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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: bombsquad1201 on April 23, 2013, 11:14:28 AM
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Howdy Everybody,
I sent a note to Jim, he suggested I post it for all of you to see and comment.
Thanks for looking, no offense if no one is interested.
What will we do with all the mufflers/exhaust that we are removing from our bikes?
What would you think about having someone, free of charge make a sculpture of all / some the muffler/exhaust?
What if we we're in turn as a group ZGGTR, donated that sculpture to a museum?
What if the museum was a Motorcycle museum? Barber Vintage Motorsports museum.
What if we had a mini rally at this motorcycle museum and presented the sculpture to them during the rally?
What if we were to do this mini rally in the month of June or September, 2014?
If you think this would be of interest to the rest of the group, I would like to do a survey to get an idea as to how many would be interested in attending it.
Jose'
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Would we need to hire one of those WIDE LOAD 18 wheelers (or two) to deliver the sculpture?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kHj8lgwOzSk/T7Y3kjqJHGI/AAAAAAAABD4/knxJ9dIOPyg/s1600/wide+load.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/G3W23.jpg)
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Where we riding to? I'll drag my launcher there ;D
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Not to be a party pooper but unless your aftermarket exhaust has an EPA/DOT stamp you might want to hang on to the OEM.
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Might want to look at this.
Noise Law FAQ, or Fact Versus Fiction
Updated on December 25th, 2011
The people promoting the "EPA label match-up program", state or local EPA label laws and other noise related laws, ordinances and rules eagerly speak of many things as if they were facts. Many of these "facts" are hyperbole, misinformation, scientifically improbable, utterly impossible, unsubstantiated, and in many cases simply made up. This document attempts to distinguish between anti-noise activists' flights of fancy, and reality. We do not believe in fighting propaganda with propaganda. Here we answer allegations with well researched facts. Think of this page as the Snopes.com of motorcyclists' rights arguments. Relevant sources and resources are listed at the bottom of this document.
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Summary of Fictions
The EPA label match-up program
EPA labels on motorcycles and their exhaust systems are intended to be used as a tool for local law enforcement
EPA label laws would be fair and easy to enforce
All motorcycles manufactured since 1982 with legal, federally compliant exhaust systems must bear EPA labels
Australia requires EPA labels on motorcycles
It would be easy to match frame labels to exhaust labels
It is illegal to operate a motorcycle on the USA's highways without an EPA label
It is illegal to install an exhaust system that is not certified by the EPA
DOT labeling on helmets is meant to be enforced in similar fashion to EPA labeling on motorcycle mufflers
The EPA labels on motorcycle exhausts have no legal similarity mattress tags
Motorcycles with aftermarket exhaust systems exhibit increased air pollution output
The EPA noise label is also a pollution emissions certification
EPA label laws are the only viable way to deal with the problem of excessive motorcycle noise
SPL meters are prohibitively expensive and police departments cannot afford them
Sound measurements in the field won't be enforceable
Police won't all be carrying SPL meters
EPA label laws would be effective for all Harley-Davidson motorcycles because their mufflers are in plain view
Federal laws governing motorcycle exhaust labeling are designed to be adopted by states and local governments
States and municipalities have the right to enforce the Federal EPA stamp requirement as law
J2825 is a plot by the AMA and/or the MIC to divert energy away from promoting EPA label laws
EPA label laws are a simple, fair and equitable way to address excessive motorcycle noise
Many cities have have passed motorcycle noise laws based on the EPA labels
EPA label laws have been effective in Denver, etc
Non-compliant OEM exhaust equipment is subject to recall
A motorcycle with a modified exhaust produces more pollutants than an automobile with a modified exhaust
Motorcycles produce more pollutants than automobiles
Local EPA label laws have survived constitutional challenges
The Noise Control Act allows citizens to file civil suits against violators, up to $10,000
106dB, or 100dB, or 96dB, etc. is louder than 80dB
80dB is too loud
The World Health Organization recommends a 50dB limit to outside noise
Asia and Europe have stricter regulations for motor vehicle noise
The standard for motorcycle noise is not based on standards that protect health and well being
Relying on the SAE and MIC for a motorcycle noise measurement standard is a conflict of interest
The only noise coming from a properly muffled motorcycle is through the exhaust
Exhaust noise is only projected backward from the motorcycle
Only Harley Davidson motorcycles are loud
Only motorcycles are loud, or all motorcycles are loud, or there is no such thing as a quiet motorcycle
SAE J2825 is a noise standard, or law, or regulation
SAE J2825 allows more noise
SAE J2825 does not accurately measure motorcycle noise
SAE J2825 only allows 92 dB or 96 dB
The J2825 procedure is suitable for inspection stations but not necessarily field enforcement
The J2825 procedure requires at least three officers to administer safely
Police hesitate to chase noise offenders for safety reasons, i.e. laws aimed at parked motorcycles are safer
The Acoustical Assurance Period
Loud Pipes DON'T Save Lives
Loud pipes actually cause accidents due to "startle effect"
Motorcyclists use ear plugs to protect themselves from their own loud pipes
Loud pipes reduce safety by preventing motorcyclists from hearing emergency vehicles
Motorcyclists concerned with safety should have air bags, full-face helmets, high-viz vests, flags, etc.
High-visibility clothing is a better approach to rider safety than loud pipes
The AMA's noise mitigation efforts are ineffective and insincere
An exhaust system installed without the correct label violates 49 CFR 205 and 4909a(2) of the NCA
The NCA gives municipalities authority to restrict operation of motorcycles within neighborhoods
The NCA allows citizens suits against motorcyclists, manufacturers, dealers and aftermarket suppliers
Bikers use charity rides to make up for their abuse of noise laws, bad behavior, etc.
Most owners of street motorcycles install illegal exhaust systems
Links and references
Fighting EPA label summonses
FICTION: The EPA label match-up program.
FACT: There is no match-up program.
The match-up concept may be found in the legislative intent (see indents below) behind Subchapter G of CFR Title 40, which took its current form in 1976 as a result of the Noise Control Act of 1972. The intent of Title 40 Part 205 was to eventually require muffler labeling on automobiles and trucks as well as motorcycles, and to eventually update Title 40 (which is a regulation governing manufacturing only) to make it suitable for adoption into local law. The Office of Noise Abatement and Control (ONAC) was dismantled in 1981, long before those intentions could be carried out, along with many others, leaving Title 40 only partially implemented and effectively abandoned.
"EPA's approach in developing tools which States and localities can adopt has three phases.
The first phase, which is currently in operation, is the development and publication of model legislation for vehicle operation controls (street pass-by-limits) and visual inspection of exhaust systems. This is being carried out in a Joint project with the National Association of Noise Control Officers (NANCO). As indicated earlier, a number of cities have already adopted these types of control. Assistance to communities and States in drafting this type of legislation and in carrying out enforcement is also provided through the ECHO program, Regional Technical Centers and the EPA Regional Offices.
In the second phase, which will precede the effective date of the national emission regulation, the EPA will develop model legislation to Implement the "label match-up" scheme and anti-tampering controls against new (regulated) vehicles. "
Notice the wording. It never happened.
"In the development of all model legislation (and particularly the label "match-up" and anti-tampering provisions) the EPA will seek extensive review by State and local noise central personnel, police and legal officials and the industry. If there are difficult points, it may be necessary to field test some of the model laws prior to publication for voluntary adoption by interested States and cities."
None of this ever happened.
Since Congress never repealed the Noise Control Act, the EPA continues to have a statutory responsibility to implement it. Three decades following the loss of ONAC, the EPA has done nothing with Part 205.
FICTION: EPA labels on motorcycles and their exhaust systems are intended to be used as a tool for local law enforcement.
FACT: The labels were intended to be used as controls against tampering. The EPA failed to follow through on model legislation and review by state and local authorities, which were also key parts of the legislative intent. The Federal regulations as they exist now are an incomplete work, abandoned by the EPA.
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Where we riding to? I'll drag my launcher there ;D
Barber Museum in Alabama. I've been there and it's worth the trip.
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OK, got it. The fedgov will never screw us.
Barber is awesome.
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Barber Museum in Alabama. I've been there and it's worth the trip.
That's where the sculpture will end up. I would think that someone will have to sculpt the sculpture somewhere else first right? Unless they're going to do it in the parking lot of the museum? That might be frowned upon.
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Might want to look at this.
There are at least a few dozen in there that are flat out wrong or just someone's opinion (someone clearly pro-noise). Just saying. But it is true that there are (UNFORTUNATELY) no concise and uniform laws about noise pollution from vehicles. And what ordinances that do exist are local and state and are (UNFORTUNATELY) rarely ever enforced.
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Finally pulled the trigger on a slip on can. So I expect to have my OEM exhaust laying around by this weekend. I will certainly keep the OEM for awhile to make sure I'm happy with the Leo Vince before doing anything with it. Eventually I was thinking of trying to modify it into an actual potato launcher. I could be talked into donating it to this sculpture instead but much harder for me commit to a ride to Alabama. If the stars aligned with timing and it looked doable I would love to go.
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Would we need to hire one of those WIDE LOAD 18 wheelers (or two) to deliver the sculpture?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kHj8lgwOzSk/T7Y3kjqJHGI/AAAAAAAABD4/knxJ9dIOPyg/s1600/wide+load.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/G3W23.jpg)
:yikes: Wouldn't just be easier to drive the mine truck directly instead of the synchronized double trucking?
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:yikes: Wouldn't just be easier to drive the mine truck directly instead of the synchronized double trucking?
Can you imagine just how stressful trying to drive those two trucks like that would be? The more I think about it, the more mind-boggling it becomes.
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That's where the sculpture will end up. I would think that someone will have to sculpt the sculpture somewhere else first right? Unless they're going to do it in the parking lot of the museum? That might be frowned upon.
What kind of sculpture should we build with left-over launchers? I'm not really an artsy crafty type guy so my garage is out. Plus, that is a long ways to drag it to Alabama. :P
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What kind of sculpture should we build with left-over launchers? I'm not really an artsy crafty type guy so my garage is out. Plus, that is a long ways to drag it to Alabama. :P
Sounds like bombsquad is volunteering and lives near the museum in Alabama.
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:yikes: Wouldn't just be easier to drive the mine truck directly instead of the synchronized double trucking?
One would think that.
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A muffler tree obviously. ;D
Now we just need to know what type of tree.
The Larch?
The Pine?
The Giant Redwood tree?
The Sequoia?
The Little Whopping Rule Tree! ::)
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How about the legendary ugly tree?
Commonly used phrase referencing the degree to which an individual is considered unattractive. Possibly a regional colloquialism used in the Oklahoma area.
Billy Bob: "Geez! That woman with the balding patte, bulbous nose, black front teeth, and tattoo of 'I Like It Rough,' sure is ugly!"
Billy Roy: "She sure has a flabby gut, and that backside ain't too perty neither!"
Billy Billy: "Boys, that there gal Fell Out Of The Ugly Tree And Hit Every Branch On The Way Down!"
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Billy Ray: I told you boys not to talk about your Mamma like that.
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A little update,
These are some of the thing we will be able to do if we make the rally happens:
A weekday event hopefully three days if not the whole week, sometime in June or September.
If members of our group would like to camp they can camp on the grounds of the museum.
We would also be allowed to tour the museum and restoration facility.
The members would be able to ride there bike on the track.
We would present a unique sculpture to the Barber Vintage Museum, that is made of Kawasaki Concours 14 mufflers/exhaust, made by a well known metal artist form New Orleans, Louisiana.
I am waiting for additional information. I Will keep everyone posted.
Again we are not committed to do anything, just checking it out to see if it is possible.
I am just interested in meeting people that like bikes and would like to put a face with a name, not ZG everyone knows him and seen his picture and pictures of his bike, just kidding ZG.
Bombsquad 1201
aka Jose'
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I am just interested in meeting people that like bikes and would like to put a face with a name, not ZG everyone knows him and seen his picture and pictures of his bike, just kidding ZG.
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Turn that frown upside down mister!
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Turn that frown upside down mister!
:)
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There, don't you feel better now J?
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There, don't you feel better now J?
Yep C, I do... ;D
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Yep C, I do... ;D
Imma barf! :)
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Imma barf! :)
:rotflmao:
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I like the thought, but you can't get around a basic truth...
You can't polish a turd.
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Sure you can.