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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: ZG on August 06, 2012, 10:03:02 PM
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Interesting looking and concept, and they come in black... 8)
http://www.preeng.com/xcart/product.php?productid=56&cat=11&page=1 (http://www.preeng.com/xcart/product.php?productid=56&cat=11&page=1)
These adjustable handlebars are CNC machined out of billet 6061 aluminum. These are completely adjustable vertically, forward, backward for a super customizable riding position. These risers will allow 3" of adjustment rearward, 3" adjustment forward and 1.5" upward with out adjusting the hydraulic lines.
This product is supplied with all hardware needed to make installation very simple and straight forward.
These risers have been black anodized to provide protection to the outside elements.
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You won the lottery, right? Besides, they're, wait, wait,----BLACK!!! 8) When will we see a set on yer bike?
:chugbeer:
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When will we see a set on yer bike?
:chugbeer:
Maybe... I just sent them a message... (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/smiley_dunno.gif)
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FWIW, I just ain't feeling em, they just look robotish to me and out of character for the lines of the 14. Maybe on a Buel or Duc? They do look like they would have a spot for tassles and a cup holder :yikes: :rotflmao: :chugbeer: :grouphug: :stirpot:
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FWIW, I just ain't feeling em, they just look robotish to me and out of character for the lines of the 14. Maybe on a Buel or Duc?
I didn't think they look too bad, I think they're better looking than the Heli option?? (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/smiley_dunno.gif)
http://www.helibars.com/product/new-multi-adjustable-handlebars-c14 (http://www.helibars.com/product/new-multi-adjustable-handlebars-c14)
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Not sure, I'd have to see em side by side to decide which looked oddest. I am sold on the LSLs, maybe differant bars, but that makes the choice an easy one.
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Me likes! :)
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Wouldn't you know it... The same price as Heli's. If they were cheaper and brushed aluminum, I would consider them.
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Interesting and although they may be justified in the price, it is too much for me until I can get a few other things that I need first. I think you should buy them so we can see some better photos.... :o lol
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Jay, the light bulb just came on, think how much money you'll be saving by not having the OEM bars powdercoated :)
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The thing I like about them is the many multi-adjust options, which is much better IMO than a one size fits all... For me I'd like more pull back but not necessarily taller etc...
The things I don't really like about them though is all the silver bolts (easy fix) but more importantly that I'd lose my built in ram ball mount and powerlet plug that my Heli risers have, so I'd have to find another solution for my gps... :-\
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Interesting. Anybody know of a review or detailed overview of these?
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Sorry, but I think they are ugly as hell in black. The HeliBar Horizons look about 1000 times better, and not just because they are colored the way aluminum is supposed to be.
But they do have different functionality. The ugly PE ones have fascinating telescoping extensions, something the Horizons do not. But the Horizon's have a twisty droop angle thing I think the PE's do not. It is hard to tell, because there is so little info on the PE ones.
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Jay, the light bulb just came on, think how much money you'll be saving by not having the OEM bars powdercoated :)
That did cross my mind Chet, although since I'm still having all the other parts powder coated I wouldn't save all that much, but it would eliminate the need to powder coat my bars, risers, and wedges... :-\
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The HeliBar Horizons look about 1000 times better
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Once again I disagree with you Max, those Heli Horizon bars look to have tons of adjustability which is awesome and most likely very comfortable...
But they are butt ugly IMO... :doublepuke:
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I miss the 4-way adjustables on my ole Seca 900!
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I'd like to try a set, either one will do but I can't justify the expense, espescillaly not knowing if I would like them, besides my bike is a 2008, these things are 10% of the value of the bike.-lol
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I'd like to try a set, either one will do but I can't justify the expense, espescillaly not knowing if I would like them, besides my bike is a 2008, these things are 10% of the value of the bike.-lol
Very hard for me to justify the price of either one also. Same reason I'm getting canyon cages instead of top blocks. Does that make me a cheapskate or just frugal? ;D
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I've been debating for a couple days about getting these... :-\
I'm intrigued enough about em that I'm gonna go ahead and get a set, I'll post up some pics and feedback when they arrive and get installed... ;D 8)
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Way to go Jay. What color are you getting?
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Way to go Jay. What color are you getting?
BLACK indeed GP! 8)
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Just checking. ;D You could have them anodized gold to match the forks.
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Just checking. ;D You could have them anodized gold to match the forks.
:rotflmao: ;D
I think the black anodized bars are gonna look very nice with the gold Ohlins forks... 8)
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I've been debating for a couple days about getting these... :-\
I'm intrigued enough about em that I'm gonna go ahead and get a set, I'll post up some pics and feedback when they arrive and get installed... ;D 8)
Looking forward to the pics Jay...lol...actually I really am.
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Looking forward to the pics Jay...lol...actually I really am.
Will do bro! :chugbeer:
Why is it that I'm always the Guinea Pig for newly released products?? (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/smiley_dunno.gif)
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...says the guy with that sig line. 8)
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...says the guy with that sig line. 8)
:rotflmao: :-[ ;)
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Jay, you should be getting a commission for testing and reviewing these products. We thank you for leading the way. :thumbs:
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Jay, you should be getting a commission for testing and reviewing these products. We thank you for leading the way. :thumbs:
:goodpost: :grouphug: :) Thanks brutha, I feel I have a responsibility to create new farkle options for us all to enjoy for a long time! ;)
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And here I thought yanking flies and getting a PCIII was a reach :o Jay, you have the flyectomy, PCV and auto tune, right? And of course, the ZX14 TBs SHOULD be a given ;)
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I should also add that when I spoke to them I brought up the idea of a possible group buy for us on here, (obviously only if they work out as I hope and I can vouch for them)...
So if anyone on here is intrigued about this multi-adjust bars setup please post on this thread so that I can get a gage on how many folks might be willing to participate in a group buy for a discounted price and then I'll give them a shout about options...
Thanks! :chugbeer:
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And here I thought yanking flies and getting a PCIII was a reach :o Jay, you have the flyectomy, PCV and auto tune, right? And of course, the ZX14 TBs SHOULD be a given ;)
One is "never" done Chet... ;)
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One is "never" done Chet... ;)
Jay, I think your C14 just gets farkles added to it and only sees the light of day to make a trip to the end of your driveway for a photo shoot every month or so. ;D
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Jay, I think your C14 just gets farkles added to it and only sees the light of day to make a trip to the end of your driveway for a photo shoot every month or so. ;D
:rotflmao: And sometimes she just lays down and takes a nap at the end of the driveway to eh Jeremy! :o ;) ;D
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:rotflmao: And sometimes she just lays down and takes a nap at the end of the driveway to eh Jeremy! :o ;) ;D
Black bikes do tend to be a little "lazier" than their silverdammit counterparts. ;)
This is why silverdammit C14's build up miles while black C14's get their beauty sleep. 51,000 miles and I still smile every time I go for a ride.
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Black bikes do tend to be a little "lazier" than their silverdammit counterparts. ;)
This is why silverdammit C14's build up miles while black C14's get their beauty sleep. 51,000 miles and I still smile every time I go for a ride.
:rotflmao:
Black bike's have the advantage of being able to catch some "Z's", then wake up and blast past those silverdammits bro... ;D :stirpot: :chugbeer:
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Is there such a thing as "Blackdammit"?
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Is there such a thing as "Blackdammit"?
Nope it is referred to as 'BlackDidYaBlink'........ :P
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Nope it is referred to as 'BlackDidYaBlink'........ :P
That is commonly called REM Sleep :o
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ZG,
Interested in a group buy if you find them to your liking.
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ZG,
Interested in a group buy if you find them to your liking.
Thakns TJ! :chugbeer:
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Very hard for me to justify the price of either one also. Same reason I'm getting canyon cages instead of top blocks. Does that make me a cheapskate or just frugal? ;D
Yes...
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I am in for group buy!
Jay H
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Ok, good news brutha's!!
I spoke to Precision Engineering today and they will now offer a discount for the fine folks on this forum, the discount is $150 off!! (that's almost 25%) (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/dsjadkljajs.gif)
The discount code at checkout is "zg150", the discount is good starting today and will run through September 9th! (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/sakdjiu.gif)
Mine will be arriving tomorrow, I'll post up some out of box pics for ya'll. 8)
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Mine will be arriving tomorrow, I'll post up some out of box pics for ya'll. 8)
Already seen pictures. I want to take'em for a test ride. ;D
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Do they adjust lower than stock?
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I actually might be interested, It will be hard to swing after just buying the Canyon Cage though. Would like to hear your thoughts on them before I totally commit.
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Do they adjust lower than stock?
That is probably a complicated question. It appears they can be as low as you want to go, because they pivot at the triple tree (head).... well, low enough to be impractical. But they still have a minimum "length" when fully retracted (non-telescoped).
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That is probably a complicated question. It appears they can be as low as you want to go, because they pivot at the triple tree (head).... well, low enough to be impractical. But they still have a minimum "length" when fully retracted (non-telescoped).
You're right Max. Pivoting at the base will allow them to tip back which in effect will lower them, but not necessarily in a comfortable position. I guess a better question would be 'What is the height in the collasped position as compared to stock?'
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It appears to have up and down, forward/backward adjustability but not horizontally adjustable. That is where I would like to change the the angle, where the handgrips are.
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It appears to have up and down, forward/backward adjustability but not horizontally adjustable. That is where I would like to change the the angle, where the handgrips are.
Is that top connection a ball joint? That would allow some adjustment like you're talking about. To me, the stock grip angle is too far back and I believe that's what causes the sore wrists and numb finger problem.
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Hey Jay, did you notice the resevoir covers? Black highlighted with silver, of course ;D
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Let us know the final price when they arrive. I just met a fellow member who had Heli's on his 2011 C14. Very nice and clean looking. If PE's are 200 cheaper than Heli's, PE's might get my vote. I just don't like them in black
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Do they adjust lower than stock?
I'm not 100% on that GP, but if you give them a call I'm sure they could tell ya. Ask for Andy, he's a great guy and I'm sure he'll help you... Make sure to tell him you're from the ZG forum. :chugbeer:
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I actually might be interested, It will be hard to swing after just buying the Canyon Cage though. Would like to hear your thoughts on them before I totally commit.
I'll definately post my comments on them MJ, mine will arrive tomorrow but unfortunately won't get installed until the week of 8/20 when I get my triple clamps powder coated black...
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It appears to have up and down, forward/backward adjustability but not horizontally adjustable. That is where I would like to change the the angle, where the handgrips are.
I'm not sure about that adjustment QM, but sounds like an easy fix with Murphs wedges under em... :-\
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Let us know the final price when they arrive. I just met a fellow member who had Heli's on his 2011 C14. Very nice and clean looking. If PE's are 200 cheaper than Heli's, PE's might get my vote. I just don't like them in black
Not sure what you mean by "final price" MV? ??? The current $150 ZG forum discount makes them just under $500...
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Ordered Wednesday and they arrived today, now that's some fast order fulfillment! :)
Here's a couple quick phone pics, not the greatest pics I know but should still give you an idea...
The parts are machined very nice, quality looks good, parts packaged nicely to separate the parts and sides! :thumbs:
The instructions are pretty straight forward, I think instead of waiting for my powder coat work in a week I might just install them this weekend so I can try em out, more to come on that... :-\
So far so good! ;D
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/smdkajs.jpg)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/skdskaaa.jpg)
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It looks like you use the stock bars in these risers. Should make install easy.
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It looks like you use the stock bars in these risers. Should make install easy.
Yep, you don't even need to remove your controls and grips etc, just undo that one bolt and slide it out of the oem and put it into these, hence why I'm thinking try em out for a week before the triples get powder coated. :)
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By all means my good Sir. Inquiring minds want to know.
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Hi ZG. another great acquisition to the Connie, i think they look great. Quick question though: can you rotate the position of the grip? meaning can it be adjusted out from the oem setup or more in for that matter? I hope am making some sense here..
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Hi ZG. another great acquisition to the Connie, i think they look great. Quick question though: can you rotate the position of the grip? meaning can it be adjusted out from the oem setup or more in for that matter? I hope am making some sense here..
Thanks CH. Do you mean the angle or the in/out length? ???
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The angle as opposed to the original position we get oem.
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The angle as opposed to the original position we get oem.
Hmmm... Well, I'm not 100% sure because I haven't mounted em yet but my gut thinks no, for that adjustment simply putting Murphs wedges underneath them just like on the oem bars would achieve that. Once I get em mounted though I'll probably have better insight.
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Thanks ZG, looking forward to to see them mounted and your overall take on them. :thumbs:
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Thanks ZG, looking forward to to see them mounted and your overall take on them. :thumbs:
Will do brutha, hopefully tomorrow. :chugbeer:
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Will do brutha, hopefully tomorrow. :chugbeer:
Your wife have some free time then?
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It may have been asked but will the grips alone rotate front to back? I understand that wedges will adjust the up and down position. Thanks.
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It may have been asked but will the grips alone rotate front to back? I understand that wedges will adjust the up and down position. Thanks.
Do you mean if you're looking straight down on them from up above (like... / or l or \), if so then yes they appear to have that ajustibility.
Your wife have some free time then?
;D ;D ;D :battle:
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great, so where are the pics?
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Installed!!!
First let me start off by saying I am no wrencher, far from it, putting gas in is about the extent of it for me... :-[
I installed these myself and it was very straight forward and easy to do, if I can do it anybody can... ;)
I did the right side first, took me about an hour, some of that because I forgot to put the washers in and most of it was just getting them positioned how I liked best. Multi-adjust is an understatement, man there are alot of adjustments in lots of directions...
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/swiqe.gif)
I found that doing just one side all the way through is a good approach, this allowed me to compare my original setup on the left with the new setup on the right, then it was just a matter of fine tuning how I wanted it to be set.
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/55ef7334.jpg)
After the learning lesson on the right side, the left side only took me about 15 minutes, it was nice because as I did the left side I already new what adjustment spots I wanted (from the right side) and was able to fully tighten bolts as I went. :thumbs:
I then went for about an hour ride and brought my allen wrench's, I pulled over twice and re-adjusted, pretty quick process to adjust on the fly.
All and all I'm quite pleased with these, now that I've got them adjusted to where I like em. The final setup brings the bars a little higher, a little further back, and angled more (like 7:30 & 4:30 if looking straight at it from the top) than my prior setup with the oem bars. :)
Here are some of my thoughts good and bad...
- The black finish looks great, I didn't think I'd like the silver bolts but they actually match my Pazzo levers perfect (also black with silver bolts)!
- The adjustability is really great, I'm a short guy so the ability to adjust for me is awesome, I bet a tall guy would also be able to say the same adjusting them to their liking as well.
- The bars in the collapsed position are about the same height as oem bars, the height adjustment is 1.5", I had 2" risers and Murphs wedges prior with the oem bars, so when I first installed them I did not add my 2" risers and they felt a little shorter than I had and liked (just my preference, maybe not for other folks that are taller), so I then added my 2" Heli risers back under them.
- I couldn't add my Murphs wedges because the holes for the bolts at the bottom of the bases are too small for the angled washers needed for wedges. I think this is an easy fix though if PE wants to add this option for folks that like that angle, I think that PE could make an optional insert (7 in the diagram I posted prior) with just a different angle to it, pic below of how it comes right now and you can see the current angle, easy fix IMO but I'm no machinist...
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/238d6e66.jpg)
- The small allen bolts (11 & 9 on the diagram) are kind of a pain but not a deal breaker by any means... I'm afraid if you were to lose those it might not be such an easy bolt to find, I may ask for a couple spares from PE for future just in case I lose one somehow or one strips out.
- For the adjustment of pulling them more towards you (where the base attaches to the arm 1 & 5 in the diagram) I wish had the holes closer togother (like the insert does, 7 in the diagram) this would allow even more adjustment points. I like where I have them right now but I almost wish I could be right in between the hole I'm in now and the next one down. I'm gonna reach out to PE on Monday to discuss this option with them...
My final adjustment (for now at least) is I actually extended them all the way up, so that's 1.5" plus my 2" Heli risers under em (again I'm a short guy) and I angled the bars back to furthest mark which as I said puts them at about 7:30 & 4:30 looking from the top, and the pull back just in the middle. :)
Anyways, all and all I'm happy and I do give these bars the ZG approval! :thumbs:
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Here's some pics for ya... :)
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Nice looking bike there Jay, cannot wait to see the gold. Comparing your bike to mine I am wondering if is worth trying. With the exception of mine coming straight back about 1.5" I have them perfect.
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/2007electraroad/IMG_1183.jpg)
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Installed!!!
Congrats and thanks for all the info and pics. I agree that it looks like it would have made for sense for them to have more adjustability on the bottom (more holes). Maybe it would have compromised strength, though. I am also surprised they don't telescope more than that! I guess I didn't catch the 1.5" on the previous specs- just LOOKS like they would adjust more; especially at that price and seeing that most people will want more than 1.5" of added height/length.
Is there a swivel adjustment at the top, so the bars can be angled in or out more? I still can't tell from the photos or descriptions (looks like there is and that is what you were trying to show in the second photo.
You actually have enough length for all the hoses and wiring using those things fully extended AND on top of 2" risers??? If so- wow!
I still say it is a huge shame they don't offer them in aluminum color.
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Way to go on the install bro. Guess I don't get the two inch risers :(
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Way to go on the install bro.
Thanks bro! I even got some sort of dirt or something underneath one of my fingernails! ;D :o :'( :chugbeer:
Guess I don't get the two inch risers :(
Sorry bro... :(
Is there a swivel adjustment at the top, so the bars can be angled in or out more? I still can't tell from the photos or descriptions (looks like there is and that is what you were trying to show in the second photo.
Yes, the top has swivel adjustment. That's what I was trying to describe by saying 4:30 and 7:30 position, you could make them 9:00 and 3:00 if you wanted.
You actually have enough length for all the hoses and wiring using those things fully extended AND on top of 2" risers??? If so- wow!
Length has never been an issue for me Max... ;) :-X
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Ok, now I'm just playing around with the adjustments... ;D
Anyone seen that movie "The Worlds Fastest Indian" with Anthony Hopkins?
Obviously you'd have to rotate the resevoirs and the levers but you get the idea, check out the right side bar... 8)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/ef403a7d.jpg)
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Nice looking bike there Jay, cannot wait to see the gold.
Thanks bro! :chugbeer:
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Interesting looking and concept, and they come in black... 8)
http://www.preeng.com/xcart/product.php?productid=56&cat=11&page=1 (http://www.preeng.com/xcart/product.php?productid=56&cat=11&page=1)
These adjustable handlebars are CNC machined out of billet 6061 aluminum. These are completely adjustable vertically, forward, backward for a super customizable riding position. These risers will allow 3" of adjustment rearward, 3" adjustment forward and 1.5" upward with out adjusting the hydraulic lines.
This product is supplied with all hardware needed to make installation very simple and straight forward.
These risers have been black anodized to provide protection to the outside elements.
Is that the price with the discount? Ouch.
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Is that the price with the discount? Ouch.
No, that is the price before discount. Still "Ouch", though :)
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Well done J! Did you get the dirt out from under your nail? :o
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Ok, now I'm just playing around with the adjustments... ;D
Anyone seen that movie "The Worlds Fastest Indian" with Anthony Hopkins?
Obviously you'd have to rotate the resevoirs and the levers but you get the idea, check out the right side bar... 8)
GO GO Gadget!
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Well done J! Did you get the dirt out from under your nail? :o
Thanks and yes C. :)
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Is that the price with the discount? Ouch.
Normal price is $650, I got them to give you guys a $150 discount for a 30 day window, so if you buy them before September 9th they're only $500.
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;D
I do have to chuckle about this a bit.... you just popped $3k+ for a full Ohlens setup, and now another $500 to toss a set of apehangers on there.....
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :chugbeer: :thumbs:
I just picture Dennis Hopper yelling to Peter Fonda....
"dude, them Ohlens are freaking awesome in chrome mannnnnn"
(http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/04/20/nicolhopper460.jpg)
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;D
I do have to chuckle about this a bit.... you just popped $3k+ for a full Ohlens setup, and now another $500 to toss a set of apehangers on there...
??? Ape hangers?? :o
Far from it MOB, they just have multiple adjustment points, I road out through the twisties with em in the lowest position today and the swivel angle at about 4:00 and 7:00 and they work quite well! :thumbs: :)
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Hey ZG,
So are you sitting upright now, no weight on your wrists, or? Any chance of a shot with you in situ?
With the risers underneath and the extra extension of these bars how taught is your brake line? I have helibars risers and murph's wedges and the brake line is as tight as I would want it to get.
They do look a bit agricultural I have to say, but the black does appear to blend them reasonably well on a black bike.
Buuuuut I type this sitting here with still a very faint numbess in the two outer fingers of my right hand.
I've thought about the helibars horizons, but I'm sorry they are just too awful looking. There are only so many sacrifices I am prepared to make, judge me not.
Black GTRs for life!
Glenn.
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I've thought about the helibars horizons, but I'm sorry they are just too awful looking. There are only so many sacrifices I am prepared to make, judge me not.
Agreed! :doublepuke:
With the risers underneath and the extra extension of these bars how taught is your brake line? I have helibars risers and murph's wedges and the brake line is as tight as I would want it to get.
Hey G,
Stock lines with just these bars will work just fine, but with 2" risers and these bars all the way extended you'd most likely need longer lines, when I switched over to braided lines I ordered the front lines 2" longer, so mine reach just fine with both 2" risers and these multi-adjust bars all the way extended...
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Agreed! :doublepuke:
You both b whacked!
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Stock lines with just these bars will work just fine, but with 2" risers and these bars all the way extended you'd most likely need longer lines, when I switched over to braided lines I ordered the front lines 2" longer, so mine reach just fine with both 2" risers and these multi-adjust bars all the way extended...
Poo.
And the weight on your wrists, or not?
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And the weight on your wrists, or not?
I haven't done any long distance rides yet G, but the initial feel is great! :)
More to come by the end of the week...
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One is "never" done Chet... ;)
When you are finally done, you will sell it......I am sure of it. :P
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When you are finally done, you will sell it......I am sure of it. :P
And then buy a black 2012 Concours and start all over again. I told him several times this will happen...
I think it would be more fun to watch him convert a red Concours to 100% red. Red handlebars, red wheels, red pegs, red windshield....
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When you are finally done, you will sell it......I am sure of it. :P
Probably P, probably... ;)
And then buy a black 2012 Concours and start all over again. I told him several times this will happen...
Linked brakes?? :o
Never... ;D
I think it would be more fun to watch him convert a red Concours to 100% red. Red handlebars, red wheels, red pegs, red windshield....
:rotflmao: :thumbs:
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I want the bars closer and lower so this looks like the perfect solution.
Do you notice any change in Vibration to the grips with these bars?
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I want the bars closer and lower so this looks like the perfect solution.
Do you notice any change in Vibration to the grips with these bars?
Nope, seem very solid to me so far. :thumbs:
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I don't really like the round tubular shape of them, but sometimes function trumps aesthetics.
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Nope, seem very solid to me so far. :thumbs:
Thanks. I think I am going to loosen the handlebars and figure out a way to rotate them back an inch or so while sitting on the bike in the garage and see how they might feel. $500 to bring the bars back an inch or two sure is a lot of $ but being able to adjust them for each type of ride situation is pretty cool.
Too many expensive items on my Mod list for this bike.
I do wonder if any other bikes Kawasaki makes use the same pattern to fasten their handlebars. Of course I'm sure that option wouldn't be any cheaper.
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- For the adjustment of pulling them more towards you (where the base attaches to the arm 1 & 5 in the diagram) I wish had the holes closer togother (like the insert does, 7 in the diagram) this would allow even more adjustment points. I like where I have them right now but I almost wish I could be right in between the hole I'm in now and the next one down. I'm gonna reach out to PE on Monday to discuss this option with them...
Ok, now I am officially impressed!!
I contacted PE on Monday regarding my wish to have one more hole for an adjustment point on the "pull back" rotation point (ie pulling the bars closer to me), they said "no problem we can put another hole in that part for you". 2 days later my new bases with the extra hole arrived... :)
WOW! Now that's some great customer service IMO!! All they asked is that I ship the original bases back to them, which is no problem at all.
The bars are absolutely perfect for me now!! ;D
Here's some pics, the first one is the newly arrived bases with the addition hole.
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/E6BFF69E-3AB7-48D4-A8D9-4341C4A2B855-5338-0000045C366EA149.jpg)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/F88F726E-445F-4ADF-A091-08CD2A987381-5338-0000045C883BFBA5.jpg)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/B6D18DB3-A1F9-4F59-BD92-A8AB0FBEB92F-5338-0000045C6EEEE053.jpg)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/0401179D-54AD-473D-A874-75D7BEB53B35-5338-0000045C61FA4320.jpg)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/B4036D23-D53A-4FCF-BC90-4A46AF171A40-5338-0000045C40C75657.jpg)
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As much as it detract from such a beautiful bike, really really really need a picture of you on the bike holding the bars 8)
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As much as it detract from such a beautiful bike, really really really need a picture of you on the bike holding the bars 8)
NO!!!! :yikes: ZG can you get your wife to sit on the bike and hold the bars? :stirpot: :popcorn:
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I would be satisfied with a lot less adjustability, as long as I could swing the grips outward just a little to reduce the twisting strain on my wrists that I believe to be the main cause of pain/numbness.
These do look pretty good to me, except for the way the extension sections look when they're pulled out. That little series of holes and the silver Allen head screws are just plain distracting. Couldn't they have put them on the underneath side and more out of sight?
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NO!!!! :yikes: ZG can you get your wife to sit on the bike and hold the bars? :stirpot: :popcorn:
Like this? ;D ;)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/sadkjkasj.jpg)
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Like this? ;D ;)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/sadkjkasj.jpg)
Oh yesss. :P
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Like this? ;D ;)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/sadkjkasj.jpg)
He said YOUR wife, not mine ;D
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He said YOUR wife, not mine ;D
Holy ****, your wife was at my place last night?!
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Holy ****, your wife was at my place last night?!
She left early, something about a "Minute Man"? ;D
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Yeah, she said, "Who you going to please with THAT?" And I said, "ME!"
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She left early, something about a "Minute Man"? ;D
A minute, you give me too much credit ;D
Sorry for derailing your thread, ZG ::)
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Thanks for the additional photos. Question. If you only needed one fastener to hold the bars in place then why are the holes going all the way around the base?
Looks like the design is still in some flux. Do I jump on them or wait for gen 2. Mmm.
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Thanks for the additional photos. Question. If you only needed one fastener to hold the bars in place then why are the holes going all the way around the base?
The holes on the arm are not symmetrical, only the holes on the bases are. The small bolt that you see can be placed in any of the holes, hence the adjustment points. The holes in the bases are just holes, but the holes in the arms (that the small bolt threads into) are tapped, so it was easier for PE to just drill a hole in the base for me rather than adding and additional tapped hole. Make sense??
Looks like the design is still in some flux. Do I jump on them or wait for gen 2. Mmm.
Well, I'd think the current ZG $150 discount is worth pulling the trigger, the discount only goes for another 3 weeks...
I know I'm happy. :)
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Just ordered a set of these bars. Going to mount them without risers and my goal is to bring them closer and turn them in a little. I thing I need to find the optimum handlebar position before I try seat options.
I sat on a friends Concours with a Corbin seat and for the me the seat made me want to have the bars back at least 6 inches because the seat position is so upright.
I like the forward lean of the stock seat. The foam is just too soft for distance riding IMO.
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I would be satisfied with a lot less adjustability, as long as I could swing the grips outward just a little to reduce the twisting strain on my wrists that I believe to be the main cause of pain/numbness.
This.
I am really agonising over getting something. I was noticing the angle of my arm to my hand the other day while riding, and my arm defeinitly pokes out at the elbow like a chicken wing (to overexagerate). I went down and sat on the bike bike tonight, assumed the position as it were, and could really see how this outward twist in my arm extends down to put weight on the outer edge of my palm. I also noticed that if I pretended I was braking hard into a corner (work with me here, guys), the angle of my arm twisting out was even more pronounced and I could feel this leverage effect putting even more weight on the outer edge of my palm - this I am going to assume is where my nerve damage came from that is still not 100% healed. When I straight armed myself, so there was a straight line down my arm over my hand, I could feel my weight evenly distrubted over my palm and even pretending to brake hard while my arm still chicken wings slightly, it is no where near as pronounced and the weight stays mostly across my palm.
I am personally convinced unless I do something like these risers that will twist the grip outwards I will have to sell the bike as it would seem a day of hard riding in the twisties leaves me a cripple (or at least having the pleasure of a stranger doing it (if you have to ask, you don't want to know)).
GAH! I really wanted some exhausts, but these "practical" mods keep getting in the way. I'll have to ask if they post to Australia.
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Glennn,
You did make motor noises while you were doing all that right? If not, get back out there and try it again! ;)
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This.
I am really agonising over getting something. I was noticing the angle of my arm to my hand the other day while riding, and my arm defeinitly pokes out at the elbow like a chicken wing (to overexagerate). I went down and sat on the bike bike tonight, assumed the position as it were, and could really see how this outward twist in my arm extends down to put weight on the outer edge of my palm. I also noticed that if I pretended I was braking hard into a corner (work with me here, guys), the angle of my arm twisting out was even more pronounced and I could feel this leverage effect putting even more weight on the outer edge of my palm - this I am going to assume is where my nerve damage came from that is still not 100% healed. When I straight armed myself, so there was a straight line down my arm over my hand, I could feel my weight evenly distrubted over my palm and even pretending to brake hard while my arm still chicken wings slightly, it is no where near as pronounced and the weight stays mostly across my palm.
I am personally convinced unless I do something like these risers that will twist the grip outwards I will have to sell the bike as it would seem a day of hard riding in the twisties leaves me a cripple (or at least having the pleasure of a stranger doing it (if you have to ask, you don't want to know)).
GAH! I really wanted some exhausts, but these "practical" mods keep getting in the way. I'll have to ask if they post to Australia.
I had the same problem with the palm to handlebar alignment. A few months after buying my 2010, I went on a 3600 mile 9 day ride. It took months to get the feeling back in the third finger of my right hand.
After chatting with Phil (of Phil's Farkles) about it, I installed a set of his (now Murphs) wedges, and that seems to have fixed the issue for me. If funds are tight, that might be a acceptable solution too.
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I had the same problem with the palm to handlebar alignment. A few months after buying my 2010, I went on a 3600 mile 9 day ride. It took months to get the feeling back in the third finger of my right hand.
After chatting with Phil (of Phil's Farkles) about it, I installed a set of his (now Murphs) wedges, and that seems to have fixed the issue for me. If funds are tight, that might be a acceptable solution too.
The wedges certainly helped, but did not completely solve the issue for me. I really wish someone just sold the round grip bars with a slight angle in them where they join the uprights (I calculated 6% for me). That would move the bar end weights towards the front of the bike slightly and would create an angle that would fit my palm much better.
(Might even make them out of something a little heavier to help with the vibrations.)
Phil?? ;)
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I had the same problem with the palm to handlebar alignment. A few months after buying my 2010, I went on a 3600 mile 9 day ride. It took months to get the feeling back in the third finger of my right hand.
After chatting with Phil (of Phil's Farkles) about it, I installed a set of his (now Murphs) wedges, and that seems to have fixed the issue for me. If funds are tight, that might be a acceptable solution too.
+1
Phil's (now Murph's) wedges are the cure for a lot of these types of hand problems. I highly recommend them and I have them installed under my 2" risers.
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After chatting with Phil (of Phil's Farkles) about it, I installed a set of his (now Murphs) wedges, and that seems to have fixed the issue for me. If funds are tight, that might be a acceptable solution too.
Yeah I've got both the risers and wedges, do help a little, but there is still an acute twist to my wrist. Iffn I get these PE handlebars I'll keep the risers initially as they should work without extending the brake lines (reading what Jay has done for us), and twisting the handles out might also give enough slack to pull them back a notch too.
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Holy snapping duck-poo their international shipping rates wipe out the discount. Hopefully they will accept my freight forwarder address.
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Yeah I've got both the risers and wedges, do help a little, but there is still an acute twist to my wrist. Iffn I get these PE handlebars I'll keep the risers initially as they should work without extending the brake lines (reading what Jay has done for us), and twisting the handles out might also give enough slack to pull them back a notch too.
Why wouldn't you remove the risers and just extend the new bars? Unless you were planning on extending them AND using risers to get them into ape-hanger territory. :o
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Why wouldn't you remove the risers and just extend the new bars? Unless you were planning on extending them AND using risers to get them into ape-hanger territory. :o
Two reasons - the practical one is I don't want to lose the GPS ram mount attachment point in the risers. The other less practical one is I don't need yet another bike accessory gathering dust on a shelf ::)
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To get the rotation of the bars outward would require an eccentric mount for the handlebar. Cycle Cat had these beautiful aftermarket clipons (for Ducatis and Aprilias) that did just that. But I think that would require a redesign of how the bars mount to the riser portion... If these could do that. I snap up a set in a New York minute...
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To get the rotation of the bars outward would require an eccentric mount for the handlebar. Cycle Cat had these beautiful aftermarket clipons (for Ducatis and Aprilias) that did just that. But I think that would require a redesign of how the bars mount to the riser portion... If these could do that. I snap up a set in a New York minute...
I'm not sure exactly what your post means, but the Precision Engineering bars do allow the grip portion of the handlebars to rotate towards or away from the rider.
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I'm not sure exactly what your post means, but the Precision Engineering bars do allow the grip portion of the handlebars to rotate towards or away from the rider.
Correct. :thumbs:
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Set ordered. Damn you, ZG (and thank you for getting us a discount).
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A quick update on this...
Some of you may already know that my bike is in the shop right now getting some other work done to it, one thing being some powder coat work...
My shop ground down the outer diameter of the angled washers for Murphs wedges and the outer diameter of the bolt heads that go through the bars to mount to the upper triple clamp, and now everything will fit just fine, which means I can now also use my wedges with these new multi-adjustable bars!! :)
Here's some pics, you'll also notice that I had my Heli risers and Murphs wedges powder coated black, looking sharp IMO! 8)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/WEDGEWASHERMOD.jpg)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/RISERCLOSEUP.jpg)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/RISERS.jpg)
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Set ordered. Damn you, ZG (and thank you for getting us a discount).
;D ;D ;D
My pleasure RQ! :chugbeer:
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I'm not sure exactly what your post means, but the Precision Engineering bars do allow the grip portion of the handlebars to rotate towards or away from the rider.
What I meant was the way the angle of the bars are rotated in relation to the bike. I understand the the base can rotate fore and aft, but some of us would like the bare (the parts that the switch gear and grips are on) could rotate their angle of attack. I other words, have the grips closer to perpendicular to the bike. Others have done a better job of describing this With 8x10 color glossies with circles and arrows. ;)
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Here's some pics, you'll also notice that I had my Heli risers and Murphs wedges powder coated black, looking sharp IMO! 8)
UHH, why not the bolts? :-\
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UHH, why not the bolts? :-\
;D ;D ;D
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What I meant was the way the angle of the bars are rotated in relation to the bike. I understand the the base can rotate fore and aft, but some of us would like the bare (the parts that the switch gear and grips are on) could rotate their angle of attack. I other words, have the grips closer to perpendicular to the bike. Others have done a better job of describing this With 8x10 color glossies with circles and arrows. ;)
The bar with the switch gear can rotate perpendicular to the riser. So, if you have the riser completely vertical you can rotate the bar on the horizontal plane. If you rotate the riser (what you are calling the base) towards the rider, the bar with the swithgear now rotates at a downward angle the more you rotate the bar closer to the rider.
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Ok, now I am officially impressed!!
I contacted PE on Monday regarding my wish to have one more hole for an adjustment point on the "pull back" rotation point (ie pulling the bars closer to me), they said "no problem we can put another hole in that part for you". 2 days later my new bases with the extra hole arrived... :)
WOW! Now that's some great customer service IMO!! All they asked is that I ship the original bases back to them, which is no problem at all.
The bars are absolutely perfect for me now!! ;D
Here's some pics, the first one is the newly arrived bases with the addition hole.
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/E6BFF69E-3AB7-48D4-A8D9-4341C4A2B855-5338-0000045C366EA149.jpg)
Just got my set delivered. Guess what... the "ZG Hole" (insert inappropriate comment here) is now "standard". I'll be even MORE impressed if my positioning uses that new hole.
For those paying attention, I ordered last Wednesday, and they got here in just 6 days (3 of which were a holiday weekend). Impressed.
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ZG's bike is always in the shop. ;)
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Just got my set delivered. Guess what... the "ZG Hole" (insert inappropriate comment here) is now "standard". I'll be even MORE impressed if my positioning uses that new hole.
For those paying attention, I ordered last Wednesday, and they got here in just 6 days (3 of which were a holiday weekend). Impressed.
Congrats RQ! :chugbeer:
ZG's bike is always in the shop. ;)
:battle: ;)
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Just got my set delivered. Guess what... the "ZG Hole" (insert inappropriate comment here) is now "standard". I'll be even MORE impressed if my positioning uses that new hole.
Be interesting to see if I have the ZG ZG mod. Ordered on the 30th but thanks to a small hold-up only hit the freight forwarder today so looking at an ETA of early next week.
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Just a quick reminder guys, the $150 ZG discount ends this weekend...
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Anyone have any experience comparing the Heli Horizons to these? I have the Heli's, and while they are great, I wish the arms that come from the steering clamp adjusted up and down. The Heli's are a bit too close to me with my arm length, and being able to adjust them so they are shorter would be great.
Anyone tried them both yet?
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Jay's such a BAD influence... :o Another set sold... Gotta thank Jay for the phone call. I'm pretty sure these will allow me to make the tweaks necessary to reduce my shoulder issues. I've been using the 1 1/2" risers and just for yucks I took them off. That actually redued my (right) shoulder discomfort. Makes me think that I don't need the additional height, but pulling them back a bit and rotating the bars forward will be just about perfect.
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Jay's such a BAD influence... :o Another set sold... Gotta thank Jay for the phone call. I'm pretty sure these will allow me to make the tweaks necessary to reduce my shoulder issues. I've been using the 1 1/2" risers and just for yucks I took them off. That actually redued my (right) shoulder discomfort. Makes me think that I don't need the additional height, but pulling them back a bit and rotating the bars forward will be just about perfect.
No worries bro, happy to help, nice chatting with ya! :chugbeer:
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Got my PE bars yesterday, looking the goods and they also have ZG's mod. Should get them on this weekend.
Have a week of touring coming up at the end of October - make or break time for this bike and me.
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It's amazing the difference a few degrees can make! Personally, I don;t think the look too bad and having the risers angles a few degrees more towards me and raised about an inch higher than stock. I also was able to rotate the bar ends forward a few degrees too. Now ergonomics of the bars is SO much better! The Zumo 550 Techmount won't work without a mod, but I rather like the way I remounted the Zumo and Escort.
Here's a couple of crappy iPhone pics...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vkDuA8fqWJ0/UFUeMijXXSI/AAAAAAAAC3Y/6REvlfQHFPs/s640/PE%2520bars%25201.JPG)
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Nice, congrats Ray! (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/sakdjiu.gif)
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Installed mine yesterday on top of risers. Wanted to utilise Jay's mod but too low. So far am at the adjustment bolt at about 7 oclock, bars extended so two bolt holes visible, grips aligned so they are turned down one setting from horizontal. I think I could use Jay's mod if I had longer brake lines, but two holes is the extent of the extension on top of the risers. Felt good on a little run yesterday, will try a longer run later today. Pressure is definitly more across my palm instead of on the outer edges.
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Congrats Glennn, welcome to the cool and comfortable club bro! 8) :thumbs:
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R2T2......how in the hell can you ride that bike "or stand it" with all the crap on your bars? :o
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R2T2......how in the hell can you ride that bike "or stand it" with all the crap on your bars? :o
It would drive me coo-coo.
I have the Zumo mounted in the center, between the bars. Can't legally have a radar detector here (of course), but if I did, I would try ANYTHING other than that. :)
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It would drive me coo-coo.
I have the Zumo mounted in the center, between the bars. Can't legally have a radar detector here (of course), but if I did, I would try ANYTHING other than that. :)
Crap??? I have a radar detector and the Zumo. The only other things are the Smartcord (for the escort) and the switch for my auxiliary lights. Maxtog my Zumo was mounted in the center, but to do that now would require shaving part of the Techmount base. And that would be in a part of the base at the bolt holes. So I chose to do the the way you see it. None of the stuff is welded to the bike. ::) I can always change it around if I don't like it. I had lots of RAM parts lying around and there aren't many motorcycle shoppes open at 1AM on a Saturday morning.
Oh and I forgot Snoopy, but he's been riding with for over 10 years...