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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Alex_V on November 22, 2013, 05:02:12 PM

Title: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on November 22, 2013, 05:02:12 PM
Well, hi to the locals. New guy here. Not new to bikes, had all kinds in the past. First Connie just picked up. She needs some work, so I figured I will blog about it. So after 1800 mile drive bike was back in my garage in Atlanta. Me and my buddy drove all over picking up a car trailer, then Connie, then Formula Ford car, and back to ATL.

She was previously salvaged. I got the bike for a song fully anticipating few things that need to be fixed.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ZKPInMpLiCA/Uo1HeoBGKJI/AAAAAAAAEQ4/g0Rwm6HkLOo/w765-h509-no/DSC_5900.JPG)

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Title: Few pics of the damage
Post by: Alex_V on November 22, 2013, 05:04:12 PM
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/PhBZbn1XJq9kswi4czzGvIFN672dGwG5brgNPRg3hAM=w765-h509-no)

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Title: Stripping her down
Post by: Alex_V on November 22, 2013, 05:11:43 PM
Next day she went for initial evaluation. Something was binding the forks. That was kind of worrying. I was hoping to avoid having to deal with a bent frame. So, first we need to get to see what hides under the plastic.

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Some home made bracketry rendered electric windshield unoperatable. That is not going to be cheap…. Hopefully I can locate a used assembly.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ES6JcKxjkGc/Uo1HnwbLfuI/AAAAAAAAESc/mL7qSqFNAos/w765-h509-no/DSC_5923.JPG)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-d_tHWG3C64I/Uo1HoqbdQVI/AAAAAAAAESk/lHDN2YkWvrI/w765-h509-no/DSC_5924.JPG)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-KXM5k-ZZe7c/Uo1HrESPUtI/AAAAAAAAES8/VcV6QKrOFSM/w765-h509-no/DSC_5927.JPG)

Parts to be replaced are tossed to the side

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For day one thats enough. Next is jacking up the front to see what is going on with the forks binding. Also rotors may be warped. Bike pulsated under the brakes when testing in the neighborhood. So thats next.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: VirginiaJim on November 22, 2013, 05:35:31 PM
Welcome, Alex!  I'm going to move this off to the C14 The Bike section.  Sounds like a lot of work ahead of you and thank goodness you do have the fastest color.

One thing to remember when getting parts for these bikes is that with the bodywork panels, nothing comes with it.  Everything is extra so if you can salvage parts from the panel you'll be that much ahead.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on November 22, 2013, 08:02:12 PM
Welcome, Alex!  I'm going to move this off to the C14 The Bike section.  Sounds like a lot of work ahead of you and thank goodness you do have the fastest color.

One thing to remember when getting parts for these bikes is that with the bodywork panels, nothing comes with it.  Everything is extra so if you can salvage parts from the panel you'll be that much ahead.

Oh, I am salvaging every bit I can.

Few questions… Where can I get a PDF of a service manual? Or a link to a writeup about fixing a leaky valve cover gaskets? Google and "search" feature has failed me so far.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: VirginiaJim on November 22, 2013, 08:39:32 PM
We don't support links to bootleg service manuals.  However, if someone here wants to talk to you about that off the grid, then so be it.  You might want to try our brother site in the UK as well...

http://www.gtr1400.co.uk/forums/index.php (http://www.gtr1400.co.uk/forums/index.php)

Very good people there..slightly batty but what can we say... ;)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on November 22, 2013, 10:40:47 PM
We don't support links to bootleg service manuals.  However, if someone here wants to talk to you about that off the grid, then so be it.  You might want to try our brother site in the UK as well...

http://www.gtr1400.co.uk/forums/index.php (http://www.gtr1400.co.uk/forums/index.php)

Very good people there..slightly batty but what can we say... ;)

Fair deal…

Quick question, how much drag rear wheel should have when on center stand? Mine seems to drag a little. Is that normal? This is my second shaft bike, and I frankly don't recall how much my FJR rear wheel used to drag when free spinning it.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: VirginiaJim on November 23, 2013, 05:57:33 AM
It certainly doesn't freewheel.  I think that they all some drag.  I know mine does.  If you don't see any bluing from high heat, then it should be fine.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: martin_14 on November 24, 2013, 12:44:16 AM
welcome Alex, I admire your guts to undertake this project. Do keep us posted  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on November 24, 2013, 08:02:17 PM
welcome Alex, I admire your guts to undertake this project. Do keep us posted  :thumbs:

Thanks, it's all fun while weather is sucking.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on November 24, 2013, 08:11:08 PM
So Day two was diving into the front fairing and getting to the valve cover gasket. Pile of parts is starting to grow. Need a bigger garage at some point ))

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Fork tubes are removed and examined. Pretty sure triples are f@cked, but forks show no damage. So does the steering head. Good news I guess, but lower triples are ridiculously expensive. Ebay or forums hopefully will get me a straight used set.

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Holy hell, how much stuff you have to remove to get to the valve cover. Wonder what a dealer charges for a valve job?

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-hmykHRHSlKc/UpK9eVxJJGI/AAAAAAAAETc/2D2DT7sJ1Rk/w782-h520-no/DSC_5931.JPG)

Exercise equipment is getting a good use:

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Valve cover in sight

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Previous owner had a passion for this bike and its maintenance. Air filter says it all. Wonder what is the mileage on the bike. 15K on stock filter?

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After following the manual valve cover is off and valve check adjustment is next. New gasket is ordered and on its way.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on November 24, 2013, 08:27:39 PM
So, this is my peace offering to the board - free Speedo Healer. Not planning to use it. Not sure if it works. Was on the bike and unplugged, so no way to tell. First to claim gets it. You cover shipping.

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Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Speedy on November 25, 2013, 09:56:30 AM
Hi Alex,

Was this the Connie that was for sale in Blairsville, Ga for something like $3500 on craigs?  Saw it a few times, but I dont have the mechanical expertise (or the stomach) for that kind of repair job.

Good luck to you.

Jay in ATL
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on November 25, 2013, 11:35:41 AM
Hi Alex,

Was this the Connie that was for sale in Blairsville, Ga for something like $3500 on craigs?  Saw it a few times, but I dont have the mechanical expertise (or the stomach) for that kind of repair job.

Good luck to you.

Jay in ATL

Hi Jay,
This one came from NY state. It is really not that bad of a project once you break it up in small steps. I would of not bought it for 3,5 thought. At that price point you are better off buying a mint used bike.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: VirginiaJim on November 25, 2013, 01:03:11 PM
I know that we all look forward to your progress on this project.  Please keep us informed as you progress.  And of course we're always available to help with questions.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: martin_14 on November 25, 2013, 01:09:06 PM
that's a tempting offer with the Speedo Healer, but I'm planning to use a fatto in casa speedo healer by mounting a 55 profile next year. Now my baby rests in the garage. Snot, snow, white elephant cr@p, what ever you call that cold, wet, slippery thing falling from the sky... it's bound for this week in Munich. Yeah, I'm so happy about it. I'm chewing my socks in happiness...  :banghead:
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: stevewfl on November 25, 2013, 02:06:51 PM
Nice thread!!!
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on November 27, 2013, 02:45:57 AM
So….. today mission was getting valve cover off, and doing a valve check (possibly adjustment). It has been a while since I have done one. Most of my bike wrenching was done when I was racing two-stroke GP bikes (T250's and TZ125's). Luckely my buddy Brian was around working on his race car to keep me in check.

What a tight fit. At one point I even considered dropping the motor out. But that is way more work then I am ready for. So I kept taking bits off until valve cover slid out of the frame side. Shop manuel is pretty helpful. Just need to be patient.

Bike looks like it exploded:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/AyYRI-jDcxMv1xN4G7xOcUiaAXZliYNvHiLLQAYfLLs=w812-h540-no)

So my current feeler gauges are not thin enough for the task. And a new set is purchased. Was really hoping valves would all be in spec. Well, they are just a hair out of spec on all exhaust valves, and two outside intake valves are out of spec as well. Crap, I guess it has to be done :D

A bunch of bolts and cams are out. They look great, but would get a cleaning and examination just in case. No anticipation of issues there.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-m3Ep2qZRML8/UpW67sr71HI/AAAAAAAAEVE/SOlu0teJqmk/w812-h540-no/DSC_5944.JPG)

Time to do the math. And figure out what shims I can reuse and which ones I need to order. I need 5 new shims. Priced them online… about 9 bucks each. Holy hell, kawasaki….

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-gkZegRCIoxA/UpW65-eHlNI/AAAAAAAAEU0/n_LF5beBtBk/w812-h540-no/DSC_5942.JPG)

By the way, there is a mistake (typo) in the shop manuel. Page 68. Mean value on exhaust side is not .125mm but .215mm

Well, thats all for now. Hope to get the gasket in the mail soon and get the necessary shims so I can get motor all back together.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on November 27, 2013, 03:00:40 AM
Few questions:

- Are there any emissions / restriction bits that can be removed that are worth doing at this stage?
- What weight fork oil people usually go with? And how much is needed?
- What weight shaft drive oil is good to use, and how much is needed?

I will look in the book, but sometime people figure out better ways.

So far I gathered this:

Shaft Drive: GL-5 or GL-6 Gear Oil 5.4 US oz.
Fork Oil: SAE-5W 15 US oz per fork
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: maxtog on November 27, 2013, 05:43:23 AM
Shop manuel is pretty helpful.

So you now think it might be worth the price rather than "stealing" it?

Love all the photos you are posting!  They are not only interesting, but well-taken.  Quite the huge project.

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By the way, there is a mistake (typo) in the shop manuel.
(It is "manual" not "manuel") Well, it is a hell of a lot better written than the horrible owner's manual!
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: gPink on November 27, 2013, 05:59:58 AM
So you now think it might be worth the price rather than "stealing" it?

Love all the photos you are posting!  They are not only interesting, but well-taken.  Quite the huge project.
(It is "manual" not "manuel") Well, it is a hell of a lot better written than the horrible owner's manual!
Little snippy aren't we Max?  ;) How do you know he didn't 'steal' it?
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on November 27, 2013, 06:11:41 AM
Maybe there is such thing as victimless crime. Maybe Kawasaki will get plenty of my money in parts sales and can throw me a little discount….. many maybes  8)

And as far as spelling goes - perhaps it's parts cleaner fumes, or maybe 3am typing, or english being a second language… either way, this is not a spelling bee, but a bike re-build :D and I am too lazy to proofread.

Thans for a compliment on photography. It's a hobby of mine  :chugbeer:
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Cuda on November 27, 2013, 06:30:03 AM
Max is Max... his mother still proof reads all his work  ;)
He rides the net instead of his bike ???
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: VirginiaJim on November 27, 2013, 06:41:53 AM
It's coming up on Thanksgiving, guys.  Let's all think about that and post accordingly.. :)

Happy Thanksgiving to all. 
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: gPink on November 27, 2013, 07:29:17 AM
Can we go back to normal for Christmas?
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: VirginiaJim on November 27, 2013, 08:07:26 AM
After the holidays for sure...
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Cuda on November 27, 2013, 02:16:04 PM
Ni! Ni! Ni!
Peng  Neee-Wom
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: maxtog on November 27, 2013, 04:17:34 PM
Little snippy aren't we Max?  ;) How do you know he didn't 'steal' it?

It is quite apparent from the postings and timings.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: maxtog on November 27, 2013, 04:19:41 PM
Maybe there is such thing as victimless crime. Maybe Kawasaki will get plenty of my money in parts sales and can throw me a little discount….. many maybes  8)

Those are called "rationalizations"!

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And as far as spelling goes - perhaps it's parts cleaner fumes, or maybe 3am typing, or english being a second language… either way, this is not a spelling bee, but a bike re-build :D and I am too lazy to proofread.

Where are you?  Not in USA?  Sorry, will try to not be as picky.  But as others say "I am Max"!  As a language, English really sucks.  It is complicated and full of exceptions and inconsistencies, although it is very expressive and rich.

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Thans for a compliment on photography. It's a hobby of mine  :chugbeer:

I thought you were pretty good at that and it was more than just some quick snapshots.  I kept looking at your photos and thinking "damn these are really good photos".  I dabble in photography too; I have an Alpha 65 and thinking of upgrading (yet again) to a 99 (if it goes on sale because it is crazy expensive).

Your project is a HUGE one, it will be fun to watch your progress.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: maxtog on November 27, 2013, 04:21:23 PM
Max is Max... his mother still proof reads all his work  ;)

Nah, but she did pester me as a kid about grammar.  Seemed to be one of her things that rubbed off on me.

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He rides the net instead of his bike ???

When it is damn freezing out, you got that right!  It is just plain nasty outside lately.  Cold, wet, dark, rainy, windy.  Blech.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Son of Pappy on November 27, 2013, 04:29:16 PM
Enough.  Seriously.  Lets enjoy the resurrection without the false moral bravado.  Jim said what needed to be said and FWIW we do not need any more moderators. 
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: maxtog on November 27, 2013, 04:29:39 PM
- Are there any emissions / restriction bits that can be removed that are worth doing at this stage?

Missed that part.  Perhaps the catalytic convertors.... but that probably isn't really worth doing if you are not going to make other major changes to the exhaust... and then you will need to go outside the stock fuel mapping (with a PC commander, probably).  If you are really into making it fast and an even larger project then get a cat-free ZX header, put in an O2 sensor, and run a dual exhaust.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: maxtog on November 27, 2013, 04:31:29 PM
Enough.  Seriously.  Lets enjoy the resurrection without the false moral bravado.  Jim said what needed to be said and FWIW we do not need any more moderators.

Now who is moderating.....  :)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: speed545 on November 27, 2013, 05:01:45 PM
So….. today mission was getting valve cover off, and doing a valve check (possibly adjustment). It has been a while since I have done one. Most of my bike wrenching was done when I was racing two-stroke GP bikes (T250's and TZ125's). Luckely my buddy Brian was around working on his race car to keep me in check.

What a tight fit. At one point I even considered dropping the motor out. But that is way more work then I am ready for. So I kept taking bits off until valve cover slid out of the frame side. Shop manuel is pretty helpful. Just need to be patient.

Bike looks like it exploded:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/AyYRI-jDcxMv1xN4G7xOcUiaAXZliYNvHiLLQAYfLLs=w812-h540-no)



Nice project. Fun to see pics and evolution of your work.

Is this a RD400 at the back ? looks cool
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: VirginiaJim on November 27, 2013, 05:24:58 PM
Unless this bike was bought new in Cali, I don't think that there is any emissions stuff worth worrying about or disconnecting.  The Cali bikes had a charcoal canister so if you don't see that then I wouldn't worry about the emissions gear affecting anything.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Cuda on November 28, 2013, 09:26:35 AM
Missed that part.  Perhaps the catalytic convertors.... but that probably isn't really worth doing if you are not going to make other major changes to the exhaust... and then you will need to go outside the stock fuel mapping (with a PC commander, probably).  If you are really into making it fast and an even larger project then get a cat-free ZX header, put in an O2 sensor, and run a dual exhaust.


PLEASE MAX it's catalytic CONVERTERS NOT convertors :stirpot:
And NO you don't have to put in a 02 sensor with ZX headers with out catalytic convertERS or change the map , but the Guhl flash is nice ;) :thumbs:
I think most people would be surprised just how restrictive those two cats are (small little holes)
 :chugbeer:
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: maxtog on November 28, 2013, 12:18:17 PM
PLEASE MAX it's catalytic CONVERTERS NOT convertors :stirpot:

Actually, either spelling is acceptable.  You may verify that with the following link: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/convertor?s=t (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/convertor?s=t)  So put THAT in your pot and stir it!!

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And NO you don't have to put in a 02 sensor with ZX headers with out catalytic converters

I didn't say one HAD to, only it is probably the best route (because it can be autotuned).

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or change the map , but the Guhl flash is nice ;) :thumbs:

Indeed the Guhl flash is nice (I probably need to do that), but if I were replacing the headers and exhaust and having no cats, etc, I would probably go for autotuning.  Otherwise it is just a Guhl guess as to what the map should be (it is unlikely they would have the same bike config available).
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on November 28, 2013, 04:55:14 PM
Happy Turkey Day everyone….   ;)

Max, I work as an Art Director for big ad agencies, so some photography comes with the territory, but honestly having a good lens is half the battle. Once bike will be back together I will post better photos. Right now I am just clicking on full auto without post editing.

I didn't do a good introduction here, did I? A little about myself: I live in Atlanta, GA, but grew up in Moscow, RU. I have been riding since 96. Done some WERA racing, some dirt racing, now old and scared only do touring. Since I started riding had about 45 various bikes. Currently I have 1998 TZ250, 1998 TZ125, 1988 Hawk GT, 1988 Ural 650, and 08 Connie. Here are some pics of the stable :)

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(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--01RRD88uOI/UmsXUI5rYXI/AAAAAAAAEOw/DYprt5cOtCY/w769-h511-no/DSC_5841.JPG)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/ANcHn8JC17MTOO2fOB0iZ10cj1MGZfiOjV-aftMbxyQ=w768-h511-no)

(https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1234079_10151906943584208_1601755775_n.jpg)


So Connie was bought for a specific purpose - get it shipped to Moscow and ride across europe with my gf. We have done some fun trips together. Last one was two months across Mexico. We zigzagged from Atlanta to Cancun and back on a FZ1. So if everything goes well the currently broken Connie will see some good action.

Ok, enough for now. Back to changing fork oil.

Thanks for all your post and suggestions. Cheers
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on November 28, 2013, 05:12:44 PM

Nice project. Fun to see pics and evolution of your work.

Is this a RD400 at the back ? looks cool

Thanks.

This old turdbucket is my friends. He ran out of garage space and it lives in my garage. Absolutely mint RD400. I will snap a few pics when daylight.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-detJeuxsJcU/UpfbZHuvocI/AAAAAAAAEVs/2g3unQfet8k/w768-h511-no/DSC_5947.JPG)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: stevewfl on November 28, 2013, 06:13:15 PM
MOST EXCELLENT THREAD!   Bike Porn is just an added touch to a build thread (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/readfacts.gif)


Please Alex disregard the threadjacking and continue.  And if you need me to share a service manual or a top secret this or that please let me know. H*ll if your near Tampa I'll come over and give you a hand...and bring some studio photography lighting (and a model, makeup, and hair artist too with enough notice) ;D
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on November 28, 2013, 07:39:56 PM
So, with all the evidence of poor treatment in the past I was certain oil in the forks is shot. Fork seals were not leaking so it will be just a change of fluids. Manual calls for 15oz of 5 weight in each, so I picked up a 33oz can of Maxima 5 weight fork oil. So lets see how this works out….

Made a classic rookie mistake of not loosening the caps before taking forks out of the triples. So first I had to put them back into triples so I can break the caps loose. Unfortunately I didn't have a deep socket and had to do use a wrench. Left some marks on the caps, but hell… it's a little scar, and chicks dig scars.

Didn't feel like working in cold garage, so it's kitchen time….. Thanksgiving dinner table full of win

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Checked the forks for being out of round. And as suspected previously it's only triples that were damaged. Forks look good. No marks on chrome either.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4Bnh55FondY/Upf1xh-5-ZI/AAAAAAAAEYE/tMlGyP7fKOE/w768-h511-no/DSC_5949.JPG)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WX6O3scNqa8/Upf13-EsnPI/AAAAAAAAEX8/w1RFPdkENkc/w768-h511-no/DSC_5964.JPG)

Left fork was drained first. That is the side where lower triple is damaged. Fluid is very thick and gooey like. Strange, but whatever. Looks pretty dirty to me. Exactly 15oz came out. Mark was made on the cup just for reference.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2gnQMWkGQts/Upf1zYOITwI/AAAAAAAAEWo/lYtWRBDYFJ8/w768-h511-no/DSC_5953.JPG)

Time to drain the right fork. Now this is where things got interesting!!!! Fluid is of much lower viscosity and pours out way more freely. Same 15 oz but of much different viscosity. This one puzzles me. I remember looking at fork caps and one looked virgin, and never opened. Other I wasn't 100% sure. It could of been very very carefully opened. So, why is there such a difference in fluids? Any thoughts of what could of happened here? Right fork fluid was a bit darker to.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-tZ4DTE3Gocg/Upf12UzmJlI/AAAAAAAAEXg/04GxY50jzjY/w768-h511-no/DSC_5960.JPG)

For comparison that is what new fluid looks like.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qBnbXAF1OPc/Upf13bAwhSI/AAAAAAAAEX0/NM8W79gCgUA/w768-h511-no/DSC_5963.JPG)

Everything is put back together and last I wanted to record what damping settings previous owner was running. Surprisingly one is full hard 14 out of 14 clicks, and other is 12 out of 14. I put them both in the middle 7 out of 14 and will dial in when bike is operational.

I went to look for compression damping screw, and realized that there is none of that on Concours. Well, I can live without compression damping adjustment. Most likely would of just left it in the middle and forgot that it's there :)

Not sure what will be next, probably finishing up the valve job.

Cheers,
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on November 28, 2013, 07:46:52 PM
MOST EXCELLENT THREAD!   Bike Porn is just an added touch to a build thread (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/readfacts.gif)


Please Alex disregard the threadjacking and continue.  And if you need me to share a service manual or a top secret this or that please let me know. H*ll if your near Tampa I'll come over and give you a hand...and bring some studio photography lighting (and a model, makeup, and hair artist too with enough notice) ;D

Thanks Steve, I am near Atlanta, but otherwise would of taken up on your offer ;) feel free to stop by if you are ever in Atlanta. I can take you to some great riding roads in North Ga.

Looking at you avatar you race CCS or WERA? I still come out to the track sometimes to spectate. Perhaps I will run into you some day. Not sure if I miss those days, but it was a good rush for sure. Here is a pic from the past.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RNjnlP749ws/UmtFMMbpXBI/AAAAAAAAEO8/yg-W5kA4aXY/w910-h498-no/TZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: pistole on November 28, 2013, 08:01:27 PM
I went to look for compression damping screw, and realized that there is none of that on Concours

rebound and compression : both adjustable.

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Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on November 28, 2013, 08:05:56 PM
rebound and compression : both adjustable.

.

On a 2008? I must be loosing it today, but where is the compression damping adjustment? I am pretty certain it is only adjustable for preload, and rebound.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Pilgrim on November 29, 2013, 05:58:16 AM

Great job Alex, this is good stuff.

Thanks for sharing.

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: ZG on November 29, 2013, 09:18:35 AM


(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-detJeuxsJcU/UpfbZHuvocI/AAAAAAAAEVs/2g3unQfet8k/w768-h511-no/DSC_5947.JPG)




Very cool indeed right there!  :thumbs: :thumbs: :cool:
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Warbird on November 29, 2013, 12:11:04 PM
Hi Alex.....love the TZ's.... 8)

Yeah, no compression adj. Here are the standard settings ( 150 lb rider )

Spring preload

Adjuster protrusion is 14 mm (0.55 in.)
(Usable range: 4 ∼ 19 mm) (0.16 ∼ 0.75 in.)

Rebound adj.

5th click from the 1st click of the fully clockwise position
(Usable range: 0 ←→ 11 clicks)

I see you are using 5 wt. Not positive but they may have raised the amount by an ounce on the 2010 and up units. That is all they changed and the addition of a 2 year newer tire got rave reviews for the improved low speed handling.

Will check on that amount for you....great thread....... :chugbeer:

Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Warbird on November 29, 2013, 12:24:10 PM
Hi Alex....
They did indeed increase the amount.  +25ml

25mL = 0.84535us fl oz

Everything else the same.

Like that RD 400 too. I have a 1973 RD 350 in the garage corner waiting for some tlc.   :)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Warbird on November 29, 2013, 12:28:23 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on November 29, 2013, 03:32:32 PM
Now that is one clean garage… wish my place was this nice )) Thanks for the info

So, today was a check card warrior day. Ordered 5 shims from JakeWilson.com, plus a new battery, and spark plugs. Just over a hundred bucks to get free shipping. Hopefully all parts get here by mid next week so I can wrap up the valve job.


Next I really need to hunt down straight lower triples, and few more bits.

Does anyone have a cracked in the front headlight assembly? Mine has a few tabs broken on the back, it looks like a replaceable part. But you can't buy it from Kawasaki.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on November 30, 2013, 10:25:05 AM
For the lack of project progress I took a better pic of my friends RD. We cranked it up yesterday just to find out that carb boot is leaking… more crap to fix

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MMIdPz2CLyM/Upoe0PJwq6I/AAAAAAAAEYU/94ZB7s0r5uI/s720/DSC_5969.JPG)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: stevewfl on December 02, 2013, 10:43:33 AM
top~
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on December 02, 2013, 11:26:30 AM
Thanks for the bump. Things are on hold. Waiting on shims that should arrive in the next few days. Here is a mostly completed list of parts that I am currently aware off. It's much harder to find used bits than I anticipated. If anyone knows of a Concours being parted out plz let me know.

LOCK-ASSY, SIDE BAG, LH   27016-5355 (latch part broken)

WINDSHIELD-ASSY   55036-0005 (whole assembly was replaced by a home made aluminum bracket)

BRACKET,COWLING   11055-1804 (aluminum piece that bolts to headstock)

STAY,COWLING,RH CNUS   35063-0675 (steel bracket on right hand side, this I may be able to re-use)

COVER,INNER,RH   14092-0114 (black plastic cover on top of side fairing)

COVER-ASSY   16146-0081 (These are glove box part numbers)
COVER-ASSY   16146-0084 (Same)

DISC,FR,HOUSING BLACK+DISC SIL   41080-0102-5C (Both front disc are warped, can I use discs from other models?)
DISC,FR,HOUSING BLACK+DISC SIL   41080-0102-5C

COVER,METER   14091-0890 (outside dash cover, mine has scratches not a must)
BRACKET,METER COVER,LH   11054-1786 (little bracket that connects to left air duct)
KNOB,AIMING   92077-0015 (headlight adjustment knob has some scratches, not a must)

COWLING,LWR,RH,BLACK   55028-0200-18T (black right side lower fairing)

HOLDER-FORK UNDER   44037-0061 (lower triples, do any other models fit?)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Caffeinated on December 06, 2013, 03:26:36 PM
 :thumbs: on the rebuild!

PinWall Cycles parts out C14's all the time on eBay. If you can't find a part online, give them a call.
http://stores.ebay.com/PinWall-Cycle-Parts-Inc/Concours-/_i.html?_nkw=ZG1400&submit=Search&_fsub=3442370014&_sid=12458664 (http://stores.ebay.com/PinWall-Cycle-Parts-Inc/Concours-/_i.html?_nkw=ZG1400&submit=Search&_fsub=3442370014&_sid=12458664)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: VirginiaJim on December 07, 2013, 05:14:34 AM
Good tip! Thanks.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Warbird on December 07, 2013, 02:06:22 PM
Good tip! Thanks.


Yes! Thank you.... :)

Looked around on there and found this....OUCH! :(  Alex I think you did pretty good on yours..... ;)

Scroll down to see picture's of the bike this exhaust came off of.... :o

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-Kawasaki-Concours-ZG1400-1400-EXHAUST-MUFFLER-SYSTEM-/130972926736?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item1e7e984310#ht_3934wt_943 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-Kawasaki-Concours-ZG1400-1400-EXHAUST-MUFFLER-SYSTEM-/130972926736?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item1e7e984310#ht_3934wt_943)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Rhino on December 07, 2013, 04:37:11 PM

Yes! Thank you.... :)

Looked around on there and found this....OUCH! :(  Alex I think you did pretty good on yours..... ;)

Scroll down to see picture's of the bike this exhaust came off of.... :o

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-Kawasaki-Concours-ZG1400-1400-EXHAUST-MUFFLER-SYSTEM-/130972926736?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item1e7e984310#ht_3934wt_943 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-Kawasaki-Concours-ZG1400-1400-EXHAUST-MUFFLER-SYSTEM-/130972926736?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item1e7e984310#ht_3934wt_943)

You can have my potato launcher for the price of shipping. Came off my 2010 and is in good condition.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on December 07, 2013, 05:02:52 PM
So, I got the shims to complete the valve job… Somehow I missed a few that were needed. So valve job on hold. Attempted to put a new battery, and realized I am better off attempting that surgery during day hours. Whoever did this has to be looking for a new job. Pic in a sec
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on December 07, 2013, 05:10:51 PM
Battery wiring magic… what the hell were they thinking?

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/K45kXOiL0TTL_RcP_LTpVJIMbUeLLMTDlCKfLyeiesQ=w762-h507)

Some minor plastic bits came in:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-09dajmTRrS0/UqO4F9dDiqI/AAAAAAAAEYs/A1QsyL4z0iM/w762-h507-no/DSC_5976.JPG)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: rhhall on December 07, 2013, 06:22:44 PM
Great thread. Keep sharing. Had the same feeling about the battery. :o
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: maxtog on December 07, 2013, 07:57:37 PM
Great thread. Keep sharing. Had the same feeling about the battery. :o

I assume he wasn't talking about the factory design, but the aftermarket stuff the previous owner(s) installed across the front of it...
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Caffeinated on December 08, 2013, 08:11:17 AM
I assume he wasn't talking about the factory design, but the aftermarket stuff the previous owner(s) installed across the front of it...

I think he's talking about the battery being installed backwards, and the mess of aftermarket wires.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: maxtog on December 08, 2013, 09:59:07 AM
battery being installed backwards

Oh yeah, it *is* installed backwards, too!
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Wingfixer on December 09, 2013, 08:40:03 AM
So, I got the shims to complete the valve job… Somehow I missed a few that were needed. So valve job on hold. Attempted to put a new battery, and realized I am better off attempting that surgery during day hours. Whoever did this has to be looking for a new job. Pic in a sec

It sounds like this is coming too late but for future reference, I bought the shims for my valve job from a Honda dealer. They where less than half the price that Kawi wanted.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on January 17, 2014, 07:26:54 AM
Well, sorry it has been a while… holidays and some personal issues have set me back from working on the bike. So far, valve job has been almost complete. Just need to double check clearances and button up the motor. new spark plugs, new battery… ordered a set of used triples… it's slowly coming along. Will post pics in the next few days.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on January 17, 2014, 07:27:52 AM
It sounds like this is coming too late but for future reference, I bought the shims for my valve job from a Honda dealer. They where less than half the price that Kawi wanted.

I got shims from Jake Wilson.com great prices. Definitely recommend.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: MrPepsi on January 17, 2014, 03:04:17 PM
Great thread, definitely following.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: martin_14 on January 19, 2014, 01:18:52 AM
Great thread, definitely following.

+1
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on January 22, 2014, 11:08:28 AM
Some pics… pretty self explanatory. Have more parts on the way…

New battery getting acid filled. Good to read the instructions before doing this.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WzK5Q7QiSu4/UuAGt5Ip1FI/AAAAAAAAEek/AD3wDHpGZ2g/w811-h539-no/DSC_6043.JPG)

Spark plugs were not bad, but at this point might as well stick new ones:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-x3jqWnJV1P0/UuAGu7qbNbI/AAAAAAAAEes/oOZK0G-2nD8/w811-h539-no/DSC_6106.JPG)

Correct shims are in, just need to set the timing and put motor back together
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-lIyAwDiZStg/UuAGvyGKjDI/AAAAAAAAEe0/fth1k5Ufg4g/w811-h539-no/DSC_6107.JPG)

New pads are in
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-pw8hg-MxwLY/UuAGwiDAikI/AAAAAAAAEe8/WhUGtiqu9jc/w811-h539-no/DSC_6109.JPG)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on February 04, 2014, 05:51:18 AM
So, its slowly coming back together… New triples are in, and forks are no longer binding. New pads, rotors were send to Will's Rim Repair to get straightened. Motor bolted all up and valves are now perfect. Time to ger het back together cosmetically.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-8ofSJhtnO70/UvDg7QXvz1I/AAAAAAAAEhY/bOTlAGq_rWM/w740-h492-no/DSC_6170.JPG)

While we are at it, lets drain the final drive fluid and put some new synthetic fluid in.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3HlTXfFQhUg/UvDg6x9dKJI/AAAAAAAAEhQ/TPu-c7cky1A/w740-h492-no/DSC_6172.JPG)

Time to order some new parts and she will be ready for GA inspection. Still need a windshield motor assembly, latch for side bag, and a few small bits.

Throttle cables are on back order and I am re-using old ones that have a small kink.

Slowly but surely she is coming back to its former glory.

 8)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Son of Pappy on February 04, 2014, 08:41:21 AM
Nice progress!  Wishing you the best of luck on the rotors, but I bet you end up with new ones.  I recommend the EBCs.  Front wheel looks nekid without rotors :)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: ZG on February 04, 2014, 09:50:31 AM
So what's your plan for the bodywork?  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: MrPepsi on February 04, 2014, 09:52:11 AM
So what's your plan for the bodywork?  :popcorn:

Cause ZG has nine different sets in a rainbow of colors.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: ZG on February 04, 2014, 12:27:14 PM
Cause ZG has nine different sets in a rainbow of colors.


 :-[       ;D :chugbeer:
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on February 04, 2014, 01:50:50 PM
I have most of bodywork, some panels are slightly pre-scuffed. Just a matter of bolting it all back up.

Rotors hava a very small pulse, I bet they can be straightened easily. If not I will get a new set.

Can't wait for riding weather
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Gsun on February 04, 2014, 07:31:26 PM
Nice Alex! If possible, let us know how much you saved doing this. I did a rebuild when the bike was only a year old and saved about 3-4K over the cost of buying a used one in perfect condition. Not that mine ended up in perfect condition, but I could not have afforded it otherwise.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on February 05, 2014, 07:33:04 AM
Well, I bought the bike very cheap… the guy selling it didn't disclose a lot about the bike, and purposefully hid a lot of the issues. So I lowballed the price big time. With all the parts and NOT counting my time I have about $3K in the project. Am going to spend another $1K to get everything right. So my plan for $4K + my time (and my friends time) to have a bike that is fully serviced and ready for long miles.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: stevewfl on February 05, 2014, 02:09:58 PM
Well, I bought the bike very cheap… the guy selling it didn't disclose a lot about the bike, and purposefully hid a lot of the issues. So I lowballed the price big time. With all the parts and NOT counting my time I have about $3K in the project. Am going to spend another $1K to get everything right. So my plan for $4K + my time (and my friends time) to have a bike that is fully serviced and ready for long miles.

^^^awesome!
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Gsun on February 05, 2014, 10:10:06 PM
Well, I bought the bike very cheap… the guy selling it didn't disclose a lot about the bike, and purposefully hid a lot of the issues. So I lowballed the price big time. With all the parts and NOT counting my time I have about $3K in the project. Am going to spend another $1K to get everything right. So my plan for $4K + my time (and my friends time) to have a bike that is fully serviced and ready for long miles.
That's great! Your time is worth putting in because it's a fun project. At least mine was. If you added money for that, fuggitaboutit! Your friends helped? Uh oh. You have to add the cost of beer!
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Scaffolder on February 06, 2014, 08:32:16 AM
Just found this thread today. Took most of my morning to catch up on it.
Great pictures and write up. Thanks for taking all this time to show progress. These are great bikes. How many miles were on the bike when you picked it up? I'm guessing 25,000 miles.
Good luck with the rest of the job.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on February 06, 2014, 09:59:58 AM
My guess is the bike had about 20K miles. No way to really tell, the dash is showing 1600 miles. It came from a different bike.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Scaffolder on February 06, 2014, 11:07:12 AM
Thanks. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on March 04, 2014, 02:19:34 PM
Well, bike is almost ready. Still need a right side fairing plastic, new tires, latch for the bag…. and a few scuffed bits will be replaced later as miles roll on. Not the final pics, but it's running great and is almost done.

Fisheye lens is making pics look funny, and I am too lazy to change it to a regular one ))

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-i02L6yT9qz0/UxZCc0WFOVI/AAAAAAAAEiU/tM4CEYjKKA0/w687-h457-no/DSC_6205.JPG)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zpnuCpxZjBs/UxZCdnRIKTI/AAAAAAAAEic/a8fyyh2VjwE/w687-h457-no/DSC_6204.JPG)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: VirginiaJim on March 04, 2014, 08:29:33 PM
It looks fast just sitting there...
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Pokey on March 04, 2014, 11:40:50 PM
That enormous exhaust is hurting my eyes!  :yikes:
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on March 04, 2014, 11:54:12 PM
It's the fisheye lens )) But i agree, the thing is a bit heavy
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: maxtog on March 04, 2014, 11:58:28 PM
That enormous exhaust is hurting my eyes!  :yikes:

The 1 gen looks a little larger than 2 gen, plus without the bags makes it look even bigger, plus the camera angle.  It is the perfect storm :)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on March 05, 2014, 12:03:18 AM
Here… no exhaust )))

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qWJpCJx8HO8/UxZCcMSSNGI/AAAAAAAAEiM/8MBYvl8guN4/w811-h539-no/DSC_6206.JPG)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Rembrant on March 05, 2014, 04:25:16 AM
Great thread! I only just read it all this morning.

I've rebuilt quite a few crashed bikes, so I find this one quite interesting. You can make good money on them...as long as you don't consider your labor in $$$...lol.

Good stuff. I'm subscribed;).

Cory
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: st2sam on March 05, 2014, 06:14:48 AM
Thanks for the update Alex, so far so good. :thumbs:


(A ride report when your rebuild is finished would be icing on the cake.)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on March 05, 2014, 10:42:38 AM
Once you factor in your time, and your friends time it's not about making money. We just do it for the fun of it…

Well, a trip to Europe right now is on hold. My now ex-girlfriend changed her mind about a few things. So, my next trip will be picking up my Ural 650 from never-to-be-in-laws garage and getting it back to Atlanta. After that some sort of trip on the Connie.

I will post up more pics and any trip details after she is done.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: gPink on March 05, 2014, 11:35:32 AM
Once you factor in your time, and your friends time it's not about making money. We just do it for the fun of it…

Well, a trip to Europe right now is on hold. My now ex-girlfriend changed her mind about a few things. So, my next trip will be picking up my Ural 650 from never-to-be-in-laws garage and getting it back to Atlanta. After that some sort of trip on the Connie.

I will post up more pics and any trip details after she is done.
The bike or the ex?
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: gPink on March 05, 2014, 12:40:09 PM
Damn, life's tough Alex. Good luck.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on March 05, 2014, 12:47:50 PM
Damn, life's tough Alex. Good luck.

Not bad at all, mate… I have my bikes, new trips ahead, and new women to chase )) Just need to find a good used right side lower panel, and a bag locking mechanism for the C14  8)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: mike-s4 on March 05, 2014, 07:09:45 PM
Cheer up Alex........
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: stevewfl on March 05, 2014, 09:48:56 PM
Cheer up Alex........

Hope you don't mind, i stole'd that truthful illustration  ;D
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: mike-s4 on March 06, 2014, 02:52:34 PM
Hope you don't mind, i stole'd that truthful illustration  ;D
   

Spread the word.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Gsun on March 06, 2014, 07:23:24 PM
I stole it too! Already sending it out. May make a sticker out of it.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: mike-s4 on March 14, 2014, 07:29:18 AM
Here's an oldie but goodie.......
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: GTRrob on April 04, 2014, 10:24:25 PM
What do you think?
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on April 04, 2014, 10:35:19 PM
Send you a PM
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Racer Boy on April 04, 2014, 11:06:25 PM
Not to go off topic, but what kind of Formula Ford was that? It looked vintage. I raced a buddy's Winkleman WDF-1 years ago.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on April 05, 2014, 11:43:28 AM
Not to go off topic, but what kind of Formula Ford was that? It looked vintage. I raced a buddy's Winkleman WDF-1 years ago.

Its a Caldwell D9, needs to be rebuild. I think its from the 70's… I am not much of a car guy, my buddy is
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Racer Boy on April 05, 2014, 12:16:25 PM
Cool! Thanks for the information. That car is from the late 60's or early '70s. Very vintage indeed!
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: firehawk618 on April 08, 2014, 10:44:01 PM
Good work on the bike.

About the right fork having different oil than the left fork.  Perhaps one of the times it was wrecked one of them was replaced....??

Just a thought.  It's the only way I can see that making any sense.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on April 09, 2014, 06:56:14 AM
Good work on the bike.

About the right fork having different oil than the left fork.  Perhaps one of the times it was wrecked one of them was replaced....??

Just a thought.  It's the only way I can see that making any sense.

That makes sense. Front end is all sorted out and checked.

Just bought a missing lower fairing from one of the forum locals, ordered a few small bits of ebay and bike should be ready for spring / summer commute.

Will post pics when completed.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on June 09, 2014, 11:06:22 PM
Well, after procrastinating a good bit the bike is now road worthy. Tagged titled and did it's first trip to the mountains. Everything is tracking straight. Still need new tires for a piece of mind, and to put the electric windshield motor once i find one. Still have some scuffs on plastic, but its now a solid bike and running like a champ. Will take some pics sooner then later. Overall mission is a success. Thanks for all the help and support.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Racer Boy on June 09, 2014, 11:36:39 PM
That is great news! Good job, it was interesting following along.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: martin_14 on June 10, 2014, 03:20:48 AM
That is great news! Good job, it was interesting following along.

+1
now... pics?
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: jwh20 on June 10, 2014, 07:53:40 AM
Fascinating thread!!  Looking forward to seeing a completed restoration and rescuing this bike from the junkyard!
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Rhino on June 10, 2014, 08:01:29 AM
Cheer up Alex........

(http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15800.0;attach=19328;image)

 :rotflmao: It's funny because it's true.  Homer Simpson
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: stevewfl on June 10, 2014, 08:28:23 AM
Well, after procrastinating a good bit the bike is now road worthy. Tagged titled and did it's first trip to the mountains. Everything is tracking straight. Still need new tires for a piece of mind, and to put the electric windshield motor once i find one. Still have some scuffs on plastic, but its now a solid bike and running like a champ. Will take some pics sooner then later. Overall mission is a success. Thanks for all the help and support.



PICS!?
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: jonathan on June 10, 2014, 09:09:35 AM
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Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Gsun on June 10, 2014, 07:22:49 PM
Congrats!  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on June 11, 2014, 07:37:18 AM
Sorry, no proper pics yet. Just this one from my morning commute downtown ATL

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Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Rhino on June 11, 2014, 08:38:08 AM
Sweet! Great job!
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: VirginiaJim on June 11, 2014, 04:24:05 PM
Tis the sweetest of all the colors!
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: martin_14 on June 11, 2014, 11:31:01 PM
Tis the sweetest of all the colors!

until you look upon it...  ;)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on June 24, 2014, 07:18:14 PM
So, after daily riding the 14 to work for last few weeks and putting maybe 700 miles on it... everything is working top. I am actually impressed with the bike. I had a fear that I will not get along with it. I am #160 and I never was fond of my FJR. For whatever reason I like the 14. Sure keeping her around for lots of commuter and touring miles.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: gPink on June 24, 2014, 07:33:11 PM
Alex, after all that work to bring it back I sure hope you can enjoy it for awhile.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on June 24, 2014, 07:38:43 PM
Alex, after all that work to bring it back I sure hope you can enjoy it for awhile.

Oh, I am planning to ride the **** out of the bike... I am surprised how good it is. I expected much worse. This bike rocks
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: martin_14 on June 24, 2014, 11:01:07 PM
Oh, I am planning to ride the **** out of the bike... I am surprised how good it is. I expected much worse. This bike rocks

you might have already mentioned this, but what tires are you using? they tend to transform this bike (and most other vehicles, too)...
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on June 25, 2014, 07:40:37 AM
you might have already mentioned this, but what tires are you using? they tend to transform this bike (and most other vehicles, too)...

Currently is what bike came with... Missmatched and cupped B-Stone / Michelin combo... Actually going to throw a new B-Stone 023 on it today. It will just make the bike even better. Like I said, I am impressed on how this one rides.... I had over 50 bikes in the past years
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: gPink on June 25, 2014, 08:08:41 AM
Currently is what bike came with... Missmatched and cupped B-Stone / Michelin combo... Actually going to throw a new B-Stone 023 on it today. It will just make the bike even better. Like I said, I am impressed on how this one rides.... I had over 50 bikes in the past years
NOOOoooooo!
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on June 25, 2014, 08:14:27 AM
I just want to burn up the front which is good, and then go with a new set. Rear is completely toast. Probably will put Angels GT's once B-Stones are done
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: gPink on June 25, 2014, 08:18:02 AM
Stone on the rear is tolerable, on the front it's a sacrilege.  ;)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on June 25, 2014, 10:09:36 AM
I actually don't mind the front as it is now. But I don't have anything else on that bike to compare with. Rear was shot from the get go. So a new tire was a must
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: maxtog on June 25, 2014, 04:43:22 PM
I actually don't mind the front as it is now. But I don't have anything else on that bike to compare with.

Well, I can only compare to the PR4GT, and it is a very significant positive difference...
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on June 26, 2014, 09:58:59 PM
Absolutely nothing bad to say about B-Stones 023's... Bike is fantastic
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: AlbertaDoug on July 14, 2014, 10:14:20 PM
Good read Alex glad you like the fruits of your labour. Brings back fond memories of my rebuild.  Then the first ride after it's all back together  8)
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on October 18, 2014, 03:24:28 PM
Few pics to wrap up this thread ))

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Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: gPink on October 18, 2014, 03:34:00 PM
Cool pics Alex. Still liking the c14?
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on October 18, 2014, 05:28:23 PM
Yeah, still digging the bike. Want to get a Tiger 800 next, but probably keep the C-14
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Gsun on October 18, 2014, 07:21:07 PM
Yeah, still digging the bike. Want to get a Tiger 800 next, but probably keep the C-14

Are you a mind reader? Exactly what I was thinking!
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on October 18, 2014, 08:10:44 PM
Are you a mind reader? Exactly what I was thinking!

Never ridden one, just sat on one at a bike show... and after reading reviews it may be the next one in the stable
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: tomp on October 18, 2014, 08:38:05 PM
FWIW, I sell Triumphs, and The Tiger 800's are really cool rides.  DO an XC, if you spend most time off pavement, otherwise, the std Tiger is the one to have.  A roadster, with a real attitude is what you will have.  ENJOY,  tomp

I sell BMW F700 and 800 GS's, too, but the Tiger triple is more fun.   tp
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on October 18, 2014, 08:45:47 PM
FWIW, I sell Triumphs, and The Tiger 800's are really cool rides.  DO an XC, if you spend most time off pavement, otherwise, the std Tiger is the one to have.  A roadster, with a real attitude is what you will have.  ENJOY,  tomp

I sell BMW F700 and 800 GS's, too, but the Tiger triple is more fun.   tp

How difficult is to convert a regular 800 to a XC? I see better deals on regular 800's more often, but I really want a XC
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: tomp on October 18, 2014, 09:11:26 PM
How difficult is to convert a regular 800 to a XC? I see better deals on regular 800's more often, but I really want a XC

IMHO, not worth the money to do so..  Gotta change suspension, wheels hubs, etc,   Seriously, unless you are going to spend most of your time off pavement, the XC isn't actually an improvement on pavement. 

14's are available now, and deals may be made available, but with the '15 Tigers, we have no pricing yet. So if you really want a Tiger, grab one now, either version.  I feel sure the prices will only rise.  Only the Speed and Street Triples stayed close to '14's prices.  All others went up $100-500, when on the floor of your dealer.  Just decide what fits your riding requirements and go with that.  tp   Hope that helps.  tp
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on October 22, 2014, 06:44:08 PM
Thanks for the info. As you may notice from this thread, I am too cheap to buy a new bike ))
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: gPink on October 22, 2014, 06:46:39 PM
Toys are more fun when they're paid for.
Title: Re: Rebuilding a C14
Post by: Alex_V on October 22, 2014, 06:56:15 PM
I never financed a bike. Had probably over 50 in the last 18 years. A lot less headaches this way ))