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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Son of Pappy on May 17, 2013, 05:29:16 PM
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Read em and weep gents.. Naturally Aspirated, (with no ram air to help things along) real world numbers on a dyno with nothing to be gained by the operator. Free run for miltary appreciation day :) No torque numbers, whadaya expect for free ;) I did throw the operator a tip, he did way more than a spin up. Throttle response is as crisp as anything, I even found myself looking for 7th gear as the butt dyno was saying shift 8)
Full AreaP, BMC filter, PCV, Auto tune. 54,700 miles, ZX14 TBs. 175 was in 5th gear.
I'm downloading a Youtube vid as I type, but here is a pic of the printout.
When we were unloading the bike from the dyno we noticed something unexpected, a nail!! It did 175 multiple times, I will post up a pic shortly, I need to pull the nail and slip one of dem Florida worms in ;)
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Nail. Got lucky, didn't puncture tire, surprised it stayed in!!
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Read em and weep gents.. Naturally Aspirated, (with no ram air to help things along) real world numbers on a dyno with nothing to be gained by the operator. Free run for miltary appreciation day :) No torque numbers, whadaya expect for free ;) I did throw the operator a tip, he did way more than a spin up. Throttle response is as crisp as anything, I even found myself looking for 7th gear as the butt dyno was saying shift 8)
Full AreaP, BMC filter, PCV, Auto tune. 54,700 miles, ZX14 TBs. 175 was in 5th gear.
I'm downloading a Youtube vid as I type, but here is a pic of the printout.
:thumbs: :chugbeer:
Nail. Got lucky, didn't puncture tire, surprised it stayed in!!
:'(
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See how long the power plateau is? I'd say she needs more air coming in.
Once the vid is done downloading hookup the surround, crank the volume, and put in earplugs!!!! ;D
FWIW, an R6 was much much louder, he managed 86 HP. The R1200GS hit 86 HP... Hmmmmm ???
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Love it when a potential puncture goes sideways through a tread block!
How the :censored: :censored: does that happen?
Oh, nice numbers! :finger_fing11:
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VERY nice C!
The way my rear tire attracts nails, that nail would have somehow punctured my tire twice.
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175MPH means nothing since your not pushing through the air.
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175MPH means nothing since your not pushing through the air.
There's nothing wrong with having some bragging rights... 8)
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yup,my c10 did 178 in 5th with a 7th gear upgrade.
My c14 is @ 161.3hp with a very similar setup.
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175MPH means nothing since your not pushing through the air.
Kinda agree, I was more interested in how a nail stayed in at that speed and the potential for how much speed she has. Being as it was a static test there was no benefit from ram air, which is a fair amount of added power.
There's nothing wrong with having some bragging rights... 8)
Yuppers!! Advanced Street Skills is just around the corner, I've never been to the Ridge Raceways in Shelton, should be a lot of fun ;D
VERY nice C!
The way my rear tire attracts nails, that nail would have somehow punctured my tire twice.
Thankee C :) :)
Love it when a potential puncture goes sideways through a tread block!
How the :censored: :censored: does that happen?
Oh, nice numbers! :finger_fing11:
Not sure how that happened, but I'll take the good fortune :)
yup,my c10 did 178 in 5th with a 7th gear upgrade.
My c14 is @ 161.3hp with a very similar setup.
You have the ZX14 TBs? I'm wondering how to free up more incoming air and maybe velocity stacks to help smooth out the power curve, which isn't bad, but that big plateau needs attention :o
I had internet issues last night so the vid didn't get loaded, I'll try again today.
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Being as it was a static test there was no benefit from ram air, which is a fair amount of added power.
The Wikipedia entry claims 4.7hp for the C14 ram air, which sounds reasonable. That is 3% of the stock peak power.... people can debate if that is a "fair amount" of added power or not :) I will say that no human would ever notice that difference.
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I would, but I'm not human.
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Crank the volume!! FWIW, if you google Fastest color, C14, and Youtube you will have your answer ;D
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XESNJpdoxV8&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XESNJpdoxV8#ws)
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Crank the volume!![youtube link]
DAMN that was a long video. Why the hell did that dyno run take so LOOOOONG? Problems??
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He was tweaking things, most of the bikes were on and off fairly quickly, but then again the "performance" mods for them was a slip on ;) He was having fun and the Duc guy, well, he was smiling as well.
Sometime this week I will save a copy of the MAP for those who need/want it. I haven't had a chance to run her up yet, but I can say the dead/flat spot at 3k is gone and the throttle snap is instant.
Sometime soon I will take it in for a full comprehensive dyno run, I really would like to see the torque values coupled with RPMs.
I'd also like to ride a stock bike, do a swap with another Gen1 owner for a few miles to get a current feel for the mods. Considering that the stock RWHP is in the 130s adding 25+/- RWHP on a naturally aspirated bike is something to be happy with ;D And seeing as how I still average 42ish MPG? Remarkable to say the least.
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:stirpot:
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13806.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13806.0)
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:stirpot:
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13806.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13806.0)
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The 158, is that the stock, before mods power reading?
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The 158, is that the stock, before mods power reading?
Unfortunately no, that is with TwoBros system but without mapping done and without the flies removed - though it does match Kawasaki Australia's stock claim of 118kw/158hp
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Is that rw hp or crank hp number?
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Is that rw hp or crank hp number?
Doesn't say specifically:
Max power with RAM Air 118.4 kW {161 PS} / 8,800 rpm
But our fuel is typically higher octane than what you guys get (so I am led to believe) which I am sure also helps :)
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Unfortunately no, that is with TwoBros system but without mapping done and without the flies removed - though it does match Kawasaki Australia's stock claim of 118kw/158hp
I wonder if the shop did an adjustment to read crank HP? Trust me, I'm not asking for competitive reasons, it's just that 158 is far above any other pipe only mod. US bikes are listed at 154-at the crank-past stock runs are showing 130s, which is pretty awesome by itself. Big numbers are an attraction for more buisness and it isn't above operators to manipulate percentages. To be honest, I was expecting more, but as the operator had nothing to gain I trust his numbers, but I will be looking to validate what I got if for nothing else to satisfy my own curiosity..
What it all boils down to is whethor or not we are happy with what our butt dyno is telling us 8)
FWIW, this was done at some 50 feet ASL. Fairly cool day, around 68 degrees and %33 percent humidity. Good conditions for making power ;D
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Don't know to be honest, but when looking at the difference in the numbers (ignoring the numbers themselves) I'm pretty happy to get a 9% increase. Mind you, it is unknown how bad the bike was running compared to the stock exhaust - you'll see in one of the sheets the bottom end was very rich - so for all I know this map might have just bought it back up to normal par :)
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But our fuel is typically higher octane than what you guys get (so I am led to believe) which I am sure also helps :)
The higher the octane, the lower availble energy/BTUs.. High horespower is often coupled with high compression, which brings a need for higher octane to aid in retarding detonation, hence, higher octane. Take the FJR as an example, it has a lower compression ratio and a lower octane requirement, which results in less power.
A few years ago we had an awesome thread on octane, eye opening to say the least.
Don't know to be honest, but when looking at the difference in the numbers (ignoring the numbers themselves) I'm pretty happy to get a 9% increase. Mind you, it is unknown how bad the bike was running compared to the stock exhaust - you'll see in one of the sheets the bottom end was very rich - so for all I know this map might have just bought it back up to normal par :)
I agree %100 ;D
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FWIW we run 98 octane round these here parts ;)
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Not to be a party pooper but "gain" is really the number you want to focus on, which requires a base line run on the same dyno. There are just too many factors that come into play that can make different dyno's show different numbers...
Glennn has about the same gain % as I got (baseline to after mods), roughly 10%. :)
Regardless though, cool vid Chet! :thumbs: :chugbeer:
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Yep, gain is where the game is won. I thought it was kinda cool to do it with the bags and box on, something differant :) I stopped recording after a bit, I wish I had the last run, so smooth and it got there in such a hurry 8)
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Doesn't say specifically:
That is crank, not wheel.
But our fuel is typically higher octane than what you guys get (so I am led to believe) which I am sure also helps :)
The higher the octane, the LOWER the power potential is in the same engine that does not require more octane...
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The higher the octane, the lower availble energy/BTUs.. High horespower is often coupled with high compression, which brings a need for higher octane to aid in retarding detonation, hence, higher octane. Take the FJR as an example, it has a lower compression ratio and a lower octane requirement, which results in less power.
A few years ago we had an awesome thread on octane, eye opening to say the least.
I agree %100 ;D
:) I posted before reading ahead, again. But I left it in because it is nice to see us post the same info.
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Not to be a party pooper but "gain" is really the number you want to focus on, which requires a base line run on the same dyno. There are just too many factors that come into play that can make different dyno's show different numbers...
+1
Dyno's are not all accurate nor the same (for one thing). It is best to look at the change across multiple runs on the same dyno.
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:) I posted before reading ahead, again. But I left it in because it is nice to see us post the same info.
;D
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One of these days I'm going to get my bike dynoed with the mods I've made, the question is will the power commander/ Auto tune work with the flashed Guhl ECU ? I don't want to remove my flys, but I like the Auto tune idea?
do you disconect the ECU so the control of the flys is gone?
or does that still work with the commcnder/auto tune?
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Yes pc/autotune will still do the same job after the reflash but with diminishing returns.
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FWIW my 08 has PC-V, Autotune, Full Area P, Filter, flys out, and it shows 150hp at the wheel, which is about right for those mods.
At the OP, if you ride a stock one then get back on yours, you will be amazed. Me and a buddy swapped and stock felt like a moped compared to a modded C14. He said his butt dyno indicated his pulled as hard in 4th as mine now does in 6th. Sounds about right. The two big gains are grunt down low and a very, very crisp throttle.
Good mods !
Barry
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Well that's good to know
So after the dyno If I'm near 150hp I'll let it be
Seams like the ZX TBs are the next step.
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Well that's good to know
So after the dyno If I'm near 150hp I'll let it be
Seams like the ZX TBs are the next step.
I was in a lather to do the TBs next. Then I started hearing about minor bottom end loss, and I have no desire now. It's a street bike, with luggage. How fast do I really need it to be? So mine is done. I'm into mods for comfort and convenience now. Also, I bought mine from a guy here that did all the power mods, so it was done, tuned, etc. when I got it. I just tweaked the map a couple times and I'm good to go.
Barry
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I guess I'm lucky, no loss, pure gain. Well, when she sells I will lose, but it will be someone's gain :( :)
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But our fuel is typically higher octane than what you guys get (so I am led to believe) which I am sure also helps :)
Nope. Your octane is measured as RON over here in the US we use AKI or R+M/2
You're pump number may appear higher but its the same "octane".