is a guess or at best a guesstimate.
They have no idea how yer gonna ride for the next 30/40/50 miles.
You could be using Eco mode and riding dead smooth but a 20Mph headwind would offset all that and then some.
At 35 miles remaining you get LOW FUEL which actually means LESS THAN 35 MILES REMAINING,..... FIND GAS,.... NOW! ;)
I personally have managed 47 miles after LOW FUEL but I put 22.2 litres into my 22 litre tank.
Since then I rarely get more than 10 miles into LOW FUEL.
What I would like to see would to have LOW FUEL not wipe the gear display.
There is no need for it take the whole damned screen!
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The range function is actually calculated pretty accurately but of course it is only a valid prediction for the conditions that exist at the moment. That said, it does and will change in real time as your riding type changes which is what makes it valuable, at least in my opinion. For example, let's say you have 30 miles remaining while doing 80 MPH on the highway. You know that there is fuel at 28 miles but that is really cutting it close so you slow down to 65 MPH; the range display instantly reflects this change and shows 40 or more miles of range remaining giving you enough of a margin (in my opinion of course) to make the fuel station at 28 miles comfortably.
What is displayed and how it is displayed are personal decisions of course. I believe Kawasaki made an OK but not the best decision by deciding to remove the range function once the fuel level gets to a particular place. They simply tell you that you are low on fuel rather than predict how many miles because otherwise before very long people would be complaining about running out of fuel with 3 miles left on the range display. Believe me, I have really thought about short- sheeting that method but in the end decided to give the best available (but NOT perfect) information to the rider and that person can do whatever he or she thinks best in a given situation.
A similar thing happens with the low fuel warning taking over the entire screen- the programmer really wanted us to be unable to avoid noticing it was there.
Now, if only there were a way to suppress the warning, leave the display alone and keep the range function working..... hmmmmm.
Brian
LOW FUEL deliberately wipes the Miles Remaining.
They designed it that way because Miles Remaining is a guess or at best a guesstimate.
They have no idea how yer gonna ride for the next 30/40/50 miles.
You could be using Eco mode and riding dead smooth but a 20Mph headwind would offset all that and then some.
At 35 miles remaining you get LOW FUEL which actually means LESS THAN 35 MILES REMAINING,..... FIND GAS,.... NOW! ;)
I personally have managed 47 miles after LOW FUEL but I put 22.2 litres into my 22 litre tank.
Since then I rarely get more than 10 miles into LOW FUEL.
What I would like to see would to have LOW FUEL not wipe the gear display.
There is no need for it take the whole damned screen!
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What I would like to see would to have LOW FUEL not wipe the gear display.
There is no need for it take the whole damned screen!
Easily done. Press and hold the top button in, then press and release the bottom button, then release the top button. The red LED comes on to let you know that something is up and you have your display again.
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LOW FUEL deliberately wipes the Miles Remaining.
I personally have managed 47 miles after LOW FUEL but I put 22.2 litres into my 22 litre tank.
Since then I rarely get more than 10 miles into LOW FUEL.
If you run out of gas, will it start up if you simply add more fuel or does it need to have air bled out of the fuel injection lines?
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Conrad:
You are right that you get rid of the big flashing LOW FUEL message but you do not regain a distance estimate. Is there anything else that you don't have at that point??
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Conrad:
You are right that you get rid of the big flashing LOW FUEL message but you do not regain a distance estimate. Is there anything else that you don't have at that point??
Nope, just the inaccurate range is lost.
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Interesting. How inaccurate is the range display Conrad? Especially below, say, 40 miles?
Brian
Nope, just the inaccurate range is lost.
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Interesting. How inaccurate is the range display Conrad? Especially below, say, 40 miles?
Brian
I don't have any numbers for you Brian but it's just the nature of the beast. If you baby the bike when your low on fuel you'll go a lot further than if you beat on it right? I always reset my 'A' odo when I fuel up so I 'almost always' know how far I can go once the low fuel warning comes on.
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Yes, changing the way you are using the bike directly and pretty drastically changes the range and that is what makes the range indicator so useful at low remain ranges- it responds in real time to how the bike is being used at the moment.
The ECU knows both how much fuel is in the bike but also at what rate that fuel is being used because it is the ECU that is actually using the fuel. The ECU uses the 'current mileage' function coupled with the amount of fuel to constantly change the range displayed. If you have a gallon of fuel and are currently getting 40 MPH then you have 40 miles of range (obviously) but the moment you change the way you are using that fuel, both the current mileage and the range displays will change to accurately reflect that change. The typical thing that happens is that we slow down and the range increases; we can adjust our speed to change (increase of course) our range based on the currently displayed range.
Of course I am selling a device to allow the range device to be used after the low fuel level is reached but only because I have found it useful for my own use on my own bike. When the tank is near full the range indicator IS inaccurate but to be honest, who really cares? The difference in 20 or 30 miles of range when there is 200+ is really not useful, at least to me. But the range indicator is pretty darned accurate at low fuel levels and reflects real world, current usage conditions so it is a much more useful tool near the empty end of the tank rather than at the full end.
All of that said, of course it is only an estimate and I would not dare trust it down to, say, 3 miles remaining. I have had the range function read 7 miles and the bike was still running when I pulled into a fuel station but I would not have passed that station; I had my wife with me and no additional fuel and I cannot even begin to tell you how much she hates walking back to a fuel station carrying a fuel can. :-)
I will strap on a quart or so of spare fuel, run the bike down to -0- on the range function and see how accurate it really is this summer. I would not normally do this as it can be hard on fuel pumps but fortunately I have several laying around from the development phase of the low fuel warning development phase that let out some smoke
Brian
I don't have any numbers for you Brian but it's just the nature of the beast. If you baby the bike when your low on fuel you'll go a lot further than if you beat on it right? I always reset my 'A' odo when I fuel up so I 'almost always' know how far I can go once the low fuel warning comes on.
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Yes, changing the way you are using the bike directly and pretty drastically changes the range and that is what makes the range indicator so useful at low remain ranges- it responds in real time to how the bike is being used at the moment.
The ECU knows both how much fuel is in the bike but also at what rate that fuel is being used because it is the ECU that is actually using the fuel. The ECU uses the 'current mileage' function coupled with the amount of fuel to constantly change the range displayed. If you have a gallon of fuel and are currently getting 40 MPH then you have 40 miles of range (obviously) but the moment you change the way you are using that fuel, both the current mileage and the range displays will change to accurately reflect that change. The typical thing that happens is that we slow down and the range increases; we can adjust our speed to change (increase of course) our range based on the currently displayed range.
Of course I am selling a device to allow the range device to be used after the low fuel level is reached but only because I have found it useful for my own use on my own bike. When the tank is near full the range indicator IS inaccurate but to be honest, who really cares? The difference in 20 or 30 miles of range when there is 200+ is really not useful, at least to me. But the range indicator is pretty darned accurate at low fuel levels and reflects real world, current usage conditions so it is a much more useful tool near the empty end of the tank rather than at the full end.
All of that said, of course it is only an estimate and I would not dare trust it down to, say, 3 miles remaining. I have had the range function read 7 miles and the bike was still running when I pulled into a fuel station but I would not have passed that station; I had my wife with me and no additional fuel and I cannot even begin to tell you how much she hates walking back to a fuel station carrying a fuel can. :-)
I will strap on a quart or so of spare fuel, run the bike down to -0- on the range function and see how accurate it really is this summer. I would not normally do this as it can be hard on fuel pumps but fortunately I have several laying around from the development phase of the low fuel warning development phase that let out some smoke
Brian
Now that you put it that way I retract my statement. I guess if one was able to use the range function at the low levels you're talking about that it would be more accurate. I've never been able to use the range function as you are since I don't have your device installed.
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Yep, I posted on both forums at the same time- the link to the one here is: http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13852.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13852.0)
Hey, I just had a thought- If I put another low fuel indicator in the fuel tank at a really (and I mean really, really) low point in the tank then I could test the range indicator down to effectively no fuel without actually running out and cooking the fuel pump. Why I tells ya' a few thousand more modifications and there wont' be much of anything Kawasaki left on my bike. ;)
Brian
Now that you put it that way I retract my statement. I guess if one was able to use the range function at the low levels you're talking about that it would be more accurate. I've never been able to use the range function as you are since I don't have your device installed.
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Easily done. Press and hold the top button in, then press and release the bottom button, then release the top button. The red LED comes on to let you know that something is up and you have your display again.
Most of us know that, I suppose.... (or should... it is in the manual)
The issue is that it is annoying, unnecessary, difficult, and unsafe to try to doing while moving (but I do it anyway). It would have been better to turn on the red light immediately and then flash the display warning for a minute or until ANY single button is pressed (including the handlebar one).
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I would have preferred a simple warning light like the rest of the free world has.
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Most of us know that, I suppose.... (or should... it is in the manual)
The issue is that it is annoying, unnecessary, difficult, and unsafe to try to doing while moving (but I do it anyway). It would have been better to turn on the red light immediately and then flash the display warning for a minute or until ANY single button is pressed (including the handlebar one).
"Should" being the operative word here.
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Easily done. Press and hold the top button in, then press and release the bottom button, then release the top button. The red LED comes on to let you know that something is up and you have your display again.
Easily said, not so easily done in heavy traffic with winter gloves on.
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Easily said, not so easily done in heavy traffic with winter gloves on.
In that case, I would suggest that you not run low on fuel in heavy traffic while wearing winter gloves. ;)
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I would guess it's even worse when you're driving on the wrong side of the road.
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In that case, I would suggest that you not run low on fuel in heavy traffic while wearing winter gloves. ;)
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Great advise Conrad. Got any thoughts about getting into accidents- should we avoid those too?
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Brian
In that case, I would suggest that you not run low on fuel in heavy traffic while wearing winter gloves. ;)
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Great advise Conrad. Got any thoughts about getting into accidents- should we avoid those too?
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Brian
That would be prudent, yes, you'll live a longer happier life that way.