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Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: Conrad on February 20, 2013, 01:07:04 PM
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Federal Marijuana Legalization Bills Introduced (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3nHMjbOsPw#)
http://blog.mpp.org/prohibition/federal-reform-bills-gaining-attention/02192013/ (http://blog.mpp.org/prohibition/federal-reform-bills-gaining-attention/02192013/)
Thoughts?
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About time! 8)
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I don't why anybody would be opposed to letting people who suffer from a sickness to use marijuana to ease the pain. But my question is, if the chemical in marijuana, THC, is the reason it is used, and medicinal THC has been in a pill form for years, then why the reason to puff a joint to ease the suffering? Is this about being able to light up wherever you please to get high from the militant potheads, or is this about helping people who really are suffering? The way I hear that in CA, you merely need to walk into a clinic and express a need for medical marijuana and its handed out. Why puff when you can pop a pill and get the same results?
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I don't why anybody would be opposed to letting people who suffer from a sickness to use marijuana to ease the pain. But my question is, if the chemical in marijuana, THC, is the reason it is used, and medicinal THC has been in a pill form for years, then why the reason to puff a joint to ease the suffering? Is this about being able to light up wherever you please to get high from the militant potheads, or is this about helping people who really are suffering? The way I hear that in CA, you merely need to walk into a clinic and express a need for medical marijuana and its handed out. Why puff when you can pop a pill and get the same results?
This is about the recreational use of marijuana.
As for the pill form of THC? I don't know anything about that but Colorado has these, and I may or may not know something about them. 8)
http://www.cheebachews.com/ (http://www.cheebachews.com/)
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There are a few ways to take your medicine... smoke/vape... ingest via pill or elixir form, or food/drink, and even a salve. The way you take MMJ also alters the effect and duration it has.
Taking for THC only is just getting high... higher CBD percentage aids in pain relief and has anti inflammatory properties. You have different strains of MMJ for higher/lower THC/cannabinoid combinations for different medicinal properties. A manufacturer isn't going to make a pill for 5 to 20 different strains... they'll make one.
Just an observation...
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There are over 500 different strains of marijuana.
Check this link to see what each of the strains can be used for.
Click on one of the maladies on the left and see which strains are known to help with that issue.
http://www.leafly.com/explore (http://www.leafly.com/explore)
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Anybody here use marijuana to reduce the pain and effects of disease or the treatments for those diseases? If so, smoke or pill? I think as with many other things in the news recently, the general public is being mislead as to why the laws for marijuana are being reformed or why marijuana is being used and by whom. I think the majority of voters think this is for pain relief for medical purposes and in many cases this is how these laws are being portrayed and if they knew it was for recreational use more would be against any laws allowing its use legally. My opinion only. I think we have enough mind/mood altering sustances that are available legally right now, I don't think we need any more. Do I think that possesion of a few joints or an ounce should get you jail time? No. If thats the kind of reform they are pursuing, then fine. But to legalize it for use like alcohol. No. Again, just my opinion.
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Anybody here use marijuana to reduce the pain and effects of disease or the treatments for those diseases? If so, smoke or pill? I think as with many other things in the news recently, the general public is being mislead as to why the laws for marijuana are being reformed or why marijuana is being used and by whom. I think the majority of voters think this is for pain relief for medical purposes and in many cases this is how these laws are being portrayed and if they knew it was for recreational use more would be against any laws allowing its use legally. My opinion only. I think we have enough mind/mood altering sustances that are available legally right now, I don't think we need any more. Do I think that possesion of a few joints or an ounce should get you jail time? No. If thats the kind of reform they are pursuing, then fine. But to legalize it for use like alcohol. No. Again, just my opinion.
Before the law passed here in WA State it was clear it was for recreational use. What isn't clear yet is how does a person go about legally procuring some? Can't grow your own, no place w/o a MMJ card to purchase, so I am wondering why people are smoking??
I'm like a dog chasing it's tail on the entire issue, I'm OK with it if it stays in ones own home or private property, but in public? In public places akin to a bar? Not so much. I really don't care what a person does to themselves, I do however care when those actions have negative impact on others. No differant than drinking and driving. I ways doing just fine before the law passed and I am still doing fine since.
I am looking at turning a profit though, making basic greenhouses that can be transported on a trailer and man portable for setup ;D
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Is medical marijuana taxed in places that allow it for medical use? So if legal for recreational use, then you can just store pounds of it like folks have bottles of liquor? Where would you buy it? SOP, like you said if the law was passed for recreational use then why the need for a medical marijuana card? So then it wasn't really passed for medical use. So again, the public is misled concerning th scope of the law and why it was on the ballot and why they think it is being used.
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I am a CO MMJ Red Card holder. I use for major pain relief. I use cartridges with hash oil that are vaporized. I pick strains based on my needs, trying to get the higher CBD strains when possible.
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Are you taxed? Do you have medical insurance that covers this? How did you go about obtaining a card in CO. Doc involved, referral needed? Not sure of your situation but how does this work when you are at work, driving/riding? Obviously, you can't when you need to do this, or just using to get these certain chemicals does not alter your consciousness. Not being flippant or disrespectful, just asking as I don't know.
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Strawboss, it was a law passed without a plan, typical I guess. Eventually there will be "Pot" stores or "Pot" isles in Walmart, no card needed.
With a bad back I have toyed with the idea myself, but I just don't have good results from other prescription meds and I am avoiding that "synthetic" life. I'm beginning to respect the pain and like to think that pain is a way of telling me I have led a good life. (Pain still sucks BTW) I could drown it out with liquor, but then I am limited as to what I can do when liquored up, same would be true for the MJ. One day I will give it a try just because I don't know if it will help me or lead to an altered life.
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None of this is covered by insurance, all out of my pocket. I brought medical records with me to a physician to get my paperwork filed out. I pay a fee for my license... I pay for my physician's referral... I pay taxes on my MMJ.
I would never drive or operate my MC under the influence of alcohol, nor would I do the same with MMJ. The same for work, I would never work under the influence of MMJ or alcohol!
I also never drove under the influence of all the prescription drugs that were given to me... those were horrible BTW! Try breaking a physical addiction to a pain killer that is prescribed... not fun!
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Sherob,SOP, I understand, I hurt my back last September and took some major drugs for about two weeks, I also drank more gin than I ever did in my life, and yes, I did't like that as i'm not a pill person. One more question then I'll leave it alone, how come whenever a law such as this is proposed, all sorts of doctors, experts, sufferers, patients, politicians are trucked out to plead about how very important it is to insure that people have a choice in dealing with their pain and condition, but, the day after this law passes, all you ever see is thousands of potheads and old hippies, and college kids gathering to light up and get high and celebrate a vistory to use hallucinogens legally? Those people look to be in pretty good health dancing around without a care and most likely without a pain, before they light up. Sherob, I wish you luck and hope you are pain free in the future, by any means.
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If a person wants consume/ingest any substance in the privacy of their own home, why is it anybody else's business? Do it in public, while on the job, while working, give it to a child, then we can have a discussion. I know I'm a radical but come on, smoking weed in private should not be a crime. BTW, just for reference, my drug of choice is beer and I absolutely don't allow anyone smoke anything in my house.
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Rhino, I agree with what goes on at home, stays at home, but how does it get into your home, who grows it, cultivates it, transports it, sells it, profits from it, is destroyed by it?
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Strawboss... It's against the law to be seen using MMJ in the public... You can lose your Red Card, and be fined. What you see, probably not real MMJ patients. In CO, it's a misdemeanor to have less than a certain amount on you... Have no idea what that amount is... It's a ticket.
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Rhino, I agree with what goes on at home, stays at home, but how does it get into your home, who grows it, cultivates it, transports it, sells it, profits from it, is destroyed by it?
A dispensary is like a brewpub... They grow their own product, but carry other pre-packaged merchandise. So, the dispensary profits... the vendor of pre-packaged merchandise profits. The state profits the most from taxation... ;D
As far as who is destroyed from it, look at a brewpub... who is destroyed by alcohol? I can give numbers for deaths from that. I can't give you numbers that have died from MMJ use, because it hasn't happened.
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I always thought it was ignorant to have outlawed Pot and the continual fight to keep it illegal. It is not as dangerous as alcohol. The argument that it is a "gateway drug" is a red herring. Pot smokers do not automatically become crack heads, anymore than a beer drinker automatically becomes an alcoholic. Regulate it, tax it, and sell it in the liquor store. If someone over does it and screws up, arrest them for operating under the influence, just like you would with a drunk.
As a motorcyclist, on a curved dark road at night, I would much rather have a mellowed pot smoker driving slow, kicked back listeng to his music than a drunk nascar fan driving fast and aggressively with blurred vision and poor reflexes.
If you ever have worked with the public, you will find far more domestic violence with alcohol and heavy drugs than with pot smokers. Pot smokers are usually pretty passive (ok, kind of whiney) even when they are getting evicted from their apartments. With a drinker, the only time you do not have a fight on your hands is when they are already passed out.
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I don't smoke it, but I want to know when I can start growing it on my farm to supplement my income. The stuff grows like weeds. 8) ::)
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As luck has it, DiscoveryHD is premiering Weed Country. May get some growing tips ;)
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Sorry Sherob, two different things going on here. I was responding to rhinos comment about what you do in your home, and you were responding to my medical questions. To go through life and do what you want with drugs, legal or illegal in your own home in your own time and destroy your body and life thinking you are the only one who is paying for it is to me a bit naive is what I was saying. Do I care what you do, no. What I asking is, how do you think the drugs get to your house? Read the news lately about Mexican drugs lords, Afghan poppy growers, Russian mafia, international terrorism, human trafficking? Where do you think all that money thats involved in that comes from? Sherob, your situation and others who need it for medical purposes where its grown right here and regulated right here and used right here is different. Lets make sure we are talking about the same thing. Medical marijuana used by people to ward off the devestating effects from various diseases and allows them to lead a somewhat normal life without intense pain or nausea is a bit different from Beavis and Butthead or Ted and Carol in Anytown USA stoking up a big spleef. Thats what I was talking about, where does it come from, who grows it, who sells it, who profits from it? Not the medical, the recreational.
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All you will see in the media is Beavis and Butthead, the rec users. The medicinal users do their thing in private and want to keep it that way.
B&B want the THC laden stuff just for the high. People who use it medicinally want the CBD type that doesn't get you high.
The government has billions of our tax dollars invested in their empires called DEA, etc. Legalization stops the money train.
For the record, I don't smoke. I watched Dad die from COPD from cigarettes.
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The gubment failed in the past when they tried to tell people what they couldn't drink. They are REALLY failing telling people what they can't smoke. Its incredible!
The high school days are over for me, but I think if grown-ups wanna toot they are going to toot. Seems rather obvious America has been losing the war on drugs and the laws have been serving zero purpose or slowing down usage, and the dealers have been winning by epic proportions
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But you see this is a war and this war can't be won overnight. To win this war we will need people and money. Lots and lots of money.
Pharma doesn't want legalization because they can't have people growing their own meds, bypassing the drug companies.
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Thats all this debate is......"who gets the money"
Because people have and will continue to smoke weed forever
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I've smoked too much weed tonight, can you guys please limit yer posts to one sentence or bullet points... :-\
I've tried to read all those long posts so many times that I'm now giving up and going for the 7-11 nachos. ;) ;D
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I've smoked too much weed tonight, can you guys please limit yer posts to one sentence or bullet points... :-\
I've tried to read all those long posts so many times that I'm now giving up and going for the 7-11 nachos. ;) ;D
Will the leaf be gold colored on the new tuperware or will you ghost it in?
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Sorry Sherob, two different things going on here. I was responding to rhinos comment about what you do in your home, and you were responding to my medical questions. To go through life and do what you want with drugs, legal or illegal in your own home in your own time and destroy your body and life thinking you are the only one who is paying for it is to me a bit naive is what I was saying. Do I care what you do, no. What I asking is, how do you think the drugs get to your house? Read the news lately about Mexican drugs lords, Afghan poppy growers, Russian mafia, international terrorism, human trafficking? Where do you think all that money thats involved in that comes from? Sherob, your situation and others who need it for medical purposes where its grown right here and regulated right here and used right here is different. Lets make sure we are talking about the same thing. Medical marijuana used by people to ward off the devestating effects from various diseases and allows them to lead a somewhat normal life without intense pain or nausea is a bit different from Beavis and Butthead or Ted and Carol in Anytown USA stoking up a big spleef. Thats what I was talking about, where does it come from, who grows it, who sells it, who profits from it? Not the medical, the recreational.
In the case of marijuana, it is easily cultivated. Allow people to grow it domestically and the Mexican drug lords will be taken out of the picture at least for this drug. Alcohol is the perfect example. They outlawed it and violent gangs took over and smuggled it in from other countries. It was repealed and now it is a job creating, tax paying industry in the US. Yep it still is very bad for some people. So are big macs and candy for others. But the cure of prohibition is much worse then the disease.
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Will the leaf be gold colored on the new tuperware or will you ghost it in?
;D :chugbeer:
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Gold leaf (double pun there) would sure match them Ohlins 8)
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I've smoked too much weed tonight, can you guys please limit yer posts to one sentence or bullet points... :-\
+1
Makes it hard to catch up on a thread at 2:00AM
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The Feds know they can't win the "war on drugs" so they have a new, evil threat...firearms.
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It's about time a politician or two grew a pair and came out in favor of legalization. The stuff is no more a gate way drug than alcohol or tobacco. The dude sitting in the white house is a former user for crying out loud. Legalize it and tax it. That's the plan and that's what they want. The tax money. U.S. Banks are already involved in laundering drug money. I think the Feds have finally realized the hypocrisy of it all. Legalization is way over due.
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For the record, I don't smoke. I watched Dad die from COPD from cigarettes.
+1 on that... My dad died at 45 from lung/brain cancer and Mom died slowly over the last 7 years or so with COPD. Never took up the habit. Alcohol on the other hand....of course in moderation..
I don't see where MJ is any different from alcohol, probably less.... The Feds need money, why not tax it like alcohol and treat it as such. That's my stand.
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Anybody here use marijuana to reduce the pain and effects of disease or the treatments for those diseases? If so, smoke or pill? I think as with many other things in the news recently, the general public is being mislead as to why the laws for marijuana are being reformed or why marijuana is being used and by whom. I think the majority of voters think this is for pain relief for medical purposes and in many cases this is how these laws are being portrayed and if they knew it was for recreational use more would be against any laws allowing its use legally. My opinion only. I think we have enough mind/mood altering sustances that are available legally right now, I don't think we need any more. Do I think that possesion of a few joints or an ounce should get you jail time? No. If thats the kind of reform they are pursuing, then fine. But to legalize it for use like alcohol. No. Again, just my opinion.
Question for you Boss. I'll assume that you're ok with the way the 'system' deals with alcohol. Why are you against doing the same thing with weed?
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Sherob,SOP, I understand, I hurt my back last September and took some major drugs for about two weeks, I also drank more gin than I ever did in my life, and yes, I did't like that as i'm not a pill person. One more question then I'll leave it alone, how come whenever a law such as this is proposed, all sorts of doctors, experts, sufferers, patients, politicians are trucked out to plead about how very important it is to insure that people have a choice in dealing with their pain and condition, but, the day after this law passes, all you ever see is thousands of potheads and old hippies, and college kids gathering to light up and get high and celebrate a vistory to use hallucinogens legally? Those people look to be in pretty good health dancing around without a care and most likely without a pain, before they light up. Sherob, I wish you luck and hope you are pain free in the future, by any means.
Hallucinogens? :o Say what? Weed is not a hallucinogen.
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No, the Feds don't need any more tax money. They already get way more than needed.
They get all they want to execute their war on drugs.
Notice how they know who does what but when asked why they don't make arrests they always say "its under investigation"?
If they win their little war their little make work projects go away. Just like the politicians. If they solve the problems, they are no longer "needed".
The feds are building detention facilities across the country. What for? It ain't for drug dealers.
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I always thought it was ignorant to have outlawed Pot and the continual fight to keep it illegal. It is not as dangerous as alcohol. The argument that it is a "gateway drug" is a red herring. Pot smokers do not automatically become crack heads, anymore than a beer drinker automatically becomes an alcoholic. Regulate it, tax it, and sell it in the liquor store. If someone over does it and screws up, arrest them for operating under the influence, just like you would with a drunk.
As a motorcyclist, on a curved dark road at night, I would much rather have a mellowed pot smoker driving slow, kicked back listeng to his music than a drunk nascar fan driving fast and aggressively with blurred vision and poor reflexes.
If you ever have worked with the public, you will find far more domestic violence with alcohol and heavy drugs than with pot smokers. Pot smokers are usually pretty passive (ok, kind of whiney) even when they are getting evicted from their apartments. With a drinker, the only time you do not have a fight on your hands is when they are already passed out.
Well said Leo. :thumbs:
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Quote from: Leo on Yesterday at 10:06:35 pm
I always thought it was ignorant to have outlawed Pot and the continual fight to keep it illegal. It is not as dangerous as alcohol. The argument that it is a "gateway drug" is a red herring. Pot smokers do not automatically become crack heads, anymore than a beer drinker automatically becomes an alcoholic. Regulate it, tax it, and sell it in the liquor store. If someone over does it and screws up, arrest them for operating under the influence, just like you would with a drunk.
As a motorcyclist, on a curved dark road at night, I would much rather have a mellowed pot smoker driving slow, kicked back listeng to his music than a drunk nascar fan driving fast and aggressively with blurred vision and poor reflexes.
If you ever have worked with the public, you will find far more domestic violence with alcohol and heavy drugs than with pot smokers. Pot smokers are usually pretty passive (ok, kind of whiney) even when they are getting evicted from their apartments. With a drinker, the only time you do not have a fight on your hands is when they are already passed out.
Well said Leo. :thumbs:
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I enjoy the recreational and personal use of firearms, yet they want to ban those. ::) And as far as pot goes, it is much less harmless and addictive than alcohol. And how many people have been reported becoming violent after enjoying some puffs of the chronic?
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I enjoy the recreational and personal use of firearms, yet they want to ban those. ::) And as far as pot goes, it is much less harmless and addictive than alcohol. And how many people have been reported becoming violent after enjoying some puffs of the chronic?
(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u205/sexymamma2403/CHRONIC.jpg?t=1193360117)
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[size=12ptPot should not be legalized , because, Just imagine all the poor, poor POLICE and Jail workers that will be laid off.
They will have to find real criminals to take up their time[/size]
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I know there are cannabinoid pills for medical use. No THC and you cannot get high from them but they fall under medical marijuana laws.
The history on this topic is interesting.
Go to youtube and watch When W Grow. Ford owned huge plantations and his first cars were made to run on bio fuel made from cannabis (hemp) and the car bodies where made from hemp.
'Ford recognized the utility of the hemp plant. He constructed a car of resin stiffened hemp fiber, and even ran the car on ethanol made from hemp. Ford knew that hemp could produce vast economic resources if widely cultivated.'
It makes excellent clothing, far far better than cotton yet banned in this country.
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For those that asked about Legal THC capsules for dispensing in pharmacies it is called Marinol brand name of drobinol.
It is only one of thousands of canibinols that have different effects on the body. This product is marketed strictly as an appetite stimulant for HIV patients. It is federally classified schedule 3. It is in the same controlled drug class as Vicodin.
http://www.marinol.com/ (http://www.marinol.com/)
Marijuana is classified as Schedule 1. Schedule one medications have no accepted medical use with a HIGH potential for abuse .
Also in schedule 1 is Heroin, LSD and hallucinogenics. Schedule 2 has accepted medical usage BUT has HIGH potential for abuse
and addiction.In this class we find Oxycodone, Dilaudid ,Morphine, amphetamines including Methamphetamine .
Schedule one drugs can be used by Doctors using special licensing authorized by DEA. When I did my internship for my 6th year of pharmacy School I worked in the special dispensing pharmacy at NYU . We made a product called Bromptons Cocktail that used
Heroin and Cocaine taken as an oral solution for pain relief for terminal Cancer patients.. Just a little background on the current
classification of the drugs being discussed. does it make sense??? I dont think so..
back to our regularly scheduled program.....
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I enjoy the recreational and personal use of firearms, yet they want to ban those. ::) And as far as pot goes, it is much less harmless and addictive than alcohol. And how many people have been reported becoming violent after enjoying some puffs of the chronic?
You gotta double negative going there Poke.
I got your point though. When is the last time that anyone has heard of someone smoking a bunch of weed and beating up their wife and/or kids? There is no Dr Jekyll/Mr Hyde syndrome with weed like there can be with booze.
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It makes excellent clothing, far far better than cotton yet banned in this country.
Not banned in the US. There are even motorcycle jackets.
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/397/5171/Motorcycle-Article/Joe-Rocket-Hemp-Jacket-Review.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/397/5171/Motorcycle-Article/Joe-Rocket-Hemp-Jacket-Review.aspx)
On sale too!
http://www.jafrum.com/Shop-By-Brand/Joe-Rocket-Jackets/Joe-Rocket-Jackets-Mens-Joe-Rocket-Hemp-Motorcycle-Jacket?gclid=CMDKmrnvybUCFYqk4Aodnw0AiA (http://www.jafrum.com/Shop-By-Brand/Joe-Rocket-Jackets/Joe-Rocket-Jackets-Mens-Joe-Rocket-Hemp-Motorcycle-Jacket?gclid=CMDKmrnvybUCFYqk4Aodnw0AiA)
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IIRC the growing of hemp is banned. Products made from hemp are not.
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Have you seen this man?
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I always thought it was ignorant to have outlawed Pot and the continual fight to keep it illegal. It is not as dangerous as alcohol. The argument that it is a "gateway drug" is a red herring. Pot smokers do not automatically become crack heads, anymore than a beer drinker automatically becomes an alcoholic. Regulate it, tax it, and sell it in the liquor store. If someone over does it and screws up, arrest them for operating under the influence, just like you would with a drunk.
All very well said Leo; pot is no more the "gateway drug" than beer is to distilled spirits; long ago I used pot on a daily basis and I even experimented with a few others but throughout I had absolute disdain for drunks and dopeheads who ruin their lives and the lives of others as well as that garbage such as meth and crack... Today I have no use for drugs as I have to pass both random and specific drug tests that are much higher than DOT as without my 120,XXX.XX income my family and myself would be screwed.... And who said that pot heads never amount to anything?
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[.... And who said that pot heads never amount to anything?
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I will be impressed when I see your Cayman Island Bank account. ::)
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... as without my 120,XXX.XX+ income my family and myself would be screwed.... And who said that pot heads never amount to anything?
+1 I'm lucky... I don't currently have to take the random tests, or I would be screwed as well. 8)
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All very well said Leo; pot is no more the "gateway drug" than beer is to distilled spirits; long ago I used pot on a daily basis and I even experimented with a few others but throughout I had absolute disdain for drunks and dopeheads who ruin their lives and the lives of others as well as that garbage such as meth and crack... Today I have no use for drugs as I have to pass both random and specific drug tests that are much higher than DOT as without my 120,XXX.XX income my family and myself would be screwed.... And who said that pot heads never amount to anything?
+1 been there, done that, and that, and that, and some other stuff too. I'm in the 90 - 110K range depending on how much OT I work.
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And who said that pot heads never amount to anything?
Some even became President of the United States!
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Some even became President of the United States!
Some even cultivated it themselves...
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Some even became President of the United States!
For 2 terms. ;)
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[.... And who said that pot heads never amount to anything?
I will be impressed when I see your Cayman Island Bank account. ::)
You've seen my garage and drank my beer; is that not enough? :)
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I've not seen nor I have drank beer from the T garage...this saddens me greatly. :'(
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I've not seen nor I have drank beer from the T garage...this saddens me greatly. :'(
If your ever in the south Mi area just come on over.... Always cold import and local made beer in my garage.....
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Sounds like a road trip this summer if you're not on the boat...