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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: usttobee50 on September 29, 2012, 01:57:10 PM

Title: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: usttobee50 on September 29, 2012, 01:57:10 PM
.....When switching to econo mode I notice an increase in engine speed, appx 100-150 rpm. When exiting econo mode there is a decrease in rpm's. It is very subtle, and more noticeable at low rpm's, say 1500 to 2000. You have to hold the switch for a second after the econo mode indicator goes off, then release it. Just wondering if this is normal?
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: ugocon on September 29, 2012, 02:39:46 PM
I think it's normal because the Eco mapping will probably lean the mixture, thus increasing the temperature inside the cylinder and most probably generating a slight RPM increase.
I seem to have noticed it, but I'm not using ECO for a long time now.... probably (and perhaps unconsciously...) right because of the consequent temperature  increase that could create damages in the long run.
I know it's not the case, but you never know!
 ;) ::)
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: usttobee50 on September 29, 2012, 03:07:00 PM
I think it's normal because the Eco mapping will probably lean the mixture, thus increasing the temperature inside the cylinder and most probably generating a slight RPM increase.
I seem to have noticed it, but I'm not using ECO for a long time now.... probably (and perhaps unconsciously...) right because of the consequent temperature  increase that could create damages in the long run.
I know it's not the case, but you never know!
 ;) ::)
....That sounds right, I have gotten up to 48.3 mpg on long trips with the econo mode engaged, but I didn't buy the C-14 for the fuel mileage. I bought it for the Smile mileage.....Gotta Luv It.. ;D  ;D   8)
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: ugocon on September 29, 2012, 03:38:32 PM
...I bought it for the Smile mileage.....Gotta Luv It.. ;D  ;D   8)
:D  8)
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: maxtog on September 29, 2012, 08:53:46 PM
Yes, it is normal
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: Son of Pappy on September 30, 2012, 12:34:20 AM
My econo mode on my '08 has the exact opposite reaction.  If I have any abrupt changes in RPMs I end up with an ear splitting headache and a ringing in my ears.  Borderline concusion once, she likes both wheels on the ground at all time 8)
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: VirginiaJim on September 30, 2012, 01:08:14 PM
Yes, it is normal

Practicing with a new font, Max?
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: maxtog on September 30, 2012, 02:17:30 PM
Practicing with a new font, Max?

usttobee50 inspired me
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: usttobee50 on September 30, 2012, 03:17:58 PM
usttobee50 inspired me

Good....We can always use a Little Color and Style in Here... 8)  ;D  :thumbs:
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: VirginiaJim on September 30, 2012, 04:35:12 PM
I hate change....
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: stevewfl on September 30, 2012, 06:31:29 PM
yeah but it keeps things interesting, without change life would be mundane dull and boring as ...............
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: VirginiaJim on October 01, 2012, 04:29:47 AM
I don't see your point.. ;)
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: wally_games on October 01, 2012, 11:32:20 AM
I hate change....

I hate "hope and change".  8)
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: usttobee50 on October 01, 2012, 12:17:38 PM
I hate change....

Jim.......I hope this doesn't mean you hate to..... Change... socks and underwear....... :-\  ;D  8)
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: Son of Pappy on October 01, 2012, 06:52:05 PM
Jim.......I hope this doesn't mean you hate to..... Change... socks and underwear....... :-\  ;D  8)
Go "Commando", the ultimate econo mode ;)
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: VirginiaJim on October 02, 2012, 04:02:41 AM
Jim.......I hope this doesn't mean you hate to..... [/size]Change...[/font][/size] socks and underwear.......  :-\ ;D 8)

 ;D
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: ssmith on October 02, 2012, 06:08:08 AM
 :yikes:   Just when it was getting interesting, the thread was derailed...

Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: VirginiaJim on October 02, 2012, 06:21:10 AM
Based on my experience with these things, derailment usually occurs after whatever information is requested is received.  Derailment shouldn't stop someone from posting information the OP requested.    In looking back at the post trail, it seems that the OP got the answer he requested by about post 5ish or so, after which derailment started.  Of course, this is purely subjective.
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: Mister Tee on October 02, 2012, 08:33:49 AM
Back on topic, one wonders why the idle map would be any different in eco mode.
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: The Pope on October 02, 2012, 11:12:48 AM
Long answer:The "idle map" is just he main idle screw. You should have that set to something like 1100-1250 when not in ECO mode. Then when ECO mode is activated, it leans out the a/f mixture. Which in turn causes the engine to idle at a slightly higher RPM.

Short answer: There is no such thing as an "Idle Map" on a C14. So move along. Nothing to see here.  ;D
Short answer #2: It's all magic!  :P
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: Mister Tee on October 02, 2012, 01:35:37 PM
Long answer:The "idle map" is just he main idle screw. You should have that set to something like 1100-1250 when not in ECO mode. Then when ECO mode is activated, it leans out the a/f mixture. Which in turn causes the engine to idle at a slightly higher RPM.

Short answer: There is no such thing as an "Idle Map" on a C14. So move along. Nothing to see here.  ;D
Short answer #2: It's all magic!  :P

I think what you are trying to say is that Eco mode leans out the entire map by a single factor.  (Why is the idle speed constant after it warms up, when you switch from Eco mode to regular and back?)
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: Bikerdad on October 02, 2012, 04:49:03 PM
I have the same result  on my 2012 connie .

Ron
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: maxtog on October 02, 2012, 05:23:52 PM
I have the same result  on my 2012 connie .

When the bike is cold (first started), like most bike engines, it will be prone to dying.  If the idle is set too low or  you do not wait a minute or two and take off but without enough throttle, it can and will die and I don't find that to be terribly alarming.  If there is too much play in the throttle cable, this can amplify the problem, since a twist to give gas might not be quite enough.  If you ALSO use ECO mode (which I don't bother with) that will tend to make the idle even less strong, even if the RPM is a bit higher, because the bike is then cold AND even leaner than normal.

I will admit that my 2011 has never died when leaving after cold started, but I almost always start the bike and let it run a minute or two before leaving.  It is part of my routine- I am not finished preparing to leave before I start the bike.  I will usually start it, and then put on my helmet, plug in my earphones, and put on my gloves and set the GPS/music options, and then leave.   I consider this a "best practice".  It is "better" for most engines to let the oil get a little up to temp and flowing through everything before calling for power.

A few times I have killed the engine, especially when the bike was new and I was slow manuvering, and I had too much play in the throttle.  Once I got more used to the bike, and also removed the throttle play, it was never an issue again.
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: maxtog on October 02, 2012, 05:28:43 PM
I think what you are trying to say is that Eco mode leans out the entire map by a single factor.  (Why is the idle speed constant after it warms up, when you switch from Eco mode to regular and back?)

This has been discussed several times before, and from what I recall, the consensus was that when the bike is placed into ECO mode, the computer will raise the idle speed until the bike has reached reasonable running temp and then it is reduced back to normal levels.  This is done as a precaution to prevent the engine from dying too easily when coping with a leaner mixer AND being cold.
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: The Pope on October 03, 2012, 04:05:52 AM
Why is the idle speed constant after it warms up, when you switch from Eco mode to regular and back?

This is not the case with my bike. After I've riden for a while and the bike is fully warmed up, I can come to a stop and toggle the ECO mode on & off. The rpm is higher when the ECO mode is on vs. off.
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: Mister Tee on October 03, 2012, 09:20:52 AM
This has been discussed several times before, and from what I recall, the consensus was that when the bike is placed into ECO mode, the computer will raise the idle speed until the bike has reached reasonable running temp and then it is reduced back to normal levels.  This is done as a precaution to prevent the engine from dying too easily when coping with a leaner mixer AND being cold.

Sorry, I missed that memo.  But I guess that makes sense.

Given that, I wonder if it's better just to immediately place it in eco mode, and accept the higher idle vs. a low cold idle with a richer mixture.  I've always let it warm up first then put it in eco mode.
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: wally_games on October 03, 2012, 11:21:15 AM
Sorry, I missed that memo.  But I guess that makes sense.

Given that, I wonder if it's better just to immediately place it in eco mode, and accept the higher idle vs. a low cold idle with a richer mixture. I've always let it warm up first then put it in eco mode.

+1
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: CARLÃO on October 03, 2012, 01:35:36 PM
Guys, isn't it because te ECO removes power and the engine has to work a little more to mantain the same performance? I always use ECO anywere I go and, at my speed, until now, it's alright.
Title: Re: ....Anyone Else Notice This in Econo Mode...?
Post by: RJ2 on October 05, 2012, 02:59:24 PM
Sorry, I missed that memo.  But I guess that makes sense.

Given that, I wonder if it's better just to immediately place it in eco mode, and accept the higher idle vs. a low cold idle with a richer mixture.  I've always let it warm up first then put it in eco mode.

Agree