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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: blackmax on November 23, 2012, 06:27:54 PM
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Not sure if I want to spend $1000 on the Schuberth with bluetooth only to find out it's just as noisy as a much less expensive helmet. Thinking Nolan N104 with or without their bluetooth or a Shoei with a Scala or similar set up. any and all suggestions/ experiences would be appreciated. BTW I ride a C-14 with a sport shield 8 months of the year and a v-stream in the winter.
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I just bought a Shoei Neotec a month+ ago and am very pleased with it. :thumbs:
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Know a guy that bought the uber expensive Schuberth, he said it wasnt worth the price. Sold it and got the Shoei Neotec, said it was what he should've gotten in the first place.
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I tried the neotec. I didn't care for it. I have a HJC Sy-Max lll w/ bluetooth capability. Haven't tried it yet. Maybe Santa will bring me something if I've been very good.
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I tried the neotec. I didn't care for it. I have a HJC Sy-Max lll w/ bluetooth capability. Haven't tried it yet. Maybe Santa will bring me something if I've been very good.
Because of your head shape?
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Nolan N-103 with J&M Audio bluetooth. If the wind noise is too bad, turn up the volume on some Aerosmith or AC/DC.
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Not sure if I want to spend $1000 on the Schuberth with bluetooth only to find out it's just as noisy as a much less expensive helmet. Thinking Nolan N104 with or without their bluetooth or a Shoei with a Scala or similar set up. any and all suggestions/ experiences would be appreciated. BTW I ride a C-14 with a sport shield 8 months of the year and a v-stream in the winter.
That $700 helmet is winning every noise test and helmet shootout I've seen yet. The non-modular takes 1st, and modular takes second. I haven't bought one but am about to.
I have a shoei RF-1100 and I USED to be a hardcore "nothing but shoei" type fan.
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Here in San Diego, the BMW dealership has C3 Schuberth's that you can test out. I tried on a Schubert and told the saleman "let me sit down for a couple minutes and see if I get any hotspots". Salesman said "you want to test ride our s1000rr demo bike so you can get a feel for the helmet". I was pressed for time so I didn't go for a ride. The dealership also sold the Shoei Neotec.
Long story short, call your local BMW M/C dealership and ask if they have a C3 Schuberth helmet you can test out
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smoking is a must for me so other than 3-4 full-faces/half-faces, i m on my 3rd flip-up helmet : Shoei Multitec, X-lite N1002 (which is equal to Nolan N-102 for people in the States) and now Neotec. The Nolan is the worst, i think it is the shape of my skull causing the pain on my ears, my neck and my forehead, but the quality of the paint, the foam and the linen is really in no class with the Shoei, and yet it s about the same price with the Multitec. Noise level is the same between Multitec & N1002. I got my Neotec early this year and "wow" was all i could say, it is as quiet as my Shoei RF-1100 and same fit that i get used to. Of course in term of quietness, i cannot compare with Arai full-face like QX stuffs but it s really my favorite.
just my 2 cents
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For what it's worth, I really like my flip-up Scorpion Transformer. It fits my head, holds my bluetooth headset comfortably, and didn't break the bank.
I do still wear earplugs though, but I'd wear them with any helmet.
Jeff
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I wear ear plugs.
I want a helmet with the most ventilation I can get and that is going to come with wind noise. Foam ear plugs cut out the wind noise but still allow me to hear my speakers, traffic, etc even better than without the earplugs in because the wind noise is overpowering.
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smoking is a must for me so other than 3-4 full-faces/half-faces, i m on my 3rd flip-up helmet : Shoei Multitec, X-lite N1002 (which is equal to Nolan N-102 for people in the States) and now Neotec. The Nolan is the worst, i think it is the shape of my skull causing the pain on my ears, my neck and my forehead, but the quality of the paint, the foam and the linen is really in no class with the Shoei, and yet it s about the same price with the Multitec. Noise level is the same between Multitec & N1002. I got my Neotec early this year and "wow" was all i could say, it is as quiet as my Shoei RF-1100 and same fit that i get used to. Of course in term of quietness, i cannot compare with Arai full-face like QX stuffs but it s really my favorite.
just my 2 cents
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Love you smokers, job security for me. :thumbs:
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Love you smokers, job security for me. :thumbs:
Surgeon or mortician?
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Too bad you smoke, I love my Oneil blutooth helmet, it was also cheap, under $200. Fwiw, I have a C14 and took it on a 4000 miles trip, got a little set up on the steering center for my iphone 4s.
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Love you smokers, job security for me. :thumbs:
Surgeon or mortician?
Tobacco company employee?
I like my Scorpion EXO900, so much I bought a second one for my snowmobiles. I was using HJC Symax (first gen) before that, and the EXO900 is way better. I think all helmets will have wind noise, but I have to say I hated the Shoei I had more than any of them.
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Shark Evoline 3 - modular, full face and a smokers dream
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I dont smoke any more but find it amusing a motorcyclist busts on a smoker.
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I dont smoke any more but find it amusing a motorcyclist busts on a smoker.
LOL, yup
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I dont smoke any more but find it amusing a motorcyclist busts on a smoker.
No bust....was being thankful. And what does smoking and being a motorcyclist have to do with eachother? As far as helmets go, the modulars are all pretty darn good, mostly comes down to overall comfort and features. HJC probably makes the overall best for the money, but I am a Shoei guy and am a bit partial I reckon.
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I get it: I am a little slow. I thought you were being like th eother 99.9% on the internet. I apoligize.
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I dont smoke any more but find it amusing a motorcyclist busts on a smoker.
I don't understand this statement. What does one have to do with the other?
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When I decided to get the modular, I went with the Shoei Neotec (silver) after thinking I wanted the Nolan. I tried all of them on, including the Schuberth, which was a very nice helmet. I asked my buddy who has one and even though he liked his Schuberth, he recommended against it as it didn't really exceed the Shoei for the price. I love the Shoei...has the best air flow of any helmet I have owned and I have a nice Arai, but LOVE this Shoei. I also use the Scala G4 with it and it works very nicely.
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I don't understand this statement. What does one have to do with the other?
Really? Smoking and riding goes like peas and carrots. The most simple is that if you participate in one or the other, you have a very realistic increase in decreasing your life span as compared to if you did not. Both are also fun, rebellious, and very useful relaxation devices. Especially if you inhale.
That is just off the top of my head.
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Really? Smoking and riding goes like peas and carrots. The most simple is that if you participate in one or the other, you have a very realistic increase in decreasing your life span as compared to if you did not. Both are also fun, rebellious, and very useful relaxation devices. Especially if you inhale.
That is just off the top of my head.
Smoking is fun and useful for relaxing, have you been to a cancer Hospital lately? Smoking pot can for sure be relaxing "so I hear". Motorcycles are not dangerous IMHO, stupid drivers and stupid riders are. Didn't realize that smoking and riding went hand in hand, matter of fact I find riding with smokers to be a pain in the ass more than not. I must say it does look pretty cool though, especially with one dangling out the mouth of a rider wearing a flip face helmet. 8)
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Smoking pot can for sure be relaxing "so I hear". Motorcycles are not dangerous IMHO, stupid drivers and stupid riders are. Didn't realize that smoking and riding went hand in hand, matter of fact I find riding with smokers to be a pain in the ass more than not. I must say it does look pretty cool though, especially with one dangling out the mouth of a rider wearing a flip face helmet. 8)
I just recently bought a Neotec, I had a hell of a time getting a bong in my Arai while doing 100 mph... ;D ;)
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NOt a cancer hosital, but I have visited a friend laely who was riding along when a drunk hit him: he won't walk or talk ever again, and you can see in his eyes that he has some realization of what is going on. If he had been in a car he'd be alive, if he would not have been wearing full gear (including full leathers) he may have died. I understand that certain peoples superpwers will help them fend that off, but I am no superman.
I don't stop riding.
Should I?
Its a choice thing. Francis needs to lighten up.
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NOt a cancer hosital, but I have visited a friend laely who was riding along when a drunk hit him: he won't walk or talk ever again, and you can see in his eyes that he has some realization of what is going on. If he had been in a car he'd be alive, if he would not have been wearing full gear (including full leathers) he may have died. I understand that certain peoples superpwers will help them fend that off, but I am no superman.
I don't stop riding.
Should I?
Its a choice thing. Francis needs to lighten up.
Sorry to hear about your friend, but how do you know he would not have died if he was in a car? Many people die in car accidents. Head slams into side window and gone.
I don't see how smoking and riding go hand in hand. I want to be as healthy as I can so I can enjoy riding until my body gives out or I get taken out. When I was a kid I would stop by a neighbors house and we would walk to school together. I would hear his Dad hacking every morning. Knew that wasn't for me.
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I have a big round head. Because of head shape Shoei seems to work best. Many years ago when I owned a BMW R100RS I bought a BMW modular, one of the first sold, and I loved it. Suberth made that one.
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Shoei Qwest ( non modular) is a relatively quiet helmet for those of us with rounder head.
I think there is probably a higher correlation with drinking and smoking.
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I have two HJC SY-MAX 3 helmets and I'm happy.
Smoking screws up your WHOLE body, my uncle died two weeks ago , my dad got lung cancer and died .. slow... you should have seen how scared he looked when it metastasized to his brain , small cells break off and flow in the bloodstream and end up in the brain and else where.
I've fired 30 yearold employees because they could not do their job well because they smoked three packs a day, DENIAL is bizarre.
I've been racing boats since 1979 , don't see how anyone can make a comparison .
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I frankly don't understand the whole live for ever thing.
My grand father lived from the oxcart to the 'Man on the moon' landing and twenty years beyond. Had a 'few choice questions' when he got there.
I have no desire to go earlier than reguired, but I smoke, drink, and ride.
NEVER at the same time !! >:(
Ive seen what 100 years old and strong as a bull looks like and have no particular desire to get there.
Therapy session over.... :-X
On topic
Bought a Vemar TC and it's the best fitting helmet on my long oval noggin I've owned.
Squeals like pig on the right side with everything locked down. :'(
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Thank you all for the input. Will be shopping this weekend for my own Christmas gift the local shop usually takes very good care of me with any luck I'll be able to test ride a few helmets. Keep the rubber side down boys !!
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I vote Nolan.. I have gone through several. I now have a bluetooth2 (I hear they are coming out with a bluetooth 3). I can listen to music on my Galaxy Note2, no problem... it even has some MP3 controls built in; that I just discovered. The Battery life is amazing, about 12 hours of music; and it came in really handy when I was blazing across Nevada, when my credit card company called me to let me know my card was charged for gas in 3 states in the same 24 hours...
It auto connects to my GFs helmet when we are 2 up.
Schuerth has it's merits, but it's really heavy and the way the chin retracts leaves your head over weighted. The nolan goes up and back in a way that makes it feel very natural. no other flip up I have tried has that mechanism as clean as Nolan. the cool thing is you can build it as you have money.. you buy the helmet, then the earphone/mic harness that can be used for wires use to you MP3, and then the Bluetooth module.
I don't smoke btw.. but I love the flip up every time I need to sneeze... and I get a great laugh when my friends in full face sneeze <lol>
Snype
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Smoking is fun and useful for relaxing, have you been to a cancer Hospital lately? Smoking pot can for sure be relaxing "so I hear". Motorcycles are not dangerous IMHO, stupid drivers and stupid riders are. Didn't realize that smoking and riding went hand in hand, matter of fact I find riding with smokers to be a pain in the ass more than not. I must say it does look pretty cool though, especially with one dangling out the mouth of a rider wearing a flip face helmet. 8)
well, there must be a reason when God help created cigarette as well as ....bike ;) ;)
I do smoke in the last 25 years and still have no intention to give it up, it s part of my life and i enjoy it. My job related to healthcare, been seeing breathing lungs with black dots all over pink tissue due to cigarettes, been seeing tumor [of others] all over the body under all kind of conditions, been seeing crashed people from cars, boats, bikes, bicycle, walk; been holding dieing friends in hand after their bike crashed, been pointed gun on my own fore-head .....so why i have to give up my joy if we all going to die one day 8) 8) 8). Too bad i cannot see my own riding at 70mph with helmet up and cigarette lighted on the mouth :) :) :)
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As evidenced in the other thread I am currently using the HJC CL-Max II Helmet Zader. Set up for Bluetooth but the Scala G9 has plenty of room in the earpeices for the speakers. It is much (like by a pretty huge margin) quieter than the 2 different Fulmers I have had and more comfy. Pretty cheap at Iron Pony at $143. and has a great seletion of face sheilds. The sheilds are really optically clear and chage out easily ( I hate sunglasses so I pretty much carry a mirrored sheild to wear in the sun.) . Like I said in my limited experience it is the quietest on the bike of the ones I have tried including the first full face helmet I owned but can not remember the make. I make phone calls and folks do not know I am at 70 mph on a bike.....whether that is the helmet of the Cardo wind technology I can't say.
I like my music so with no other basis I have stayed with it but really want something even quieter and think from reading here the full faces may be superior.
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well, there must be a reason when God help created cigarette as well as ....bike ;) ;)
I do smoke in the last 25 years and still have no intention to give it up, it s part of my life and i enjoy it. My job related to healthcare, been seeing breathing lungs with black dots all over pink tissue due to cigarettes, been seeing tumor [of others] all over the body under all kind of conditions, been seeing crashed people from cars, boats, bikes, bicycle, walk; been holding dieing friends in hand after their bike crashed, been pointed gun on my own fore-head .....so why i have to give up my joy if we all going to die one day 8) 8) 8) . Too bad i cannot see my own riding at 70mph with helmet up and cigarette lighted on the mouth :) :) :)
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Life is all about making choices, well most times at least.
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I test fitted the Schuberth and the strap choked my wind pipe. I really wanted the Schuberth to work, but oh well, after fitting a couple of dozen helments, I settled for an Arai RX-Q. This one felt like a glove on my head, no pressure points, snug and felt light. I bought it and rode home (70 miles). Way too noisy! I have to wear ear plugs for any trips longer than 10 miles. I guess I have a block head.
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I dont smoke any more but find it amusing a motorcyclist busts on a smoker.
Roughly 5000 deaths per year involving motorcycles versus 400,000 due to smoking. Not much of a comparison when it comes to risk.
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I test fitted the Schuberth and the strap choked my wind pipe. I really wanted the Schuberth to work, but oh well, after fitting a couple of dozen helments, I settled for an Arai RX-Q. This one felt like a glove on my head, no pressure points, snug and felt light. I bought it and rode home (70 miles). Way too noisy! I have to wear ear plugs for any trips longer than 10 miles. I guess I have a block head.
If it is any consolation, I wear ear plugs with my Neotech because it is loud. I wear them with my Qwest also because I like it.
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I have the Nolan N90 with Nolan Blutooth2.1 and I like everything EXCEPT it is a very noisy helmet.
I'm converting it with a jack for earbuds hooked to the Bluetooth in the helmet.
So, just to stay with the OP's original question, blackmax the Nolan N90 is not what you are looking for.
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I see HJC just came out with a new helmet
RPHA MAX I live in south Fl and my SY-MAX 3 has very good air flow and I like the dark shield flip down when going towards a setting sun, sun glasses are not enough, lot of heat and sun here.
http://youtu.be/AamP-cYBAPU (http://youtu.be/AamP-cYBAPU)
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I'm pretty partial to my Zox Genesis flip up, had it a few years now, and found it was as quiet as anyone elses on the market, and more quiet than a lot of non-flips.
I also like the built in sun-shade goggle flip feature.
http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/motorcycle-helmet/zox-genessis/ (http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/motorcycle-helmet/zox-genessis/)
oh, and I am very cheap. ;D
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I bought the Zox Nevado R 4 years ago, on sale for $92.99, regular price 139.99
It's my wife's helmet, but my back up helmet or when I need to use a modular which is only about 2 or 3 times per year.
Works good overall.
http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/motorcycle-helmet/zox-nevado/ (http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/motorcycle-helmet/zox-nevado/)
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I just recently bought a Neotec, I had a hell of a time getting a bong in my Arai while doing 100 mph... ;D ;)
Hahahaha. How did you keep the water in it??? :thumbs: LOL
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I tried on a Shoei Neo tech this weekend and I must say I was pretty impressed. Of course that probably wouldn't take much since I've always owned helmets from the lower price range. Hawk, THH, Zox, Vega, etc... Compared with these the Shoei was excellent. I guess you really do get what you pay for. I'm still trying to justify spending 6 bills for a helmet. I would like to know if the Neotech is worth the extra $200 over the Multitech. Is it really that much better? I haven't found a local dealer with a multitech to try on so any experience would be helpful.
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I tried on a Shoei Neo tech this weekend and I must say I was pretty impressed. Of course that probably wouldn't take much since I've always owned helmets from the lower price range. Hawk, THH, Zox, Vega, etc... Compared with these the Shoei was excellent. I guess you really do get what you pay for. I'm still trying to justify spending 6 bills for a helmet. I would like to know if the Neotech is worth the extra $200 over the Multitech. Is it really that much better? I haven't found a local dealer with a multitech to try on so any experience would be helpful.
Hi,
I have both Multitec & Neotec, the Neotec is alot quieter, less airflow feeling and feel lighter, also the Neotec seems having more liner parts available than Multitec.
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I'll be taking my G4 off my HJC CL something or other ( fits amazing for such a cheap helmet ) and putting it onto a Neotec. I've been wanting a modular for sometime and this fits the best out of all. And thats what I tell my wife as well. Who by the way wears a Shoei Qwest ( Godess Pink ) that Santa almost had to rob a bank to pay for last Christmas. I'll be ordering mine from Revzilla.
And thats my story ....
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Ended up with a flat black Neotec for $550 fits better than the Multitec, ( I was surprised they didn't fit alike considering they were the same size with the same size cheek pads) I'm very happy with it so far put about 300 miles on it. Could be quieter for the price but fit and finish is 2 steps above my HJC CL-16. I bought a Blinc bluetooth headset that works flawlessly and got second one to give my daughter for Christmas. Thanks for all the input. And Happy Holidays.
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What is the noise factor on this idea?
(http://www.wired.com/design/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/XclS16E5lkqx8XdEjkxp_-GVzh4y_sCWG8NA0F1-fA8-660x439.jpg)
http://www.wired.com/design/2012/12/kranium/ (http://www.wired.com/design/2012/12/kranium/)
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I just bought a Shoei Neotec a month+ ago and am very pleased with it. :thumbs:
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Now riding in south America with my new Neotec and I am very happy with it. Comfortable, quite
and not heavy.
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Tried to go the cheaper route & ordered a Nolan N104. While this appeared to be a good helmet it just did not fit my head well. It was large enough at the top but it was way too narrow at my cheeks and chin. Guess I don't have the right shaped head for it. Also because of where the controls for the VPS shield were I not sure my Scala G9 would have mounted correctly. I sent it back & ordered a Shoei Neotec. I know it fits. I just hope it arrives before Christmas. ;D
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I'm still hesitant on the N104. I have a 23 1/4 inch head which according to the helmet size chart puts me in a large. Well I tried on the large, which folds my ears in half and is really tight around the crown. I went to the XL, and while it fits well, it's a bit loose in the crown. I'm concerned about the padding when it breaks in.
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What is the noise factor on this idea?
(http://www.wired.com/design/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/XclS16E5lkqx8XdEjkxp_-GVzh4y_sCWG8NA0F1-fA8-660x439.jpg)
http://www.wired.com/design/2012/12/kranium/ (http://www.wired.com/design/2012/12/kranium/)
Once again It took someone thinking out side of normal to really make a difference, nice find.
jj
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I have a friend that bought a Schuberth, wore it about 2 months and was disappointed. Bought a Neotec (he can afford it) and wore it about 2 weeks. He is back using the Schuberth. He claims he didn't know how good the Schuberth was, unti he wore the Neotec..
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I have a Neotec and love it. I crashed in it when a bird hit me in the faceshield and knocked me out cold. So I basically got a do over, with the insurance I could buy whatever I wanted. I got the exact same helmet. I sent the 'damaged' Neotec in to get it checked out by Shoei. It passed! Anybody want a Shoei Neotec, white and large for less than half price? See the link below.
The Neotec is the quietest and nicest helmet I have ever owned. It doesn't vent quite as good as the Arai Qwest I had before the Neotec, but I don't have an Arai head and it gave me a headache. Then I totalled the Arai (also replaced by insurance) when I had a flat front tire in a corner on my DR-650, so I got the Neotec the bird hit. I am on my 3rd expensive helmet in a year. Never had a crash till 2012 either, then had 2. The go down with the flat front was a collision claim, the go down with the bird was a comprehensive. The bird had a 4 foot wingspan, it was a black buzzard. That's not me in the picture, I had already left in the ambulance.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8309/8009842048_0a56619684_b.jpg)
Here's the Neotec I have for sale.
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=12220.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=12220.0)
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Still happy with my Neotech, have a related bird story. Nailed a fullsize turkey with my head going on my way to work going about 50 mph just a half mile from my house. Have no idea how it didn't take me off the bike or knock me out. Chin bar gave me a good smack in the jaw though. I got to the station with dirt and feathers stuck in my gear and the guys said WTF happened to you ?! Explained and then took a pic of the turkey that was still dead by the side of the road when I was on my way home. He looked to be about the same size as that buzzard. Damn turkeys still try to kill me every fall ! Must be relatives of the deceased.
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Then I totalled the Arai (also replaced by insurance) when I had a flat front tire in a corner on my DR-650,http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=12220.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=12220.0)
Would like to hear more about that as I have DR-650 and have gotten flats. Any advice on how to avoid what happened to you?
Back on topic, I got a Shoei Hornet DS for my DR-650 adventure rides but I love the extra space in front of my mouth so much I wear it on the C14 as well. Not a flip up but very comfortable and can get a drink from a water bottle without removing the helmet. Also added a pin-lock visor for winter riding and no fogging up.
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On the way home from softball, the front end felt funny. I knew there was something wrong and I tried to make it home. The front was fine when spinning at high rpm with tire flung out from centrifigal force. But when I rolled off the throttle to hit the last corner before home at about 45 mph, the combination of the wheel slowing and the weight transferring to the front totally collapsed the tire. So here I was in a turn and the only thing touching the ground was the right side of the rim. The front end washed IMMEDIATELY, like I rolled off and touched the brakes and was down HARD RIGHT NOW. I got a bunch of road rash and totalled the bike (bought it back and fixed it), ruined the helmet too. Had no serious injuries but was scraped up BAD. Guy showed up in a truck and loaded the bike and gave me a ride home, my friend was already there for another reason and helped unload it. Called my gf and she took me to ER and they scraped the gravel out of me (not as much fun as it sounds). Missed the next day of work (it was Friday). Left 8 days later on a solo 6500 mile trip on my C10. Had to peel the bandages off every night and treat it. Went from Peoria to Glacier NP, Seattle, down 101 to LA, saw the Rock Store, Angeles Crest Highway and a 1090 mile day and an 890 mile day to get home.
Lesson learned is, hitch a ride home and get the truck when the front end is 'funny'.
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On the way home from softball, the front end felt funny. I knew there was something wrong and I tried to make it home. The front was fine when spinning at high rpm with tire flung out from centrifigal force. But when I rolled off the throttle to hit the last corner before home at about 45 mph, the combination of the wheel slowing and the weight transferring to the front totally collapsed the tire. So here I was in a turn and the only thing touching the ground was the right side of the rim. The front end washed IMMEDIATELY, like I rolled off and touched the brakes and was down HARD RIGHT NOW. I got a bunch of road rash and totalled the bike (bought it back and fixed it), ruined the helmet too. Had no serious injuries but was scraped up BAD. Guy showed up in a truck and loaded the bike and gave me a ride home, my friend was already there for another reason and helped unload it. Called my gf and she took me to ER and they scraped the gravel out of me (not as much fun as it sounds). Missed the next day of work (it was Friday). Left 8 days later on a solo 6500 mile trip on my C10. Had to peel the bandages off every night and treat it. Went from Peoria to Glacier NP, Seattle, down 101 to LA, saw the Rock Store, Angeles Crest Highway and a 1090 mile day and an 890 mile day to get home.
Lesson learned is, hitch a ride home and get the truck when the front end is 'funny'.
Thanks for sharing and will try and learn the lesson the easy way. BTW, love your avatar.
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I liked it too, so I stole it from another guy on my old Bandit forum ;D
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I'm buying a schuberth!!!!!!!
No second best or "second quietest" for me ;D
Tampa Eurocycles is matching internet price for me (including the tax situation!) and it should be here next week