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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: eng943 on March 21, 2013, 04:54:04 PM
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Looking for a slip on that will not be too loud on long sustained hours on slab. Very hard to tell on youtube.
Thoughts?
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Area P or Leo Vince..........
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I have a Holeshot. Sounds great when playing and is not at all offensive on the highway. Remember when your bags are on they help to keep perceived noise down.
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My Leo Vince (carbon fiber) has a nice quiet growl. It passes the "livestock test" which means herds of cattle, goats, or whatever don't run when I roll by them grazing in fields near my favorite back roads. Other pipes on other bikes sometimes haven't passed my livestock test.
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See and hear in person. YouTube can give you an indication , but reading about sound levels could lead to a purchase disappointment.
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AREA P! (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/icon10.gif)
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See and hear in person. YouTube can give you an indication , but reading about sound levels could lead to a purchase disappointment.
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I can make the same pipe sound a 100 different ways and play on a computer at a hundred different noise levels on youtube video (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/icon10.gif)
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I can make the same pipe sound a 100 different ways and play on a computer at a hundred different noise levels on youtube video ....
I'm chuckling in agreement which reinforces the see for one's self to be sure.
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My Vance & Hines CS-1 is just loud enough if ya know what I mean, and doesn't look like some added-on appendage of dubious origin.
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Looking for a slip on that will not be too loud on long sustained hours on slab. Thoughts?
I know the perfect muffler for being not loud, fitting perfectly, highly efficient, 100% legal, looking just fine, covered by a great 3 year warranty, no installation effort, and also extremely economical....
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I know the perfect muffler for being not loud, fitting perfectly, highly efficient, 100% legal, looking just fine, covered by a great 3 year warranty, no installation effort, and also extremely economical....
;)
:cannon: :deadhorse:
Area P........
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I like My Area P. Very reasonable sound, and a nice growl when I release the hounds.
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:cannon: :deadhorse:
LOL
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Two Brothers have many reducer options
They call them Power tips ? they reduce power and sound different sizes
I have the small ones but I have duals on ZX headers.
http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=two+brothers+power+tip&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=25178941315&hvpos=1o1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12519009281939415642&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&ref=pd_sl_33mohmnaeu_b (http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=two+brothers+power+tip&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=25178941315&hvpos=1o1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12519009281939415642&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&ref=pd_sl_33mohmnaeu_b)
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I know the perfect howitzer for making pretty much no sound, fitting horribly, highly hideous and humongous, 100% legal, looking just enormous, covered by a great 3 year warranty, no installation effort, and also extremely heavy and portly....
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Fixed that for ya Max. 8)
Actually reminds me a bit of the old Electrolux canister vacs.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUrTuPOY579hRbazmxgnDnXXLf33c5eKUjLwKekP2omlNp6Lq4)
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:cannon: :deadhorse:
;D :goodpost: :chugbeer:
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Fixed that for ya Max. 8)
Actually reminds me a bit of the old Electrolux canister vacs.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUrTuPOY579hRbazmxgnDnXXLf33c5eKUjLwKekP2omlNp6Lq4)
The Electrolux has more pizzaz. I'd run that one in a heartbeat. And it has a carrying handle. What more could you ask for?
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The Electrolux has more pizzaz. I'd run that one in a heartbeat.
:rotflmao:
+x on the Area P.
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I have a 2 Bros carbon fiber slip on with one of the quiet baffles in it. It's not much louder than stock until you rip on it. Then it screams. Without the baffle it was too loud.
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Sounds like a bunch of butt dyno's at work here.
Leo Vince with the insert is the same dB as stock.
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Sounds like a bunch of butt dyno's at work here.
Leo Vince with the insert is the same dB as stock.
I don't believe that , nothing is as quiet as stock , nothing !
It's the same design as many others fiberglass packers , how could it be the same as stock ?
I was looking and found a set of used Leo Vince ZX muffs because it was said how quiet they were till I heard them with out the insert, that is why I got the Two Brothers and the smallest insert of the four that they make.
Have you ever saw how restrictive those Cats are in the header pipe :o, when I saw how small those holes were I had a welding shop cut the collector open and remove them , They are ZX headers but I believe the stock header has the same, I did not check the stock header, I'm sure they help with the sound but believe me between the cats and the stock monster muffler they hurt HP over 5,000 rpm by 5-6hp easy.
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+1 on the Leo Vince.
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+2 on LV!!!
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Area p or Leo Vince and I might add that my Delkevic with the insert is comparable to these.
Muzzy=loud
Two brothers=louder
Yes, I have had both. I have not owned the Area p but heard it on another c14 personally and it is not too loud.
I have also had the Leo and sold it because I didnt like the sound but it was quiet.
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LeoVince titanium or carbon: it's the only one legally approved in Italy, thus its sound is in the limits.... but far better than the stock one! ;) :D
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Fixed that for ya Max. 8)
Actually reminds me a bit of the old Electrolux canister vacs.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUrTuPOY579hRbazmxgnDnXXLf33c5eKUjLwKekP2omlNp6Lq4)
HEHEEH
trry finding one of those puppies lately.... :'(
I have been looking for a nice one for the last 2 years, and they are being hoarded up by collectors. $$$$
All I wanted was the "Electrolux" chrome trim and lettered back plate for "addition" to my shortened stocker...but can't find one in good shape....
the model in question was the "XXX" triple-X :-[ 8) ;)
(http://img3.etsystatic.com/000/0/6143012/il_570xN.222733851.jpg)
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Area p or Leo Vince and I might add that my Delkevic with the insert is comparable to these.
Muzzy=loud
Two brothers=louder
Yes, I have had both. I have not owned the Area p but heard it on another c14 personally and it is not too loud.
I have also had the Leo and sold it because I didnt like the sound but it was quiet.
When I first got the Two Brothers I was going to sell them because they were to loud , till folks from here told me to try the reducers , they were right , night and day .
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When I first got the Two Brothers I was going to sell them because they were to loud , till folks from here told me to try the reducers , they were right , night and day .
Now you just have to be prepared to re-pack them before others may need it, Two Bros is known for using pretty sub par packing material.
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The Leo Vince comes with the sound tip installed. No, it's NOT as quiet as the stocker and yes, the bags do block some of the sound to the rider. Not a scientific study, but Leo, Remus, and Staintune tend to be the quieter aftermarket systems - just my opinion.
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Yeah your right , I bought some for $17.00 when I purchased the dual mufflers for $150.00 , I guess I got ripped off then also , In about ten years I might get to use it, ::) and it might take ten minutes per muffler to install.
I read it on the internet It MUST be true...
IF you have a two cyl motor(HD ect.) you will need to replace packing more often , but NOT with a four cylinder, which most C14's are ;)
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Yeah your right , I bought some for $17.00 when I purchased the dual mufflers for $150.00 , I guess I got ripped off then also , In about ten years I might get to use it, ::) and it might take ten minutes per muffler to install.
I read it on the internet It MUST be true...
IF you have a two cyl motor(HD ect.) you will need to replace packing more often , but NOT with a four cylinder, which most C14's are ;)
Never said you got ripped off my friend, but the packing is a big reason why you need a sound suppressor for a 2 Bros to be tolerable for many folks. And I never read what I said about the packing on the internet. ;)
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I know it is not a big dollar slip on but my Delkevic sounds great, especially for under $200.00. Not loud at all.
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I know it is not a big dollar slip on but my Delkevic sounds great, especially for under $200.00. Not loud at all.
I'm thinking I want to pick one of those up. I have my flies out with a power commander and stock exhaust. Does anyone know if Fuel Moto has a map for these pipes yet? On a side note, anyone on the fence about doing the Guhl reflash or taking your flies out with a PCV...well... get off the fence!! You don't know what your missing!!
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I havent tried all of these on for size or sound quality but for the sake of the team I will do my best. Don't expect any youtube vids tho 8)
http://www.victoriassecret.com/sleepwear/sleepwear?cm_mmc=Bing-_-Brand%2bProduct%20-%20Sleepwear%20-%20Computer%20-%20Broad%20MSN-_-Broad-_-victorias%20secret%20nightgowns (http://www.victoriassecret.com/sleepwear/sleepwear?cm_mmc=Bing-_-Brand%2bProduct%20-%20Sleepwear%20-%20Computer%20-%20Broad%20MSN-_-Broad-_-victorias%20secret%20nightgowns)
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Another for the Area P.... and it wakes up real nicely!
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Sorry SoP, you may have missed the question, your link was definitely about 'slip off's' not slip ons. Thanks for the link anyway.
(Any of those girls could slip those off anytime)
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Remus Hexacone Titanium here. Quite, far from obnoxious, great sound that is not tiring at all on the super slab, and clears its throat with a great growl when visiting the illegal side of the rev counter (<5k rpm). I like my bike twice as much since I fitted this thing... :chugbeer:
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I'm thinking I want to pick one of those up. I have my flies out with a power commander and stock exhaust. Does anyone know if Fuel Moto has a map for these pipes yet? On a side note, anyone on the fence about doing the Guhl reflash or taking your flies out with a PCV...well... get off the fence!! You don't know what your missing!!
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If you have gone that far , go to a ZX forum or www.craigslistcrawler.com (http://www.craigslistcrawler.com) you will find cheap ZX headers, less than a $100. have the OZ plug for Auto tune installed remove the cats and you got the best map possible ( how do you thing GUHL got his map ;) ) Used ZX mufflers are EASY to find once again a little search and you've just added the most HP you can with out a TURBO. ;)
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I was looking and found a set of used Leo Vince ZX muffs because it was said how quiet they were till I heard them with out the insert,
That's why I said the sound level is the same dB with the insert. Just because the tone is different doesn't mean it's louder.
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Love my Leo Vince. Only complaint might be the price. I run it with the insert, but have run it quite a bit without. I like the tone in both cases. I "feel" that it is slightly louder than stock even with the insert, but it's really the tone that I like.
Every Two Brothers that I've been around was loud.
Same for the V&H CS One (even though I really like the look of them and almost bought one).
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LOVE my STAINTUNE!
beutiful polished stainless steel, quiet when highway riding, but wakes up nicely around 7k RPM
beautiful piece, too, very classy, compliments the classy bike ;D
From the website:
http://www.staintune.com.au (http://www.staintune.com.au)
KA MS GTR 14 2008 Onwards Kawasaki GTR1400 Touring
Oval Sports Muffler Removable Restrictor PR Mirror
$700
I like it better without the restrictor
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I've come close several times on buying an Area P slip on. But I'm still leery due to my experience with aftermarket exhaust on 2 other bikes. I could never get either one to run as well as with OEM exhaust.
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I've come close several times on buying an Area P slip on. But I'm still leery due to my experience with aftermarket exhaust on 2 other bikes. I could never get either one to run as well as with OEM exhaust.
Mine works just fine with the Area P slip on. No issues at all.
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I've come close several times on buying an Area P slip on. But I'm still leery due to my experience with aftermarket exhaust on 2 other bikes. I could never get either one to run as well as with OEM exhaust.
Mine runs flawless. I do have a PCV also though.
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Mine runs flawless. I do have a PCV also though.
Yup that's why I will probably eventually do it. The other 2 bikes were carbureted. One was a Valkyrie with 6 carbs and changing jets on that was a bitch. But the other was a VTX with a single carb easy to work on. I tried many different jets. I even tried a dial-a-jet http://www.thunderproducts.com/dial_a_jet.htm (http://www.thunderproducts.com/dial_a_jet.htm) product and still could never get it to run as well as stock. But I'm thinking FI might make the difference. Does yours do the decel popping? The VTX did it bad. I blocked the pair valves which improved it greatly but did not eliminate it. If I do it I will probably send my ECU back to Ghul for another re-flash.
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Mine works just fine with the Area P slip on. No issues at all.
No add on fuel gadgets with my Area P either, bike runs great!
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Yup that's why I will probably eventually do it. The other 2 bikes were carbureted. One was a Valkyrie with 6 carbs and changing jets on that was a bitch. But the other was a VTX with a single carb easy to work on. I tried many different jets. I even tried a dial-a-jet http://www.thunderproducts.com/dial_a_jet.htm (http://www.thunderproducts.com/dial_a_jet.htm) product and still could never get it to run as well as stock. But I'm thinking FI might make the difference. Does yours do the decel popping? The VTX did it bad. I blocked the pair valves which improved it greatly but did not eliminate it. If I do it I will probably send my ECU back to Ghul for another re-flash.
I do get some minimal popping sometimes on closed throttle decel... Very minimal. I don't know if there is a map that completely rids it, but its soooo smooth way down low in the rpms in any gear that i'll take the minor popping here and there for the perfection everywhere else.
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I do get some minimal popping sometimes on closed throttle decel... Very minimal. I don't know if there is a map that completely rids it, but its soooo smooth way down low in the rpms in any gear that i'll take the minor popping here and there for the perfection everywhere else.
I do love the popping sound when decelerating: I would never attempt in any way to get rid of them! :thumbs:
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I do love the popping sound when decelerating: I would never attempt in any way to get rid of them! :thumbs:
+1 ;) I pluged that grey hose to get rid of most of the noise ( other riders unhappy with noise but now it's just right)
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Had a stock pipe on my last bike all 14 years, first one to do that. Liked the fact that this bike was nice and quiet also but, that pipe is not the most attractive or light feat of engineering. Decided to get a slip on for looks, weight and sound. Delkevic seems to fit the bill. Not too loud, 13 lbs. lighter and looks way better than stock. Not willing to spend a huge amount on a pipe for what equates to a vanity purchase. I'm happy with it so far.
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I am considering a slip on and a Guhl reflash. I want the slip on for weight loss and power gain. I do NOT want louder. If I want loud, I wil ride my FZ1 with a Yosh CF, it makes heavenly sounds. AreaP shows very nice dyno charts. It's very expensive!!
Is it a bolt on? I.E, no remapping required? What about the combination of the Guhl and the AreaP?
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Remus Okami here.. No different n construction from the Hexacone, but composite end cap rather than carbon.. Pretty quiet even with the baffle out 8)
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I am considering a slip on and a Guhl reflash. I want the slip on for weight loss and power gain. I do NOT want louder. If I want loud, I wil ride my FZ1 with a Yosh CF, it makes heavenly sounds. AreaP shows very nice dyno charts. It's very expensive!!
Is it a bolt on? I.E, no remapping required? What about the combination of the Guhl and the AreaP?
Area P is not expensive at when compared to the majority of units out there available, but you do get what you pay for sometimes. It is a slip on, comes with a new mid pipe that replaces the enormous and heavy stock unit. No remapping of any kind is needed, and the Area P is very quiet compared to most.
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I am considering a slip on and a Guhl reflash. I want the slip on for weight loss and power gain. I do NOT want louder. If I want loud, I wil ride my FZ1 with a Yosh CF, it makes heavenly sounds. AreaP shows very nice dyno charts. It's very expensive!!
If you think a possible ~2% power increase and ~2% weight loss is worth the effort and expense of muffler replacement (and likelihood that it will increase the noise-very likely) then go for it. But the Guhl flash will make all the difference that matters, however. Maybe some day I will do it too....
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The reflash or the noisy muffler replacement?
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The reflash or the noisy muffler replacement?
I vote for both! :thumbs:
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I vote for both! :thumbs:
concur :thumbs: do it Max
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Between the catalytic converter thread and this one, I am dwelling on an area P full re-pipe with a power commander. Next year I'll be doing a lot of riding.. I'll have a 2 hour commute. I am looking to clean up the rps and get a little better gas mileage.
It's a rather expensive system. The last time I did something lie this (to a honda shadow) it completely ruined teh performance and i had to return it to stock again.
Input from the peanut gallery??
Snype
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:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: as you can see we only have a popcorn gallery.
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I'm a fan of the flash because it does NOT mess with Traction control and like I've said with four different sizes of reducers you can get a quiet bike . The cats do help reduce the sound also add restriction, I believe I have the best of both with the ZX cat free headers and the smallest Power tip Two Brothers makes . The great thing about the ZX headers you can buy them CHEAP , lots of the ZX crew spend the big $$2,000 on the Brock exhaust and don't need or want their factory junk ;) I wish we could have a real life Go Pro Y tube clip to show the REAL life sound and power difference , I'm here ready If anyone ever comes by Naples Fl.
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Between the catalytic converter thread and this one, I am dwelling on an area P full re-pipe with a power commander. Next year I'll be doing a lot of riding.. I'll have a 2 hour commute. I am looking to clean up the rps and get a little better gas mileage.
It's a rather expensive system. The last time I did something lie this (to a honda shadow) it completely ruined teh performance and i had to return it to stock again.
Input from the peanut gallery??
Snype
You actually tried that on a Honda Shadow? :o