Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Flienlow on April 10, 2013, 09:51:09 AM
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Finger is on the trigger, safety is off.
BUT before I fire, help me decided.
2009 (red)with 10,000 miles, Pwr commander, exhaust, it is pristine not a scratch. $9400 AND LOCAL.
2010(blue) 7000miles with matching kawi rear case, bar risers. some holes from a few farkels removed, but covered up and inconspicuous. Rest of the bike is beautiful.
$10500 and 200 miles from my house.
Would the 2010 be worth extra coin and road trip?
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Are either bike ABS? If the 2010 is ABS it will also have traction control. For some this is desirable and for others a negative. The 2010 also has better engine heat air flow and doesn't melt your ankles. Apparently there is a fix for that on the 09 but you may want to look into that. If they both have stock wind shields the 10 will be taller. Different glove boxes. Those are the major differences. If you want traction control and the 10 has it, that could be the deciding factor. And if gas mileage is a factor, the 10 will have econ mode and if you use it will get a few mpg better.
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'10 has traction control, heated grips, inserts cut in dash to reduce wind warble, mirrors raised 50mm to better see over baggage, raised windshield, HEAT containment for the engine, and a few more improvements. ask yerself what its worth to you =)
they're all nice because they have KIPASS 8)
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I forgot about the heated grips and raised mirror. Good points. But if I bought a gen 1, it would have heated grips the next day. Unless I lived in Hawaii or Florida, I can't imagine any bike without heated grips.
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Choosing between 2009 and 2010, all things equal, would go with 2010. Considering a 400 round trip to get the 2010, would go with a 2009. But, I buy bikes that have not been messed with mechanically or electronically so I would not get this 2009. I would put the safety back on, wait and keep looking.
Think both bikes are overpriced. I am considering a 2011, 1,600 miles, pristine, purchased off the showroom floor 12 months ago, no extras, $10,600. Saw a 4 sale post on one forum, 2012 for $10,000, has 400 miles on it and TechSpec tank protectors! So I have you my answer on years and my answer on price.
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Choosing between 2009 and 2010, all things equal, would go with 2010. Considering a 400 round trip to get the 2010, would go with a 2009. But, I buy bikes that have not been messed with mechanically or electronically so I would not get this 2009. I would put the safety back on, wait and keep looking.
Think both bikes are overpriced. I am considering a 2011, 1,600 miles, pristine, purchased off the showroom floor 12 months ago, no extras, $10,600. Saw a 4 sale post on one forum, 2012 for $10,000, has 400 miles on it and TechSpec tank protectors! So I have you my answer on years and my answer on price.
Thats far? I flew from FL to NJ to pic up my bike, 28 degrees and snow flurries. Why buy these bikes if you never leave the neighborhood? 2010 with over 70,000 miles and my only regret is I haven't been able to do more and longer trips :D
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Go with the 09........
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Be patient, I too think they are both asking premium prices. If you do decide to pull the trigger I would do the '09, but then again, I am partial to the gen 1 C14 ;D
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Be patient, I too think they are both asking premium prices. If you do decide to pull the trigger I would do the '09, but then again, I am partial to the gen 1 C14 ;D
Hence why I said to go with the 09, but yeah the price needs to come down a tad. 8)
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are you partial or are they the better bikes? like...perhaps I need to swap my '10 for a '09 (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
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are you partial or are they the better bikes? like...perhaps I need to swap my '10 for a '09 (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
I don't need traction control, linked brakes, ECO mode, I like the glovebox, and I honestly don't care for the design as much "although has less heat".
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are you partial or are they the better bikes? like...perhaps I need to swap my '10 for a '09 (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
Why go halfway? Swap for the original Silverdammit and regain that feeling of raw, unmitigated power ;D
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Finger is on the trigger, safety is off.
BUT before I fire, help me decided.
2009 (red)with 10,000 miles, Pwr commander, exhaust, it is pristine not a scratch. $9400 AND LOCAL.
2010(blue) 7000miles with matching kawi rear case, bar risers. some holes from a few farkels removed, but covered up and inconspicuous. Rest of the bike is beautiful.
$10500 and 200 miles from my house.
Would the 2010 be worth extra coin and road trip?
Did you see this? http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13250.msg163163#msg163163 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13250.msg163163#msg163163)
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Did you see this? http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13250.msg163163#msg163163 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13250.msg163163#msg163163)
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Thank you.
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Here is a 2010. It has about 38,000 miles on it, but those were within 2 years and it is still under warranty.
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=11888.new#new (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=11888.new#new)
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I'd suggest pass on any year without the ABS. The linked brakes on '10+ really makes you have to leave the pedal alone and do most braking with the lever.
The '08,'09 heat is best dealt with by increasing airflow rather than trying to block it, in my opinion.
The early rotors are supposed to warp easily, but mine are fine with no special care taken of them.
The smaller early windscreen is way better for me, and the difference in mirror height seems minor.
All that said, if I had to shop tomorrow I'd buy a gen 2 if the money was right, or a gen 1 with low miles that made the money right. Can't really go wrong. 8)
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ABS or no ABS should not be a deal breaker IMHO.
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It would be for me...
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You may want to send an email as well as some don't monitor their messages that close.
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NO!!!! PM SENT!!!
Thank you.
You're welcome. Good luck.
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ABS or no ABS should not be a deal breaker IMHO.
Certainly would break the deal for me.
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It would be for me...
+1...
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Certainly would break the deal for me.
I have yet to have my ABS kick on, and I have ridden in a ton of rain and gotten on the brakes pretty hard a few times. If ABS gives y'all peace of mind, then by all means have at it. The number of bikes with ABS to non ABS isn't even close. It is a false sense of security in allot of cases, matter of fact I have never had either of my wheels lock up on me on any bike that I have owned.
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I have yet to have my ABS kick on, and I have ridden in a ton of rain and gotten on the brakes pretty hard a few times. If ABS gives y'all peace of mind, then by all means have at it. The number of bikes with ABS to non ABS isn't even close. It is a false sense of security in allot of cases, matter of fact I have never had either of my wheels lock up on me on any bike that I have owned.
Saved my a$$ once. Totally my fault but if I hadn't had them I would have had a VERY bad day. It only takes once to make it worth it.
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Saved my a$$ once. Totally my fault but if I hadn't had them I would have had a VERY bad day. It only takes once to make it worth it.
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I have yet to have my ABS kick on, and I have ridden in a ton of rain and gotten on the brakes pretty hard a few times. If ABS gives y'all peace of mind, then by all means have at it. The number of bikes with ABS to non ABS isn't even close. It is a false sense of security in allot of cases, matter of fact I have never had either of my wheels lock up on me on any bike that I have owned.
One of the first things that I did after I brought my C14 home from the dealer was to take her out and bed in the brake pads. Then I did some panic stops so that I could see how the brakes felt when the ABS kicked in and how quickly I could get the big girl to stop. If you've never done this, you should.
To say that ABS gives one a false sense of security is like saying that wearing a helmet also gives one the same feeling. Not so. ABS is a tool in the safety tool bag, nothing more. You might be right for new riders but I don't think that would apply to anyone here.
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One of the first things that I did after I brought my C14 home from the dealer was to take her out and bed in the brake pads. Then I did some panic stops so that I could see how the brakes felt when the ABS kicked in and how quickly I could get the big girl to stop. If you've never done this, you should.
To say that ABS gives one a false sense of security is like saying that wearing a helmet also gives one the same feeling. Not so. ABS is a tool in the safety tool bag, nothing more. You might be right for new riders but I don't think that would apply to anyone here.
I am being nothing but subjective, ride long enough and you shall have some close calls. I don't think that there would be much of an argument saying ABS cannot save your bacon in certain situations. It can help and there really should not even be a debate, but there are still more bikes on the road without it than with it. If your head and face hits the pavement, more than likely it is not going to end well, so comparing a helmet to ABS being a tool probably isn't the best comparison. I agree that ABS is a great idea, but for sure is not going to deter me from buying a bike that I want. That being said......if ABS is an option, I would more than likely take that option more than not. ;)
I will not do any panic stops to test/activate the ABS, because that will warp my rotors!!! :rotflmao:
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Are there any considerations as far as power commanders, pipes, butterfly or making more horse power in general that I should take into consideration in regards to the different years?
Why is this so hard? >:( - I know, first world problem. :)
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Making horsepower will cost the same regardless of model year.
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I have yet to have my ABS kick on, and I have ridden in a ton of rain and gotten on the brakes pretty hard a few times. If ABS gives y'all peace of mind, then by all means have at it. The number of bikes with ABS to non ABS isn't even close. It is a false sense of security in allot of cases, matter of fact I have never had either of my wheels lock up on me on any bike that I have owned.
Mine has never kicked in either. But it is a majorly important safety device, to me. Motorcycles are extremely unsafe. ANYTHING I can reasonably do to help improve my odds and I am in favor of it.
Plus, I know a few people with incidents where ABS was, indeed, VERY helpful. And I do not think of myself as a bike expert and have ZERO illusions that I could brake harder and better than with ABS assist in an emergency.
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Are there any considerations as far as power commanders, pipes, butterfly or making more horse power in general that I should take into consideration in regards to the different years?
Sorry, there is essentially zero difference in all that.
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Outside of surface conditions being other than normal, ABS will stop you no sooner than proper threshold breaking. In my experience, just jamming on the brakes on a dry normal surface will increase your distance when the ABS starts to engage and disengage. I also understand that very few practice enough braking to see how far they can be pushed before a front wheel wash out.
With that being said, I would recommend ABS since no road is perfect. Also as you can see resale is a pain if other models of the same bike offer it.
It all boils down to what you want. I prefer the 09 styling and after riding Harley's there is no heat comparison.
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When I bought mine, my choice was between a new '10 and a new '09. I bought the '09. I hate linked brakes and I didn't want ABS or traction control. I saved money and I am happy. That being said, $500 is not a big difference, so if you want ABS, and want to go 200 mile to get it, go for it. Of course when you factor in mileage, the price gets higher for the '10. Your choice.
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I will not do any panic stops to test/activate the ABS, because that will warp my rotors!!! :rotflmao:
Did it to me, it did.... :doh:
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I frequently push my bike into ABS, especially hot braking in the mountains. Cheating with ABS braking into turns late is one of the reasons my kneedraggin' friends on sportbikes can't shake my behemoth bike :D
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Outside of surface conditions being other than normal, ABS will stop you no sooner than proper threshold breaking. In my experience, just jamming on the brakes on a dry normal surface will increase your distance when the ABS starts to engage and disengage. I also understand that very few practice enough braking to see how far they can be pushed before a front wheel wash out.
With that being said, I would recommend ABS since no road is perfect. Also as you can see resale is a pain if other models of the same bike offer it.
It all boils down to what you want. I prefer the 09 styling and after riding Harley's there is no heat comparison.
Agree completely. Someone who knows what they are doing will out brake ABS in a panic stop. But it's called a panic stop for a reason. Armatures like me put themselves in a bad situation and panic and grab both brakes on a less than perfect surface. In that situation ABS will save your butt.
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BMW did extensive testing on the S1000RR
The pro's could not beat the stopping distance performance of the BMW ABS.
One can also google tests suggesting ABS bikes stop faster than non-ABS bikes by the same rider in a plethora of tests by governments and magazines.
Sooner than later, ABS will be required on all bikes in USA and europe. Top manufacturers that aren't building budget bikes already have them on ALL models, such as BMW.
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:popcorn:
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+1
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:popcorn:
Where's Cuda? We gots another bmw lover we gots to run off.
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Mine has never kicked in either. But it is a majorly important safety device, to me. Motorcycles are extremely unsafe. ANYTHING I can reasonably do to help improve my odds and I am in favor of it.
Plus, I know a few people with incidents where ABS was, indeed, VERY helpful. And I do not think of myself as a bike expert and have ZERO illusions that I could brake harder and better than with ABS assist in an emergency.
I totally disagree with ya on that.
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When anyone is ready for hard stats, facts, (and states, magazines, race teams, and factory tests) I'll start posting :D
But the internet armchair debate is fun ;)
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As it always is..
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When anyone is ready for hard stats, facts, (and states, magazines, race teams, and factory tests) I'll start posting :D
But the internet armchair debate is fun ;)
Soooo, until we're ready, you'll stop? ;)
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My Poor poor hijacked thread...... :(
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My Poor poor hijacked thread...... :(
So what did you decide?
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When anyone is ready for hard stats, facts, (and states, magazines, race teams, and factory tests) I'll start posting :D
But the internet armchair debate is fun ;)
Porperly applied brakes will always out do improperly brakes, regardless of ABS in use or not. Debate that 8) ABS is a crutch for those moments of extreme situatuations, be it a high speed track or patch of gravel. The vast majority of the time when a street rider is saved by ABS it could have been avoided by better vision/awareness. Comparing track bikes to street bikes is not the same, controlled environment with everyone headed to the same place. ABS has a place no doubt, but it will never be able to replace a skilled rider and the reaction required in any given situation. The variables are many and unpredictable, yet very predictable for a seasoned, trained rider. "There I was, grabbing a handfull of brake, uncontrolled, the suspension collapsed suddenly, ABS kicked in, suspension started doing a stutter step, and wham!!"
Signed,
DB Cooper ;)
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He he he.... yeah, ABS is one o' them there magic terms on the forum- mention it anywhere in the post and this kind of stuff happens. Other key words are oil, shaft noise, tire (best to mention a brand name here) and..... wait for it.... KiPass.
But back to your question: the difference between an '09 and a 2010 is that an '09 is a Gen. 1 bike while an 2010 (and later) is a Gen. 2. There was a significant bodywork change between Gen1 and Gen2s, they look different and the Gen 2's manage heat better (the rider will feel less heat on him / her than the Gen 1 bikes under the same circumstances). I am not going to begin the debate on whether or not Gen 1 bikes are 'hot' or 'too hot' but if you live in a warm climate, a Gen. 2 bike could be an advantage.
Also, traction control was introduced on Gen 2 bikes, as well as economy mode. Traction control reduces power to the rear wheel if / when it starts to slip under acceleration (nothing to do with ABS braking) and seems to work well and generally be liked by users. Economy mode leans the air / fuel mixture and also seems to be well received by users overall. Gen 2 bikes also have linked brakes and apparently there are quite a few who do not care for the way Kawasaki implemented it and so far, there is no direct way to get around it.
Otherwise the Gen 2 bikes are still based on the same chassis and engine, most parts interchange, and overall the experience is very similar. Most of the time, identical. I do not think choosing any year C-14 would be a mistake, and there is little to be avoided in any year that I am aware of.
Just to be clear, I have a Gen 1, 2008 C-14 that I purchased new in July of '07. I still love the bike and would buy another one tomorrow should this one catch on fire or fail me somehow such as KiPass, bad tires, bad oil, a noisy drive shaft, exploding drive shaft or any such similar disaster. Now on a serious note, there are no chronic problems that will stop a C-14 although there are one or two [too common] issues that are annoyances. Some have work- arounds while others do not but overall, the bike and outstanding and you are missing a great experience riding one while you decide which one to get :-)
And, by the way, I believe you could ride over 100 miles at a time on a C-14, any generation.
Brian
My Poor poor hijacked thread...... :(
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I've heard C-14 brake systems leak gasoline at your house....
Brian
Porperly applied brakes will always out do improperly brakes, regardless of ABS in use or not. Debate that 8) ABS is a crutch for those moments of extreme situatuations, be it a high speed track or patch of gravel. The vast majority of the time when a street rider is saved by ABS it could have been avoided by better vision/awareness. Comparing track bikes to street bikes is not the same, controlled environment with everyone headed to the same place. ABS has a place no doubt, but it will never be able to replace a skilled rider and the reaction required in any given situation. The variables are many and unpredictable, yet very predictable for a seasoned, trained rider. "There I was, grabbing a handfull of brake, uncontrolled, the suspension collapsed suddenly, ABS kicked in, suspension started doing a stutter step, and wham!!"
Signed,
DB Cooper ;)
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My Poor poor hijacked thread...... :(
Situation normal...no worries. We're not as crazy about that here as in some other forums.....unless, of course, it's one my threads... ;) I try to keep things in line but it's easier to herd cats than this group of members. They're a good bunch, though. Somewhat eccentric and a little crazy. We like that here. No serious people allowed. >:( ;)
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So what did you decide?
Let me just say that buying cars and motorcycles is literally torturous to me. I go round and round. but I think I have a plan. I found a nice 2009 by an inmate, and a 2010 by a private party. If the 2010 is as good as seller says. I will probably buy that.
However, I would rather buy the less expensive motorcycle (here I go round and round like a crazy bastard again.) I just dont know if the extras on the 10 are worth it. At this point they seem that way but I just don't know. I also take resale into account on everything I buy because I don't to keep anything long term. I feel that a 10 would serve me better if I were to go to sell.
Once thing is sure... We are at warning yellow- Weapons are Hot. I'm ready to go. -Tomorrow. :)
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I totally disagree with ya on that.
That is your prerogative. However, they are much less stable than cars and when they go down, injury almost always follows. Meanwhile a car occupant has space, crumple zones, seatbelts, pretighteners, multiple airbags, intrusion bars, impact absorbing interior, and a roll cage and is riding in something much more visible.
ANYWAY, Flienlow, hurry up and buy one of these unsafe motorcycle things soon!
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Porperly applied brakes will always out do improperly brakes, regardless of ABS in use or not. Debate that 8) ABS is a crutch for those moments of extreme situatuations, be it a high speed track or patch of gravel. The vast majority of the time when a street rider is saved by ABS it could have been avoided by better vision/awareness. Comparing track bikes to street bikes is not the same, controlled environment with everyone headed to the same place. ABS has a place no doubt, but it will never be able to replace a skilled rider and the reaction required in any given situation. The variables are many and unpredictable, yet very predictable for a seasoned, trained rider. "There I was, grabbing a handfull of brake, uncontrolled, the suspension collapsed suddenly, ABS kicked in, suspension started doing a stutter step, and wham!!"
Signed,
DB Cooper ;)
Absolutely true. No doubt becoming a better riders is the best thing you can do for safety. I don't ride any differently on my ABS equipped bike then on my non ABS equipped bike. I once made a bad mistake and I happened to be on my ABS equipped bike and I'm pretty sure it made a huge difference in the outcome. If I every buy another new street bike, it will also have ABS.
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This is getting better than an oil thread :D
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I have never been on a dangerous motorcycle, nor have I ever owned or shot a dangerous firearm. People are the danger whether from inexperience, dangerous conditions, dangerous situations, or just plain bad luck. ABS and other safety features can help possibly put things in your odds, but the ultimate responsibility lies in the operator. Now as for the differences between the first gen and the second gen, there has been some nice upgrades to the current. Mainly for me would be the instrumentation and the layout and accessibility of the controls, better heat management, and I like the factory heated grips. I hate linked brakes and have no need for traction control, but can be helpful in some situations. There are allot of nice accessories available for these bikes, so make them your own no matter what year you buy.
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I did own a 2008 non abs and absolutely loved it. I put 44,000 miles on it in 18 months. Overall, at the time, it was the best bike I ever owned. It was extremely hot on the legs when sitting in traffic. Fuel economy was about the same even though they mention the eco mode on the newer bikes. I liked the center glove box better on the 2008 compared to the locking box that is on the 2010 and up. I totaled this bike while trying to avoid a deer. Did no abs contribute. We'll never know.
I bought a 2010 abs and loved it even more. I put 38,000 miles on it in under two years.The cooler ride is great, because Boston traffic can get slow and hot. The abs and traction control is great. It's easier to keep the front tire down on a fast take off. I will never get a bike without heated grips again. The bodywork even seems to shed the rain just a little bit better. I rode the 2008 and 2010 in a couple inches of snow for about 100 miles and couldn't tell you which one I felt more comfortable with. I just kept it straight and smooth on both bikes. I did have the traction control kick in on an icy corner and probably saved my hide at about 45 mph. The linked brakes are my only complaint worth noting. It has a completely different feeling than normal brakes. It has grabby spots when braking. I have done some adjusting in my braking that has helped this, but hasn't made it perfect. Sitting in traffic it can become annoying.
I now have a 2011 abs I bought a couple months ago. I plan on riding this even more than the last two, but we'll see. I wouldn't even consider getting a 2008 or 2009 now that I've had the newer ones without a huge price advantage. And it would have to be in like new condition and have under 5,000 miles on it.
Just thought I'd give you some real input other than Me having a 2010 abs for sale. Good luck with your decision.
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BMW did extensive testing on the S1000RR
The pro's could not beat the stopping distance performance of the BMW ABS.
One can also google tests suggesting ABS bikes stop faster than non-ABS bikes by the same rider in a plethora of tests by governments and magazines.
Sooner than later, ABS will be required on all bikes in USA and europe. Top manufacturers that aren't building budget bikes already have them on ALL models, such as BMW.
Steve... behave ;)
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I did own a 2008 non abs and absolutely loved it. I put 44,000 miles on it in 18 months. Overall, at the time, it was the best bike I ever owned. It was extremely hot on the legs when sitting in traffic. Fuel economy was about the same even though they mention the eco mode on the newer bikes. I liked the center glove box better on the 2008 compared to the locking box that is on the 2010 and up. I totaled this bike while trying to avoid a deer. Did no abs contribute. We'll never know.
I bought a 2010 abs and loved it even more. I put 38,000 miles on it in under two years.The cooler ride is great, because Boston traffic can get slow and hot. The abs and traction control is great. It's easier to keep the front tire down on a fast take off. I will never get a bike without heated grips again. The bodywork even seems to shed the rain just a little bit better. I rode the 2008 and 2010 in a couple inches of snow for about 100 miles and couldn't tell you which one I felt more comfortable with. I just kept it straight and smooth on both bikes. I did have the traction control kick in on an icy corner and probably saved my hide at about 45 mph. The linked brakes are my only complaint worth noting. It has a completely different feeling than normal brakes. It has grabby spots when braking. I have done some adjusting in my braking that has helped this, but hasn't made it perfect. Sitting in traffic it can become annoying.
I now have a 2011 abs I bought a couple months ago. I plan on riding this even more than the last two, but we'll see. I wouldn't even consider getting a 2008 or 2009 now that I've had the newer ones without a huge price advantage. And it would have to be in like new condition and have under 5,000 miles on it.
Just thought I'd give you some real input other than Me having a 2010 abs for sale. Good luck with your decision.
Thank you for your input!
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I suppose a better question would have been:
Should stopping an ABS bike properly take less time versus just grabbing a handful and holding on allowing the ABS to stop you as it modulates. I am sure that whatever you decide will be a good choice. The C14 is a great bike.
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my $0.02
my 08 is the first edition ABS model.
I have had it react at least 20 times since i bought it.
EVERY time it did "it's thing" I can honestly say that keeping the firm grasp on those brakes, and trusting them, came out fine....and much better than some older experiences I have had since 1973 clamping and trying to "modulate" brakes.
that said, I have NO NEED for LINKED brakes, nor electric grips, or any F'ing ECO MODE....or a slow bike...i.e. anything produced after 08.... but I do like black as a color. 8)
dammit. Silver Dammit....freakin' NEUTRON Silver Dammit 8)
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.... but I do like black as a color. 8) dammit. Silver Dammit....freakin' NEUTRON Silver Dammit 8)
.... silvery baby blue.... ;)
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my $0.02
my 08 is the first edition ABS model.
I have had it react at least 20 times since i bought it.
EVERY time it did "it's thing" I can honestly say that keeping the firm grasp on those brakes, and trusting them, came out fine....and much better than some older experiences I have had since 1973 clamping and trying to "modulate" brakes.
that said, I have NO NEED for LINKED brakes, nor electric grips, or any F'ing ECO MODE....or a slow bike...i.e. anything produced after 08.... but I do like black as a color. 8)
dammit. Silver Dammit....freakin' NEUTRON Silver Dammit 8)
Here here! I'll drink to that! :chugbeer:
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Welp, I picked up a 2010 last night. It's not a perfect bike but its the best and the only 2010 or newer I could find for the price within a 1000 miles. I also got a chance to ride it home through 300 miles of 30 degree **** pourin' out of boot misery. There was a lot of standing water on the freeway,and I was shivering so bad I was surprised I didn't rattle the bike apart. :)
After my trek there are a few things I need that I would like input on.
1. Peg lowering
2. The bike already has risers, but maybe those "Phil's wedges" would also help to rock the bars back?
3. GPS mount
Thanks All.
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I mounted my GPS on a dash that they use on Police bikes to mount Radar on $90.00, It also shades the gages , important if you have a Vstream windshield like I do and live in sunny south Fl. ;) I've read the sun has melted things going thru the Vstream windshield :o
Sounds like a cheap rain suit is NEEDED :D
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Welp, I picked up a 2010 last night. It's not a perfect bike but its the best and the only 2010 or newer I could find for the price within a 1000 miles. I also got a chance to ride it home through 300 miles of 30 degree **** pourin' out of boot misery. There was a lot of standing water on the freeway,and I was shivering so bad I was surprised I didn't rattle the bike apart. :)
After my trek there are a few things I need that I would like input on.
1. Peg lowering
2. The bike already has risers, but maybe those "Phil's wedges" would also help to rock the bars back?
3. GPS mount
Thanks All.
Congrats! Looks great! :thumbs:
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Welp, I picked up a 2010 last night. It's not a perfect bike but its the best and the only 2010 or newer I could find for the price within a 1000 miles. I also got a chance to ride it home through 300 miles of 30 degree **** pourin' out of boot misery. There was a lot of standing water on the freeway,and I was shivering so bad I was surprised I didn't rattle the bike apart. :)
After my trek there are a few things I need that I would like input on.
1. Peg lowering
2. The bike already has risers, but maybe those "Phil's wedges" would also help to rock the bars back?
3. GPS mount
Thanks All.
Congratulations! When it gets warmer and dryer I have no doubt this bike will put a smile on your face.
As for more help in riser department, if you want the ultimate adjustability try these: https://www.helibars.com/product/kawasaki-c14-multi-adjustable-handlebar-replacement-system (https://www.helibars.com/product/kawasaki-c14-multi-adjustable-handlebar-replacement-system)
I love mine but they are pricy.
I also had some like this and since you already have risers, for $65 this is the best bang for the buck: http://www.advancedsporttouring.com/Concours_14_Risers_p/c14-16.htm. (http://www.advancedsporttouring.com/Concours_14_Risers_p/c14-16.htm.)
They are used with your current risers and give you another 1/2" rise and 1" further back. I know for a fact you can put them on your 2010 abs and not replace the clutch or front brake lines. They really make a difference if you want to sit up more.
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Thanks for the tip! Wow those helibars are nice. And yes pricey. I think I will go the cheaper route. Perhaps I will buy both Phils wedges and the other.
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Welp, I picked up a 2010 last night.
Congrats!!!
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Wow those helibars are nice. And yes pricey.
Yes, the *Horizons* are nice and pricey. Maybe someday I will get those :) I have Helibars risers (hint: Heilibars is a brand, not a product) and they have a RAM ball on them so there is where I mount my GPS.
I think I will go the cheaper route. Perhaps I will buy both Phils wedges and the other.
Oh, I added the wedges to the risers and that made a lot of difference (for me, anyway).
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Welp, I picked up a 2010 last night.
Congrats FL! :chugbeer:
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Question: Is the Concours suppose to come with 2 key fobs? I only got 1 FOB, and 1 skinny key in a plastic sheath.
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Question: Is the Concours suppose to come with 2 key fobs? I only got 1 FOB, and 1 skinny key in a plastic sheath.
That *is* two fobs- one active fob and one passive fob. Time for you to read the manual :) (Yes, it is Engrish http://www.engrish.com (http://www.engrish.com) but still necessary).
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That *is* two fobs- one active fob and one passive fob. Time for you to read the manual :) (Yes, it is Engrish http://www.engrish.com (http://www.engrish.com) but still necessary).
Dang Max cut him some slack, he literally just bought his new toy. :o
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Dang Max cut him some slack, he literally just bought his new toy. :o
I read the manual, front-to-back before riding my new Concours :) Had it been in English, it would have been a lot easier, though.
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I read the manual, front-to-back before riding my new Concours :) Had it been in English, it would have been a lot easier, though.
Anyone else find that a bit odd? :yikes: ;) So how did you get it home, did you trailer it or read the manual at the dealer before you left?
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I read my manual the day I got it home and in spite of the Engrish, I still understood it. The manual is an owner's best friend. I actually read the service manual when I got it as well.
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Yeah, what Max said is correct of course- you did get two fobs.
You will want to maintain two fobs also.... it is a really bad idea to be down to one fob on a C-14. It does not matter if the main fob (the larger fob) battery is dead or not but you will need at least one fob to program the bike to recognize any other fobs. So the typical example is that you [lose / misplace / damage] one of your fobs and you are using the other one to ride the bike. That is all fine and well but should you [lose / misplace / damage] the remaining fob, nothing can be done to replace it; you have to buy a new KiPass ECU and have it coded to the bike. Very expensive and the bike will not start until the ECU is replaced. The cost is on the order of $700 + plus the cost of programming. So I will say it again: it is important you are not down to one fob if you own a C-14. Should you find yourself down to only one working fob (again, not speaking of a dead battery in the fob here, that does not matter) I suggest you buy another fob quickly and have the bike programmed to recognize the new fob as soon as reasonably possible.
Best of luck with the new bike.
Now go to the main section of the forum and ask a question about KiPass.... better yet, state an opinion about KiPass then sit back and get some popcorn. :-)
Brian
Question: Is the Concours suppose to come with 2 key fobs? I only got 1 FOB, and 1 skinny key in a plastic sheath.
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I read the DOS 5.0 manual before ever typing DIR at the prompt. Yeah, that's the ticket....
Brian
I read my manual the day I got it home and in spite of the Engrish, I still understood it. The manual is an owner's best friend. I actually read the service manual when I got it as well.
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dos 5.... aahh the nineties...those were the days.
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Thank Guys! And yes I will RTFM!
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Anyone else find that a bit odd? :yikes: ;) So how did you get it home, did you trailer it or read the manual at the dealer before you left?
Actually, the bike was delivered to me by the dealer. But I read the manual that day before it even arrived (the PDF is on Kawasaki's site).
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Anyone else find that a bit odd? :yikes: ;) So how did you get it home, did you trailer it or read the manual at the dealer before you left?
Not for Max. ;)
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Congrats and enjoy.
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Not for Max. ;)
I am odd in so many ways
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Actually, the bike was delivered to me by the dealer. But I read the manual that day before it even arrived (the PDF is on Kawasaki's site).
Delivered by the dealer.......WTF? It isn't like Home Depot or Lowes is dropping off a new John Deere mower, riding your new bike home from the dealer is what is fun! So were you charged extra for that? Read the PDF manual online........what do you do for a living?
(http://www.religifake.com/image/religion/1211/holy-facepalm-priest-facepalm-noob-religion-1351794177.jpg)
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Delivered by the dealer.......WTF? It isn't like Home Depot or Lowes is dropping off a new John Deere mower, riding your new bike home from the dealer is what is fun! So were you charged extra for that? Read the PDF manual online........what do you do for a living?
(http://www.religifake.com/image/religion/1211/holy-facepalm-priest-facepalm-noob-religion-1351794177.jpg)
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Delivered by the dealer.......WTF? It isn't like Home Depot or Lowes is dropping off a new John Deere mower, riding your new bike home from the dealer is what is fun! So were you charged extra for that?
The bike was inter-dealer exchanged, so they didn't have the bike I purchased (because they only had yucky black instead of cool silver. They did not charge me for delivery. I could not have driven the bike home anyway because it had the stock non-lowered seat, the suspension was not lowered with a lowering link yet, and my boots had not been modified. This made the bike uncontrollable (we are talking MAYBE touch tippie toes on one side or the other.)[/quote]
Read the PDF manual online........what do you do for a living?
<blush> Computers...
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The bike was inter-dealer exchanged, so they didn't have the bike I purchased (because they only had yucky black instead of cool silver. They did not charge me for delivery. I could not have driven the bike home anyway because it had the stock non-lowered seat, the suspension was not lowered with a lowering link yet, and my boots had not been modified. This made the bike uncontrollable (we are talking MAYBE touch tippie toes on one side or the other.)
<blush> Computers...
OK..........you are on the up and up. 8)
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The bike was inter-dealer exchanged, so they didn't have the bike I purchased (because they only had yucky black instead of cool silver. They did not charge me for delivery. I could not have driven the bike home anyway because it had the stock non-lowered seat, the suspension was not lowered with a lowering link yet, and my boots had not been modified. This made the bike uncontrollable (we are talking MAYBE touch tippie toes on one side or the other.)
<blush> Computers...
That explains the extra ballast quite well ;)
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That explains the extra ballast quite well ;)
Hey- what ballast!! I mean, yeah, I need to lose probably 10 pounds now, but that isn't bad (I am about 161lbs now)... I walked on the treadmill 45 min yesterday, what do you want???!!!
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The bazooka ballast!! That thing above the hips in the dirt world is known as a "traction package" ;D
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Last time I weighed 160lb was 45years ago and those special boots you you have to wear , were in style ::) bellbottoms, Disco , Guess you missed the 70's.
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Last time I weighed 160lb was 45years ago and those special boots you you have to wear , were in style ::) bellbottoms, Disco , Guess you missed the 70's.
No. I was in school the whole time, but I remember the 70's.
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Last time I weighed 160lb was 45years ago and those special boots you you have to wear , were in style ::) bellbottoms, Disco , Guess you missed the 70's.
The last time that I weighed 160 lbs was, um, let me think. Oh yeah, this morning! :)
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The last time that I weighed 160 lbs was, um, let me think. Oh yeah, this morning! :)
The first time I weighed 160 was this morning. Put on 5 pounds since I quit smoking.
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The first time I weighed 160 was this morning. Put on 5 pounds since I quit smoking.
Good for you G! Keep it up! When did you quit, this morning? ;)
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Three months. It'll stick though I think about it everyday.
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Hey- what ballast!! I mean, yeah, I need to lose probably 10 pounds now, but that isn't bad (I am about 161lbs now)... I walked on the treadmill 45 min yesterday, what do you want???!!!
I looked at my treadmill. I also watch my wife while she's on it. Does that count?
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I looked at my treadmill. I also watch my wife while she's on it. Does that count?
Nope, sorry.
(And I walked on it 45 min today, too)
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I like to walk around the neighborhood eating a bacon sammich.
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Mmmmm, bacon. :P
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Mmmmm, bacon. :P
Gross!!!!
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Gross!!!!
:yikes:
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Bacon gross? Alright Max you are indeed strange.
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I had a "bacon sammich" just the other day. It was everything I though it could be. :P
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I like a little peanutbutter on my bacon sammiches. :P
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Mmmmm, bacon. :P
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/bacon-bikini_zps53b8fa45.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/bacon-bikini_zps53b8fa45.jpg.html)
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I'd like some of that to go with my bacon! Actually, I'll forgo the bacon in this case. :P
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Gross!!!!
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-14ztmVtwbVA/TYrhy75fL2I/AAAAAAAAEh0/Ci7tdM2sOA8/s1600/knuckle%2Bbuybaconhappiness.png)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f230/FlameDarkfire/Demotivators/Bacon.jpg)
(http://www.ripleys.com/weird/files/2012/08/baconcokemain.jpg)
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTehngepT347gBDL5CkM8DBD5jQyHrtCGVTOo0EsDZe1h7p4Whe)
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(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/bacon-bikini_zps53b8fa45.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/bacon-bikini_zps53b8fa45.jpg.html)
Is that an all you can eat buffet?
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That bacon is not crispy enough for me, when the smoke detector goes off it is ready.
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Bacon gross? Alright Max you are indeed strange.
I am strange, but not [just] because meat is gross...
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As close as I can remember here, from the movie My Big Fat Greek Wedding....
'Whaddya mean he don't eat no meat'? (incredulous expression) 'Wait, I know, I'll make lamb.'
Or, if you prefer, from Pulp Fiction....
'Now that IS a tasty burger!'
Then there is the Simpson's episode where the Springfield Rabinical choir is singing.... "Don't eat pork, not even wid a fork!" (my personal favorite)
;D
Brian
I am strange, but not [just] because meat is gross...
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That bacon is not crispy enough for me, when the smoke detector goes off it is ready.
What's wrong with you, Brian? I would eat that bacon raw! 8)
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What's wrong with you, Brian? I would eat that bacon raw! 8)
I am thinking of my long term health, improperly cooked bacon is not good to consume. Of course were I to consume that particular bacon, my Wife would no doubt kill me first.
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I am strange, but not [just] because meat is gross...
Mankind has worked hard to get to the top of the food chain and you thank them like this? ;)
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I'm going to be doing a fly and ride with my wife to pick up an '09 with 12k on the clock for $7500 in June. The bike's in really good shape, my Grandpa owns it which is why I'm getting it fairly cheap. My wife and I will be riding from GA back to CA with the new bike. I need to ask him if it's got ABS, it's not a must have for me.