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Re: Traction control and ABS
« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2013, 12:22:51 PM »
Man, I miss carb's.  I think we rely so much on technology, EFI just made us a bunch of sissies.  I miss having to play around with the choke cable... and don't even get me started about push button starting!!!   ;D
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Re: Traction control and ABS
« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2013, 01:02:53 PM »
Man, I miss carb's.  I think we rely so much on technology, EFI just made us a bunch of sissies.  I miss having to play around with the choke cable... and don't even get me started about push button starting!!!   ;D

My doctor told me to stay away from carbs. That's why both of my bikes have EFI.
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Re: Traction control and ABS
« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2013, 03:18:27 PM »
It is interesting to note that the people who say abs is unnecessary don't have abs bikes themselves; they have pre '11 C-14 bikes that lack it.
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Re: Traction control and ABS
« Reply #43 on: September 15, 2013, 04:08:16 PM »
ABS was optional on the 08/09s.  My 08 has it.
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Re: Traction control and ABS
« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2013, 04:11:00 PM »
ABS was optional on the 08/09s.  My 08 has it.

It was also optional on 2010.  2011/12/13/14 became standard equipment
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Re: Traction control and ABS
« Reply #45 on: September 15, 2013, 06:01:00 PM »
Man, I miss carb's.  I think we rely so much on technology, EFI just made us a bunch of sissies.  I miss having to play around with the choke cable... and don't even get me started about push button starting!!!   ;D

I have a '91 Katana 1100 in my garage that you'd love to bond with. Main jets periodically clog up with gel (e10 fuel probably) and it is just loads of fun removing the carbs, removing the mains and cleaning them up. In fact, I can't think of a better way spending a nice saturday afternoon than futzing with some carbs!

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Re: Traction control and ABS
« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2013, 06:03:48 PM »
Pittsburgh? Give me a break! We have these things in N. NV called the Sierra Nevada mountains- tall, curvey moutains that sometimes you really don't know what is around the corner. The road could be bone then you might hit a lit bit of snow melt going across the road. Occassionally, the snowmelt will get shaded by those tall pine/sequoia trees and it is ice.
No amount of chest thumping will make up for safety benefit of abs. You can post pics and anecdotes all you want, but that doesn't make up for facts.
Fact 1- The abs can make up to 10 calculations on brake threshold per second. Is your right foot that quick?
Fact 2-  This is according to research http://www.bikesafer.com/abs.html
It is interesting to note that the people who say abs is unnecessary don't have abs bikes themselves; they have pre '11 C-14 bikes that lack it. Perhaps they didn't have scratch to get the abs and trying to convince themselves that was a wise savings of cash. I bet none of these anti-abs chest thumpers have disabled the abs on their cars/trucks.

Wow, who the hell is chest thumping. I have only made the point that even with ABS, which I know is an amazing thing, we need to continue to practice. Wow, why is that so controversial? A bike can be ridden safely without it, but when you need it is works.

And yes Pittsburgh. This entire area is covered with roads just as you describe, they are throughout the Western Pennsylvania and West Virginia area. Maybe you should come out here sometime to see for yourself, I've been in your area.

You guys are way too emotional over a piece of technology. I'm done. Sorry to try to add a little to the discussion regarding safety. I'm not the best rider, but I do know that avoiding braking in some situations is often the best course of action.

Sorry to offend anyone. I'll go away.

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Re: Traction control and ABS
« Reply #47 on: September 16, 2013, 04:04:06 AM »
As far as I'm concerned there has been no offense, just a difference of opinion.  No need to go away.
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Re: Traction control and ABS
« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2013, 08:09:51 AM »
I agree with PH14. If you are in a situation that results in the use of ABS then you need to analyze it and figure out what you should have done to avoid that situation. This then should be applied to your riding from here on. ABS is a safety net, a last chance, it is not something that should be used regularly.

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Re: Traction control and ABS
« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2013, 08:22:37 AM »
- one more point : braking on marginal (read : wet) surfaces. ABS is an absolute life saver here.

- i ride in all weathers and its very very reassuring to be able to brake confidently even when its raining hard.

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Re: Traction control and ABS
« Reply #50 on: September 16, 2013, 08:41:50 AM »
I agree with PH14. If you are in a situation that results in the use of ABS then you need to analyze it and figure out what you should have done to avoid that situation. This then should be applied to your riding from here on. ABS is a safety net, a last chance, it is not something that should be used regularly.

Totally agree.  I'm always thinking about the road surface and ride accordingly.
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Re: Traction control and ABS
« Reply #51 on: September 16, 2013, 08:54:03 AM »
As far as I'm concerned there has been no offense, just a difference of opinion.  No need to go away.

+1 I'm not even sure there was much difference of opinion. I am a big fan of ABS but totally agree with PH14 that rider skills is the most important component of riding safely.

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Re: Traction control and ABS
« Reply #52 on: September 16, 2013, 09:40:19 PM »
Wow, who the hell is chest thumping. I have only made the point that even with ABS, which I know is an amazing thing, we need to continue to practice. Wow, why is that so controversial? A bike can be ridden safely without it, but when you need it is works.

And yes Pittsburgh. This entire area is covered with roads just as you describe, they are throughout the Western Pennsylvania and West Virginia area. Maybe you should come out here sometime to see for yourself, I've been in your area.

You guys are way too emotional over a piece of technology. I'm done. Sorry to try to add a little to the discussion regarding safety. I'm not the best rider, but I do know that avoiding braking in some situations is often the best course of action.

Sorry to offend anyone. I'll go away.
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Noooo no need to go away. I think sometimes on forums ppl type one thing & others read another, making it tough for the person to get their point across.  I too agree with what your saying about riding techniques & skill in different situations.
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