Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Riverszzr on March 19, 2013, 01:40:06 PM
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I read through the 13 pages of discussion on this.
While you can't get a group buy discount, I imagine I can offer up part of my dealer discount.
Details;
Send the ecu to me directly, I will send the lot of them (5 or more preffered) directly to Guhl
Ecu will be shipped directly back to you
Expected turn around time to be less than 1 week total, most of that time will be in the shipping.
Deal, atleast 5 ecu's and I will do it at -price removed-, send an email or pm- You only pay the shipping to get it here.
Write your name and number clearly on the ecu, include all the details of name, address, phone, year, make, model and what you want accomplished on a seperate paper taped securely to your ecu....
GUHL will still be calling you on specifics once they arrive, but this way there is no mix ups and you thought ahead of time on what exactly your goals are and what you want done.
This can be for other model bikes other than the C-14 (although they are still working on Honda compatability at this time, so no Honda's. But many newer Kaw,Suz and Yam Guhl is ready for)
And so I am not more of a middleman than saving you guys some cash and doing some packaging, please call Guhl directly with the questions if you have them.
Guhl Motors
4126 Oregon Pike
Ephrata, PA
17522
(717) 618 4212
www.guhlmotors.com (http://www.guhlmotors.com)
There are some youtube videos up with the zx10 and zx14 before and after runs, showing the secondary flies shutting back down to about 66% at redline and ignition timing retarding up there too. Keeping those open and deleting that timing retard makes huge difference on both of those bikes. The C-14 will get gains up top as well, but I don't have a dyno run map of before and after to show anything factual on that. (Thus the do your homework and talk to Guhl motors yourself please.)
2011 ZX10R Guhl Motors ECU Reflash.mp4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjX_vNgRdek#ws)
2011 ZX10R 6th gear on the dyno with Guhl Motors ECU flash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XywVdeo4UfY#)
2011 ZX10R 6th gear on the dyno Dynotronics vs Guhl Motors ecu flash test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwmUeNlZ2Yg#)
Riverszzr.webs.com
Lloyd Rivers
Lloyd's Motorcycle Performance Center
My cost doesn't change regardless of how many go at a time, so if 20 people want the deal or if 2 people want the deal it costs me the same. The big difference is my time spent facilitating this.
I will send them in as soon as I get them, as I said I would prefer to send boxes of 5 at a time, but will do more or less as needed. The shipping cost nearly identical for one or for five, so to not eat the minimal profit left, I prefer to send more than less.
I would think given the interest peaked in the other thread, 5 shouldn't be an issue at all and those interested could get them here (Minnesota) by weeks end.
Email me directly Riverszzr@yahoo.com if you have more questions of me, I will answer everything I can.
Lloyd
updated without price....email me or pm me on pricing
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http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=12672.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=12672.0)
Link to the other Guhl reflash thread on this forum and here is yet another
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=12544.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=12544.0)
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This is interesting , so now I understand why he does not want to do a group buy , he would be screwing his dealers!
I stopped in the local bike shop here asking about putting my bike on his Dyno after I had the Guhl flash, I said he could send my ECU in so he could make a little money, he said he Guhl did dot give a discount to anyone even dealers which I thought was wierd???
BUT when I told him I was sending my ECU in he about begged me to let him send it in????
I wondered why he wanted to be bothered , since he was not making any money?
Well I guess I was lied to >:( I don't like being lied to. I guess I'll find someone else to work on my bike , My next door neighbor has a HD shop only and said he heard story's and told me to be careful. I guess he was right .
Trust is something that is earned over a period of time
but destroyed in seconds.
You sound like a Great Guy too late for me.
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Nobody interested?
I can see why group buys rarely work out...
I think group buys work but you're new here like I am & until people get to know you they might think twice about a group buy.
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yeah.
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+2
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Nobody interested?
I can see why group buys rarely work out...
Actually they do work out, but we don't know you. As one of the admins here, I do appreciate the offer and some might take you up on it but you just popped up so to speak. If you would have had a track record of sorts here it might have been different.
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Nobody interested?
I can see why group buys rarely work out...
We've had great success with group buys here. But as others have said, you have 4 posts here and although you might be a great guy and all that, how are we to know this? No one means to hurt your feelings so don't take it that way. Thanks for the offer though.
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If people don't take you up on this I guess they want to pay full price???
I would have called you right away but mine is already done at the $375. price!
I don't get it.
I know on the boat racing forums I'm on, most Dealers don't post only read ??
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If people don't take you up on this I guess they want to pay full price???
Well, as mentioned before, it really is a matter of trust. Some people might take the chance, but an ECU is very expensive, and the bike is completely useless without it. It is only natural that people are going to be cautious/conservative regarding that item, but most especially with someone new/unknown to the group.
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I just got mine back from Guhl last week so i am out!
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Nobody interested?
I can see why group buys rarely work out...
I would have been interested but I already got it done.
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I can certainly understand being cautious.
plus I can also understand this forum is likely more well off people and not "kids" riding around broke on broken stuff living barely paycheck to paycheck or far in debt, afterall most of you are riding a C14 and that isn't a poor boys/girls bike (try to be gender nuetral...lol). So ~$50~ savings may be little to a vast majority fo members?
I am not duping anyone on this, of course that is what everyone would say... But there is the reason I posted up my business name, website, real name, my screen name is the same on many forums etc.... I do have a couple customers with C14's and thus the alertment to the thread of your group buy deal.
As for the comment that dealers usually don't post, rather they just read..........True, but it has been a long cold and snowy winter here in MN and work is only trickling in, so I have some "free" time for a few more weeks apparently until the weather turns.
No offense taken by your lack of participation, just a little suprised that nobody even sent an email or pm. On another note my website hits went up by about a dozen the immediate 2 days after this post, so somebodies were a little interested in who I am.
If I could offer the deal and have you send direct to GUHL I would have, but I don't get any dealer discount if it doesn't come straight from me....Other than that shipping snag-it is exactly the same as you sending it in yourself directly, well there is that $ savings.
Anyways, nothing ventured nothing gained. I gave it an effort, figured since I have 2 others to send in early next week this was worth a shot.
Lloyd
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Anyways, nothing ventured nothing gained. I gave it an effort, figured since I have 2 others to send in early next week this was worth a shot.
True! We appreciate the offer, regardless :) Plus, now you will start building a history here, too ;)
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I'm in, e-mailed.
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I can certainly understand being cautious.
plus I can also understand this forum is likely more well off people and not "kids" riding around broke on broken stuff living barely paycheck to paycheck or far in debt, afterall most of you are riding a C14 and that isn't a poor boys/girls bike (try to be gender nuetral...lol). So ~$50~ savings may be little to a vast majority fo members?
I am not duping anyone on this, of course that is what everyone would say... But there is the reason I posted up my business name, website, real name, my screen name is the same on many forums etc.... I do have a couple customers with C14's and thus the alertment to the thread of your group buy deal.
As for the comment that dealers usually don't post, rather they just read..........True, but it has been a long cold and snowy winter here in MN and work is only trickling in, so I have some "free" time for a few more weeks apparently until the weather turns.
No offense taken by your lack of participation, just a little suprised that nobody even sent an email or pm. On another note my website hits went up by about a dozen the immediate 2 days after this post, so somebodies were a little interested in who I am.
If I could offer the deal and have you send direct to GUHL I would have, but I don't get any dealer discount if it doesn't come straight from me....Other than that shipping snag-it is exactly the same as you sending it in yourself directly, well there is that $ savings.
Anyways, nothing ventured nothing gained. I gave it an effort, figured since I have 2 others to send in early next week this was worth a shot.
Lloyd
If you have a couple of customers who are members of this forum, having them speak up for you would go a long way me thinks.
I'll admit that I was one who took a look at your website.
And you're right. I don't think that for the great majority of the guys here that ~$50~ one way or the other isn't going to make or break anyone. Still, for the most part we are a frugal bunch.
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They could be lurkers for all I know. The one just sent me the link and suggested I post in it and try to make a few bucks and offer a deal that nobody was offering.
The other guy I am pretty sure has an account here (he sent me a link to a thread about 2 years ago that I looked at) but not sure what his screen name is.
If they are on here, I am sure they will find this and post something.
One of the members on here has sent his ecu out to me today, I should see it Monday, they are going in to GUHL Tuesday, perhaps he will post up when he gets it back.
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One of the members on here has sent his ecu out to me today, I should see it Monday, they are going in to GUHL Tuesday, perhaps he will post up when he gets it back.
That's me! And I will do.
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Hey new guy, welcome and way to jump in with both feet.
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Lloyd has been a member of the club I belong to, MSTA, AKA HSTA, for several years and he has an excellent reputation with us. I have never had any work done by him but that is ONLY because we are about 900 miles apart. When it was time for my second valve adjustment and sync I actually made plans to ride up to Wisconsin and get him to do it but the logistics and my time constraints just did not work out. (Wife talked me into going to New England instead.) I have had conversations with Lloyd via PM on the MSTA forum and he has always been responsive and helpful.
My flies are already out and I have a PC5 and quite content, otherwise I would probably get in on this deal.
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Thanks for the endorsement, lather. What's all the letters stand for?
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MSTA
Motorcycle Sport Touring Association
formerly HSTA, Honda Sport Touring Association..but some thought it was only for Honda's
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Honda Sport Touring Association..but some thought it was only for Hondas
Silly people, thinking that a Honda Association was for Hondas!
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Silly people, thinking that a Honda Association was for Hondas!
When the club was started in 1982 it was the Honda V45 Sport Touring Association, open to owners of Sabres and Magnas with the 750 and 1100 V-4 motors introduced that year. A few years later Honda discontinued the Sabre (and maybe the Magna too?) so we had to open the club to other models. By the time Yamaha came out with the FJR and Kawasaki the Concours 14 and of cours the Beemers were there all along a lot of us felt the Honda name was keeping many sport tourers away. Despite many HARD CORE Honda Forever types, the membership eventually voted to change the name. As for me I have been a member since 82 but pretty much a Kawi rider since 84 although I have also owned a 99 VFR800 for 12 happy years and still do.
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ECU's on their way to GUHL.
Should see them Wednesday, with a direct shipment back to "manofmanygts" should have him riding Friday.
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Silly people, thinking that a Honda Association was for Hondas!
Perhaps I should have clarified;
As long as I have been a member of HSTA it allowed other makes. The "Honda" naming made some think it was for Honda riders only, despite many BMW,Yamaha and Kawasaki owners being members.
To me the name change made sense.
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Got my ECU today after a little snafu on the part of Guhl, but nothing major. As far as the dealer goes, Lloyd was great. Awesome communication, easy payment with Paypal, and he was there with the little snafu. I highly recommend that if the deal is still being offered, its totally worth it. Save some money, and go through Mr. Rivers.
As far as the tune goes, it does make a difference. Huge improvement with low end grunt, and I do feel a little more with mid range. Not really sure about any improvements with top end power because I only rode it around for a bout 20 minutes or so. But that's ok because I was really only looking for low end grunt, and this tune delivers. Just as a note, I also installed the BMC race air filter and V&H slip-on at the same time but I doubt that they are contributing to much if any of the felt results.
A- mod from an A+ dealer!
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It is worth it for sure .
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Thanks Wayne. I am glad it finally got to you.
Here is the deal, 3 ecu's were sent, 2 of them were done last Wednesday and the other was locked with a different password....someone else has been in it and changed it. So I had to contact that customer and figure what to do in the meantime I thought Waynes was being sent back to him directly last week.
For whatever reason it wasn't and it took my other customer a couple days to decide to buy an ebay ecu to reflash and for that ecu to get to Guhl. Don was good, but something went amiss in the communication last week about getting Waynes back to him asap and it wasn't shipped until Monday, which I didn't find out until Monday.
Don immediately shipped that one directly to Wayne and as you see he recieved it today... I had expected and hoped he would have had it last Friday, but as with plans, sometimes they go amiss.
My apologies to Wayne for the delay and a few missed days of riding, SC weather is likely far better than the teens we are seeing here in the am and 40ish daytime highs.
Lloyd
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and the other was locked with a different password....someone else has been in it and changed it.
Password?
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So the ecu is password protected from the factory? The guy that owned this one didn't know someone had been inside his ecu? Any random ecu off ebay will work?
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The other Guy that was doing a flash service is NO longer doing so, I called him a while back, said send it to Guhl .
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Password?
Yes the ECU requires a password to sync up and allow you to be able to make changes...
So the ecu is password protected from the factory? The guy that owned this one didn't know someone had been inside his ecu? Any random ecu off ebay will work?
No he did not, that said it was not a C14, it was a ZX6R, 2012~ not from any forum member....and yes an ECU from the same model bike (sometimes the same year is required sometimes not)from EBAY (or anywhere as long as it is good) would work
The other Guy that was doing a flash service is NO longer doing so, I called him a while back, said send it to Guhl .
Don may know the password that this person used or be able to get it, but without it there are far too many available combinations that it would be like trying to win the lottery to get into it....I would call Don first and let him know what your up against or ask the previous flasher for his password
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As far as I know this is the first time that we've heard of the ECU being password protected.
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Never thought to ask. The only ones who'd know is them that's been in it.
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As far as I know this is the first time that we've heard of the ECU being password protected.
Exactly. Now we are all curious as to how that works. There is a master password for all of them? If they are individualized, then how does Guhl access them? How does the dealer? Secret back door? Maybe something based on the VIN?
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Industry secret....lol
I don't flash them so my understanding (and I could be wrong) is that Kawasaki uses just one master password for all their ecu's (or atleast all their ones made by each ecu manufacturer, since they do use a couple different brands) You can then change the password once your in.
I imagine that Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki are similarly done.
How someone originally attains said password, ??? Dealer may or may not give it to you ???
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Perhaps I should have clarified;
As long as I have been a member of HSTA it allowed other makes. The "Honda" naming made some think it was for Honda riders only, despite many BMW,Yamaha and Kawasaki owners being members.
To me the name change made sense.
Here is a vidoe clip from Speedvision circa 1999? Pretty much explains HSTA/MSTA transition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5_fI1dDmB8&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5_fI1dDmB8&feature=player_embedded#)!
Plus a little bump in case others are interested in the reflash...
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Glad it worked out, sounds like a good deal on a good mod.
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I simple bump since a couple people have managed to find this thread in the past few days and contact me...
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Howdy Everybody,
I just got my ECU back and been riding everyday since. I like the Guhl reflash, worked out great for me. I want to thank Lloyd aka riverszzr for a no hassle smooth transaction.
Thanks again.
J.
PS anyone on the fence needs to jump on this deal.
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So I see GUHL re=flash has become a popular topic once again...
Here is a bump for a continued effort on saving a few people some cash...
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So here is a springtime bump for anyone interested...
Oh Canada has sent one this past week and it is on its way back, perhaps Jamey will chime in on how he likes it once the snow is gone and he gets some time to run it through its paces.
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Thanks for the bump..
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So the ecu is password protected from the factory? The guy that owned this one didn't know someone had been inside his ecu? Any random ecu off ebay will work?
Hey gPink,
Yes they are password protected. Any ECU off Ebay will work, but keep in mind that if you install a different ECU in a C14, that it's not a plug-N-play deal like many other bikes...the "new" ECU has to be registered in the KiPass ECU by a Kawasaki dealer.
There are different C14 ECU's as well...so you have to pick the correct part number ECU for your model.
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had mine re-flashed a few weeks back, but the weather blows goats so no miles yet. looking forward to trying it out though.
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So here is a springtime bump for anyone interested...
Oh Canada has sent one this past week and it is on its way back, perhaps Jamey will chime in on how he likes it once the snow is gone and he gets some time to run it through its paces.
It's true, lots of snow and ice so no riding yet. I can't speak for the ECU Guhl re-flash part of it except to say that I don't think Don Guhl's warming charm will win anyone over. He seemed to know his stuff but was very short and didn't seem to have time for me...HOWEVER I don't really care becasue I'm not asking him to be anything but smart with motorcycles...I just wouldnt hire him as a walmart greeter ::)
As for the outstanding communication and plesant expereince I've had with Lloyd (Riverszzr) I have nothing but good things to say!!
I don't think I need to talk about the Guhl re-flash due to so many folks already writing about it and how great it is but I want to say that Lloyd has been fantastic. Due to the fact that I live in a foreign country and for that reason FedEx and UPS want to charge me half a month salary to ship things I asked Lloyd if he would help me out. I've been very happy with his service and if anyone is still hessitant (he seemed to get a hard time at the beginning) then you need to believe me and just drop him a line.
Many thanks to Lloyd and all his help, seemless transitions between him and Guhl so if he saves anyone $50 and still provides great service then whats not to love??
Trust me, I'm Canadian... 8)
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It's true, lots of snow and ice so no riding yet. I can't speak for the ECU Guhl re-flash part of it except to say that I don't think Don Guhl's warming charm will win anyone over. He seemed to know his stuff but was very short and didn't seem to have time for me...HOWEVER I don't really care becasue I'm not asking him to be anything but smart with motorcycles...I just wouldnt hire him as a walmart greeter ::)
As for the outstanding communication and plesant expereince I've had with Lloyd (Riverszzr) I have nothing but good things to say!!
I don't think I need to talk about the Guhl re-flash due to so many folks already writing about it and how great it is but I want to say that Lloyd has been fantastic. Due to the fact that I live in a foreign country and for that reason FedEx and UPS want to charge me half a month salary to ship things I asked Lloyd if he would help me out. I've been very happy with his service and if anyone is still hessitant (he seemed to get a hard time at the beginning) then you need to believe me and just drop him a line.
Many thanks to Lloyd and all his help, seemless transitions between him and Guhl so if he saves anyone $50 and still provides great service then whats not to love??
Trust me, I'm Canadian... 8)
Canada is a foreign country? Who knew? ;)
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Canada is a foreign country? Who knew? ;)
Isn't that where geese live in the summer?
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Isn't that where geese live in the summer?
Yep, they have that good bacon there too.
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Isn't that where geese live in the summer?
YES! We feed them maple syrup and back bacon all summer to fatten them up, then send them off to the southern States for the winter where they leave German Sheppard sized turds all over your beautiful city parks;). They are beautiful though, aren't they?...lol.
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I hate geese of all nationalities.
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Canada, let's see...beer, bacon, hockey, geese, endless winter and that little talentless **** Bieber. Well, 3 out of 6 ain't bad, eh? But, Toronto is the best.
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Canada, let's see...beer, bacon, hockey, geese, endless winter and that little talentless **** Bieber. Well, 3 out of 6 ain't bad, eh? But, Toronto is the best.
You forgot to put Rush in with the good stuff!
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You forgot to put Rush in with the good stuff!
:thumbs: +1
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Minnesota just got another dumping of snow and another week long helping of more cold, but Canada should soon have another properly running Connie as the ECU is on its way back.
Thanks Jamey, I hope your weather gets nice enough to ride it soon.
Now about those geese, hockey players and maple syrup. Well 1 out of three I enjoy shooting and 1 I enjoy on my waffles, the other I just don't give any thought.
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Is there a reason this thread can't just have a price for a reflash per bike? I have read so much on this, but the price. Just curious.
Yes there is.
Someone called up GUHL and bitched when I had the price in the original post.
I'll pm you the price
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Yes there is.
Someone called up GUHL and bitched when I had the price in the original post.
I'll pm you the price
LOL! That is not at all the response I expected to see when he asked the question. But I guess it makes sense. Distributors are usually not supposed to "advertise" pricing if it competes directly from the supplier (in cases where the manufacturer/supplier also sells directly). I wonder if it was another Guhl reseller...
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Bump for any more interest...
And since we are still getting cold and snow...a trip into the woods this morning was in order
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Can a ZX-14R ECU get in on this? If so, please let me know the price.
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PM sent
thanx
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PM sent.
Thank you!
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had mine re-flashed, amazing change!!! under 6k it pulls like a lower gear, adds so much to the performance of the bike,
most days i'm in the twisties in say 4th - od, lower rpms under 6k most all the time, the flash is an amazing change in that range.
Now if your tac is always pointed north this might not do much.
i did the flash after 61k miles, so i for sure know the change is not in my head. (4k miles ridden on it since)
(also flashed for a cs-1 installed at the same time)
great dealer at a great price !!!
:chugbeer:
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Replies sent
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i did the flash after 61k miles, so i for sure know the change is not in my head.
Oh, it most certainly is not "in your head"... the change is very noticeable.