Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: rtarp1 on April 09, 2013, 08:54:32 AM
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boo
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Wow, that stinks! I'm glad to hear that it wasn't worse.
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Glad you're ok as well. Have you done any work to the brake system or changed a tire before this happened? If not, you need to go to a Kwak dealer and have them check it out. With a low mileage bike like that, nothing should have happened to the brake system. If a tire was changed, it's possible that the rotor or rotor carrier was warped in the process. At least that's what it sounds like on the surface.
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Serious air in the system?
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This is awful. Sorry it happened, but really glad you are OK.
I agree with Jim. It is highly likely the problem was one introduced by some type of maintenance. I doubt it was just a brake failure. But with only 5k miles, there should be no maintenance required at all yet, that would touch the brakes.
There is more to this story....
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That's scary! Glad you are ok. I'd bring it to the dealer and let them tell you what happened.
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Glad you're OK!
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Yep, you would have noticed it right away. So no work done on the bike and this happens out of the blue?
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Foul Play? Tip over that got air in the system? tank slapper?
Was the bike left sitting unattended somewhere and then the first time you applied them you found no brakes?
or were you riding and they were working fine and then suddenly they weren't?
or was the bike tipped over that could have gotten air in them?
or, or, or....
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was out riding during the day , parked the bike for a few hours and started noticing it then. weird.
No leaks? No brake fluid weeping somewhere? Very weird.
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None of this makes any sense, you either have brake lever or you don't, going from none to some or some to all makes no sense. There has to be a leak somewhere, or has to be massive air in your system.
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I have seen a brake pad fall out before, or else the friction material separate and fall out.
This can cause instant loss of brake, but once pumped up the feel comes back.
If the whole pad has dropped then the piston gets knocked back quite far so it could be that.
Could also be a failure in the ABS unit. The 2010- ones are more complex with the linked brakes.
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Sounds like to me, based on the OP's response that it's a mfg defect that just showed up. Dealer material for sure here. Can't wait to find out what it is.
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Curious on root cause, so I can add it to the pre-flight check.
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Could also be a failure in the ABS unit. The 2010- ones are more complex with the linked brakes.
Yeah, but I have never seen a single post about an ABS failure, much less a brake failure.
And if there was no maint and there is no leak, and no pad problems, then it is possible it could be tampering by a third party (vandals?). Strange strange strange.
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My bets are with space aliens....
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Fresh fob batteries?
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Fresh fob batteries?
That's probably it.
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I saw something very similar happen on a brand new Yami FZ6R. It would randomly drop the lever to the handle. One minute it would be fine and the next no brake. At first I thought there was air in the system but we bled it and no air. Turned out to be a bad master cylinder that would randomly bypass so you had no hydronic pressure. There were no leaks or fluid loss it was bypassing internally. This sounds to my like what's happening here but in my case it showed up within 100 miles of new.
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A bypassing master cylinder is My guess.
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lol MY kipass WAS FLASHING LOW BATTERY WARNING THAT DAY!!!
Oh, well that explains it. Why didn't you say so ;)
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lol MY kipass WAS FLASHING LOW BATTERY WARNING THAT DAY!!!
I change my FOB bat before anything happens. The mad pow-ah of KiPass protects.
My ignition switch has been funny for the last 10,000 miles or so. I have to tap the FOB knob then turn. It has not broken or left me stranded yet and I've trusted it, although one day I should maybe get it looked at by the warranty man. But with KiPass it just doesn't matter!
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That reminds me... need to replace my battery. Thanks! 8)
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I change my FOB bat before anything happens. The mad pow-ah of KiPass protects.
My ignition switch has been funny for the last 10,000 miles or so. I have to tap the FOB knob then turn. It has not broken or left me stranded yet and I've trusted it, although one day I should maybe get it looked at by the warranty man. But with KiPass it just doesn't matter!
I press and continue to "hold down" on knob until it clicks, is that how you do it?
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If he has to pump it up every time, there has to be air in it. How it got there without a leak is the mystery.
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I'm thinking master cylinder right now if there isn't a leak somewhere.
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I would also check for an obviously warped rotor or bent carrier. The excess wobble would press the pads into the caliper, resulting in needing additional pumping. (As BDF would say, "Easy fellas")
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I press and continue to "hold down" on knob until it clicks, is that how you do it?
No, for the last 10,000 miles I've had to smack it with the palm of my hand. Then it allows me to proceed as normal.
Jodi, my precious friend that works the Kawi service counter, reminded me yet again the parts are in. I told her no worries, the power of the FOB won't allow it to fail me 8)
Appointment Monday to take it in.
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No, for the last 10,000 miles I've had to smack it with the palm of my hand. Then it allows me to proceed as normal.
Jodi, my precious friend that works the Kawi service counter, reminded me yet again the parts are in. I told her no worries, the power of the FOB won't allow it to fail me 8)
Appointment Monday to take it in.
The way that I do it seems to work flawlessly, I have never seen it even remotely try to not function correctly.
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Back on topic...
Sounds like the exact same incident that happened to my rear brake. I previously posted about it in the thread linked below. I tee-totally believe there is something going on. See my post on page one if you are interested. I've sent an IM to the OP in hopes of actually helping him in some form.
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=12984.msg159352#msg159352 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=12984.msg159352#msg159352)
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My buddy stopped by on his Yamaha Venture a few weeks ago, and complained that his rear brake pedal bottomed out when he stepped on it a few miles before reaching my house. I investigated it for him, and found the cause...
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My buddy stopped by on his Yamaha Venture a few weeks ago, and complained that his rear brake pedal bottomed out when he stepped on it a few miles before reaching my house. I investigated it for him, and found the cause...
WOW!!
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My buddy stopped by on his Yamaha Venture a few weeks ago, and complained that his rear brake pedal bottomed out when he stepped on it a few miles before reaching my house. I investigated it for him, and found the cause...
:o
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My buddy stopped by on his Yamaha Venture a few weeks ago, and complained that his rear brake pedal bottomed out when he stepped on it a few miles before reaching my house. I investigated it for him, and found the cause...
That'll do it every time. LOL
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Can't put my finger on it but something just doesn't look right with that Yammy.. :o ::)
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My buddy stopped by on his Yamaha Venture a few weeks ago, and complained that his rear brake pedal bottomed out when he stepped on it a few miles before reaching my house. I investigated it for him, and found the cause...
I hate it when THAT happens!
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rtarp, update? I know, usual off topic stuff, but still looking for a cause/solution. Have you checked for visual runout yet?
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Wow.
Nice response by Kawasaki. Glad its resolved. Any idea whether it was in there form the beginning, or something picked up on the road along the way?
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Thanks for the update. It's always good to hear the final resolutions on problems.
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I'd still report it to the Feds...