Kawasaki Concours Forum
Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: Conrad on January 11, 2013, 10:31:39 AM
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Steps that may save someone's life.
Lot's of pirates in the video but the steps you may need to take apply to anyone who rides.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siNMuMgvfpI&feature=player_embedded# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siNMuMgvfpI&feature=player_embedded#)!
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Very appropriate since they seem to be the types wrecking the most. ;D
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Trudat and in most cases you won't have to worry about wondering if you have to remove their helmet or not.
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Trudat and in most cases you won't have to worry about wondering if you have to remove their helmet or not.
:rotflmao:
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It could be just as dangerous to remove their little doo-raggie things.
Sorry, shouldn't have said that, being stereotypical... my kids tell me that's bad.
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yeah but those pirate types are always in control and FAST (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/sidecarcornering.jpg)
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It could be just as dangerous to remove their little doo-raggie things.
Sorry, shouldn't have said that, being stereotypical... my kids tell me that's bad.
That's OK. When I wore a doo-rag I laughed at you guys wearing helmets.
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Very appropriate since they seem to be the types wrecking the most. ;D
Really? Way more sport bike riders than cruiser riders reporting going down on the various forums I frequent.
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Really? Way more sport bike riders than cruiser riders reporting going down on the various forums I frequent.
Funny how you just responded to my post. And riding around where I live, I see cruisers going down the most AND getting more serious injuries due to little to no gear. Riding on the BRP, I have only seen cruisers going down. Poker runs.....once again cruisers going down. You are not a cruiser only kind of guy, but many out there are and have very poor riding skills in comparison to other riders of various other flavors.
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Funny how you just responded to my post. And riding around where I live, I see cruisers going down the most AND getting more serious injuries due to little to no gear. Riding on the BRP, I have only seen cruisers going down. Poker runs.....once again cruisers going down. You are not a cruiser only kind of guy, but many out there are and have very poor riding skills in comparison to other riders of various other flavors.
A guess a lot of the cruiser riders in your area aren't enthusiasts who participate in motorcycle forums. I agree that a lot of cruiser riders lacke skill, training, and a firm grasp on the reality of the dangers of riding. Of course there are many times more cruiser riders on the road at any given moment (if the sun is out and it is warm) than all the other types of bikes combined.
The other factor is that it takes more skill to ride a cruiser than most other style of bikes.
I was just reporting on what I observed from the various forums I frequent. Your observations differ, but you are also in an area where the demographic of cruiser rider is different than my area.
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Ever think that theres more cruiser type bikes on the road than anything else. Look at the sales numbers and marketing trends. Cruiser type bikes outsell everything here, hence, more of them on the roads. Not very scientific on my part, just my observations, I could be wrong.
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A guess a lot of the cruiser riders in your area aren't enthusiasts who participate in motorcycle forums. I agree that a lot of cruiser riders lacke skill, training, and a firm grasp on the reality of the dangers of riding. Of course there are many times more cruiser riders on the road at any given moment (if the sun is out and it is warm) than all the other types of bikes combined.
The other factor is that it takes more skill to ride a cruiser than most other style of bikes.
I was just reporting on what I observed from the various forums I frequent. Your observations differ, but you are also in an area where the demographic of cruiser rider is different than my area.
I don't understand this statement.
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I don't understand this statement.
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I don't either for 3 reasons.
1) I've ridden both types
2) I take the MSF advanced course every few years and have done a police class - The cruisers go through the slow obstacles easier than anything else, sport bikes won' roll at the speed of a rock well while maneuvering
3) cruisers only go the speed of rock anyway
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That's OK. When I wore a doo-rag I laughed at you guys wearing helmets.
^^^^thats just funny right there! (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
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I don't understand this statement.
Cruisers typically have budget suspension, feel hinged in the middle when leaned over, weight of the rider solidly on the seat. If you run the curves at 60 MPH on a cruiser and at 60 MPH or a sport, standard, dual sport, adventure, or supersport, it will take more skill to run those curves on a cruiser. You can't adjust your line as easily, and god forbid if you back tire breaks loose while all your weight is on the seat.
I run the same roads on all my bikes and doing so on the sporty bikes takes so much less effort.
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I don't either for 3 reasons.
1) I've ridden both types
2) I take the MSF advanced course every few years and have done a police class - The cruisers go through the slow obstacles easier than anything else, sport bikes won' roll at the speed of a rock well while maneuvering
3) cruisers only go the speed of rock anyway
I've taken the advanced MSF course on a dual sport, touring, and cruiser bike. The dual sport performed the best. DRZ400S with 80/20 tires.
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The standard for cruiser riders, exceptions to the rule noted, is riding five miles under the speed limit in packs to close to pass while braking at the slightest hint of a curve. Not much in the way of skill required unless the dog paddle at stops counts.
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twowheel, thats interesting, I never knew that, but then I never really rode a cruiser type bike before, glad to know it though, thanks.
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I've taken the advanced MSF course on a dual sport, touring, and cruiser bike. The dual sport performed the best. DRZ400S with 80/20 tires.
I had a dual sport and never taken it through the MSF advanced course. Interesting, I hadn't even thought about that
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Cruisers typically have budget suspension, feel hinged in the middle when leaned over, weight of the rider solidly on the seat. If you run the curves at 60 MPH on a cruiser and at 60 MPH or a sport, standard, dual sport, adventure, or supersport, it will take more skill to run those curves on a cruiser. You can't adjust your line as easily, and god forbid if you back tire breaks loose while all your weight is on the seat.
I run the same roads on all my bikes and doing so on the sporty bikes takes so much less effort.
Well of course that is true, but a bit like showing up for a gunfight with a knife. Like I mentioned before, you are not the typical cruiser owner/rider due to the fact that you can and do ride and own other types of bikes. You already have skill on other better handling bikes, which allows you to really work the big ole cruisers easier than others which do not. Too many cruiser guys and gals are myopic, and that does them no favors when the roads begin to twist. Subpar braking and suspension on heavy ass bikes doesn't sound like fun to me, however they are quite comfy when lumbering along.
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Well of course that is true, but a bit like showing up for a gunfight with a knife. Like I mentioned before, you are not the typical cruiser owner/rider due to the fact that you can and do ride and own other types of bikes. You already have skill on other better handling bikes, which allows you to really work the big ole cruisers easier than others which do not. Too many cruiser guys and gals are myopic, and that does them no favors when the roads begin to twist. Subpar braking and suspension on heavy ass bikes doesn't sound like fun to me, however they are quite comfy when lumbering along.
Funny thing is that the two times I got caught speeding, I was on my Voyager. 26 over the speed limit on a mountain pass. Oops. Went to defensive driving school to keep the points off.
What I tell my friends who ride sport bikes exclusively is that I can have a blast 20 over the speed limit on my cruiser where they have to double the speed limit to experience the same rush of adrenaline and extreme concentration.
I do agree though that there are those who ride bikes no better than the distracted cagers out there. They let themselves get into dangerous situations which increases their risk. Around here helmets, boots and eye protection are required. I see more FF helmeted cruiser riders here than the average I'm sure.
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Crash Test Dummies.... :popcorn:
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http://youtu.be/ihUIPlLw2ZE (http://youtu.be/ihUIPlLw2ZE)
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- will comment since i have both styles of bikes (a FLSTC and the C14).
- the C14 is simply (far and away) a better handling and safer bike , at any speed , compared to the Harley. The combination of good ABS'ed brakes and traction control, decent suspension and good rubber all conspire to assist the rider to make that corner or change that line , or do that velocity or bring the speed down safely/quickly.
- the FLSTC , on the other hand , will conspire to send you into the weeds if you even try to do the same speeds or lines which you wouldn't even notice as being out of the ordinary on the C14.
- braking is poor , handling is poor , heaven forbid if you hit some mid-corner undulations with the Hd , you'd thing that there was an extra sprung swingarm in the middle of the bike. The front end does its thing, the rear does it own thing , you just hang the hell on.
- i also cannot understand the comment earlier that cruiser riders are "more skilled". I bought the FLSTC first (had her for 5 years) and then bought the C14. I learned more on the C14 in 6 months about how to ride properly than the entire 5 years I had on the FLSTC.
- the difference in handling/performance and skill levels required on both bikes are so far apart that I would question anyone who even thinks that a rider on a cruiser is necessarily more "skilled". Maybe more skilled in grinding floorboards and praying hard as the bike inches past the trailer in an overtake ... perhaps, but surely not a more complete rider.
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yeah but those pirate types are always in control and FAST (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/sidecarcornering.jpg)
Actually "flying the chair" is a skill that any sidecar operator needs to master in order to stay in control.... That and my grand kids absolutely loved it!
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T Cro,
I actually would like to have a sidecar bike, I'm jealous if you ride one. But perhaps a URAL brand, or Triumph, BMW, even a Royal Enfield. But NOT a Harley for me.
The Isle of Man side car racing is awesome! (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
(http://images.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/isle-of-man-tt1.jpg)
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... I actually would like to have a sidecar bike, I'm jealous if you ride one. But perhaps a URAL brand, or Triumph, BMW, even a Royal Enfield. But NOT a Harley for me.
Got rid of this last year; bought it back in 03ish... Really liked it but it just collected more dust than miles. I'll get something else to take it's odd place soon but it just might be an HD....
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- will comment since i have both styles of bikes (a FLSTC and the C14).
- i also cannot understand the comment earlier that cruiser riders are "more skilled". I bought the FLSTC first (had her for 5 years) and then bought the C14. I learned more on the C14 in 6 months about how to ride properly than the entire 5 years I had on the FLSTC.
- the difference in handling/performance and skill levels required on both bikes are so far apart that I would question anyone who even thinks that a rider on a cruiser is necessarily more "skilled". Maybe more skilled in grinding floorboards and praying hard as the bike inches past the trailer in an overtake ... perhaps, but surely not a more complete rider.
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I never said a cruiser rider is more skilled.
I said:
The other factor is that it takes more skill to ride a cruiser than most other style of bikes.
I guess I should have followed up with safely, or at the same pace. You yourself demonstrated that it takes more skill to ride a cruiser than the C14.
I guess that is why people typically see cruiser riders going slower than they would expect them to go. Because they lack the skill to up the pace.
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Don't know why people feel they have to look down on cruisers .I ride both, and of course a cruiser won't do what sport tourer will do, but it's still a blast ! For me ,ANYTHING on two wheel is a good time !
At rallies , I'll shoot the breeze with anybody that has a head on their shoulders ,and is a bike nut like me. You meet some great folks if you don't pre-judge them by what they ride in on.
And I've seen as many doofuses on sportbikes as on cruisers . Takes all kinds . ;)
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Don't know why people feel they have to look down on cruisers .I ride both, and of course a cruiser won't do what sport tourer will do, but it's still a blast ! For me ,ANYTHING on two wheel is a good time !
At rallies , I'll shoot the breeze with anybody that has a head on their shoulders ,and is a bike nut like me. You meet some great folks if you don't pre-judge them by what they ride in on.
And I've seen as many doofuses on sportbikes as on cruisers . Takes all kinds . ;)
They all bring something different to the table. I feel bad for folks that are stuck on one kind, style, power, etc. They are missing out on other twowheel experiences.