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Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: speed545 on August 26, 2012, 09:23:25 AM
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i m lookin for recent 1.5 tons pick up. 2010 and up. Need a 4 doors.
Saw somes nice deals on Sierra around here but i m stuck in the probably never ending questionning between a RAM, F150 and a Sierra
have any experience guys?
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General Motors is becoming China Motors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvl5Gan69Wo#ws)
Hey, it's your choice on your vehicle requirements, and I would not try to sway you one way or the other, just showing you the facts.
Plus, Ford didn't take a nickle of bailout money.
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I know it's not exactly what you're asking about, that never stopped me before. lol
I have a 2003 Chevy 2500HD Duramax/Allison. Bought it new and it's been a GREAT truck. I've never had a lick of trouble with it, nothing, zero, zilch, nada.
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I know it's not exactly what you're asking about, that never stopped me before. lol
I have a 2003 Chevy 2500HD Duramax/Allison. Bought it new and it's been a GREAT truck. I've never had a lick of trouble with it, nothing, zero, zilch, nada.
Please don't buy another one. The one you bought was from an American company.
The next will be from a Commie company. No thanks.
Make no mistake about it. Obama Motors is a Commie Company.
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GM paid the Gov't back right?
So did Chrysler, back in the early 80's after getting bailed out.
So, by that rational, Chrysler is also a Commie company?
What about all the Japanese car makers that take huge subsidies from their Gov't?
Just about every Italian car maker has been at one time or another owned or controlled by the Italian Gov't.
Same for the British makers back in the 70's and 80's.
China's lurking and is in the same position that Japan was in the early 70's here, look out in 10 years.
Not trying to start anything, I understand your point, my whole family and in-laws are involved with Ford, but I think that GM, with Chevy specifically is making some nice vehicles lately, the new Impala is nice.
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GM is far from all American. Can you say Daewoo? That is what all the small engines are since they bought them out in 2000 or 2001. Korean!
On the truck side of it. You have a tough decision. Check all the warranties first off especially if you are buying new. They change coverage every year. I personally like the Ram 1500 Bighorn package with the dual exhaust shaped through the rear bumper. I have been beside one on the highway doing 140 mph. Connie speedo closer to 133 mph. But real fast. 2013 Ram is getting a new 6 cylinder that should get between 18mpg city and 28 or 29mpg highway. Not sure how much power. Ford has a 6 cylinder with Very impressive power claims and GMC/Chevy has a 4.8 liter that gets pretty good fuel economy.
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I was a GM guy all the way, forever.
This last go around I switched to Ford due to politics. I don't regret it. My F150 is bardarse. 8)
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GM is owned by:
United States Department of the Treasury (61%)
United Auto Workers Union Voluntary Employee Beneficiary Association (17.5%)
Canada Development Investment Corporation (7.9%)
Government of Ontario (3.8%)
Bond holders of Motors Liquidation Company (9.8%)
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_owns_General_Motors_now#ixzz24gvslFgs (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_owns_General_Motors_now#ixzz24gvslFgs)
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I have a 2006 GMC serria and It's a great truck.
Jack
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Guys, let's try to keep this one in the Open board so lighten up on the political comments, please.
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Sorry Jim, but he asked. :-X
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i m not doing too much mileage, around 8k per year.
looking to tow some cargo camping trailer.; weigh around 4000 lbs.
I currently own a SUV and the last time i towed a trailer for a long distance, i went trough the brake disc and pads
I want something comfy on the road. (advantage Chevy from what i ve heard)
I want something reliable. (dont know about this one but had bad expwerience with dodge products in the past)
Fuel economy is not a high priority since i do around 8-10k per year
Thx for any inputs
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I can't speak for the new models but my 2006 Sierra SLT Ex-Cab 4x4 with the 5.3 V 8 is a great vehicle. I think if you want to use it as a TRUCK and haul and tow at max capacity all the time, Ford may be a better TRUCK. But as a daily driver, as a vehicle that does everything I want it to, the Sierra is great. I don't tow anything even thought it has a heavy-duty integrated tow package, and I seldom take it off-highway even though it has the Z-71 haevy-duty suspension, G-80 locking rear diff, etc. I use the old Toyota 4x4 for that stuff. I bought it used when I went to trade in the piece-o'-crap Taco because it was the only thing they had on the lot and I wasn't going to drive that piece-o'crap Taco back home. I get 17+ MPG around town and 20 or so on the highway. It had 25,000 miles when I got it and now has 98,000+. The only problem I've had other than the mice eating all the wiring under the fuse box has been one O2 sensor go bad. The biggest drawback is the heated leather Barco-lounger captains chairs are soooooooo comfortable it's hard to keep from falling asleep in it at 70 MPH.
As far as being an "American" vehicle, well there's just no such thing anymore. The Toyota Tacoma piece-o'-crap I bought in 2007 was made in America except for the Japanese transmission. Current Tundras are made in the USA. My 1984 Ford T-Bird was made in Canada. The Sierra was assembled at the Fort Wayne plant, but every single part I can see has a bar code or cast-in lettering that says "Fabrique du Canada". Kind of like our "Japanese" Connies were assembled in Lincoln, Nebraska.
www.gm-trucks.com (http://www.gm-trucks.com) is a great forum for these trucks, a lot like we are here.
pics below:
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my last pickup 2003 was a GMC HD Duramax and it was a great truck. I got to the point I did not want or need a diesel so I started looking for a good used or maybe new truck.
after seeing the video that was the second post in this thread I decided there would be no more GM products for me.
so now I have a 2012 that says this
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l140/n7myr/Ford/nobail.jpg)
I think the Sierra is a good truck and that you would like it. I thought mine was great at the time. but that was before it became gov motors and they bought into China. not for me......
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Get a Ford truck. :thumbs:
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The Duramax engine is an Isuzu design built in a joint venture between Gummint Motors and Isuzu.
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Get a Ford truck. :thumbs:
always been a Ford addict. Had a Mustang GT, Ranger FX4, and some older stuff that i would keep for myself...........cough...Topaz... cough.......
any way, to be honest, it s between the F150 and the Sierra.
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Toyota Tundra for me, more American than any of them. ;)
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Whatever you get the best deal on , being a business owner I own a few of each , they all have certain issues, most of mine are diesels .
I've had good luck with GM gas motors, even my 8.1 in a 7500.
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Get a Ford truck. :thumbs:
Ford makes the F-150 in MEXICO every day. But i like the Fords better than the Chinese GMs or union Dodges.
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Ford F-150. I thought GM was the best back in the last century. But I have 220,000 on my '99 F-150 and she's still running great and looking good--GM paint often fades/peels early.
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The Dodge is built in Mexico, too. They tore down the STL truck plant...and van plant...and car plant.
Ford still builds F-150s in KCMO.
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The Dodge is built in Mexico, too. They tore down the STL truck plant...and van plant...and car plant.
Ford still builds F-150s in KCMO.
Yeah they build a few there. If you google the VIN on the truck you can find out whether a union boss built it or a mexican.
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Find an older F250 Diesel, you will not regret it. Once diesel ya gotta ask why does America love gas engines? Blue collar guys like torque, the rest THINK HP is sexy. Go Ford for all the reasons above. There's a reason they didn't need any "Assistance" ;)
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The Dodge is built in Mexico, too. They tore down the STL truck plant...and van plant...and car plant.
Ford still builds F-150s in KCMO.
The Dodge Ram is built in Warren, MI at Dodge City Warren Truck Assembly Plant, as well as in Coahuila, Mexico at the Saltillo Assembly Plant.
The Ford F-150 is built in Dearborn, Michigan and Kansas City, Missouri.
Go with the F-150. I've got a driveway full of them, and Ford != bailouts like GM.
And, to respond to a previous statement, NO, GM did NOT "pay back" anything. They paid part of one government handout (loan) using funds from ANOTHER government handout, but the taxpayers will NEVER recoup the entire "investment" that the federal government gave ... err ... made to GM.
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The Dodge Ram is built in Warren, MI at Dodge City Warren Truck Assembly Plant, as well as in Coahuila, Mexico at the Saltillo Assembly Plant.
The Ford F-150 is built in Dearborn, Michigan and Kansas City, Missouri.
Go with the F-150. I've got a driveway full of them, and Ford != bailouts like GM.
And, to respond to a previous statement, NO, GM did NOT "pay back" anything. They paid part of one government handout (loan) using funds from ANOTHER government handout, but the taxpayers will NEVER recoup the entire "investment" that the federal government gave ... err ... made to GM. AND THE UAW
fify
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Leaving the politics alone, and basing my opinion solely on how much I appreciate my Dodge RAM 1500 Lone Star edition. Supposedly 390 hp from the hemi and I believe it - it runs like a champ, and still gets 20 mpg on highway and 15 or so around town. It is a comfortable ride and came with a 5 year, 100,000 mile warranty. At 41,000 miles it has only been in shop once - broken exhaust manifold stud - which was replaced under warranty.
The big reason I like the RAM though is the tow capacity. I have the tow package with brings capacity to almost 11,000 pounds. And no, I would not tow that much weight, but I do routinely pull my toyhauler which weighs in a 6,600 empty and almost 8,000 loaded. The 1/2 ton RAM pulls it with no problem. I can run interstate speeds, and with trailer breaks and leveling hitch, it is very solid. Only drawback, my gas mileage falls to about 8 mpg which doesn't bother me too much because I'm not traveling cross country, but more short weekend trips, or taking the camper to deer camp and leaving for hunting season. IF I were to start planning longer trips pulling the camper, I would simply move up to the Dodge 2500.
This is my 2nd RAM, have also owned a Nissan, have driven many Fords, and GMCs as well. I have never liked how the Fords handle - once they get miles on them, IMHO, they tend to drift/wander on the road. GMC/Chevy handle better, but always feel to fancy for a truck to me with lots of farkles that break over time. Again, just my .02, but Dodge has done a pretty good job with the RAM marrying capability to functionality to comfort.
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The Ford F-150 is built in Dearborn, Michigan and Kansas City, Missouri.
And Mexico!
Its amazing whats made in Venezuala too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ford_factories (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ford_factories)
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I had a 2008 Tundra CrewMax for 3 yrs and 50k trouble free miles. Absolutely loved it. My bro in law has a 2008 Sierra 2500 HD Duramax. Nice truck and doesn't let you forget its a truck. His has been in the shop a few times though while not a single issue on my toyo..By the way.....They gave me 5k less than I paid for the truck after a little over 3 yrs and 50k miles. Try swinging that deal on a gmc.
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Da*n Dodges.. My 91 Dak's windshield wipers just stopped working. I fixed them, though. They don't make them like they used to back in the good ole days. That's the second time it's done it in 21 years. I'd go with a GMC if I were you.................not. ::) I like my cars Toyota and my trucks Dodge.
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I had a 91 YO truck, before they became Tacoma... the 2nd best truck I ever had. It had over 95k miles on it... gas, oil, shocks, brakes... that's it.
I had a 2002 Dodge Quad Cab... 3rd best truck I ever had... 4.7l V8... horrible gas mileage... 13.2mpg in Houston... but man could it get up and go! I loved the way it handled.
I now have a 2006 Honda Ridgeline RTL... best truck I ever owned. 8)
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I had an '07 F150 for a couple of years, and while it ran excellently and got great mileage, even when towing, I have a spot of advice for you...go larger than the 4.6L v8 I had in mine, when you get up into the 4k or 5k lb. range, like a good-sized boat, the 4.6 really, and I mean REALLY gets taxed...cubic inches mean a lot at that point...
But my vote stands with Ford...
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I had a 91 YO truck, before they became Tacoma... the 2nd best truck I ever had. It had over 95k miles on it... gas, oil, shocks, brakes... that's it.
I had a 2002 Dodge Quad Cab... 3rd best truck I ever had... 4.7l V8... horrible gas mileage... 13.2mpg in Houston... but man could it get up and go! I loved the way it handled.
I now have a 2006 Honda Ridgeline RTL... best truck I ever owned. 8)
Well, thats almost cheating (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/goHonda.gif)
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I had an '07 F150 for a couple of years, and while it ran excellently and got great mileage, even when towing, I have a spot of advice for you...go larger than the 4.6L v8 I had in mine, when you get up into the 4k or 5k lb. range, like a good-sized boat, the 4.6 really, and I mean REALLY gets taxed...cubic inches mean a lot at that point...
But my vote stands with Ford...
+1. I had an Expedition that had the 4.6l in it... Great around flat Houston, torture when we went up to TN to visit the in laws... Kept jumping around trying to find gears in the hills/mountains.
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Well, thats almost cheating (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/goHonda.gif)
I know... I have to have a Honda in the garage somewhere. ;D
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I have a 2005 Sierra 2500 with a 6 litre gas. It has been a great truck. I pull heavy trailers a lot and the only repairs have been a steering rod and a rear end - about $4K. I have 300,000 kms on it. It just eats the gas!
I also have an 06 3500 Allison/Diesel at work. There is 230,000 kms on it. No trouble except for two injectors when I got bad fuel. It hauls trailers as if they weren't there.
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I had a 2008 Tundra CrewMax for 3 yrs and 50k trouble free miles. Absolutely loved it. My bro in law has a 2008 Sierra 2500 HD Duramax. Nice truck and doesn't let you forget its a truck. His has been in the shop a few times though while not a single issue on my toyo..By the way.....They gave me 5k less than I paid for the truck after a little over 3 yrs and 50k miles. Try swinging that deal on a gmc.
So, your bro-in-law still has his truck but you got rid of yours? ;)
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So, your bro-in-law still has his truck but you got rid of yours? ;)
Um....Yeah that is true but he has no kids and I have 2 ages 11 and 6. Actually traded it on a sienna since it was time for a mini van. We road trip frequently.....Put 21k miles on the sienna in a yr and although I loved the Tundra CrewMax..... It's nothing compared to hitting the interstates in a minivan......But pulled my dad's 7500 lb boat and my trailers like nothing and that was the argument from the boss.....You have your big 4x4....An atv....And 2 motorcycles.....So yes I took one for the team and actually enjoy driving the minivan. Can't believe I just said that.
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Actually only the Ram 1500 series is built in Warren, MI. The rest are built in Mexico.
I need to be more careful or I'll wear out my 92 Dakota. It has a whopping 92k on it.
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Um....Yeah that is true but he has no kids and I have 2 ages 11 and 6. Actually traded it on a sienna since it was time for a mini van. We road trip frequently.....Put 21k miles on the sienna in a yr and although I loved the Tundra CrewMax..... It's nothing compared to hitting the interstates in a minivan......But pulled my dad's 7500 lb boat and my trailers like nothing and that was the argument from the boss.....You have your big 4x4....An atv....And 2 motorcycles.....So yes I took one for the team and actually enjoy driving the minivan. Can't believe I just said that.
Yep, kids will do that to you. I didn't get to buy the good toys till after mine left the house.
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I'm a Dodge fan. The new Dodges are quite a nice improvement over their older trucks. But my stepdad has a Toyota Tundra CrewMax and it is a pretty sweet truck too.
Honestly, it doesn't really matter. They are all good. Just pick the one that fits you the best.
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I'm a Dodge fan. The new Dodges are quite a nice improvement over their older trucks. But my stepdad has a Toyota Tundra CrewMax and it is a pretty sweet truck too.
Honestly, it doesn't really matter. They are all good. Just pick the one that fits you the best.
Anybody that ever got in my CrewMax and sat in the back seat was in awe of the amount of room back there. I had an ARE color matched hard toneau cover and that made the bed a huge waterproof trunk..My vote is still for the Tundra.
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You would be surprised to hear where a lot of the steel used to make all these vehicles comes from....and it isn't from outside the country.
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The Ford F-150 is built in Dearborn, Michigan and Kansas City, Missouri.
And Mexico!
Which plant in Mexico is the F-150 assembled at, stevewfl?
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I bought my current Ford truck, 2001 F250 crewcab 4x4 w/V10 brand new in late 2000, it now has just over 60k miles (I know, I know, crazy low miles, but it's the curse of traveling for my job and driving lots of rental cars when I'm away, plus other driving/riding options when home). I haven't had any problems at all, and it pulls our heavy 5th wheel with ease up the hills going through the mountain ranges. This is my 3rd Ford truck and they've all been great, no complaints here at all. :thumbs:
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