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Title: other forum
Post by: hank on May 29, 2023, 01:48:44 PM
trying to get in touch with someone over there for a item for sale seller id maddog7771938
hoping someone can reach out to him and get me his number
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: Freddy on May 29, 2023, 06:44:59 PM
I sent him a PM with link to this.
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: Freddy on May 29, 2023, 09:08:56 PM
Done.
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: hank on May 31, 2023, 07:27:37 PM
thanks
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: dboogie2288 on June 12, 2023, 10:59:47 AM
I sent him a PM with link to this.

Good man. I'm almost about to hork up the cash to pay for it, but I DO-NOT-SUPPORT them in anyway. I would just consider it a cost incurred to do business and communicate with other members. I think their BS pay to play forum is against the idea of sharing of information and the whole idea of the internet.
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: Boomer on June 13, 2023, 04:19:06 AM
Good man. I'm almost about to hork up the cash to pay for it, but I DO-NOT-SUPPORT them in anyway. I would just consider it a cost incurred to do business and communicate with other members. I think their BS pay to play forum is against the idea of sharing of information and the whole idea of the internet.
100% agree. Used to be a Concours Owners Group but has now become the Concours Owners Club.
I was a proud member for many years and participant/contributor since 1994 but how the group was administered changed and the overall tone of the forum changed and not for the better.
For me the final straw was charging for forum access and I don't regret leaving as getting away from all the nastiness on there has improved my outlook no end.
There are a few C10/C14 based Facebook groups to avoid too as the trolls ruin them. Luckily there is here (thanks to Rick & all the Admins) and a few FB groups that are well administered and pleasant places to exchange information so I have no need for COG.
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: dboogie2288 on June 13, 2023, 06:55:24 AM
100% agree. Used to be a Concours Owners Group but has now become the Concours Owners Club.
I was a proud member for many years and participant/contributor since 1994 but how the group was administered changed and the overall tone of the forum changed and not for the better.
For me the final straw was charging for forum access and I don't regret leaving as getting away from all the nastiness on there has improved my outlook no end.
There are a few C10/C14 based Facebook groups to avoid too as the trolls ruin them. Luckily there is here (thanks to Rick & all the Admins) and a few FB groups that are well administered and pleasant places to exchange information so I have no need for COG.

Yeah thankfully for me, I dont have/use facebook. Never will. I too was a participating member over there for a long time starting in 2007 when I got my first 1986 ZG1000. They do however, have a much more popular classified section. That's all I'll use it for really. I dont buy much brand new, so to that end I'll buy stuff off of cog but probably wont be there for much else.
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: Big Red on June 13, 2023, 11:56:25 AM
I think their BS pay to play forum is against the idea of sharing of information and the whole idea of the internet.

That's why I left and came here. I even offered the idea of a reduced fee for simple forum access. They "declined", and were none too polite about it. Basically said the knowledge was worth the payment, and my contributions to the community were worthless.

So I took my ball and went to play over here. Might be quiet, but the people are nicer. Which is a bit odd as far as internet forums go...
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: maxtog on June 13, 2023, 04:41:03 PM
Yeah thankfully for me, I dont have/use facebook. Never will.

You sound like me.  I have absolutely ZERO "social media" accounts.  No Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, whatever.  Never have, probably never will.  I watch Youtube and Rumble without an account.  Use most forums anonymously/pseudonymously.  I have uBlockOrigin (highly recommend) installed in Firefox (highly recommend).  Block third-party cookies.  Browse unusual sites using "private" mode.  Etc.

Not interested in broadcasting my personal info all over the place for who-knows what and when.
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: maxtog on June 13, 2023, 04:46:32 PM
Might be quiet, but the people are nicer.

Well, we have had our share of drama, but nothing horrible.  Some of that is just demographic (I am not going to call us "older").  It is a lot quieter here in the last few years as the Concours is starting, unfortunately, to fade.  Sad.

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Which is a bit odd as far as internet forums go...

Yeah, I am constantly amazed at just how nasty/rude/judgemental/insane some people can be when they are online.  Things they probably would never say in person or treating people like trash.  It is a lot like the "in car" / "road rage" syndrome, where the other people on the road are not people, they are objects.
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: hank on June 14, 2023, 05:19:44 PM
Same thing here no social media
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: kzz1king on June 14, 2023, 05:58:51 PM
Havnt been by for awhile as its been pretty quiet. Stop by to find the only recent posts are bashing another forum that enjoys the same great machines we do here.  Slow couple months huh? I have been helped a great deal by both forums and try to give back.
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: PH14 on June 14, 2023, 08:06:45 PM
Havnt been by for awhile as its been pretty quiet. Stop by to find the only recent posts are bashing another forum that enjoys the same great machines we do here.  Slow couple months huh? I have been helped a great deal by both forums and try to give back.

I have as well, and also try to give back, however, I was a member of that forum for a long time, I got my C14 in 2010 and was on that forum as soon as I found it not long after. I left after the idiocy began that basically kicked everyone to the curb unless they wanted to pay. It wasn't paying that bothered me, I actually pay for other sites, including ADVRider, which doesn't require you to pay. It was the attitude they had that made me leave. I would have gladly paid to remain a member had they not been so absolutely snotty. Once in a while I consider joining, but only so I could buy easily on their for sale section, but so far I haven't. I have simply looked elsewhere. One day I might, but it will have to be for some compelling reason.
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: blue72beetle on June 14, 2023, 08:08:42 PM
I bailed on the other site when they wanted my home address just to sign up for the forum.
Ain't nothing over there so special that it can't be found anywhere else on the internet.
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: DC Concours on June 15, 2023, 09:38:08 AM
:offtopic:

Can you tell us a little more of your experience using UBO? Is it a resource hog? My chrome is a resource heavy browser as-is.
I am particularly interested in using this on older laptops I still use with less RAM and CPU power. Intel i5 with 4GB etc.



... I have uBlockOrigin (highly recommend) ...
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: maxtog on June 15, 2023, 05:12:01 PM
:offtopic:
Can you tell us a little more of your experience using UBO? Is it a resource hog? My chrome is a resource heavy browser as-is.  I am particularly interested in using this on older laptops I still use with less RAM and CPU power. Intel i5 with 4GB etc.

All multi-platform browsers that are not Firefox are Chromium.  They are all based on the same engine, controlled by Google.  Chrome, Edge, Vivaldi, Opera, Brave, etc, are all the same engine.

Firefox is more standards-based, community-driven, and more privacy-focused than Chromium browsers.  It also uses less considerably less RAM and performs just as well.  So I would recommend using it.  Adding UBO (the uBlock Origin addon) does seem to make it consume a little more RAM, but not much.  It can actually improve performance as it strips out so much junk from sites.  I have Firefox + UBO (under Linux) running on some low-end, 10-year-old i3 chips with 4GB of RAM and they do fine.  Although 4GB is pretty weak nowadays.

I simply could not tolerate the "web" without UBO (or something like it) at this point.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: DC Concours on June 16, 2023, 10:33:07 AM
Sold. Thank you Max.

I still use a couple of old laptops because I refuse to move to the cloud based subscription versions of the software I previously bought and installed on these computers. But alas, soon I might have to move because once someone edits a file in the new cloud software some of my old standalones cannot open them! Assholes.

Do you use any such add-ons/extensions for iphone browser apps? I see that ubo doesn't have any for mobile phones. I do know apps run very differently.

Title: Re: other forum
Post by: Big Red on June 16, 2023, 12:12:16 PM
More off topic nonsense Microsoft Office 2021 was the last stand-alone non-online version and it's on sale for $40 right now.
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: DC Concours on June 16, 2023, 12:24:22 PM
Thanks. That's a good deal. I am on Office 2016 which is supported till 2025. I think it's time to hoard on 2021.

People should consider buying this if they don't want to pay for stupid subscriptions. This should be supported for many years and on at least a few generations of new hardware architectures.
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: maxtog on June 16, 2023, 05:18:26 PM
Do you use any such add-ons/extensions for iphone browser apps? I see that ubo doesn't have any for mobile phones. I do know apps run very differently.

Sorry, I don't know much of anything about iOS.  All my desktops and servers are and have always been Linux, and phones/tablets are Android Linux.  I know that iOS is strange- all browsers are required to use the Safari engine, so there is no real browser choice in that space.

Thanks. That's a good deal. I am on Office 2016 which is supported till 2025. I think it's time to hoard on 2021. People should consider buying this if they don't want to pay for stupid subscriptions. This should be supported for many years and on at least a few generations of new hardware architectures.

Actually, people should also consider using something completely different, like LibreOffice  https://www.libreoffice.org  which is free, non-cloud, non-ad, private, multi-platform, community-driven, and open-source.  And it supports the MS-Office file formats.

Some major thread drift going on here :)  But hey, at least it is some traffic!
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: PH14 on June 16, 2023, 08:50:22 PM
I was going to suggest LibreOffice as well. I have used it on Linux, and and use it on my Surface Go. I have been using various open source office programs for years, OpenOffice and StarOffice. LibreOffice is really nice now. IN the past there were a lot of compromises, but now it is a very nice product, if you can call something free a product.
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: maxtog on June 17, 2023, 05:54:10 AM
I was going to suggest LibreOffice as well. I have used it on Linux, and and use it on my Surface Go. I have been using various open source office programs for years, OpenOffice and StarOffice. LibreOffice is really nice now. IN the past there were a lot of compromises, but now it is a very nice product, if you can call something free a product.

:)  Yep, I started that line with StarOffice as well!  Then OpenOffice, then LibreOffice.  It has flourished a lot.  Does still have some annoyances/issues, but that is pretty much universal with all huge software.  (Also used Unix/Linux WordPerfect, loved that, and ApplixWare).  I have hundreds of people using LibreOffice every day where I work.  Some new employees will complain a little at first, but then when they start using it for real, those complaints almost always evaporate.  So what if some screens look different or menus are laid out differently?  If you understand the concepts, the leap is not that difficult at all.
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: Stasch on June 17, 2023, 08:52:26 AM
So what if some screens look different or menus are laid out differently? 

Plus its not like Microsoft doesn't change the menus all around with each upgrade or anything !!!  (NOT)

When still working I used to hate new Windows OS releases.  Most of the users couldn't get around intuitively in a software menu to save their life in the first place, and then MS would change stuff around with no perceived benefit.  The re-training and calls for service were so needless and such a pain in the neck.
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: DC Concours on June 17, 2023, 01:44:46 PM
Thanks for the interesting conversation gentlemen. I didn't want to take us too much off topic. Using old computers with fewer updates... I am always looking at god 3rd party software to protect the system.

If the mods split the thread we can have a seperate thread.

Title: Re: other forum
Post by: VirginiaJim on June 17, 2023, 03:03:13 PM
Too late, I moved it.  Please continue.  I ain't splittin s**T...
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: maxtog on June 17, 2023, 03:37:29 PM
Thanks for the interesting conversation gentlemen. I didn't want to take us too much off topic. Using old computers with fewer updates... I am always looking at good 3rd party software to protect the system.

Switch to Linux and then you don't have to worry much about updates/malware/performance or 3rd party software.  My current recommendation is Linux Mint:

https://linuxmint.com/

It has become very popular because it is easy to install and manage, reasonable defaults, the "Cinnamon" desktop is intuitive and simple, thousands of software packages in the repo with quick and easy installation. 
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: maxtog on June 17, 2023, 03:47:42 PM
Plus its not like Microsoft doesn't change the menus all around with each upgrade or anything !!!  (NOT)

When still working I used to hate new Windows OS releases.  Most of the users couldn't get around intuitively in a software menu to save their life in the first place, and then MS would change stuff around with no perceived benefit.  The re-training and calls for service were so needless and such a pain in the neck.

I know, the excuses I hear about not using Linux, LibreOffice, Inkscape, Audacity, GIMP, etc, are usually "but users will have to re-learn everything." And I watch as what they ARE using is constantly changing, mostly in strange and irritating ways.  Plus costing money and installing a bunch of useless crap that slows down everything, along with ever more spyware and cloud-dependencies.

At least with a Linux system, there is ZERO cost to install and use, updates for many years with no cost, thousands of open-source applications to do just about anything, no need to create some "account", no spy-ware, higher security and performance, and no license fees or activation codes or forced upgrades.  I have installed hundreds of machines of various operating systems, mostly a flavor of Linux, and I think Linux Mint (and similar) are about as easy as installing anything can be.

Now, if you are a hard-core gamer or someone who absolutely needs a SPECIFIC MS-Windows/MacOS application (for which there is no open-source equivalent), Linux might not be an viable option (although you can run MS-Windows apps under Linux through WINE or VirtualBox, that isn't simple).
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: maxtog on June 17, 2023, 03:49:45 PM
Too late, I moved it.  Please continue.

Should have been in Open in the first place!

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I ain't splittin s**T...

LOL- it isn't THAT hard.  I do it all fairly often on other forums :)
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: VirginiaJim on June 17, 2023, 04:12:26 PM
Not doing it...not prudent..  I could do it but I just don't want to.
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: maxtog on June 17, 2023, 04:40:53 PM
Not doing it...not prudent..  I could do it but I just don't want to.


[Fingers in ears]  "blah blah BLAAAAAAAH... not listening!!!!!"  :)
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: PH14 on June 18, 2023, 05:54:29 AM

[Fingers in ears]  "blah blah BLAAAAAAAH... not listening!!!!!"  :)

 :rotflmao:
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: Big Red on June 19, 2023, 09:03:21 AM
I use LibreOffice as well. Works well enough for what I need it for. MSOffice compatibility isn't 100%, but plenty for me.
Title: Re: other forum
Post by: maxtog on June 19, 2023, 03:25:41 PM
I use LibreOffice as well. Works well enough for what I need it for. MSOffice compatibility isn't 100%, but plenty for me.

It will probably never be 100%.  But, ironically, even different versions of MS-Office are not 100% compatible with each other :)

That said, the two biggest issues of document "compatibility" come down mostly to the document creator using strange fonts that others don't have, and the substituted fonts don't exactly match the spacial dimensions.  And the other is poor document formatting (like using spaces instead of tab sets or indent) and the document falls apart with reasonable changes.  That is intensified if combined with non "standard" fonts.