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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Riverdawg on November 23, 2012, 07:02:56 PM

Title: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: Riverdawg on November 23, 2012, 07:02:56 PM
Can I get some owner feedback on these two companies and their bars? Bought MCE, comments posted further down
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: Gumby on November 23, 2012, 07:09:23 PM
MCE canyon cages are the ticket.....

I just looked at the Bygdawg site. Those are MCE bars. They must be a distributor.

Don't get those elephant ear lookin things though. Go with the cages, and mount some highway pegs on'm.  :thumbs:

They come in handy when you get a flat that can't be plugged.
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/2012%20ride/AEEA9F97-F08F-43E5-B028-6CE191DB0057-5446-000005711CB2B8AB.jpg)
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: sherob on November 23, 2012, 08:34:07 PM
I know BygDawg... Jay makes his own stuff.  He has been making those bars for the ST1300 for a long time now.
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: maxtog on November 23, 2012, 09:52:40 PM
I know BygDawg... Jay makes his own stuff.

Then please tell him to correct his website where he has "Concourse" all over it.  Of course, there is no "course" in Concours!
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: DGOLD on November 23, 2012, 10:16:28 PM
I have the regular MCE bathroom bars and when I had my deer strike the left bar took the brunt of the force. I am certain it saved my leg a load of pain!
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: sherob on November 23, 2012, 10:18:18 PM
Then please tell him to correct his website where he has "Concourse" all over it.  Of course, there is no "course" in Concours!

Since he owns and rides a C14, I'm sure he knows that already.
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: Rhino on November 24, 2012, 07:14:10 AM
I've had both the MCE bathroom bars and now the Canyon Cage. No experience with bygdawg. But hated the bathroom bars and LOVE the canyon cages. Looks MUCH better and really like having highway pegs.
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: Elfmaze on November 24, 2012, 09:00:15 AM
I love my bathroom bars.  Space to mount lights nice and wide,  and they will hold the bike strong in a tip over preventin gany possible mirror damage.  My goal was MAX protection and I got it! 

Also is nice to rest my foot on the bars durring long hauls on the road, And I mounted a maglight holder so I have light and a "big ass flashlight" just in case.   
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: Dalroo on November 25, 2012, 06:02:20 PM
Canyon Cages!
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: just gone on November 30, 2012, 11:06:16 PM
The website (http://www.bygdawg.com/bars-1400.html) I saw said that the "solid" bars for the Concours(e) are coming soon. It said the same thing two years ago when I was doing pre-farkle research pre-c14 purchase.

I know BygDawg... Jay makes his own stuff.  He has been making those bars for the ST1300 for a long time now.


Hmmmm..
I just checked his profile here (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?action=profile;u=415) and it said that he'd never been active.
Maybe he just hasn't been active since the big data loss. sherob, maybe you should give your buddy Jay a call and tell him to check in here and give us the low down on what's what. I like MCE, but fair is fair, if Jay has a different (better?) product, we would love to hear about it.
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: sherob on December 01, 2012, 10:12:56 AM
I pinged him just now... hopefully he'll drop by soon....  ;)
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: bygdawg on December 03, 2012, 08:17:31 AM
Hey guys. Sorry for the delay. I don't frequent this site all that much. I do offer the front and rears as a package. Price is $700 shipped. You can get most all of the information here: www.bygdawg.com (http://www.bygdawg.com)  Also, you can email me from my webpage. Thanks for looking.

Ride Safe,
bygdawg
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: RyanMCEnterprises on December 03, 2012, 03:28:38 PM
Hey guys. I just wanted to poke my head in and say hey. I still stop by quite often so if any of you guys have questions regarding our Concours guards (the law enforcement version or the Canyon Cage) don't hesitate to ask me here, call me at the office, or drop me an email!
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: FireIdiot on December 04, 2012, 10:29:17 PM
I have the bigger set of MCE bars. On Sunday I tested them. While making a U-Turn with the wife on the back she leaned while we were turning and over we went. I couldn't have been doing more than 5MPH, but they completly saved the bike. There are 2 quarter sized marks on the bars. I had just said 2 days before that I was going to remove them. I am not a fan of the looks, but they have completely saved the plastic. Best money I ever spent.

Oh and BTW, they are staying on the bike since they just paid for themselves.
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: FireIdiot on December 04, 2012, 10:35:19 PM
I've had both the MCE bathroom bars and now the Canyon Cage. No experience with bygdawg. But hated the bathroom bars and LOVE the canyon cages. Looks MUCH better and really like having highway pegs.

Do the Canyon Cages use the same mounting loaction that the big bars did on the engine mount? Also, do the Canyon Cages offer as much fall over protection as the bigger ones?
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: maxtog on December 05, 2012, 05:49:14 AM
Do the Canyon Cages use the same mounting loaction that the big bars did on the engine mount?

They share two attachment points, but add another

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Also, do the Canyon Cages offer as much fall over protection as the bigger ones?

No they don't.  At low speed, like your fallover, it is probably similar.  But as fall-over speed increases, the changes it will roll over the cage and smash the mirrors increases.
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: RyanMCEnterprises on December 05, 2012, 08:22:31 AM
They share two attachment points, but add another

No they don't.  At low speed, like your fallover, it is probably similar.  But as fall-over speed increases, the changes it will roll over the cage and smash the mirrors increases.

Both of these points are correct. At no-to-low speeds, the Canyon Cages protect the bike the same way the Law Enforcement guards do. The only time there's a difference is higher speed wrecks, generally when another vehicle/animal/etc. is involved where there's enough force for the bike to rock over the initial hit point which is rather difficult to do (however it is possible).
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: Necron99 on December 05, 2012, 08:41:07 AM
Hey guys. Sorry for the delay. I don't frequent this site all that much. I do offer the front and rears as a package. Price is $700 shipped. You can get most all of the information here: www.bygdawg.com (http://www.bygdawg.com)  Also, you can email me from my webpage. Thanks for looking.

Ride Safe,
bygdawg

I'd offer the friendly suggestion to update your website, in that case.
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: Dalroo on December 05, 2012, 08:41:30 AM
Ryan, correct me if I am wrong, but the only two sets I've seen delivered in "raw" were Necron and mine. For those who have forgotten, we had ours powder coated to match the Neptune Blue and they turned out flawlessly! It is a great look and several folks have commented that they look OEM. I think the Reds (9 and 12) and the 13 blue would also look great color matched.

A friend of mine is a powder coater and did these for $90 a set (front and rear), but I bet this could be done by others for a similar price.
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: Son of Pappy on December 05, 2012, 09:36:44 AM
Mine are raw and as of yet unmounted.  Been too busy with other projects.  Once things calm down I'll be doing my own prep and paint, I'm wanting to color match and knowing once I have these on they will be seeing some actual use I want something easy to touch up.  I may even just keep them in the raw.
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: RyanMCEnterprises on December 05, 2012, 10:34:52 AM
Ryan, correct me if I am wrong, but the only two sets I've seen delivered in "raw" were Necron and mine. For those who have forgotten, we had ours powder coated to match the Neptune Blue and they turned out flawlessly! It is a great look and several folks have commented that they look OEM. I think the Reds (9 and 12) and the 13 blue would also look great color matched.

A friend of mine is a powder coater and did these for $90 a set (front and rear), but I bet this could be done by others for a similar price.

You two were the only ones to get a raw set during the Group Buy, I believe. However, we have sold other raw sets in the past as well. Not very many of them, though. I'd say only 4 or 5 sets have gone out raw in our history of making the Connie, ST1300, and FJR accessories.

They do look spectacular, though. It doesn't surprise me that you guys have gotten tons of compliments. The bars themselves look great in my opinion and getting them color matched makes them that much better!

Mine are raw and as of yet unmounted.  Been too busy with other projects.  Once things calm down I'll be doing my own prep and paint, I'm wanting to color match and knowing once I have these on they will be seeing some actual use I want something easy to touch up.  I may even just keep them in the raw.

Oh man! Hopefully you get them installed before, God forbid, something happens and the bike goes over. I hope I didn't just jinx you, though... :-X
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: Son of Pappy on December 05, 2012, 12:13:45 PM
Gotta be riding it for that to happen, been busy with the GS and the YZ as of late.
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: RyanMCEnterprises on December 05, 2012, 12:24:14 PM
Gotta be riding it for that to happen, been busy with the GS and the YZ as of late.

Ahhh, good call!
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: Riverdawg on December 05, 2012, 12:55:14 PM
Went with MCE canyon cages and bag bars. Ordered direct from MCE with Ryan handling the sale. Shipping was prompt and bars were well packaged. The fit and finish is very good. The bars are sturdy and probably stronger than the mounting points.
One note-the instructions suggest a breaker bar for removing the two forward socket head cap motor mount screws as they are installed with threadlock compound. If you attempt to remove these screws, make sure you have a top quality hex socket. Those babies were super tight and I had to clean out the threadlock compound from the engine to get the new screws to thread in easily.

Another note- the service manual recommends replacing these screws after they have been removed. I wonder if this is because of the the thread lock compound or that Kaw feels these screws a stretched during installation.  (44FT/LBs.) I've read comments about retorqueing the  motor mounts and nothing about replacing screws. Anyway, put blue Loctite on screws MCE supplies and torqued. Hope the gremlin bell works.
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: RyanMCEnterprises on December 05, 2012, 03:22:01 PM
Another note- the service manual recommends replacing these screws after they have been removed. I wonder if this is because of the the thread lock compound or that Kaw feels these screws a stretched during installation.  (44FT/LBs.) I've read comments about retorqueing the  motor mounts and nothing about replacing screws. Anyway, put blue Loctite on screws MCE supplies and torqued. Hope the gremlin bell works.

I believe the service manual calls for you to replace the hardware because of its grade. It's lower grade hardware that isn't meant to be torqued that high repeatedly, if I remember correctly. However, the hardware we supply (that replaces the stock bolts) are extremely high grade, expensive hardware that can handle being torqued repeatedly to the proper specs. That way, you can remove the guards for maintenance without having to continually replace hardware when you reinstall the guard.
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: Riverdawg on December 06, 2012, 06:18:18 PM
Thanks for the all the replies to my question and your follow up Ryan. You and MCE have my recommendation.
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: RyanMCEnterprises on December 06, 2012, 06:37:09 PM
Thanks for the all the replies to my question and your follow up Ryan. You and MCE have my recommendation.

No problem and thank you very much! I appreciate that!
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: Rhino on December 07, 2012, 08:32:33 AM
Ryan, correct me if I am wrong, but the only two sets I've seen delivered in "raw" were Necron and mine. For those who have forgotten, we had ours powder coated to match the Neptune Blue and they turned out flawlessly! It is a great look and several folks have commented that they look OEM. I think the Reds (9 and 12) and the 13 blue would also look great color matched.

A friend of mine is a powder coater and did these for $90 a set (front and rear), but I bet this could be done by others for a similar price.

Do you have pictures? I'd love to see what that looks like.
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: RyanMCEnterprises on December 09, 2012, 06:26:22 PM
Do you have pictures? I'd love to see what that looks like.

Of the color matched bars, you mean? I know they're around the forum here somewhere. I'll try and find them for you! I think they're on the "Show Us Your Canyon Cage" thread from a while back, though. If I can find them, I'll repost them here for you.
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: gPink on December 09, 2012, 07:11:42 PM
Of the color matched bars, you mean? I know they're around the forum here somewhere. I'll try and find them for you! I think they're on the "Show Us Your Canyon Cage" thread from a while back, though. If I can find them, I'll repost them here for you.
Somewhere around page 15-17 maybe.
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: Rhino on December 10, 2012, 08:35:00 AM
Yes I meant a pic of the colored matched canyon cage.

I did find this pic on page 17 of the "show us your canyon cage" thread but would like to see a more complete picture.


(http://home.armourarchive.org/members/morgan/connie/canyonbars/cap.jpg)
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: gPink on December 10, 2012, 08:37:35 AM
Rhino, the full bike pics should be close to that one.

Reply 130 page 9
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: Dalroo on December 10, 2012, 08:57:05 AM
Sorry, was out of pocket for a couple of days and saw the request for pics of color matched. I don't have a good one with me at the moment, but will get one and post. Also, there are a few of the other thread.

Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: Rhino on December 10, 2012, 09:09:38 AM
Rhino, the full bike pics should be close to that one.

Reply 130 page 9

Got it! Thanks! Exactly what I was looking for.
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: Dalroo on December 10, 2012, 01:22:56 PM
Here is the link to the pages with photos - http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=9353.120 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=9353.120)
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: RyanMCEnterprises on December 10, 2012, 02:07:59 PM
Here is the link to the pages with photos - http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=9353.120 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=9353.120)

Man, I forgot how awesome those color-matched bars look! Great job by your powder coaters to match that paint!
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: just gone on December 12, 2012, 10:37:05 AM
Great job by your powder coaters to match that paint!

Yeah, he (Kevin Ayers) does/did good work (http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-W5SZGjp/0/X3/i-W5SZGjp-X3.jpg)!
Unfortunately, I believe he has quit the business. His website is down (http://www.ayersgarage.com/) and the Two Wheeled Texans forum talk (http://www.twtex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69539) is that he quit.  :'(  :(  :'(
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: RyanMCEnterprises on December 12, 2012, 11:01:14 AM
Yeah, he (Kevin Ayers) does/did good work (http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-W5SZGjp/0/X3/i-W5SZGjp-X3.jpg)!
Unfortunately, I believe he has quit the business. His website is down (http://www.ayersgarage.com/) and the Two Wheeled Texans forum talk (http://www.twtex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69539) is that he quit.  :'(  :(  :'(

Awwww, man. That is truly unfortunate. Do you know if he was forced out of the business (went bankrupt, too far in debt, etc.) or merely decided to quit and sold the business?
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: Dalroo on December 12, 2012, 03:42:23 PM
Kevin is a great guy, and the powdercoating business was part-time as he is a full-time firefighter. It is my understanding from others that the pc biz was consuming too much time, and the frustrations dealing with clients who wanted to haggle over price instead of quality just became not worth the hassle. Too bad because his work was/is phenomenal. When I used him, I never even considered shopping the price because his reputation was so good.

I will pay a few bucks more for perfection, but that is just me.
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: just gone on December 12, 2012, 04:01:33 PM
Awwww, man. That is truly unfortunate. Do you know if he was forced out of the business (went bankrupt, too far in debt, etc.) or merely decided to quit and sold the business?

I only know what was said on the TWT forum, it seems only one person actually talked to him there. There maybe other forums that have more info but I'm not on those. Here is a blog or something (http://kneeknockertruck.blogspot.com/) but no recent updates. The Facebook page appears stripped of info. I always thought he was too much of a perfectionist, he would strip his work down and redo it for minor stuff, hard to complain about that though as a customer. I'm not going to bother him until I have more work to be done, then I'll give him a call just to be sure that he's finished with it. Hopefully it's just a temporary hiatus. He did some pannier's for me (http://www.twtex.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1017781&postcount=1) that held up well even though I tried to scrape and mash them out in Big Bend.
 (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/i-N8jsQ6z/0/X3/i-N8jsQ6z-X3.jpg)
Time will tell I guess.

Kevin is a great guy...
+1  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: RyanMCEnterprises on December 13, 2012, 02:52:04 PM
Oh man! Well, that really is a shame. Hopefully you guys can find someone who does comparable work. I know exactly what you mean about paying for quality though. You wouldn't believe how many people try to haggle on prices with us when we're already giving them a great deal or discount. Quality isn't cheap!
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: ZG on December 13, 2012, 04:04:43 PM
You wouldn't believe how many people try to haggle on prices with us when we're already giving them a great deal or discount.

They're probably from that other forum... Nothing but longest lasting tires and best gas mileage threads over there...  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Thinking about getting tip over protection-MCE or Bygdawg?
Post by: Cuda on December 13, 2012, 06:43:21 PM
These SHOULD come as standard equipment on this 700lb monster.