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Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: Klavdy on March 02, 2012, 12:58:07 AM
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THE UTTER FAILURE OF THE POLICE
How do feel when you suddenly, apropos of nothing, see a cop car in your mirrors? Do you immediately breathe a sigh of relief that your safety is assured? Are you comforted in the knowledge that the police are protecting you from evil-doers and that their presence behind you is a reassuring example of their abiding love for the citizens they are sworn to serve and protect? Or do you start hyperventilating and wondering what idiotic nuance of the Motor Traffic Act you might have inadvertently failed to observe in the last five kays as you strove not to be crushed under the wheels of some iPhone-wielding retard in a car?
“Yes,” bleat the omniscient motorcycle-owning cardigans who pollute our roads with their refusal to take responsibility for their riding. “If you have done nothing wrong, then you’ve got nothing to worry about.”
If only that were true. But it’s not.
Motorcycle riders must ride faster than the flow of traffic in order to survive. That is a simple fact. If you are riding with the flow of traffic you will come to grief. It’s a no-brainer.
But since these beige-hued mugwumps aren’t actually riders, I do not expect them to understand this. Owning a motorcycle does not make you a rider any more than owning a gun makes you a criminal.
For the most part, when a rider sees a cop car in his mirrors, he understands that in all likelihood he will be pulled up for a licence check, a not-so-random breath test and a healthy dose of rudeness, disdain and contempt by the armed Mensa-aspirant in a uniform. And that is the best-case scenario. The worst-case scenario is that the rider will be subjected to an entire barrage of fascist crap about his (subjectively) excessive speed, followed by some half-informed bullshit about his tail-tidy/cylindrical rego holder/aftermarket pipe, while car after car motors past with virtually every driver fixated by his on-board GPS or texting on his phone.
This is wrong on so many levels.
But why do we instantly feel like we’ve done something wrong (even if we haven’t) whenever a police vehicle looms in our mirrors?
It’s because that is how the police want you to feel. And their entire demeanour and attitude is geared to perpetuating the feeling that you’re certainly guilty of something – even if you’re not.
If you need a better example of how the police have failed in their duty to the citizenry, then you also need professional counselling. The question that goes begging in our supposedly free western democracy is why do the police feel the need to cultivate such a sentiment among us? Do they imagine this is a positive thing? Are they deluded enough to believe that such fear breeds respect? Do they think that their endless howls for “More power!” to combat crime and the miniscule road toll are actually supported by the very citizens they harass and intimidate?
I think they do, and that is what scares the **** out of me.
But let us look objectively at this organisation of armed law enforcers and see if they are actually worthy of serving us as their mandate directs.
In recent times the police have piled failure upon failure and sold it to us, via their media unit, as a lack of “power”.
Sydney’s western suburbs are a free-fire zone each day, with drive-by after drive-by. The cops, unable to persuade anyone into speaking to them about anything (no doubt because the public loves, respects and trusts them so much), have now handed this problem to the NSW Crime Commission, an organisation not encumbered by the pesky legal constraints placed on the cops when it comes to making you talk. The police would like nothing more than to have the same frightfully coercive powers, but thus far the government has denied them these powers – and for this small mercy I am grateful.
But every day and in every way, the police shriek at the government to grant them more powers to coerce and intimidate the very people they are meant to ward from harm. They seek to ride roughshod over a person’s right to silence. They seek to dictate how society should behave, rather than just dealing with how it actually does behave – as if we were stupid naughty children in dire need of their armed quasi-parental governance.
Their dealings with motorcyclists by the side of the road are nothing but exercises in debasement and intimidation that do nothing but promote contempt for them. A polite Highway Patrol officer is by far the exception, rather than the rule – and I simply cannot understand why they think that is a positive thing.
In simple terms, so that even the glass-tasters can grasp it, it’s like this: The police are not (yet) empowered to re-engineer our society in a way that pleases them. They are there to police the society they are given. Play the bloody hand you’re dealt, gentlemen, not the hand you wish you had.
Or go and get another job.
The above was penned by Mr Boris Mihailovic and first appeared in Australian Motorcycle News, March 2012.
It is specific to Sydney, Australia but applies to many other parts of the world.
Boris kindly gave his permission to reproduce it here.
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Hmmm, sounds familiar.
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I get nervous when there is a cruiser behind me but it comes from my younger days when I had reason to worry...I was doing far too many things wrong. I don't agree with having to ride faster than anyone else to stay alive. I've been riding for quite awhile and never felt unsafe riding with the traffic. I haven't had any 'incidents' doing that. Don't know what it's like in Australia but in over 40 years of driving/riding I've never had an incident where I was pulled over and 'hassled' by the Man. In fact, I think the person that wrote that article is :nuts: , but that's my opinion.
Hmmm, sounds familiar.
Not to me. I must lead a sheltered life.
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I'm with you, Jim. I don't buy the thing about riding faster than traffic being necessary, and I don't believe that I know a single person who's ever been "hassled" by the cops. In fact, the only time I've ever been pulled over on any motorcycle was by... a motorcycle!
It sounds to me like the author has a problem with authority coupled with delusions of persecution.
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IMO, the author has some deep seated issues with authority. Probably been arrested a few times and now has a mindset that all cops are out to get him. I am guessing that the OP must be in agreement with the author or there would be no reason for the post ....
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+1 to that, OCK
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There is no utter failure of the police. Call them to help with a dead family member, who died in your house, and see how they are. You'll have officers doing anything and everything to make the situation better, or as good as it coudl possibly be. No hard nose a-holes allowed. Yes, we've all met the ones with the little-dick syndrome, but they are few and far between.
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This is what I'm used to seeing about the performance of our police.
Police dispatch tapes show officers didn't immediately respond to a Berkeley man's call about an intruder before the homeowner was bludgeoned to death with a ceramic pot. There was never a radio call because officers were on standby for an Occupy Oakland march heading toward UC Berkeley.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/03/02/state/n052921S76.DTL (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/03/02/state/n052921S76.DTL)
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I for one have never had any issues with LEOs in my adult life, none that I didn't deserve mind you. The few times that I've been pulled over I've always treated the officer with respect and I received the same treatment in return.
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I for one have never had any issues with LEOs in my adult life, none that I didn't deserve mind you. The few times that I've been pulled over I've always treated the officer with respect and I received the same treatment in return.
Yup me too.......and my law enforcement friends ride, and they said that "in OHIO" a vast majority ride. 8) So as long as you are not riding wheelies, weaving in/out of traffic, excessively speeding......most the time you won't even get so much as looked at. And I always ride faster than traffic on the slab, you want to always be out in front and "especially" away from the trucks. For the record....my state trooper buddy said to ride a bit faster than traffic, just don't exceed over 10 mph and you won't even get blinked at.
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This is what I'm used to seeing about the performance of our police.
Police dispatch tapes show officers didn't immediately respond to a Berkeley man's call about an intruder before the homeowner was bludgeoned to death with a ceramic pot. There was never a radio call because officers were on standby for an Occupy Oakland march heading toward UC Berkeley.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/03/02/state/n052921S76.DTL (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/03/02/state/n052921S76.DTL)
1) That is unfortunate, but it happens. Some people don't even get to call the cops.
2) Even if the closest unit had immediately flipped on his lights and raced over, chances are slim they would have been in time.
3) Neither of the above change anything about the situation, and I realize that.
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If an intruder were to come into my home, they are in serious trouble. Typically a pistol hidden in every room.......when seconds count the police are minutes "if not longer" away.
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IMO, the author has some deep seated issues with authority. Probably been arrested a few times and now has a mindset that all cops are out to get him. I am guessing that the OP must be in agreement with the author or there would be no reason for the post ....
+1. While riding, I've never been pulled over. (when I didn't deserve it) And several times, I'm certain I haven't been pulled over when it was obvious that I did deserve it. Maybe it helps that a lot of the police in this area are riders as well. Maybe it is just that they figure that a guy in ATGATT, on a bike with bags and a trunk, is probably an upstanding, law-abiding citizen, and they'd rather pull over the squid in sneakers and shorts on a sport bike. (Maybe they've gotten to know me and my bike well enough from when I deserve to be pulled over that they realize I'm incorrigible and they don't bother anymore... :P )
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I've had too many experiences where I was driving the same speed as everyone else, and I was pulled out of the middle because they wanted to check out my car or bike. And, oh by the way, you were speeding. I view highway patrolmen as revenue generators, not protectors. Not really.
And, to be fair, I've had plenty of head-up-my-ass moments that I was caught for too.
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Like previously mentioned, ATGATT, saddlebags and trunk, the image is a whole lot better then some of the others that are out there. It has been so long since I was actually "pulled" over, I just can't remember. Now I have voluntarily pulled over just in case, but nothing has ever come of it.
I have been followed plenty of times, if they ran my plates, no problems, the witness protection program is working just fine. I have been asked about my red strobe brake light I have in my Givi trunk. The 2 diff. cops that asked about them didn't stop me, but followed me into a fuel stop and a food stop. Both were impressed with the visibility and the "hey I'm Stopping" billboard for the traffic behind me.
I just follow the basic rule of thumb, don't break the law and you won't meet the law. I don't count speeding.
Ride safe all,
Greg
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Let's not forget the tazor and pepper spray abuses when we talk about fail :-\
(http://www.insidehighered.com/sites/default/server_files/styles/large/public/OccupyUCD32.jpeg)
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That wasn't abuse. Those people were ask individually by the cop if they would leave or chose to be pepper sprayed. That is the result of their choice. Looks like they chose wrong.
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It is refreshing to see all the positive comments, usually you have to look very hard to find any.
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That wasn't abuse. Those people were ask individually by the cop if they would leave or chose to be pepper sprayed. That is the result of their choice. Looks like they chose wrong.
When a police officer in riot gear pepper sprayed peaceful, seated protesters at University of California, it quickly became one of the enduring images of the Occupy movement.
We can argue if it was excessive use of force or little man syndrome. But either way, a judge will decide....
Now, as a lawsuit against the university has been filed, and with the school due to present the findings of its own internal investigation into the incident later in March,
But again its typical FAIL for all involved.
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I figure cop's are people like the rest of us and act normally when scared. If I was charged with stopping a SUV with blackened windows and the bass thumping the trim off the vehicle I'd be scared too. When I'm scared I'm not usually very cordial. That is what I took from the Aussie article... those cops are probably scared s#!+less and act normally.
Maybe in Canada/US the cops are better trained to tell who is trouble and who isn't. I don't know I'm not a cop.
I've rarely been stopped and not been treated very politely, but then again I usually have a wife and four kids with me.
When on my bike and I do see a traffic patrol I also go through the list of what he may be concerned about but I have yet to be stopped. I love where I live.
In Canada the cops have to appear before a commision before they draw their weapons so maybe they figure they shouldn't **** anybody off. (not really but just about)
Just my two cents.
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I figure cop's are people like the rest of us and act normally when scared.
They are supposed to be trained professionals, unlike us. Interesting you have that perception.
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I've been pulled over enough times to count on one hand. Been given paper 3 times... out of those 3 times, I've only had the pleasure of being entertained by one unpleasant LEO... I think he was having a real bad day, since he couldn't spell for, well, he couldn't spell! My ticket was a joke... looked like a 5 y/o used a Crayon to write it. :o
And yes... I deserved to be pulled over all 5 times. 8)
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I live in a different part of Australia to the original poster.....but it's pretty much how it is here.
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I would've tazed and sprayed their dumbasses........watch the videos Steve they were taunting the police plenty to deserve that, and they were also breaking campus rules as well. Very few ass whippings, tazing and or spraying from officers are unwarranted....... but those are the few that actually make headlines, not the ones deserved. Like Chris Rock says "OBEY THE LAW".
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There is no utter failure of the police. Call them to help with a dead family member, who died in your house, and see how they are. You'll have officers doing anything and everything to make the situation better, or as good as it coudl possibly be. No hard nose a-holes allowed. Yes, we've all met the ones with the little-dick syndrome, but they are few and far between.
When I had a dead family member, I was taken in for questioning and prints.
Just sayin'
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As a retired LEO, I can tell you the people in the pic getting sprayed with OC was not the idea of the lone officer. I would bet his boss said to spray em.
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As a retired LEO, I can tell you the people in the pic getting sprayed with OC was not the idea of the lone officer. I would bet his boss said to spray em.
Precisely what happened. The head of the university approved it before it happened.
The individuals involved were told individually what would happen if they didn't disperse, and were asked if they understood. There is a video of that happening, but it isn't what gets the news headlines.
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Have not had the bad experiences with the police as the individual who made the original post, have no anxieties when an policeman is behind me. I have been ticketed when caught breaking the law but I also have been given a warning when caught speeding.Based on the two posts, it appears that the police in Australia may have it in for bikers.
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Let's not forget the tazor and pepper spray abuses when we talk about fail :-\
(http://www.insidehighered.com/sites/default/server_files/styles/large/public/OccupyUCD32.jpeg)
all they had to do was walk away. Hopefully to get a job. We have to pay for them. Losers...
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I'm not LEO, but I am military. Being a trained professional does not mean that you don't get scared. It means that hopefully you keep a level head, but there is just no way to train people in such a manner that you know how every cop/soldier is gonna react when they hit that point.
As far as the pepper spray... well, civil disobedience never changed nothing if they didn't get beat up a bit over it. I mean, if the cops let them sit there and didn't p-spray 'em or kick 'em or something, well, that's not much of a protest, is it? ;)
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This is what I'm used to seeing about the performance of our police.
Police dispatch tapes show officers didn't immediately respond to a Berkeley man's call about an intruder before the homeowner was bludgeoned to death with a ceramic pot. There was never a radio call because officers were on standby for an Occupy Oakland march heading toward UC Berkeley.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/03/02/state/n052921S76.DTL (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/03/02/state/n052921S76.DTL)
QFT
We end up with OWS stuff in the Arena, but I think this time it is appropriate for the reason Steve posted. The vast majority of our LEOs are outstanding people doing an almost thankless job. They are often delayed by criminal activity and acts designed to disrupt, often showing a total lack of concern for the community as a whole.
As a kid I had great concern everytime I saw a marked car, and it was almost nerve wrecking when they pulled in behind me. I knew I was quilty of something and I never developed the ability to lie very well so I knew I would be busted. I gave up on learning how to lie and started accepting any risky behaviour may lead to a fine. Funny thing about that, keeping attitude in check, not trying a lie, and I usually get a warning. Last ticket I got was pure BS, while preparing to merge onto the freeway the car in front had no concept of matching speed with traffic, the speed limit was 60, he was doing under 40, it was raining out and visibility sucked. I didn't cross the gore point, waited to the merge point, saw an opening in the next lane, used blinker, and changed lanes. The truck I was behind was doing 55, I had an opening to the right, changed lanes, sped up to get ahead of him, and then completed the lane change. Next thing I know I have the lights on my tail, I thought they were for someone else so I pulled off to the center lane so she could get by, I think that ticked her off, her tone on the PA certainly indicated as much. I finally got over to the far right, shut off the bike, had my license, registration, and proof of insurance in hand and had removed my helmet. Her first question was if I had seen her, uh, no maam, I asked her what I had done wrong, she said I had hit 80 when I passed the truck and that I had changed lanes several times. I was ready to offer my reasoning, but she interupted me to say she had seen the slow merger and they were under a Spring Motorcycle emphasis phase. I knew my goose was cooked when she said I could have killed myself. She cited me for improper lane change. I thanked her for her concern, told her to be safe, and have a great day. I'm sure in her mind she had just saved a reckless rider from killing himself. I went home, wrote a check and paid the fine, I saw no sense in tying up the court system with a petty ticket. I had been clean for the last 20+ years, and clean since then. I chocked it up to other times not caught.
LEOs face potentiall life and death situations each time the make a stop, and after each shooting they get more nervous, a small shot of addrenalin each and every time. So, try to be understanding, don't lie, theyv'e heard most every one, and accept the ticket. If you have a true case, go to court, if you are guilty? Pay up.
PS: If a LEO ever pulls out the OC can and starts shaking it? Comply. If it's the tazer? Aint much you can do once stuck, so why argue?
When was the last time you (audience here) have walked up to a cop and said thankyou?
RIP Trooper Tony
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This is what I'm used to seeing about the performance of our police.
Police dispatch tapes show officers didn't immediately respond to a Berkeley man's call about an intruder before the homeowner was bludgeoned to death with a ceramic pot. There was never a radio call because officers were on standby for an Occupy Oakland march heading toward UC Berkeley.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/03/02/state/n052921S76.DTL (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/03/02/state/n052921S76.DTL)
And this is what I am used to seeing....
http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/carolinecrossroads/2012/03/01/deputy-saves-woman-from-burning-house/ (http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/carolinecrossroads/2012/03/01/deputy-saves-woman-from-burning-house/)
I sometimes eat lunch with these guys. They're in the next county over from me.
My nephew (deputy in another VA county) has received awards for getting drunks off the road. In fact, so much so, that I don't drink at all if I know he's working and I'm in the area with family.
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I sometimes eat lunch with these guys. They're in the next county over from me.
Tell em we say thanks!!
My nephew (deputy in another VA county) has received awards for getting drunks off the road. In fact, so much so, that I don't drink at all if I know he's working and I'm in the area with family.
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Good for him, again thanks :thumbs: Old MVA-DWI FUBAR's still give me nightmares.
There are bad apples everywhere, [hey you guys let me play here LOL] including the police, but most don't have a friggin clue how many heroic actions go unnoticed by the citizens. I can't stand the ones that get a deserved ticket then m-f the police for the rest of their clueless lives.
The police are keeping the lid on a boiling pot everyday. Be grateful.
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A few things I might add since this is all about opinions anyway.
1. Most of us only interact with law enforcement in traffic cop situations. The VAST majority of instances seems a whole lot more like revenue generation than keeping peace and safety. When cops hide out and target places they can write the most tickets rather than where they are really going to make a difference in safety, people get annoyed to say the least.
2. I believe the job attracts personality types that unfortunately don't make good cops anyway. Who really wants to sit in a cruiser and write tickets all day? How is that fulfilling? The only type I can imagine attracted to that line of work are those who get off on pushing people around, big shot kind of guys. In truth, I honestly believe that is the type that more often that not fills the role.
3. When seconds count, the cops are minutes away. I know it's a cliche' but it's absolutely true. I have zero faith that when I really need a cop, one will actually be there. I fully expect that when one does show up, I'll be looked on with eyes that believe I'm guilty unless I can prove otherwise.
Just my opinion, worth what you paid for it.
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Just my opinion, worth what you paid for it.
Maybe even a little less .......
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Maybe even a little less .......
Much less........more like belly button or ass crack lint.
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Much less........more like belly button or ass crack lint.
Not even that, the lint takes some effort to collect at least...
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Precisely what happened. The head of the university approved it before it happened.
The individuals involved were told individually what would happen if they didn't disperse, and were asked if they understood. There is a video of that happening, but it isn't what gets the news headlines.
What pissed me off in this instance however was that being sprayed is being punished.
Look at them huddled on the ground all threateningly.
Despite what some say about "the crowd" threatening the LEOs, the crowd is not the ones who are getting sprayed.
These Americans peacefully assembled are being caused pain for no greater reason than for being inconvenient.
If they are blocking entrance to a building then you start arresting them. But as I understand the COTUS the LEOs should not be the ones to initiate the pain and suffering. They struck the first blow. And that is why I believe their actions are illegal.
But what really sucks is that this is an isolated incident that draws a disproportionate amount of coverage.
As MJRFD said There are bad apples everywhere, [hey you guys let me play here LOL] including the police, but most don't have a friggin clue how many heroic actions go unnoticed by the citizens. I can't stand the ones that get a deserved ticket then m-f the police for the rest of their clueless lives.
The police are keeping the lid on a boiling pot everyday. Be grateful.
But that stuff doesn't get the coverage as does the more controversial actions like those of Officer Pike and his superiors.
I disagree with Jworth however.
Most go in for the right reasons, but the job leaves scars. I have an uncle who is a Chief and my mom always said that the job has changed him. Sometimes I think we ask more from these guys (and gals) than anyone can deliver without losing important parts of themselves in the process.
Like their empathy.
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What pissed me off in this instance however was that being sprayed is being punished.
Look at them huddled on the ground all threateningly.
Despite what some say about "the crowd" threatening the LEOs, the crowd is not the ones who are getting sprayed.
These Americans peacefully assembled are being caused pain for no greater reason than for being inconvenient.
If they are blocking entrance to a building then you start arresting them. But as I understand the COTUS the LEOs should not be the ones to initiate the pain and suffering. They struck the first blow. And that is why I believe their actions are illegal.
The crowd was given a lawful order to disperse and refused. If the pepper spray was "punishment", they would have sprayed them and it would have been over, but that isn't what happened. They were sprayed and arrested. This was done for the safety of the officers. Arresting a non-compliant individual is a difficult task. People become more compliant after pepper spray is used.
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Classic, I just could not refuse. :stirpot:
Best Police Taser X26 Video Ever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTd471QNwTc#)
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Classic, I just could not refuse. :stirpot:
Best Police Taser X26 Video Ever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTd471QNwTc#)
And truth be known, I would rather be tased then sprayed with OC ;D Unlawfull assembly should NOT be tolerated. OWS folks should stop playing loose and fast with the law, a mob mentallity will be dealt with force, sudden force must be expected for the safety of the few officers working to disperse the ILLEGAL gathering. Breaking the law and expecting mercy? Typical I guess.
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As they say, "don't do the crime if you can't do the time".
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I am so thankful that not everyone agrees and views things the same, eventhough some of us are right. ;)
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A few things I might add since this is all about opinions anyway.
1. Most of us only interact with law enforcement in traffic cop situations. The VAST majority of instances seems a whole lot more like revenue generation than keeping peace and safety. When cops hide out and target places they can write the most tickets rather than where they are really going to make a difference in safety, people get annoyed to say the least.
2. I believe the job attracts personality types that unfortunately don't make good cops anyway. Who really wants to sit in a cruiser and write tickets all day? How is that fulfilling? The only type I can imagine attracted to that line of work are those who get off on pushing people around, big shot kind of guys. In truth, I honestly believe that is the type that more often that not fills the role.
3. When seconds count, the cops are minutes away. I know it's a cliche' but it's absolutely true. I have zero faith that when I really need a cop, one will actually be there. I fully expect that when one does show up, I'll be looked on with eyes that believe I'm guilty unless I can prove otherwise.
Just my opinion, worth what you paid for it.
1) Where I live the norm for LEO's hiding out writing tickets has to do with citizens living and working in the area complaining about violators (speeding, passing, etc.) The sheriff in our county gets lots of phone mails and e-mails about violators once he has had enough he sends the boys out to write tickets.
2) You are correct except as someone who has trained many LEO's I know we weed out alot of those type. Cops are like everyone else there are rude ones and their are good ones.
3) Take a look at the budgets of local law enforcement and you will see why there may not be a cop when you need one. I live in Marion County Florida, the county land wise is larger than the State of RI., at night there is 2-4 deputies on the road. It is no wonder it takes so long for a response.
Deputies here start around $30,000 per year. They get shot and killed sometimes. A person I trained with went to do a wellness check as requested by a 70 year old man's family. He had not been seen or heard from for days. The officer got out of his car wearing his vest, took two steps and was shot in the neck face area and died by the old man. His family called from another state. As the officer laid there you could hear himm gurgling on his radio. The old man was still firing at officers and fireman trying to get to the officer so he was shot. His family sued the department. Really crappy job for what they are paid.
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A few things I might add since this is all about opinions anyway.
2. I believe the job attracts personality types that unfortunately don't make good cops anyway. Who really wants to sit in a cruiser and write tickets all day? How is that fulfilling? The only type I can imagine attracted to that line of work are those who get off on pushing people around, big shot kind of guys. In truth, I honestly believe that is the type that more often that not fills the role.
Just my opinion, worth what you paid for it.
Good insight kinda-but a couple of add-ons . I think there are many who believe,since childhood possibly that the career is honorable and they have sought it out to help society. Then there are those that view it as a governmental job that can be landed with only a high school education....smart folks here that may or may not enjoy the power-but know a good gig when they see one.
Where you really hit the mark is to consider the lawsuit(Boston I think) whereas the claimant was not hired into a law enforcement job ONLY because he was too smart. The HR folks contested that he would be bored and thus,I suppose ineffective as an officer.
Yup too smart to be a cop...we want kinda dumb officers??
Mike
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I am so thankful that not everyone agrees and views things the same, eventhough some of us are right. ;)
And then some are wrong, but rightly so. ;)
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In New Zealand there are two types of police officer, real ones and revenue ones.
In the area of the city I live there are 6 cars.
4 of these are deployed every shift to gather revenue leaving just two for crime. I belive the other 4 can be called away from hiding behind bridges and lurking at the bottom of long hills should the need arise, but it gives you a good idea of where our forces priorities lie.
Traffic police have little to no respect from the travelling public in NZ.
Here the police have a quota system to fulfil each week. A friend of mines brother in law was the local officer for his district when they came in. He found his acceptance from the locals almost vanish and his ability to solve basic local crime disappere because the locals lost faith in him and wouldn't talk to him. He stopped ticketing the locals and in his words "shamingly went after the holiday makers"
I have the utmost respect for the officers out there keeping our streets safe from crime but I wouldnt giive the time of day to the revenue police.
I absoulutly have the feeling when seeing one in my mirrors (be it on the bike or in a car) of what is he going to try and nick me for!
There is several documented instances of the revenue police pulling killer manouvers in there cars to put another tick in their quota box, 'U' turns being a speciality.
I was subjucted to a near miss from a 'U' turning police car two years ago, he failed to make the turn in time and ended up broad side across the road in the face of oncoming traffic and me who had to take avoiding action. I raised my hand in a gesture of disbelief and shook my head, his response was to pull me over and waste my time "checking the machine". Fed up with this sort bullsh*t I reported him and he was dissiplined, but this is an example of how the (revenue) police conduct themselves over here.
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That's pretty sad...
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Deputies here start around $30,000 per year. They get shot and killed sometimes. Really crappy job for what they are paid.
WHAT DO I MAKE??
- I make it possible to keep back the chaos every day in Prison.
- I make 5 minutes seem like a lifetime when I am fighting an inmate while waiting for back up.
- I make going to work for a Correction Officer's safety a duty that I will die for.
- I make myself work holidays, nights, during hurricanes, riots, terrorist attacks and other disasters a standard day..... while you complain about your 9-5 in your air conditioned office.
- I make the fact that I may not get to eat, or get a break or cannot use the restroom when I need to, part of my job.
- I make running towards the an altercation or a possible riot, so that those I am sworn to protect are safe, an automatic reaction.
- I make getting thrown on, stabbed, spit on, punched and kicked at work, an expected part of my day.
- I make working for people, who most often dislike me, swear at me, and complain about everything I do or the way I do it.
- I make working 8 hour shifts or even 16 hours, my day at the office, so you and your family can sleep safely, a way of life.
- Today I might make the ultimate sacrifice to save a life.
- I make a difference, WHAT DO YOU MAKE?
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I agree and disagree at the same time. As far as traffic goes, whats nto to agree with. Many of the traffic officers I dealt with were awful. BUT, it was members of the same Police dept who responded to my brothers death in my childhood home. These men and women were amazing, caring, thoughtful and professional. I dont believe I could have got through the first few hours without them there as I would have chosen to join him. Since them a speed trap, or twelve, just does not feel as important.
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WHAT DO I MAKE??
- I make it possible to keep back the chaos every day in Prison.
- I make 5 minutes seem like a lifetime when I am fighting an inmate while waiting for back up.
- I make going to work for a Correction Officer's safety a duty that I will die for.
- I make myself work holidays, nights, during hurricanes, riots, terrorist attacks and other disasters a standard day..... while you complain about your 9-5 in your air conditioned office.
- I make the fact that I may not get to eat, or get a break or cannot use the restroom when I need to, part of my job.
- I make running towards the an altercation or a possible riot, so that those I am sworn to protect are safe, an automatic reaction.
- I make getting thrown on, stabbed, spit on, punched and kicked at work, an expected part of my day.
- I make working for people, who most often dislike me, swear at me, and complain about everything I do or the way I do it.
- I make working 8 hour shifts or even 16 hours, my day at the office, so you and your family can sleep safely, a way of life.
- Today I might make the ultimate sacrifice to save a life.
- I make a difference, WHAT DO YOU MAKE?
Thanks for all you do!!!!
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Thanks for all you do!!!!
You are most welcome.
I've always like this as well:
The Final Inspection
The policeman stood and faced his God,which must always come to pass.
He hoped his shoes were shining just as brightly as his brass.
"Step forward now, policeman. How shall I deal with you?
Have you always turned the other cheek?
To my church have you been true?
The policeman squared his shoulders and said.
"No, I guess I ain't
because those of us who carry a badge
can't always be a Saint."
I've had to work most Sundays
and at times my talk is rough,
and sometimes I've been violent,
because the streets are awfully tough.
But I never took a penny that wasn't mine to keep...
though I worked a lot of overtime when the bills got to steep.
And I never passed a cry for help
though at times I shook with fear,
and sometimes, God forgive me, I've wept unmanly tears.
I know I don't deserve a place among the people here.
They never wanted me around except to calm their fear.
If you've a place for me here, Lord, it needn't be so grand,
I never expected or had too much, but if you don't...I'll understand"
There was a silence all around the throne where the Saints had often trod.
As the policeman waited quietly for the judgment of his God.
"Step forward now, policeman.
You've borne you burdens well.
Come walk a beat on Heaven's streets.
You've done your time in Hell"
(Author Unknown )
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And truth be known, I would rather be tased then sprayed with OC ;D Unlawfull assembly should NOT be tolerated. OWS folks should stop playing loose and fast with the law, a mob mentallity will be dealt with force, sudden force must be expected for the safety of the few officers working to disperse the ILLEGAL gathering. Breaking the law and expecting mercy? Typical I guess.
And what about squandering our nation's treasure on Unconstitutional (illegal) wars? Who stops the federal government from perverting the ICC to their own ends (the aggregation of power)? The government bends its own laws to the breaking point on a regular basis--who is it up to to stop them?
Since We the People are their MASTERS wouldn't it be up to us?
A legitimate govermnent only operates under permission freely given by the People. The government serves us, not the other way 'round.
The majority of Americans do not want to be free. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance and a high degree of personal responsibility which is too high for us as a people, unfortunately. Much easier to be told where to go and what to do by your masters.
I'm sure the lack of violence at the Phoenix Occupy protests had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that spraying the protesters first meant spraying a bunch of citizens that were as heavily armed as the police. Welcome to Arizona.
As far as the OP goes, I've been riding in groups of different bikes and the sportbikers seem to be treated with a much different tone than the adv'ers or tourers during an LEO contact regardless of how compliant they are.
I used to live in Lawrence, KS--home to KU and HINU (Haskell Indian Nations University). I had quite a few friends that went to HINU. Was at a lot of both KU and HINU parties that eventually were dispersed by the police.
The attitude of the police while performing this function was wildly different and regrettably consistent depending on who was throwing the party.
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I used to live near HINU when I attended KU, I never partied with those dudes though.
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In New Zealand there are two types of police officer, real ones and revenue ones.
In the area of the city I live there are 6 cars.
4 of these are deployed every shift to gather revenue leaving just two for crime. I belive the other 4 can be called away from hiding behind bridges and lurking at the bottom of long hills should the need arise, but it gives you a good idea of where our forces priorities lie.
Traffic police have little to no respect from the travelling public in NZ.
Here the police have a quota system to fulfil each week. A friend of mines brother in law was the local officer for his district when they came in. He found his acceptance from the locals almost vanish and his ability to solve basic local crime disappere because the locals lost faith in him and wouldn't talk to him. He stopped ticketing the locals and in his words "shamingly went after the holiday makers"
I have the utmost respect for the officers out there keeping our streets safe from crime but I wouldnt giive the time of day to the revenue police.
I absoulutly have the feeling when seeing one in my mirrors (be it on the bike or in a car) of what is he going to try and nick me for!
There is several documented instances of the revenue police pulling killer manouvers in there cars to put another tick in their quota box, 'U' turns being a speciality.
I was subjucted to a near miss from a 'U' turning police car two years ago, he failed to make the turn in time and ended up broad side across the road in the face of oncoming traffic and me who had to take avoiding action. I raised my hand in a gesture of disbelief and shook my head, his response was to pull me over and waste my time "checking the machine". Fed up with this sort bullsh*t I reported him and he was dissiplined, but this is an example of how the (revenue) police conduct themselves over here.
The Cops do illegal U-Turns in Australia too.
Cop acquitted of Woodend road death (http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/news/local/news/general/cop-acquitted-of-woodend-road-death/2154642.aspx)
WHITNEY HARRIS
06 May, 2011 05:00 AM
AN off-duty police officer who killed a Woodend motorcyclist in an early-morning crash two years ago has been acquitted.
Peta Carbonneau, a Victoria Police officer for almost 10 years, left the Bendigo County Court, sitting in Ballarat, a free woman yesterday after the jury found her not guilty of dangerous driving causing death.
The 35-year-old senior constable was charged over the death of 31-year-old Woodend man Luke Wilson on April 20, 2009.
The court was told that Carbonneau, also of Woodend, crossed double white lines while performing a U-turn in fog when she hit the motorcyclist travelling south along Black Forrest Drive. Mr Wilson died at the scene.
During a committal hearing in the Bendigo Magistrates Court last October, John Beesley, who was first at the scene, told the court he had driven along Black Forrest Drive almost every day for the past 10 years.
He said the road was notorious for its fluctuating weather conditions and that on the morning of the accident it was the foggiest he had seen all year.
Carbonneau, a senior constable at Sunbury, was on her way to work when she realised she had forgotten a batch of cup cakes at home and decided to turn around to get them.
The magistrates court was told that she believed she had sufficient time to perform the U-turn and was shocked when she heard an object hit her car.
Senior Constable Glen Urquhart, of the major collision investigation unit, said the motorcyclist was travelling at 80 to 97km/h before the collision.
Neither Carbonneau nor the rider were affected by drugs or alcohol at the time.
Black Forest Drive has a speed limit of 90km/h where the accident occurred.
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I used to live near HINU when I attended KU, I never partied with those dudes though.
I used to go to LA's in North Lawrence every weekend. Usually I was the only anglo around.
Kinda weird when you hear, "you're pretty cool for a white boy, I'm glad I didn't kick your ass" from somebody about twice your size. ;)
I was 6', 200# at the time and I was the runt of the group. Good times.