Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: maxtog on November 15, 2012, 05:14:09 PM
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It would appear Kawasaki is sending out a 2012 Concours Web Survey to existing owners. Oddly, I have had the bike 1.75 years and a few days ago they sent me a "new owners" survey. Many of the questions were identical on the two (who I am, how I ride, where I ride, when I ride, what other bike I compared it to, why I bought the Concours, how I rate all kinds of aspects of the Concours, etc)
What is most interesting is that the type of questioning makes it quite clear what features they are considering in the next Concours:
* LED headlight
* HID headlight
* Auto-adjusting cornering headlight
* Electronically adjustable/selectable supension
* Power mode selection (FI mapping)
* Helmet locks
* Cruise control
* Remote locking side cases
And they seem quite interested in different combinations of the above and what people are willing to pay for them. In one complex grid they offered MRSP examples of $15K, 18, and 21 with different combinations of features. Also interested in thoughts about cruising distance/gas tank size/ fuel economy, seat height issues, TPMS, KIPASS, windshield, wind/heat protection, center stand, temp gauge, heated grips, linked brakes, etc. It was pretty dern thorough.
I am thinking a 3rd gen C14 is probably in the works for 2014.
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I would also be interested in an option of rider control features, IOW, no KTRAC or ABS or the ability to disable both at the riders discretion, same for the linked brakes.... Did they happen to ask if you like KIPASS?
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I would also be interested in an option of rider control features, IOW, no KTRAC or ABS or the ability to disable both at the riders discretion, same for the linked brakes....
None mentioned except how valuable the owner thinks a few of those are
Did they happen to ask if you like KIPASS?
Yes- they asked how "Necessary" it was on a 4 point scale (4 = extremely). I gave it a "2". There is also a section for freetype feedback, which I gave them this:
"There are a lot of riders with shorter legs and you simply don't make any powerful, non-cruiser bikes with reasonably low seat heights. It is easy to make a bike taller, extremely difficult to make it shorter. I am a 5'7" male but with only a 27" inseam. I wanted a powerful, featureful, modern, 4 cyl, non-cruiser bike and had to buy a new seat, lower the bike with links, AND get 1" additions to my boots and I still can't command complete control confidence over the Concours. It is a shame.
High-end sport tourers, like the Concours, should have built-in options for tipover protection (crash bars), cruise control, and adjustable bars/grip positioning. Lighting should be improved, including HID headlights, cornering lights, and LED turn signals in the sides of the mirrors.
I don't think I even like KIPAS because it doesn't unlock the bags or the gas tank, so I still have to mess with keys. So what is the point? It just adds complexity and cost without any real benefits.
I have been disappointed with the low-end power of the Concours, and think it was overly "tuned down" from the ZX-14. This should have been user-selectable, for example- to have the secondary butterflies open sooner, or even stay open always.
Customers should be able to pick any color they want when they are ready to buy, even if it means they have to wait a while to get it. I was lucky that the ONLY color I wanted (silver) just happened to be the color available when I needed to purchase. You need to have more options than just one color and black each year.
Battery life in the TPS should be longer. Mine has not given out yet, but I read about peoples' whose did and it is a major inconvenience. "
I will note that I am not disappointed with the low-end power of the Concours, I injected that based on general feedback from some other forum members as a favor; although I do think that more power is always welcome and they should have given the user more options in that regard :)
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No cup holders?
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Nicely done Max.
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With the exception of Honda, it seems we are back in the ST bike's heyday. The new Triumph, BMW 1600, FJR are totally updated, and the Concours is really hanging in there. It's good for us.
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Went to the bike show in Dallas, looked at all the S/T offerings. The new Trophy is nice, but it's turned into a real bus. FJR looks great, cruise, TCC, maps, new fairing, etc. BMW is another bus.
The Connie still looks relevant, but could use some up-dates. 8)
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Went to the bike show in Dallas, looked at all the S/T offerings. The new Trophy is nice, but it's turned into a real bus. FJR looks great, cruise, TCC, maps, new fairing, etc. BMW is another bus.
The Connie still looks relevant, but could use some up-dates. 8)
They did a fantastic job on the look/style of the C14, even after all these years, it still looks just as vigorous, modern, and impressive as ever. Personally, I think they need to retain as much of the same look as possible when adding stuff additional "stuff".
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I took my survey today. I said I wouldn't consider any bike combination that did not have cruise control. I requested adjustable handlebars without ruining the look of the current bars. Or replacement handlebars like they do for seats. I want them a little closer but not higher.
I could care less about more power, I want more range. Said I would like to only fill up once a week when commuting, and would like to take my breaks at someplace other than a fuel station when travelling.
I also asked them to bring the W800 to the states, and build an adventure touring bike to compete with the super tenere and tiger adventure.
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Went to the bike show in Dallas, looked at all the S/T offerings. The new Trophy is nice, but it's turned into a real bus. FJR looks great, cruise, TCC, maps, new fairing, etc. BMW is another bus.
The Connie still looks relevant, but could use some up-dates. 8)
I wouldn't call the FJR totally updated, but I see what ya mean. Kawasaki will be doing what owners are asking for, and they want very much I believe to be top dog in this category. 8)
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I think just give me the more horsepower~~
That will be great!! ;D
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Hi! Max, is it possible to send me a copy of the survey, via e-mail? I'm very interested to this subject. Thanks.
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Went to the bike show in Dallas, looked at all the S/T offerings. The new Trophy is nice, but it's turned into a real bus. FJR looks great, cruise, TCC, maps, new fairing, etc. BMW is another bus.
The Connie still looks relevant, but could use some up-dates. 8)
I thought the BMW was a "Bus" too until I bought mine. Don't underestimate it. On the road it does not ride like a bus at all.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/jjscorvettec6/Misc%20Motorcycle/IMG_4067.jpg)
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/jjscorvettec6/Misc%20Motorcycle/IMG_4086-1.jpg)
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/jjscorvettec6/Misc%20Motorcycle/NinjaC141600GTfrontlow1000.jpg)
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None mentioned except how valuable the owner thinks a few of those are
Yes- they asked how "Necessary" it was on a 4 point scale (4 = extremely). I gave it a "2". There is also a section for freetype feedback, which I gave them this:
"There are a lot of riders with shorter legs and you simply don't make any powerful, non-cruiser bikes with reasonably low seat heights. It is easy to make a bike taller, extremely difficult to make it shorter. I am a 5'7" male but with only a 27" inseam. I wanted a powerful, featureful, modern, 4 cyl, non-cruiser bike and had to buy a new seat, lower the bike with links, AND get 1" additions to my boots and I still can't command complete control confidence over the Concours. It is a shame.
High-end sport tourers, like the Concours, should have built-in options for tipover protection (crash bars), cruise control, and adjustable bars/grip positioning. Lighting should be improved, including HID headlights, cornering lights, and LED turn signals in the sides of the mirrors.
I don't think I even like KIPAS because it doesn't unlock the bags or the gas tank, so I still have to mess with keys. So what is the point? It just adds complexity and cost without any real benefits.
I have been disappointed with the low-end power of the Concours, and think it was overly "tuned down" from the ZX-14. This should have been user-selectable, for example- to have the secondary butterflies open sooner, or even stay open always.
Customers should be able to pick any color they want when they are ready to buy, even if it means they have to wait a while to get it. I was lucky that the ONLY color I wanted (silver) just happened to be the color available when I needed to purchase. You need to have more options than just one color and black each year.
Battery life in the TPS should be longer. Mine has not given out yet, but I read about peoples' whose did and it is a major inconvenience. "
I will note that I am not disappointed with the low-end power of the Concours, I injected that based on general feedback from some other forum members as a favor; although I do think that more power is always welcome and they should have given the user more options in that regard :)
The last thing us grown ups need is a shorter bike. I don't mind adjustable, but definitely not shorter.
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Question retracted - asked on another forum.
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I did the survey yesterday too. I said cruise control and self cancelling turn signals were what I thought was missing. Any combo of better lights would work too. Not sure I need a headlight that turns with the bike, but more and better lighting is always good.
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Did you get a K1600GT? If so, I would be keenly interested in a comparison between it and a C14, particularly weight and top heaviness.
Do a search on 'K1600GT' in the 'It's not a Concours - other bike' board http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?board=11.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?board=11.0) . There's plenty there to read.
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Hmm. I just got a general new owner survey, not bike specific. Seems they are a bit slow, since I've had the bike for 14 months and 15,000 miles!
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Do a search on 'K1600GT' in the 'It's not a Concours - other bike' board http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?board=11.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?board=11.0) . There's plenty there to read.
Thanks, question here retracted.
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Question retracted - asked on another forum.
Good luck with that.
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Good luck with that.
Don't get me wrong, I just aksed out of curiosity. I have no plans to ditch my trusty C14!
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Excellent!
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I am thinking a 3rd gen C14 is probably in the works for 2014.
I would be surprised if it made it into the pipeline for 2014 as the product cycle for vehicles is usually at least a couple of years long and market research is step 1.
Granted, it sounds like they're talking about all incremental upgrades, but based on the time it takes to research, test, refine, test some more, re-tool, communicate, and manufacture, my guess would be that consumers wouldn't see any of these changes until 2015MY at the earliest since, IMO, they'd have to be well into the testing phase by now to get any of these changes out by next model year. Perhaps some of the changes are already in-progress and they're just trying to determine which ones they want to go with/people really want/will pay for.
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I thought the BMW was a "Bus" too until I bought mine. Don't underestimate it. On the road it does not ride like a bus at all.
You left out your picture from the front where the size difference is most obvious. :-) (Yes, I lurk on the K1600 forum, too. Sorry, to rat you out ;-) ).
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The survey is available online for all owners.....
http://www.kawasaki-research.com/NOOS/ (http://www.kawasaki-research.com/NOOS/)
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You left out your picture from the front where the size difference is most obvious. :-) (Yes, I lurk on the K1600 forum, too. Sorry, to rat you out ;-) ).
:o :rotflmao:
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The last thing us grown ups need is a shorter bike. I don't mind adjustable, but definitely not shorter.
I will attempt to ignore the insult part.
I seriously doubt them redesigning the frame slightly to enable the option of a lower seat is going to hurt any "grown ups", regardless of their leg lengths. Choice is good. And even if the seat were lower, standard, then it is no big deal to get a taller seat. Getting a LOWER seat *is* a big deal, because you can only go so low before there is simply no padding left. That said, I think an adjustable seat, that can also go at least 2" lower than what the C14 comes now and can go at least 1" higher than what the C14 now comes with, would be a great thing.
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Hi! Max, is it possible to send me a copy of the survey, via e-mail? I'm very interested to this subject. Thanks.
Well, it looks like they did not customize the URL for each person, it is just a web site. So it is quite possible that ANYONE can fill it out.
Here is the link: http://www.kawasaki-research.com/Concours14/opening.php (http://www.kawasaki-research.com/Concours14/opening.php)
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says it's a sweepstakes with $500 gift card if filled out...i'm in.
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You left out your picture from the front where the size difference is most obvious. :-) (Yes, I lurk on the K1600 forum, too. Sorry, to rat you out ;-) ).
Pretty funny response - my hat is off to you, but now the Concours forum knows that you are sneaking a peak at the other side too!
At least give me credit, I admitted it looks like a bus to me too.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/jjscorvettec6/Misc%20Motorcycle/IMG_4069-1.jpg)
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I will attempt to ignore the insult part.
Kick him in the shins Max! :chugbeer:
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At least give me credit, I admitted it looks like a bus to me too.
Yes, you did do that. :-)
IMO, there is negligible difference in slow-speed maneuvering and normal riding. Can't say anything about high-speed as I haven't had a chance to do that on either of them. To me, the difference is just a visual one.
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Yes, you did do that. :-)
IMO, there is negligible difference in slow-speed maneuvering and normal riding. Can't say anything about high-speed as I haven't had a chance to do that on either of them. To me, the difference is just a visual one.
Yes, and because of what my impression of the BMW was before I bought the bike I figured I would probably keep both bikes. I probably will sell the C14 this winter, but honestly I'm in no real hurry as I still have fun riding the Concours, and as I said in the other thread it still feels sportier than the BMW.
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They did a fantastic job on the look/style of the C14, even after all these years, it still looks just as vigorous, modern, and impressive as ever. Personally, I think they need to retain as much of the same look as possible when adding stuff additional "stuff".
Five years later and I still fall in love every time I take the cover off! :)
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Guys...I don't want to start deleting posts but keep the off topic stuff in another board/thread. You can talk about other bikes to your heart's content there. I don't care. Heck, you can even talk scooters. The next off topic post will be nuked without warning.
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The survey is a crock. They don't have the 08 bikes (the fastest). What a bunch of morons.
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You are off topic Jim, please nuke this thread.
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Take some more meds and fill out the survey. I did. ;)
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I will attempt to ignore the insult part.
I seriously doubt them redesigning the frame slightly to enable the option of a lower seat is going to hurt any "grown ups", regardless of their leg lengths. Choice is good. And even if the seat were lower, standard, then it is no big deal to get a taller seat. Getting a LOWER seat *is* a big deal, because you can only go so low before there is simply no padding left. That said, I think an adjustable seat, that can also go at least 2" lower than what the C14 comes now and can go at least 1" higher than what the C14 now comes with, would be a great thing.
Boo hoo, ;)
There are quite a few bikes that are lower. I chose the Connie for the seat height and added more.
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Boo hoo, ;)
:o
There are quite a few bikes that are lower. I chose the Connie for the seat height and added more.
Name one current sport touring bike with a significantly lower seat than the C14... Then try to name one current model of ANY non-cruiser, 4 cyl bike with a significantly lower seat.
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The C14 is a tall bike to begin with, have had more than 1 person tell me that.
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Aye, she's a tall drink of water.
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OK, Max, thanks, I answered the survey, in spite it was designed only to owners that live in US.
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I will attempt to ignore the insult part.
I seriously doubt them redesigning the frame slightly to enable the option of a lower seat is going to hurt any "grown ups", regardless of their leg lengths. Choice is good. And even if the seat were lower, standard, then it is no big deal to get a taller seat. Getting a LOWER seat *is* a big deal, because you can only go so low before there is simply no padding left. That said, I think an adjustable seat, that can also go at least 2" lower than what the C14 comes now and can go at least 1" higher than what the C14 now comes with, would be a great thing.
I bought the Concours because of the physical size of the bike. Sure I could have put a taller seat and lower pegs on my Ninja 650R, but when I tried a pad on the seat the bike then felt different, like I was riding on top of the bike instead of on the bike. If folks would just buy a bike that fits them then there would be bikes for everyone out there. I laugh when I see a 6'3" guy on a Vstar 250 or even 650, and also laugh when I see a guy on an M109 that can barely hold it up.
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I also asked Kawasaki to throw a little candy lime green in with the black bike because I don't always want to be the fastest bike out there. Sometimes I just want to look fast.
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I bought the Concours because of the physical size of the bike. Sure I could have put a taller seat and lower pegs on my Ninja 650R, but when I tried a pad on the seat the bike then felt different, like I was riding on top of the bike instead of on the bike. If folks would just buy a bike that fits them then there would be bikes for everyone out there. I laugh when I see a 6'3" guy on a Vstar 250 or even 650, and also laugh when I see a guy on an M109 that can barely hold it up.
What is a bigger fella supposed to start out on? Pretty obvious to me what most should start out on, but when you are 6 '3 plus you are a bit limited to a bike that you will fit comfortably on, and that you can learn on.
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Let's face the facts- what the Concours needs is a premium seat, cruise control, self-cancelling turn signals (like my 30 year old XJ1100 has), adjustable handlebars, and a new muffler. Don't get me wrong, this is my favorite bike of the many I have had in 30 years of riding- just saying to keep relevant in the market Kawasaki has to constantly upgrade or lose.
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I bought the Concours because of the physical size of the bike. Sure I could have put a taller seat and lower pegs on my Ninja 650R, but when I tried a pad on the seat the bike then felt different, like I was riding on top of the bike instead of on the bike. If folks would just buy a bike that fits them then there would be bikes for everyone out there. I laugh when I see a 6'3" guy on a Vstar 250 or even 650, and also laugh when I see a guy on an M109 that can barely hold it up.
Rriders with a few inches shorter leg lengths outside some magic design "norm" should not be artifically restricted to only toy bikes, small sport-only bikes, or cruisers. (It has nothing to do with standing height, it has to do with leg length only.) Just because a bike might fit leg length does not mean the customer is interested in that type of bike.
Lowering the top part of the seat-area-only part of the frame somewhat to accommodate the option for a lower seat would in no way make the body position any different for the rider than without such a change (with a seat height adjusted up accordingly). There is no necessity to change the tank height, the tree position, the peg positions, etc.
There are, of course, some very complex factors to consider in frame strength and positioning of other things to maintain the same rear tire clearance. But I bet it could be done. Even with such a change, it is certainly still not going to accommodate everyone, but expanding the possible market base is a good thing, as long as there are no significantly negative design consequences.
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Possibly one of the guys I chose to be co-admin is a maroon. Maybe.
... The next off topic post will be nuked without warning.
Go ahead, I dare you. :P :P :P
Rick
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Rriders with a few inches shorter leg lengths outside some magic design "norm" should not be artifically restricted to only toy bikes, small sport-only bikes, or cruisers. (It has nothing to do with standing height, it has to do with leg length only.) Just because a bike might fit leg length does not mean the customer is interested in that type of bike.
Lowering the top part of the seat-area-only part of the frame somewhat to accommodate the option for a lower seat would in no way make the body position any different for the rider than without such a change (with a seat height adjusted up accordingly). There is no necessity to change the tank height, the tree position, the peg positions, etc.
There are, of course, some very complex factors to consider in frame strength and positioning of other things to maintain the same rear tire clearance. But I bet it could be done. Even with such a change, it is certainly still not going to accommodate everyone, but expanding the possible market base is a good thing, as long as there are no significantly negative design consequences.
I agree. There are a few things about the Concours that has made it a bike that I've never been totally in love with, but this is number one. I bought a low Sargent seat for it, which makes it a good height for me. But the low seat compromises comfort for real long days. It's the only bike I've ever owned that I have had this problem with.
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Rriders with a few inches shorter leg lengths outside some magic design "norm" should not be artifically restricted to only toy bikes, small sport-only bikes, or cruisers. (It has nothing to do with standing height, it has to do with leg length only.) Just because a bike might fit leg length does not mean the customer is interested in that type of bike.
Lowering the top part of the seat-area-only part of the frame somewhat to accommodate the option for a lower seat would in no way make the body position any different for the rider than without such a change (with a seat height adjusted up accordingly). There is no necessity to change the tank height, the tree position, the peg positions, etc.
There are, of course, some very complex factors to consider in frame strength and positioning of other things to maintain the same rear tire clearance. But I bet it could be done. Even with such a change, it is certainly still not going to accommodate everyone, but expanding the possible market base is a good thing, as long as there are no significantly negative design consequences.
Then one thing I have finally learned after 31 years of riding is find a bike that fits. I have passed on bikes that I really like because of the fit. Some were too big for me. Triumph Tiger Explorer. and some were too small for me. New Ninja 300. If I were smaller in stature I would love to be able to fit comfortably on less expensive bikes. Personally I only require about 1/2 the horsepower the Concours puts out and if I can exercise will power I will only use 1/2 the horsepower. Yesterday I fell in love with the moto guzzi V7 Racer. Very cool retro bike. When I showed my wife a photo of me on the bike she said it was too small for me. The Griso v8 SE is a better fit but doesn't have that old school cool factor.
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What is a bigger fella supposed to start out on? Pretty obvious to me what most should start out on, but when you are 6 '3 plus you are a bit limited to a bike that you will fit comfortably on, and that you can learn on.
Hopefully a biggger fella is also a stronger fella, (not always the case), but a dual sport would be the perfect starter bike for a taller guy.
A guy showed up at the advanced MSF course on a Vstar 250. His knees about hit the handlebars and did hit them when he tried to do parking lot maneuvers. The instructors encouraged him to get a larger framed bike before he wrecked. Another guy could barely touch tip toes on his bike. My BIL really wanted an Ultra Classic. Bought it and quickly realized he was too small to handle the bike. He went with a Low Ryder and installed hard bags and batwing on it.
There are so many different bikes out there. There is no one bike that will fit everyone. There are low seat height bikes out there and there are tall bikes out there. There are bikes with short reach to the handlebars and bikes with long reach to the handlebars. Some things can be adjusted and some things can't. There are light bikes and heavy bikes. Way too many bikes to try before I die.
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Then one thing I have finally learned after 31 years of riding is find a bike that fits. I have passed on bikes that I really like because of the fit. Some were too big for me. Triumph Tiger Explorer. and some were too small for me. New Ninja 300. If I were smaller in stature I would love to be able to fit comfortably on less expensive bikes. Personally I only require about 1/2 the horsepower the Concours puts out and if I can exercise will power I will only use 1/2 the horsepower. Yesterday I fell in love with the moto guzzi V7 Racer. Very cool retro bike. When I showed my wife a photo of me on the bike she said it was too small for me. The Griso v8 SE is a better fit but doesn't have that old school cool factor.
That willpower often gets interrupted between the brain and the right wrist. Especially when the tach gets above 6k and the bike is making that beautiful music.
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Rriders with a few inches shorter leg lengths outside some magic design "norm" should not be artifically restricted to only toy bikes, small sport-only bikes, or cruisers. (It has nothing to do with standing height, it has to do with leg length only.) Just because a bike might fit leg length does not mean the customer is interested in that type of bike.
Lowering the top part of the seat-area-only part of the frame somewhat to accommodate the option for a lower seat would in no way make the body position any different for the rider than without such a change (with a seat height adjusted up accordingly). There is no necessity to change the tank height, the tree position, the peg positions, etc.
There are, of course, some very complex factors to consider in frame strength and positioning of other things to maintain the same rear tire clearance. But I bet it could be done. Even with such a change, it is certainly still not going to accommodate everyone, but expanding the possible market base is a good thing, as long as there are no significantly negative design consequences.
You going to start a discrimination lawsuit? :P
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You going to start a discrimination lawsuit? :P
Get real, of course not. But I certainly am going to let Kawasaki how I feel about it, and comment when anyone says something somewhat offensive like "just get a different bike", which is rarely a solution, especially when all reasonable models tend to be within 1" of the exact same target design.
The fact that Kawasaki is asking people what they think about the seat height is a pretty clear indicator that there is enough of a "problem" for them to investigate further.
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Randy Newman - Short People (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NvgLkuEtkA#)
Love that song.
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OK, Max, thanks, I answered the survey, in spite it was designed only to owners that live in US.
Or users of the 09 bikes onward >:( Kwak intelligence at work...
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Or users of the 09 bikes onward >:( Kwak intelligence at work...
Well, maybe we will get the word out and they will mysteriously have a hell of a lot more survey feedback than they expected (which is a good thing).
It really is quite odd that they didn't use any type of identifier on the survey to better control who is responding. Without it, duplicates could be submitted and non-C14 owners could be replying, even though they might have zero actual C14 experience (which is a bad thing).
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Possibly one of the guys I chose to be co-admin is a maroon. Maybe.
Go ahead, I dare you. :P :P :P
Rick
:popcorn: ;D
Sacrificial lamb ::)
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Way too many bikes to try before I die.
Blasphemy!!! :o
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Possibly one of the guys I chose to be co-admin is a maroon. Maybe.
Go ahead, I dare you. :P :P :P
Rick
No, I won't because you dared me. Go to sleep. However, it looks like this thread isn't paying me much attention. Time for a time out.
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It really is quite odd that they didn't use any type of identifier on the survey to better control who is responding. Without it, duplicates could be submitted and non-C14 owners could be replying, even though they might have zero actual C14 experience (which is a bad thing).
When I looked at it you had to enter your VIN.
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Whew, finally. I don't think I could hold my breath any longer. ::)
When I looked at it you had to enter your VIN.
+1 - I filled it out too, and the first question was to enter my VIN. I suspect that eliminates duplicates and ballot box stuffing.
I get the sense from that survey it's intended as a generic owners survey, because they cover quads and dirt bikes with those questions.
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Didn't have to enter mine unless they know me by IP address.
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I said I wouldn't consider any bike combination that did not have cruise control.
Amen twowheel, it's assinine (sp) not to have cruise control. My 06 Road King taught me its not a luxury, it's a necessity.
And it pisses me that Kwak is so far behind on C-14 in that respect.
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When I looked at it you had to enter your VIN.
That is odd. I didn't have to enter my VIN, which I thought was crazy. However, on the "new owner" survey I was sent the day before, I *DID* have to enter the VIN. Perhaps they are using cookies???
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Perhaps they are using cookies???
Mmmm.... cookies. :P