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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: elp_jc on January 28, 2015, 03:54:05 AM

Title: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on January 28, 2015, 03:54:05 AM
Hey gang, it's super late, but want your input on a couple of issues. And have some comments.

1. When starting bike for the first time (60ºF), no fast-idle at all. Engine stalled the first time. It started the second, but barely held on at around 700 rpm. Once hot, idle was too high, so adjusted it at a restaurant nearby. When I got out, no fast-idle either (around 900 rpm). Now I removed the battery to install a battery charger pigtail, but does disconnecting the battery have anything to do with that? At what rpm do older C14s fast-idle at? By the way, throttle had waaay too much free play, so adjusted it properly. But doubt it has anything to do with fast-idle IMO.

2. I think now I know why 2015s weigh 2 more pounds. They all have a charcoal canister. Check out the pic of my tank, and please let me know if older bikes have those hoses. Also took pic of vacuum routing under the seat.

3. Where the heck do you guys put your owner's manual? Read that there was a lot of space under the seat, but there's NONE on my bike. I also have to say it's a PITA to install the seat. There're 2 'hooks' in the middle of the seat that are very hard to push under that stupid bar. And worst of all, that bar (with a harness inside) is not closed off where the hooks go, so they just grab in the middle, and the seat is bowed in the middle, and the rear is very hard to latch. Didn't figure it out until I flattened the rear plate, and couldn't install it. Had to bend it again, but it was bent too much before, so now it's perfect. But still a PITA, since you basically have to bend the seat in the middle to latch those middle bars, then insert the rear tab in its place. Maybe the seat wasn't installed properly when I rode the bike, since I couldn't reach the ground nearly as good as when I tried the black 2015 at the other dealer. We'll see tomorrow.

4. Want to order the CopperDawg sport screen right away, but there's no paint code anywhere on the bike. Pat guessed the color was 'Candy Lime Green' (used on 2012 ZX10, I think), and that's exactly what the Kawasaki site says. Is it safe to assume that's the right color? Don't want to order the screen and the wrong color shows up. Maybe some of you know where the paint code is (it's not on the VIN label).

5. Has anybody installed LED turn-signals on your Connie without having to pierce/splice the factory wiring for a load-resistor? I'd like to do at least the rear (LED tail/brake light already), but would like all 4 if possible.

That's it for now folks. I attached a few pics of my fully debadged/destickered/dereflectorized bike, for proof it's mine ;D.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: gPink on January 28, 2015, 04:46:11 AM
jc, congrats on the bike. I've got my warm idle set at about 1100-1200 rpm.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Conrad on January 28, 2015, 04:53:31 AM
Hey gang, it's super late, but want your input on a couple of issues. And have some comments.

1. When starting bike for the first time (60ºF), no fast-idle at all. Engine stalled the first time. It started the second, but barely held on at around 700 rpm. Once hot, idle was too high, so adjusted it at a restaurant nearby. When I got out, no fast-idle either (around 900 rpm). Now I removed the battery to install a battery charger pigtail, but does disconnecting the battery have anything to do with that? At what rpm do older C14s fast-idle at? By the way, throttle had waaay too much free play, so adjusted it properly. But doubt it has anything to do with fast-idle IMO.

2. I think now I know why 2015s weigh 2 more pounds. They all have a charcoal canister. Check out the pic of my tank, and please let me know if older bikes have those hoses. Also took pic of vacuum routing under the seat.

3. Where the heck do you guys put your owner's manual? Read that there was a lot of space under the seat, but there's NONE on my bike. I also have to say it's a PITA to install the seat. There're 2 'hooks' in the middle of the seat that are very hard to push under that stupid bar. And worst of all, that bar (with a harness inside) is not closed off where the hooks go, so they just grab in the middle, and the seat is bowed in the middle, and the rear is very hard to latch. Didn't figure it out until I flattened the rear plate, and couldn't install it. Had to bend it again, but it was bent too much before, so now it's perfect. But still a PITA, since you basically have to bend the seat in the middle to latch those middle bars, then insert the rear tab in its place. Maybe the seat wasn't installed properly when I rode the bike, since I couldn't reach the ground nearly as good as when I tried the black 2015 at the other dealer. We'll see tomorrow.

4. Want to order the CopperDawg sport screen right away, but there's no paint code anywhere on the bike. Pat guessed the color was 'Candy Lime Green' (used on 2012 ZX10, I think), and that's exactly what the Kawasaki site says. Is it safe to assume that's the right color? Don't want to order the screen and the wrong color shows up. Maybe some of you know where the paint code is (it's not on the VIN label).

5. Has anybody installed LED turn-signals on your Connie without having to pierce/splice the factory wiring for a load-resistor? I'd like to do at least the rear (LED tail/brake light already), but would like all 4 if possible.

That's it for now folks. I attached a few pics of my fully debadged/destickered/dereflectorized bike, for proof it's mine ;D.

1, On my bike I'm pretty sure that the fast idle wouldn't kick in at 60ºF and I have no idea what's going on with your bike and the problems you had starting it.

2, My '08 doesn't have any of those vac hoses. Any chance that your bike might have been intended to be sold in California?

3, I don't keep the owner's manual on my bike but if I did I'd keep it in one of the bags. If the seat is new or hasn't been installed on the bike for a while it's harder to get it to go into the correct position when installing it. 
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 28, 2015, 05:14:21 AM
If it was bought in a neighboring state to CA then it could be why the charcoal canister and assorted extra vac hoses are on it.  CA equipped bikes typically do not cause any issues with performance or idle speed.  Where was it bought?  As far as the idle goes, these bikes typically have it set too low.  Most of us find that bumping the idle up (warm bike) to around 1150/1200 is the sweet spot for it.  Mine wasn't adjusted correctly when I bought it and once set hasn't changed in 7.5 years.  A battery that isn't charged enough or a battery that isn't 'good' can cause weird electrical problems in these bikes.  I would take it back to the dealer and get it sorted if you can't get the idle correct.  The picture of the rear of the fuel tank is indicative of a CA bike with a charcoal canister.  Disconnecting the battery and reconnecting it shouldn't affect anything.  It's hard to say what's wrong with the idle as too tight throttle cables can cause issues.  Incorrect adjustment of idle speed can cause issues as you may be masking something that's not quite right.  I really would get a dealer to look at it as they may have to contact Kwackers to get it sorted.  This is a new model bike that's just hit the showroom floor and it's possible that the dealer prep wasn't done correctly as well or it's something that went out the factory door not quite right.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: st2sam on January 28, 2015, 05:25:36 AM
1 - set your fully warmed idle at 1100rpm.
My bike doesn't idle much faster when cold but doesn't stall.
After your bike is fully broke in you'll have to reduce your idle speed. (I did)

2 - Not sure, but I would say your bike is Cali. model?

3 - No space under my seat. Yes the seat is a pain to install correctly, it's just the nature of the beast.
     When reinstalling my seat I put my weight on my forearm in the middle of the seat as I'm pushing forward. (you'll hear a click when latched)

4 - Mother Kaw likes to recycle color every few years, the 2015 black is the same as my 2009.
     A very good chance it's the same color as you stated, the 2012 ZX14. color.
     (however IMO there is a paint code somewhere)

5 - I can't help here but Kawasaki is light years behind on the wiring. My 2009 is wrapped together with electrical tape, looks like a dogs breakfast. (but works fine)
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Conrad on January 28, 2015, 05:28:32 AM
I wonder if dealers these days are still installing the battery backwards? The positive terminal should be facing out. Not that this has anything to do with the OP issues, I was just wondering. 
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 28, 2015, 05:30:11 AM
I had the same thought...
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: maxtog on January 28, 2015, 05:45:58 AM
Congratulations!  Looks like everyone answered your questions already.  I will add confirmation that it is probably a CA model, yes the seat is hard to get on/off (and my Sargent one is even worse to get on/off), I store the manual in the right pannier, have never even once had mine cut off/stall when starting but many people have to adjust idle speed initially, and finally,  replacement LED bulbs are not bright enough so I have not switched to them- I recommend adding *additional* lights on the rear, like an Admore light bar.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: AlbertaDoug on January 28, 2015, 05:56:54 AM
Congrats on the 2015, glad to hear you pulled the trigger.
Enjoy the new toy.

Try and engage the ECO mode for your high idle, quick fix.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Scaffolder on January 28, 2015, 06:50:25 AM
Good point. Out of 3 new Concours' I've bought 2 had backwards batteries.


I wonder if dealers these days are still installing the battery backwards? The positive terminal should be facing out. Not that this has anything to do with the OP issues, I was just wondering.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Scaffolder on January 28, 2015, 06:53:51 AM
Congrats on the new bike. I can't wait to give one a ride. Some say the changes are small, but could all be good changes.
There is a small tool pouch under the seat with cheap tools. I don't think many people carry the manuals on their bikes.
Enjoy.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Deziner on January 28, 2015, 07:15:22 AM
It will take a bit for the FOB to correct all of the issues on your bike, but after it does...... PERFECTION!
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on January 28, 2015, 02:04:54 PM
Thank you for all the comment guys. First, bike is NOT supposed to be a CA; was bought in NM from their allocation. Due to new emissions requirements, all 2015s apparently have that CA crap now (just like the cars). Oh well. And I said that separately. I know it has nothing to do with the fast-idle problem.

Will try setting the TPS and see what happens. If no fast-idle, will also try setting the ECO mode and see if that makes a difference. Maybe the bike stalled since it was the first time it started, and there was air in the fuel lines, or something.

The battery was installed fine, but it's removed now due to installing a battery charger pigtail. Tech rounded one of the metal battery cover bolts, and all 3 grommets were all messed up. Cleaned all that up. Oh, and '-' cable was barely tight. And '+' just a hair more. After I'm done, it'll be the better test. I'll report results.

Thank you for the rest of the comments. Good to know the seat is not easy to latch in the middle. I'm using exactly the same method described, of resting my weight with the forearm in the middle of the seat while pushing forward, then latching the rear. Hope that was the reason bike sat higher than I remembered. Need to check that the suspension settings are the default ones, so I can adjust from there if needed.

Hey, have some 'plugs' missing (pic attached). Do other bikes have them? Told dealer I want them ordered, along with the stripped bolt for the battery cover.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: maxtog on January 28, 2015, 03:01:15 PM
The battery was installed fine, but it's removed now due to installing a battery charger pigtail. Tech rounded one of the metal battery cover bolts, and all 3 grommets were all messed up. Cleaned all that up. Oh, and '-' cable was barely tight. And '+' just a hair more. After I'm done, it'll be the better test. I'll report results.

Yep, it is amazing how much the dealer flunkies can mess up on the few things they have to do to "prep" a crated bike.  And if your cables were not tight- that is the #1 cause of problems on the C14 with anything to do with starting problems or strange electronics behavior.  The C14 *hates* those connections not being tight.  That probably explains your issue and I bet you have no more problem now.

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Hey, have some 'plugs' missing (pic attached). Do other bikes have them? Told dealer I want them ordered, along with the stripped bolt for the battery cover.

The black bolt covers on the bars are supposed to be there- all six of them.  And they will not just pop off if they are installed properly.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on January 28, 2015, 08:21:51 PM
The C14 *hates* those connections not being tight.  That probably explains your issue and I bet you have no more problem now.
That was the case indeed. Reinstalled battery with all connections tight, fully charged it, set TPS with kill switch in both on and off positions, and it fired up instantly... and at high idle (1,300 rpm). AWESOME! Don't know what did the trick, but I'm a happy guy ;D. Also adjusted the headlights, which were dangerously low (could only see potholes in front of me yesterday). Forgot it had adjusters, but it's better to mess with them when not riding anyway (and that's what I just did now). Ordered CopperDawg screen, but he needs to send me a color sample first due to being the first green he'll make; oh well, will have to be patient with that one. Ordered Throttlemeisters and grip puppies. Will order the TBR black-series as soon as I get an invoice to include their quietest dB insert (P1X). Need to order the PAIR block-off plates too, but need to investigate what's the deal with the EVAP crap my bike now has (like only CA bikes did before), and make sure it's not going to interfere. Couldn't find anywhere how to get to the engine to remove all the PAIR crap. With the P1X insert, might not even need to block them off, and might leave it alone. What really want to find is just the frame for a radiator cover, to install fiberglass screening, rather than the metal crap most have. Don't want both since I suspect airflow issues. With just the screen, never had a single issue, and it gets hot here in TX. That's my update for today. Have a great evening folks.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: maxtog on January 28, 2015, 09:48:29 PM
That was the case indeed. Reinstalled battery with all connections tight, fully charged it, set TPS with kill switch in both on and off positions, and it fired up instantly... and at high idle (1,300 rpm). AWESOME! Don't know what did the trick, but I'm a happy guy ;D.

It was the battery- pretty much always is

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Also adjusted the headlights, which were dangerously low (could only see potholes in front of me yesterday).

Yep, yet another dealer prep "service":

* Round out bolts
* Under or over inflate tires
* Lose one of the fobs
* Scratch the bags
* Point headlights in the ground
* Install battery in the hold backwards
* Neglect to tighten battery terminals
* Sometimes screw with the suspension

There are others, but those are the most common

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Forgot it had adjusters, but it's better to mess with them when not riding anyway (and that's what I just did now).

I will admit to adjusting while riding, but only when going slowly, straight, and alone.  Still not a great idea, though.

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but need to investigate what's the deal with the EVAP crap my bike now has (like only CA bikes did before), and make sure it's not going to interfere.

It won't change the bike in any way other than take up a little space and a little weight.  Personally, I wouldn't worry about it.

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Couldn't find anywhere how to get to the engine to remove all the PAIR crap.

"PAIR"?

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Set tire pressures at 40/42, and seems to be perfect.

Many of us (me included) will recommend 42/42.  But the stock tires are pretty miserable.  Hurry up and wear them out so you can get PR4GT's or something.

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Disabled the flashing 'alarm',

Alarm?

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set the clock, set brake linking to 'solo', and it's ready to go anywhere. What a great machine. Glad I decided to get the Connie instead of the FJR or K1600GT.

Indeed.  Just wait- you will love it a lot more soon.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: VirginiaJim on January 29, 2015, 05:14:08 AM
Thank you for all the comment guys. First, bike is NOT a CA; was bought in NM from their allocation. Due to new emissions requirements, all 2015s apparently have that CA crap now (just like the cars). Oh well. And I said that separately. I know it has nothing to do with the fast-idle problem.

NM is close enough to CA to have the charcoal cannister equipped bikes.  The jury is still out on whether the 15's all have the charcoal canisters.  We'll need to verify that with the someone who buys a 15 on the East coast.  Based on the condition of the bike you received, I don't think I would trust that dealer to give a correct answer concerning how the bikes are equipped or not with emissions stuff.

It's quite amazing to hear about your headlights.  That's been an 'issue' since day one.  Not a biggie to fix but more of an irritation with the dealer setup.  Sorry to hear that the plugs are missing and they should replace those.  Loose battery connections can cause all kinds of grief with this bike.  Glad to hear that was a simple fix.  You may want to check those connections at every oil change.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: connie_rider on January 29, 2015, 08:09:44 AM
I want to hear more about the flashing alarm.
MY 2014 has a light that flashes continuously after I shut the bike down.
I thought I had done something wrong and went to Kawasaki (several shops) to ask about it.
NONE knew the answer, but eventually 1 guy said it was supposed to do that....
Had no reason why it was flashing....

Does anyone know "what" it is indicating?

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: BackInTheSaddle on January 29, 2015, 08:23:59 AM
The blinking dash light on shutdown is explained in the owner's manual as indicating that the "immobilizer" part of KIPASS is working.  Side benefit is that it looks like a security alarm is armed to anyone thinking about boosting your bike.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: B.D.F. on January 29, 2015, 08:32:04 AM
Merely that there is power to the bike (the main battery). It will shut down automatically after 24 hours with the bike untouched. You can also set the bike to not display that light at all.

As someone already said, it is in your owner's manual.

All part of the magnificence that is KiPass and nothing to worry about. In fact, you should be basking in its glow Ted....

Brian

I want to hear more about the flashing alarm.
MY 2014 has a light that flashes continuously after I shut the bike down.
I thought I had done something wrong and went to Kawasaki (several shops) to ask about it.
NONE knew the answer, but eventually 1 guy said it was supposed to do that....
Had no reason why it was flashing....

Does anyone know "what" it is indicating?

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Rembrant on January 29, 2015, 09:17:29 AM
"PAIR"?

PAIR, or SAI (Secondary Air Injection), or AIS (Air Injection System), or whatever everybody else calls it...it has several names.

I think "PAIR" was a Suzuki term originally....for Pulsed Air Injection Reed or something like that?

Kawasaki used to call it the "KLEEN" system way back when...or they still do...Kawasaki Low Emission Exhaust....I forget how it goes...lol.

I dunno...lol.

Rem
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: texrider on January 29, 2015, 11:40:56 AM
Congrats on the '15  :)

Let me know if you'd like to sell your stock muffler, seat, and windscreen  8)
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: just gone on January 29, 2015, 12:27:02 PM
 
Merely that there is power to the bike (the main battery). It will shut down automatically after 24 hours with the bike untouched. You can also set the bike to not display that light at all.

As someone already said, it is in your owner's manual.

I like the red light and I don't understand why anyone would disable it. It may have some security value in that simply by blinking it may discourage someone from messing with it, and hopefully it says" better go mess with a different bike". My favorite feature is when I wander out of the motel with coffee in hand and slippers on feet and see that the rest of the group is all  geared up and ready to go, that red blinking light says my battery is charged and I don't have to quickly beg a jump from them before they take off. If it's blinking, I just do the "I'll catch up later wave" and go back in for that second cup and a quick shower.

As for the California bike thing, it could be that Kawasaki is now shipping all the bikes to California spec, but I purchased mine new (2010 new in the crate as I signed the papers) further east in Texas and it had the California specs as well, so some get sent to other places still in the crates. The extra 2 lbs could be coming from the new catalytic converter, as the canister just doesn't weigh that much. Until you need the space for farkles (cruise control, horn compressor, etc) there is no need nor performance to be gained by removing it. (if/when you do remove it, plug the Green line and filter the Blue line)

For the seat, I make sure that it is well forward in the tank clips by grabbing the rear of the seat and push and wiggle it forward (not hard enough to push it off the centerstand) and then push down on the rear until it clicks in. Sometimes the middle hooks are already "in" and sometimes they just need me to sit on the seat and they pop in place. I really like the ZX14 center pins better and I have a used set that I have yet to install.

I dislike the lack of a handle for the center stand. The passenger grab handle is just too far backward to help; at least in my case.

I maybe wrong in this elp_jc for your personal build (I'm 5'6"), but there is a technique to the center stand that works for most of (all sizes) us. Your right arm grabs the passenger grab rail and remains straight and locked at the elbow. Think not of lifting the bike onto the center stand, but rather pushing the center stand down under the bike, almost all of the pressure (seems like about 90% of the total effort, and my left foot comes off the ground as it happens) should be coming from the ball of your right foot. I have to wear my riding or hiking boots to do it, because tennis shoes just let too much pressure through for me. Yeah, I'm a yankee tenderfoot livin' in Texas.

elp_jc, Congrats on the new bike!
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on January 29, 2015, 11:58:50 PM
MY 2014 has a light that flashes continuously after I shut the bike down.
Hey Ted, PM you on how to disable it if you want :). Also posted that on another thread (thought it was here, but not).

FartyMarty, your method is exactly what I do. I'm 5'10", but only 155#. The problem is the C14 dooesn't have a proper 'grab handle', so Kawi designated the passenger grab bar. But it's too far rearward to help putting enough pressure on the centerstand (you have to be on top of it), and if I grab the pasenger handle I have to move to the right, and can't put enough foot pressure on the stand with my leg sideways. But as I said, it was just a comment. I can put it on the stand just fine, but have to grab under the passenger peg with the bags on. And now that it has no bags (the way I ride most of the time), the bag mount is the perfect handle, so perfect solution for 95%+ of the time. Somebody posted a handy grab handle accessory, but I don' t need it. Otherwise, I'd buy it. Another thing is this bike has to be raised quite a bit more than others. I can put both the GL1800 and BMW K1600GT on their centerstands without much effort at all, and are way heavier. This one requires  more effort, but still can do it just fine. A good incentive to keep this 53-yr-old body in good shape ;D. Thank you for the tips. 
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Jim H on January 30, 2015, 04:17:48 AM
  I noticed it was a little easier also with the 190/55 series to put on the center stand.  I was also comparing that to the 190/50 almost totally worn Angel Gt that was on the bike when I got it.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Conrad on January 30, 2015, 04:52:47 AM
Hey Ted, PM you on how to disable it if you want :). Also posted that on another thread (thought it was here, but not).

FartyMarty, your method is exactly what I do. I'm 5'10", but only 155#. The problem is the C14 dooesn't have a proper 'grab handle', so Kawi designated the passenger grab bar. But it's too far rearward to help putting enough pressure on the centerstand (you have to be on top of it), and if I grab the pasenger handle I have to move to the right, and can't put enough foot pressure on the stand with my leg sideways. But as I said, it was just a comment. I can put it on the stand just fine, but have to grab under the passenger peg with the bags on. And now that it has no bags (the way I ride most of the time), the bag mount is the perfect handle, so perfect solution for 95%+ of the time. Somebody posted a handy grab handle accessory, but I don' t need it. Otherwise, I'd buy it. Another thing is this bike has to be raised quite a bit more than others. I can put both the GL1800 and BMW K1600GT on their centerstands without much effort at all, and are way heavier. This one requires  more effort, but still can do it just fine. A good incentive to keep this 53-yr-old body in good shape ;D. Thank you for the tips.

If ever you decide to install some drop protection on your bike, the MCE rear bars offer a perfect handle to hoist the bike up on to the center stand. You wouldn't want to ride without the bags and have these bars installed though, too fugly! 
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on January 31, 2015, 01:47:48 PM
Few updates. I DO have a CA bike :(, since the 2015 manual still lists the charcoal canister (and its associated vacuum plumbing sticker under the seat) as CA only. And I have the fuel tank plumbing (red and blue hoses), and canister under the right 'glove box' space. Guess we'll have to wait until somebody else buys a 2015 out of CA and we can compare, but so far there's supposed to be a separate CA model. My guess is the warehouse had a surplus of CA bikes and shipped one to my dealer in NM. He got one of the very first ones, so it wasn't a dealer swap or anything like that. It was sent from the Kawasaki warehouse. Build date is 11/14, so I assume they sat there for at least a week or two. No biggie.

Two questions: Which indoor cover would you guys recommend that fit? Looked at the OEM and it's $160, and for outdoor use. Want something just for dust protection. Saw a ton on eBay, many for $17 shipped... which assume are crap. Want the cheapest possible, but NICE; that's why I'm looking for testimonials. And just a dust cover; not the bulky, heavy outdoor type. Thank you.

Finally, does anybody know if there's a way to bypass the automatic windscreen lowering feature on this bike? I rarely raise it, but would like it to stay where I left it after turning ignition OFF, mostly for maintenance issues (removing panels, etc). The FJR1300 had the same 'feature', and disconnecting a lonely pink-wire connector did the trick, with no side effects. Not a big deal either, but if simple, would like to do it. That's all for now. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Jim H on January 31, 2015, 02:25:55 PM
just hit the up or down button when you shut it off.....it will then stay.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on January 31, 2015, 02:57:55 PM
just hit the up or down button when you shut it off.....it will then stay.
That's great news; thanks. So just to be clear, turn ignition OFF, THEN immediately thereafter hit the switch either UP or DOWN, or simultaneously? That way we can work on the bike without having to have the ignition ON all the time, like the manual says to remove the front side fairing pieces, where a push-pin resides under the windscreen. Thanks again.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: connie_rider on January 31, 2015, 03:49:39 PM
Sounds like you just want a cloth over?
I bought mine from Walmart or Cycle Gear and it is for the outside. It is waterproof, Nylon I believe.
This one was the largest they had. I think it would cover a Goldwing if I wanted...
But, it's not all that bulky. It rolls up small enough to easily fit in a Crown Royal Bag.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: twowheeladdict on January 31, 2015, 09:10:02 PM
I saw the '15 green in person yesterday.  The color had a gold metalflake in it which don't remember in my '08 candy lime green KLR. It is good that copperdawg is being cautious.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Conniesaki on January 31, 2015, 10:04:25 PM
For a dust cover I use a good ol' twin fitted sheet we haven't used in a looong time. Ain't she a byoot? The price is right (free).

(http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx321/mr_beeps/IMG_2222a_zpse920ea60.jpg)

(http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx321/mr_beeps/IMG_2217a_zpsa1fbae7e.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on January 31, 2015, 10:22:26 PM
Ted, the cloth covers are heavy and bulky, typically for outdoor use. I just want a thin nylon one, which is what the dust covers are made of... and pack very small indeed. So you don't remember where you bought your cover? Don't want to buy 2 and find out. Ha ha. If I don't get specific info, will end up just buying the largest size, and even if it flops on the ground, I know it'd fit ;D.

Hey twowheeladdict, I think the color is definitely different than the cheaper KLR. CopperDawg said it was used on the 2012 ZX10, I believe, since it was also called 'Candy Lime Green'. But it's a darn tri-coat, and those are a royal b*tch to match, so need to wait for a sample. And due to the different windscreen, will have to spend an extra $60 in parts on top of the not-so-inexpensive sport screen. Oh well. Better be worth it :).

Yesterday I removed all the stuff from the storage compartment to make it fully manual (and fully reversible). No need to remove anything other than the 2 clips and bottom bolt (missing on my bike, but had an aluminum one laying around). And today just replaced the cotter pin on the rear axle with a proper R-clip (pics below). Next week should get all the rest of the crap except the sport screen. And it'll be ready for its first trip, hopefully to Big Bend in late February, to test the ergos and seat 8).
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Conrad on February 01, 2015, 07:05:46 AM
Two questions: Which indoor cover would you guys recommend that fit? Looked at the OEM and it's $160, and for outdoor use. Want something just for dust protection. Saw a ton on eBay, many for $17 shipped... which assume are crap. Want the cheapest possible, but NICE; that's why I'm looking for testimonials. And just a dust cover; not the bulky, heavy outdoor type. Thank you.

Nelson Rigg UV2000 in XL size.    :thumbs:

(http://assets.motorcyclegear.com/image/path/26493/small/concours14_a.jpg)

The cover is very light weight but not strictly an indoor cover. I used it mostly while parking at work to keep the sun off my bike. The surface of the cover is very reflective and keeps the bike cooler. It comes with a storage bag and the whole thing smooshes down pretty small. The cover has held up well in the three years that I've used it. Do a search to find the best price. I bought mine at Dennis Kirk. 
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 01, 2015, 07:40:13 AM
The '08 KLR is also candy lime green.  So is the '04 meanstreak.  ZG's build is the golden blaze green from the z1000. I think the bike might be a color all its own.  More flake than the previous candy limes, but not as much as the golden blaze green.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 01, 2015, 12:40:06 PM
The '08 KLR is also candy lime green. So is the '04 meanstreak.
For some reason, the one I saw looked very different. But knowing now it was an '08, probably lots of sun fade over the years. If it was 'Candy Lime Green', then it should be the exact identical color/process of my bike IMO. Unless Patrick (CopperDawg) was wrong that this color is a tri-coat, it's surprising Kawi used it on the affordable KLR. Maybe that's why it hasn't been used again. At any rate, I'm not happy about that fact, since most companies don't make touch-up paint for those colors. Need to find out if Kawi does, as I'm surely going to get rock chips over the years, especially here in the desert. Take care.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 01, 2015, 03:42:18 PM
Here is where you get Kawasaki candy lime green
http://www.colorrite.com/product/kawasaki-candy-lime-green-1534.cfm (http://www.colorrite.com/product/kawasaki-candy-lime-green-1534.cfm)

There is a note saying for 2013 and earlier.

Kawasaki uses candy lime on many of it's bikes. 

Sorry to disappoint you, but Kawasaki used That color on many bikes.

Check out this image search tossed a few.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Kawasaki+candy+lime+green&biw=601&bih=395&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=5qjOVPr5NsX7sASLqYIo&ved=0CCcQ7Ak&dpr=1.33 (https://www.google.com/search?q=Kawasaki+candy+lime+green&biw=601&bih=395&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=5qjOVPr5NsX7sASLqYIo&ved=0CCcQ7Ak&dpr=1.33)

Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: rcannon409 on February 01, 2015, 04:41:11 PM
I'm in Utah and my 08 has the same emissions stuff.  There is really no harm in havign the stuff.  One odd benefit is you can park these ca-emissions bikes in a hot garage, empty fuel tank, and your garage will never smell like gas fumes.

We cant hold quite as much fuel, but otherwise, its  a non issue.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: dolomoto on February 01, 2015, 06:26:52 PM
I've had a few covers. By far, the Geza Gear covers are the best for me.

http://www.gezagear.com/ (http://www.gezagear.com/)

Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: sailor_chic on February 01, 2015, 06:36:22 PM
For a dust cover I use a good ol' twin sheet we haven't used in a looong time. Ain't she a byoot? The price is right (free).

(http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx321/mr_beeps/IMG_2222a_zpse920ea60.jpg)

(http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx321/mr_beeps/IMG_2217a_zpsa1fbae7e.jpg)

Pretty flowers :)
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 01, 2015, 09:06:52 PM
Kawasaki uses candy lime on many of it's bikes.
Sorry to disappoint you, but Kawasaki used That color on many bikes.
Not disappointed of that at all buddy; not that kind of guy. I'm disappointed it's a TRI-COAT color, since it's very hard to match. And to obtain a ONE-STEP touch-up paint. Thank you for that link, but it's not what I'm looking for. Did you notice the 'requires base coat #1225' in bold, red letters? Useless for touch-ups.

And thank you all for the links to covers, but I'm looking for a full cover. Just like those though (thin and stretchy), but full coverage. Hope all of you had an awesome weekend 8).
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Rembrant on February 02, 2015, 05:06:16 AM
Kawasaki uses candy lime on many of it's bikes. 

Yup, they sure did, and they've been using it for a long time too. My 2002 Kawi ZRX1200R was Candy Lime Green, and I know the ZX12R, ZX14, and several Kawi Vulcan models used that color as well.

For some reason, the one I saw looked very different. But knowing now it was an '08, probably lots of sun fade over the years. If it was 'Candy Lime Green', then it should be the exact identical color/process of my bike IMO.

Actually, it doesn't really work that way, not with Kawasaki at least. One would expect the colors to all be exactly the same, but they're not....it's the nature of pearl paints. Once you see a couple identical color and model bikes side by side, you will see differences. Kawasaki will actually list some of these pearl paints as "Factory Variance Colors"....which means if you buy a replacement painted panel, it is not necessarily guaranteed to match your bike. I bought a Kawi ZX10R brand new back in 2005 and it was "Pearl Magma Red", and there were a few of them around my area at the time, and they all looked just a little bit different. The standard Kawi lime green on the other hand...even though there are different shades of that, they are very easy to match and a whole row of those bikes will all look identical.

Rem
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Rembrant on February 02, 2015, 05:17:37 AM
Thank you for that link, but it's not what I'm looking for. Did you notice the 'requires base coat #1225' in bold, red letters? Useless for touch-ups.

Actually, that link IS what you're looking for if you want to buy touch-up paint for your bike....you can't buy it from Kawasaki.

Rem
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: just gone on February 02, 2015, 01:26:12 PM
Slightly off topic....(wow there's a surprise) ..but elpjc, what color is the rear shock and spring on your '15?... black and silver respectively as in previous years or something different?

I've been comparing part numbers of the rear springs across the years trying to determine if there is actually a new spring shock combo on the '15 or just a new color and or new preload setting from the factory. Comparing the owner's manuals gets confusing and tedious. The '14 manual says 13 clicks is standard and the '15 says 10 clicks is standard. Reading the manual is somewhat confusing as to which way to turn it, but going by other posts I've seen it would seem that more clicks clockwise from fully counter clockwise would increase preload. This would indicate that the'15 does in fact really have a new spring as opposed to the same rear spring with more preload dialed in from the factory, since 3 fewer clicks would mean less preload for the same spring. ?????? ..or have I screwed this up entirely.  :-\

One thing to note is that the plastic removal directions to get to the air cleaner are much better in the '15 Owner's manual than in previous years so newbs without a shop manual or Fred's videos should probably look there for clearer instructions.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 02, 2015, 01:52:48 PM
Actually, that link IS what you're looking for if you want to buy touch-up paint for your bike.
Yeah, I know. But it's absolutely useless for rock chips and such. I tried it before on a car, and looked awful. Better than white primer, but not even close. The 'base' coat alone would fill the chip. Then you need to apply the top coat. And then a tinted clear. Can't do that on a freaking chip. The only solution is to just apply the top coat, but it definitely wouldn't match the paint. But if I get a chip that bothers me, and this bike also has a white or black primer, will reluctantly buy it so it looks better than white or black. Thanks again for your help.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 02, 2015, 01:57:21 PM
what color is the rear shock and spring on your '15?... black and silver respectively as in previous years or something different?
Happy to help. The shock is dark gray, and the spring dark metallic (flaky) gray. That doesn't necessarily mean they're different. They could be the same, but the preload mechanism definitely changed. Remember the preload setting for 2014 is 13 out of 28 'clicks'. My 2015 is 10 out of 24 clicks. So it could be that the preload just ramps up quicker, since if you get both ratios, are almost the same. The only way to find out for sure would be knowing the spring ratio. Is there a way to know that? Since the preload changed, the p/n probably changed too, but that doesn't mean the shock and spring did. Hope this helps a little.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: rcannon409 on February 02, 2015, 08:29:52 PM
I have the candy lime green on my 2012 Ninja 1000.  One of the British companies sold me some touch up paint for it, and yea....yea....Da Vinci might succeed in using it. Maybe...

Three bottles.  The base green does match, but it requires the metalflake, then the top coat....

Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: just gone on February 02, 2015, 11:16:48 PM
Hope this helps a little.

Yes I think that does, thank you.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: rcannon409 on February 03, 2015, 10:06:11 AM
Another touch up option is using The Model company, Tamiya ts52 spray paint. Its very close, fi nto identical. Spray some on a piece of paper, then find a small brush.  Its way easier thna the three bottle system everyone else has.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 03, 2015, 12:09:15 PM
Another touch up option is using The Model company, Tamiya TS52 spray paint. Its very close. Spray some on a piece of paper, then find a small brush. Its way easier than the three bottle system everyone else has.
Awesome find. I already ordered one. I always prefer spray paint, and do what you suggested for small chips. And if you want to paint a small part or a larger touch-up, you can do it. Many thanks.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 03, 2015, 01:18:11 PM
Another touch up option is using The Model company, Tamiya ts52 spray paint. Its very close, fi nto identical. Spray some on a piece of paper, then find a small brush.  Its way easier thna the three bottle system everyone else has.

I used that to paint the 'orange' trim on my JCWhitney "GIVI" knockoff trunk.  Worked very well and matched the KLR nicely.(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb188/twowheeladdict/KLR650/smDSCN5956.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 06, 2015, 12:25:37 AM
Hey gang, few questions, if you can help:

1. Want to buy tank/fairing knee protectors, but prefer clear. Anybody with first-hand experience with any in the Connie? So far TechSpec doesn't make them for the Connie, and StompGrip are hard as a rock, too big, and uncomfortable as hell, so never again (had them on the K1300S). If there isn't any others, will leave the factory black tank pad in place, and just buy the other 5 pads from TechSpec in High-Fusion, since they should last longer, for what I've read ($75 for those 5 pads; website doesn't have them anymore except in a combo with the bags).

2. I also want a fender extender, but want it to more or less match the smooth plastic of the lower section, since it'd be right next to it. So the only such options are the Pyramid FendaExtenda or the one sold by ProjektD, which seems a bit longer. Any personal experience with that one? I'd get if for $10 with the order of a radiator grille, which I'll get but without the rivet holes or insert (I'll install fiberglass screening instead). The only bad news is I'd have to wait until end of Feb to get the radiator grille frame the way I want it (plus shipping time).

After those 3 items, I'll be pretty much done with the bike, except the screen (waiting for paint sample from CopperDawg). Oh, and a full-coverage dust (indoor) cover too, but will have to try my luck with that one. Thank you again for all the help. Will take pics of the mods one of these days.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Rembrant on February 06, 2015, 05:26:38 AM
Hey gang, few questions, if you can help:

1. Want to buy tank/fairing knee protectors, but prefer clear.

Kawasaki actually sells clear tank protector pads...but they're only available in the European market (as far as I know). They're often on Ebay in the UK...see links below. Kawasaki also sells clear covers for the side cases in Europe as well...or panniers as they call them on the other side of the Atlantic.

I don't like the Stomp-grip pads myself unless they're on a track bike. I've installed the Tech-Spec pads on both C14's and I quite like the product, but they're certainly not clear.

OEM clear pads:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kawasaki-GTR1400-2010-2011-Genuine-Kawasaki-Tank-Pad-/281525954465?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item418c4127a1 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kawasaki-GTR1400-2010-2011-Genuine-Kawasaki-Tank-Pad-/281525954465?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item418c4127a1)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-GENUINE-KAWASAKI-1400GTR-GTR1400-GTR-TANK-PAD-PROTECTOR-SET-168TPT0032-/381057379120?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item58b8ca2b30 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-GENUINE-KAWASAKI-1400GTR-GTR1400-GTR-TANK-PAD-PROTECTOR-SET-168TPT0032-/381057379120?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item58b8ca2b30)
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: sailor_chic on February 06, 2015, 05:32:09 AM
I have this tank protection on my C14  https://thetankslapper.biz/oc/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_69&product_id=154   

I have not installed all of this on my bike yet. I am thinking of getting some pin stripping first.
Granted the headlight protection is somewhat difficult to install, but it is very nice once it is on. They also have a kit that has saddle bag protection.

For a fender extender, I have the one from Murph. It is not a smooth one like your asking about, but it installs without drilling. You just need ABS cement and some clamps.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Conrad on February 06, 2015, 05:36:42 AM
I have this tank protection on my C14  https://thetankslapper.biz/oc/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_69&product_id=154   I have not installed all of this on my bike yet. I am thinking of getting some pin stripping first.
Granted the headlight protection is somewhat difficult to install, but it is very nice once it is on. They also have a kit that has saddle bag protection.

I put the Tankslapper film kit on my tank and fairing back when I first bought my bike. It works ok but offers zero grip for your knees. I now have the Techspec kit on the tank with the Tankslapper film on the bags.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: maxtog on February 06, 2015, 05:38:58 AM
After those 3 items, I'll be pretty much done with the bike

So you think :)   For example- have seen no mention of removal/disable of secondary butterflies...
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: sailor_chic on February 06, 2015, 05:43:06 AM
For some reason, only half of what I wrote in my post above shows up. I tried to edit it, but it wont.

I have not installed all of this tank slapper on my bike yet. I am thinking of getting some pin stripping first.
Granted the headlight protection is somewhat difficult to install, but it is very nice once it is on. They also have a kit that has saddle bag protection.

For a fender extender, I have the one from Murph. It is not a smooth one like your asking about, but it installs without drilling. You just need ABS cement and some clamps.


So you think :)   For example- have seen no mention of removal/disable of secondary butterflies...

Or a seat, or exhaust, cruise control, GPS, tires.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Rembrant on February 06, 2015, 05:46:36 AM

Or a seat, or exhaust, cruise control, GPS, tires.

YUP!....Cruise Control is a must have for me....if you do any traveling, it sure is nice.

Rem
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Deziner on February 06, 2015, 06:42:57 AM


After those 3 items, I'll be pretty much done with the bike,

No rack or top case?

Supplemental lighting?

Highway pegs?

Tip over protection?

Just curious because my bike has a few  "additions" and I can hardly wait to do more to make it more user friendly/ comfortable.
Generally speaking, I tend to change and or modify all of my motorcycles to suit my tastes and needs.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Rhino on February 06, 2015, 06:59:13 AM
YUP!....Cruise Control is a must have for me....if you do any traveling, it sure is nice.

Rem

I put a Rostra CC on my C14 and love it but do not use it nearly as much as I thought I would. I only use it when solo on long trips. Most of the time I'm in traffic or in twisties or with someone else who doesn't have it.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 06, 2015, 07:14:10 AM
Canyon cages
Front and Rear fender extender from Blue One. http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=128.msg231049#msg231049 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=128.msg231049#msg231049)
 Phil's Rack
Trunk
Mm10 lights
Skenedesign front and rear LEDs
Zumo mount
Radar detector mount
Cruise control
Sergeant seat with pod
MRA vario screen
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: connie_rider on February 06, 2015, 08:49:52 AM
Twowhwwladict, I'm interested in a GPS mount. I saw one in a photo that holds the GPS low and in the center of the bars.\

What type do you have?

JC, I started a form discussion some time back about tank protection. (asked WHAT OTHERS WERE USING)
 I can find it and send it to you to look over if you wish?

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 06, 2015, 12:22:50 PM
I put the Tankslapper film kit on my tank and fairing back when I first bought my bike. It works ok but offers zero grip for your knees. I now have the Techspec kit on the tank with the Tankslapper film on the bags.
I'm on the same boat. I don't really want just protection, but something that grips. May I ask which TechSpec kit you have? I'm more inclined to the thinner High-Fusion, but don't know how it grips compared to the SnakeSkin. Thx.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 06, 2015, 12:27:22 PM
For a fender extender, I have the one from Murph. It is not a smooth one like your asking about, but it installs without drilling. You just need ABS cement and some clamps.
May I ask you if you've seen the Pyramid FendaExtenda and MotorcycleLarry (blueone) extender? The Pyramid will look the best, but it's just too short, so it's out of consideration. But between the 2 remaining, which do you rank better overall? Hopefully you have seen the other one by now, and compare it to yours. And also thank you for the clear tank protection you linked, but wanted plain, not with all that crap in there ;D. Take care.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 06, 2015, 12:40:10 PM
And guess I should have said I'm done with the bike... FOR NOW ;D. Need to go for a ride, and I'm sure I'll have to address some issues. I have the Throttlemeister, and that's all I need as far as cruise control. I have a one-piece throttle-rocker that hope don't need on this bike, but will take it. The exhaust is done, but need to decide if the P1X insert is too quiet or just fine. Still have the P1 option, which is in the middle of P1X and nothing. Grip puppies are on too. Locking mechanism on storage compartment removed, and LEDs for the license-plate and 'city lights'. The seat could give me trouble, for what I experienced in my 45-minute ride home; we'll see. Curious about the stock vented screen too. Might keep it for future winter riding if I don't get deafening turbulence, but am looking forward to the CopperDawg one (it's going to take a few weeks to get done). And if I have any rideability issues in the twisties, would also think about removing the secondary butterflies, but hope not. I'd basically render traction-control useless, since that's how the ECU reduces power the most. Oh, and Ted, yeah, I'd like that thread please ;). Thank you to all for your awesome help. After that trip, will do an engine and final-drive oil changes... and search for suggestions on final-drive choices. I'll probably go with Valvoline motorcycle-specific 10/40, since I've only seen Mobil1 in 20/50. Have a great afternoon, and weekend ahead gang.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: jirod on February 06, 2015, 01:07:58 PM
I'll probably go with Valvoline motorcycle-specific 10/40, since I've only seen Mobil1 in 20/50.
There is Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W40 full synthetic specifically for motorcycle engines. Will not damage the wet clutch. Check autozone or cycle gear. That's what I use. For the final drive I use Mobil 1 75W90. Ride safe!
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Rembrant on February 06, 2015, 01:13:31 PM
I'd basically render traction-control useless, since that's how the ECU reduces power the most.

Actually, the secondary flies are really just to smoothen the action of the traction control...the majority of the traction control "activity" will be in ignition and fuel control. There have been lots of C14 owner who have removed their secondary flies and report that traction control performs as advertised.

Rem
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: maxtog on February 06, 2015, 02:57:53 PM
would also think about removing the secondary butterflies, but hope not. I'd basically render traction-control useless, since that's how the ECU reduces power the most.

Actually, we have had quite a lot of discussion about that (in various other threads).  I believe the conclusion is that it might reduce the traction control smoothness some but it is certainly not essential and there is no real loss of functionality in the traction control system.  What it does for performance is quite nice.  And if you don't want to remove them, then there is the reflash of the ECU which ends up doing mostly the same thing, but without affecting their use for traction control at all.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 06, 2015, 07:21:40 PM
Twowhwwladict, I'm interested in a GPS mount. I saw one in a photo that holds the GPS low and in the center of the bars.\

What type do you have?


Ride safe, Ted

I have the RAM clutch reservoir mount.  I have a huge tank bag so down between the bars won't work for me.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: just gone on February 06, 2015, 08:27:30 PM
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Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Conrad on February 07, 2015, 05:26:14 AM
There is Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W40 full synthetic specifically for motorcycle engines. Will not damage the wet clutch. Check autozone or cycle gear. That's what I use. For the final drive I use Mobil 1 75W90. Ride safe!

A lot of us use this oil. Sometimes you can get a great price on it at Autozone and the like. Check Amazon too.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 07, 2015, 08:13:31 AM
A lot of us use this oil. Sometimes you can get a great price on it at Autozone and the like. Check Amazon too.

One Wal-Mart in my vicinity carries it.  The manager must own a bike.  When I found it, I bought all 8 quarts on the shelf.  Their everyday price beat all the others sale prices.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 08, 2015, 01:56:10 AM
I'll use the Mobil1 10/40 then; like it better than Valvoline. And since owner's manual doesn't list final drive oil weight, is the 75/90 called in the service manual for all climates? It gets hot here in TX. Would like to know if 75/140 was mentioned, and what temperature ranges. Otherwise it'll be M1 75/90, which is available locally at PepBoys. And will check Walmart for the M1 10/40; if not, AutoZone carries it for sure. Thank you for that recommendation.

Hey, on an unrelated subject, my bike has a paltry 1 (index) finger clearance between the front wheel and the chin spoiler. Is that normal on older bikes? I ask because I don't think Motorcycle Larry's long fender extender is going to clear. Might end up with the Pyramid FendaExtenda. Or maybe ProjektD's slightly longer one. With that little gap, I think stones are mostly going to hit the chin bar, and not go above it. I might have to take the Big Bend trip without that and radiator grille, and when I'm back, I'd know for sure what needs protection ;D. Thx.

Finally, took the bike for a 20+ mile ride today, and it was great. I really like this bike. The more restrictive P1X insert for the TBR pipe was perfect; don't want it any louder than that. It lacks the deep growl at idle, but sounds awesome under way; it's a compromise I'm happy to take. Throttlemeister worked perfectly, and looks stock (removed the red pinstripes). The grip puppies (grab-ons) are BY FAR the best mod on all my bikes, and a bargain at $15 or so shipped. Brakes are simply phenomenal, especially in feel and power. The only slight disappointment was the pegs are in the way to touch the ground, and that's why the 2015 seat didn't make any difference. But at the same time, they provide a less aggressive riding position, so I'm fine with that. Plus I can solidly put the balls of my feet, and being careful where I stop/park, should be enough to avoid joining the 'drop' club. Also feel a little more heat near my feet that I'd like (which is likely to get much worse in the hot summer), but hope it's not too bad. I only use the bike to travel to the twisties, so shouldn't be an issue for me. All in all, so far VERY pleased with my purchase. And already like it better than all of my previous BMWs :). Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: sailor_chic on February 08, 2015, 05:48:15 AM
If you like it now, just wait until you put some real miles on it. I think these bikes are like fine wine. They get better with time.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: rcannon409 on February 08, 2015, 11:51:14 AM
I would not go to the 75/140 gear lube.  As a human being, I know how that Texas heat is....Its unreal...but machines dont respond much to an extra 10-20 degrees ambient heat, or humidity. Normal weight is just fine. 
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 08, 2015, 12:23:27 PM
I would not go to the 75/140 gear lube.
Thank you. Will put 75/90 then. It's a little frustrating the owner's manual doesn't have that info, but it sounds about right. That reminds me need to buy a service manual. Will buy it along with the 2014 windscreen parts I need for the CopperDawg screen, and a couple of oil filters. Enjoy the rest of your weekend everybody.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: just gone on February 08, 2015, 02:57:14 PM
Hey, on an unrelated subject, my bike has a paltry 1 (index) finger clearance between the front wheel and the chin spoiler. Is that normal on older bikes? I ask because I don't think Motorcycle Larry's long fender extender is going to clear. Might end up with the Pyramid FendaExtenda. Or maybe ProjektD's slightly longer one. With that little gap, I think stones are mostly going to hit the chin bar, and not go above it. I might have to take the Big Bend trip without that and radiator grille, and when I'm back, I'd know for sure what needs protection ;D. Thx.

I've got the blue one (it's black, and from Canada) front fender extender on my 2010 and you are right it is very close (less than a finger but more than a pinky) to the chin bar but it fits. I checked the outside back of the extender (just for you jc  ;) ) and there are no scrape marks from hitting the chin bar. My chin bar is currently too dirty to see if it is also unmarked but I assume it is. I was just in Big Bend a few weeks ago and there was quite a bit of loose chip seal on F.M.170, but then there always is at the Lajitas end for some reason. It gets better towards the Big Hill (traveling west). Have a safe trip and take pictures for us.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: rcannon409 on February 14, 2015, 10:53:15 AM
Earlier, you asked about a touch up paint that was good for the bike. The three part ones are easy to find, but up until today I had not found a good one part that worked.

I was at Walgreens with my granddaughter, and she stopped at the nail polish section.

I found one that is as close as you could professionally mix up. Its so close, I suspect someone copied someone ..even the metallic part is the same.

I did not choose the name the name...

Heres a link on Amazoon.com...http://www.amazon.com/Sinful-Colors-Professional-Polish-946/dp/B009ZNDK00 (http://www.amazon.com/Sinful-Colors-Professional-Polish-946/dp/B009ZNDK00)

Its made by Sinful Colors and the name is "happy ending " number 946.

I put  a spot on a white envelope and matched it to my ninja.




Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 14, 2015, 10:47:23 PM
I found one that is as close as you could professionally mix up. Heres a link on Amazoon.com...http://www.amazon.com/Sinful-Colors-Professional-Polish-946/dp/B009ZNDK00 (http://www.amazon.com/Sinful-Colors-Professional-Polish-946/dp/B009ZNDK00) Its made by Sinful Colors and the name is "happy ending " number 946.
Hey man, I already bought the spray can you suggested on post #49, but haven't tried it (maybe I need to, just to make sure it matches before I actually need it). That nail polish is pretty darn close indeed. Now we have 2 choices ;). Thank you for sharing that.

Will have to wait weeks for my custom radiator grille frame (I'll install fiberglass screening, instead of the metal grille) and fender extender, and don't want to take the bike on a trip without those 2 things. Plus CopperDawg sport screen is also going to take weeks due to the new green color. So have nothing to report. Will probably put some more local miles to at least get to 300 (now 74). Enjoy the rest of your weekend folks.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Conrad on February 15, 2015, 05:38:42 AM
Hey man, I already bought the spray can you suggested on post #49, but haven't tried it (maybe I need to, just to make sure it matches before I actually need it). That nail polish is pretty darn close indeed. Now we have 2 choices ;). Thank you for sharing that.

Will have to wait weeks for my custom radiator grille frame (I'll install fiberglass screening, instead of the metal grille) and fender extender, and don't want to take the bike on a trip without those 2 things. Plus CopperDawg sport screen is also going to take weeks due to the new green color. So have nothing to report. Will probably put some more local miles to at least get to 300 (now 74). Enjoy the rest of your weekend folks.

How is the fiberglass screen gonna protect your radiator from taking a hit?
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: tweeter55 on February 15, 2015, 06:25:03 AM
How is the fiberglass screen gonna protect your radiator from taking a hit?
Soft rocks?
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: sailor_chic on February 15, 2015, 07:09:34 AM
Soft rocks?


These must be the "new" rocks that I have heard about.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 15, 2015, 08:06:38 AM
Kinder, gentler rocks.  Rock on!
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 15, 2015, 05:00:59 PM
How is the fiberglass screen gonna protect your radiator from taking a hit?
It's pretty darn tough man. So far, in over 2 decades of protecting every car and bike, never a hole in it. Removing bug carcasses is a breeze with a tooth brush (and even easier with water, but I avoid spraying my bikes with water unless caught in rain and a mess). Besides, on the bike, you're very unlikely to get hit by a rock... although it's certainly possible. The main reason is to protect radiator from bugs (yes, those suckers definitely bend the fins), but also for the piece of mind of knowing with 99%+ probability I'm not going to get stranded by a pierced radiator. Keep in mind ANY radiator cover has bigger holes (and wider metal) than the small fiberglass screening, so chances of a small rock going cleanly thru them is larger than with my approach. But as long as you have something, it's better than nothing. And again, yet another case of to each his own ;D. Finally, with all the sports cars I've owned which gives you the precise coolant temperature (not buffered, like most cars and bikes), never ran any hotter, even in the intense TX summer heat. Attached are photos of what I had to do with my newest toy (now I have TWO 2015 GTRs 8)), since it's a royal PITA to remove the bumper to do it from behind the grille. I could remove the upper one, but not the lower one. Spent some time with the cutting, but ended up perfect. And nothing gets past the bumper. Just have to be careful with the safety wire on the lower one; that's why I like doing it from the inside, where running a toothbrush doesn't affect anything (I just have to do it carefully).
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Conrad on February 16, 2015, 06:11:29 AM
It's pretty darn tough man. So far, in over 2 decades of protecting every car and bike, never a hole in it. Removing bug carcasses is a breeze with a tooth brush (and even easier with water, but I avoid spraying my bikes with water unless caught in rain and a mess). Besides, on the bike, you're very unlikely to get hit by a rock... although it's certainly possible. The main reason is to protect radiator from bugs (yes, those suckers definitely bend the fins), but also for the piece of mind of knowing with 99%+ probability I'm not going to get stranded by a pierced radiator. Keep in mind ANY radiator cover has bigger holes (and wider metal) than the small fiberglass screening, so chances of a small rock going cleanly thru them is larger than with my approach. But as long as you have something, it's better than nothing. And again, yet another case of to each his own ;D. Finally, with all the sports cars I've owned which gives you the precise coolant temperature (not buffered, like most cars and bikes), never ran any hotter, even in the intense TX summer heat. Attached are photos of what I had to do with my newest toy (now I have TWO 2015 GTRs 8)), since it's a royal PITA to remove the bumper to do it from behind the grille. I could remove the upper one, but not the lower one. Spent some time with the cutting, but ended up perfect. And nothing gets past the bumper. Just have to be careful with the safety wire on the lower one; that's why I like doing it from the inside, where running a toothbrush doesn't affect anything (I just have to do it carefully).

I hate to burst your bubble but I can say with 99%+ probability that if your radiator takes a hit from a rock that's large enough to cause a hole that your fiberglass screen isn't going to stop it and there's a 85.76% probability that you will be stranded. 
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: sailor_chic on February 16, 2015, 06:24:55 AM
Why risk it? Here is an example of a small $55 purchase that could greatly reduce your percentage of damage possibilities.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kawasaki-ZX14-06-14-C14-Concours-GTR-07-14-Radiator-guard-/121571838266?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c4e3f093a&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kawasaki-ZX14-06-14-C14-Concours-GTR-07-14-Radiator-guard-/121571838266?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c4e3f093a&vxp=mtr)
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Deziner on February 16, 2015, 06:25:44 AM
It's pretty darn tough man. So far, in over 2 decades of protecting every car and bike, never a hole in it. Removing bug carcasses is a breeze with a tooth brush (and even easier with water, but I avoid spraying my bikes with water unless caught in rain and a mess). Besides, on the bike, you're very unlikely to get hit by a rock... although it's certainly possible. The main reason is to protect radiator from bugs (yes, those suckers definitely bend the fins), but also for the piece of mind of knowing with 99%+ probability I'm not going to get stranded by a pierced radiator. Keep in mind ANY radiator cover has bigger holes (and wider metal) than the small fiberglass screening, so chances of a small rock going cleanly thru them is larger than with my approach. But as long as you have something, it's better than nothing. And again, yet another case of to each his own ;D. Finally, with all the sports cars I've owned which gives you the precise coolant temperature (not buffered, like most cars and bikes), never ran any hotter, even in the intense TX summer heat. Attached are photos of what I had to do with my newest toy (now I have TWO 2015 GTRs 8)), since it's a royal PITA to remove the bumper to do it from behind the grille. I could remove the upper one, but not the lower one. Spent some time with the cutting, but ended up perfect. And nothing gets past the bumper. Just have to be careful with the safety wire on the lower one; that's why I like doing it from the inside, where running a toothbrush doesn't affect anything (I just have to do it carefully).



I heard what you said and understand the logic behind your thought process, however, wouldn't it be better to have BOTH the metal AND the fiberglass ?    Just curious.  ::)
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: gPink on February 16, 2015, 06:31:17 AM


I heard what you said and understand the logic behind your thought process, however, wouldn't it be better to have BOTH the metal AND the fiberglass ?    Just curious.  ::)

Might that not be a bit flow restrictive?
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: stevewfl on February 16, 2015, 06:33:36 AM
>93,000 miles, many off them long LONG gravel roads at speed, and I've never bought any type of radiator protector products.  No issues to report  ;D

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/X%20country%20trippin/20110708-DSC_1451.jpg)

Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: lather on February 16, 2015, 07:02:49 AM
>93,000 miles, many off them long LONG gravel roads at speed, and I've never bought any type of radiator protector products.  No issues to report  ;D

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/X%20country%20trippin/20110708-DSC_1451.jpg)
That's because you're always in the lead ;).

Seriously some bikes are more vulnerable to radiator hits than others. I think the Concours 14 is relatively well protected but I do have a home made metal screen on mine.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 16, 2015, 01:41:56 PM
I hate to burst your bubble but I can say with 99%+ probability that if your radiator takes a hit from a rock that's large enough to cause a hole that your fiberglass screen isn't going to stop it
Aside from your sarcasm on your last statement, make it 100% in the one above. But that also goes for whatever grille you have. And if a rock is large enough, it'd wipe you and your bike out as well ;). We're talking REASONABLE protection. So far haven't had a problem in over 2 decades, but it can obviously happen. Having said the above, I also NEVER follow people too close, especially on gravelly roads; some common sense goes a long way to avoid such potential issues. You never know when an idiot wants to pass you on such roads, peltering your car/bike with stones; that's why I always prefer to ride all the way back. Oh, and you don't want a grille AND fiberglass screening; too much restriction. And yes, any aftermarket grille will be more flow-restricting than fiberglass screening. And it doesn't prevent bugs from going into your radiator... and you can't brush them off either. I like when bikes have large, plastic grilles, because I simply attach the screening to it. But the Kawi doesn't have any. So ordered a frame only (no logo, black powdercoated, no laser holes, no grille) from ProjektD, but will have to make in China until their next batch, arriving middle of March. I ordered their $10 fender extender, since it's smooth like the Pyramid FendaExtenda, but also smooth ABS. I didn't like the crinkly finish of the longer MotorcycleLarry.com one, so that's the best option. With the tire being so close to the chin spoiler, I don't think pebbles from the front tire would hit anywhere above the spoiler. On my 2015, the tire only clears the spoiler by an index finger. But it will surely help if I catch rain. However, I see myself having to 'plasti-dip' the painted area behind the front wheel eventually; no fender extender can save it from that. Have a good one folks.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Pilgrim on February 16, 2015, 04:26:43 PM
elp_jc,
Do you recall if there was ever any specific numbers given for the new gear ratio for 1st in any of the literature you got with your new bike?
Thanks.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: just gone on February 16, 2015, 06:51:07 PM
....any specific numbers given for the new gear ratio for 1st ......?

Quote from: 2015 C14 Owner's Manual
Primary Reduction Ratio 1.556 (84/54)
Final Reduction Ratio 2.036 (14/22 × 32/10)
Overall Drive Ratio
3.402 (Top gear)
Gear Ratio:
 1st 3.538 (46/13)
2nd 2.412 (41/17)
3rd 1.900 (38/20)
4th 1.545 (34/22)
5th 1.292 (31/24)
6th 1.074 (29/27)

Quote from: 2014 C14 Owner's Manual
Primary Reduction Ratio 1.556 (84/54)
Final Reduction Ratio 2.036 (14/22 × 32/10)
Overall Drive Ratio 3.402 @Top gear
Gear Ratio:
1st 3.333 (50/15)
2nd 2.412 (41/17)
3rd 1.900 (38/20)
4th 1.545 (34/22)
5th 1.292 (31/24)
6th 1.074 (29/27)
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 17, 2015, 12:19:50 PM
Do you recall if there was ever any specific numbers given for the new gear ratio for 1st in any of the literature you got with your new bike?
Nothing Pilgrim, and I read the entire manual. And service manual is not out yet, as far as I know. Where did you get the info Fartymarty? I bet from the press introduction, right? The only thing I can tell you is the difference is minimal. Didn't feel any from a 2014 bike to mine. Remember reading it was done for fully-loaded bikes (2-up with luggage). I just got a 2015 because the 2 'new' 2014 bikes I attempted to buy supposedly from the crate, both had been serviced long ago, and had test-ride miles on them, along with scratches/scuffs everywhere. The changes were very few, and most can be upgraded easily. What makes the 2015 more attractive is its reduction in price, rather than a typical increase. The bad news is it's only available in black and green. Got the green to please the wife (anything but black... for my safety), but it sure as hell wasn't at the top of my list ;D.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: gPink on February 17, 2015, 12:46:04 PM
 :popcorn: Gotta love it when a thread goes south....
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: just gone on February 17, 2015, 01:16:16 PM
:popcorn: Gotta love it when a thread goes south....
   :rotflmao:

Nothing Pilgrim, and I read the entire manual.  Where did you get the info Fartymarty? I bet from the press introduction, right?
  'jc, reread manual, and/or notice what references I quoted in my previous post.  ;D
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 22, 2015, 12:35:05 PM
Thanks buddy. You need both manuals to catch the difference ;).  Well, fighting for my life with an acute pneumonia and the rare hairy-cell leukemia diagnosis (cause unknown) after being healthy as a horse all of my 53 years. But can't wait to get out of the freaking hospital, get on with chemo, and ride again. Hope ALL of you are having a better weekend than me. Ha ha. Have a good one.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: maxtog on February 22, 2015, 12:53:32 PM
Well, fighting for my life with an acute pneumonia and the rare hairy-cell leukemia diagnosis (cause unknown) after being healthy as a horse all of my 53 years. But can't wait to get out of the freaking hospital, get on with chemo, and ride again.

Sorry to hear you are having a heath battle :(   Get well soon so you can enjoy your new Concours.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Deziner on February 22, 2015, 01:03:27 PM
Get well soon. The road awaits......
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: connie_rider on February 22, 2015, 07:47:25 PM
JC,, I just saw this.  arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

REALLY sorry to hear your ill!
I thought you weren't posting, because you were on he road to Big Bend.

Keep us posted on, how your doing!!


Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 22, 2015, 09:20:39 PM
I thought you weren't posting, because you were on he road to Big Bend.
Hey Ted, that was exactly the plan buddy. He he. But I'm glad this thing hit me a day before leaving. Acute anemia is getting out of the dangerous stage, and hoping a couple more days does the same for the interstatial pneumonia, so I can go home and start the new fight there. So yes, my Connie sits with 66 miles on the clock waiting to stretch its legs. Soon my brothers. Soon 8). Thank you for all the good wishes gang; I'll beat this thing for sure. And the odds are pretty good too.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Conrad on February 23, 2015, 04:35:43 AM
Thanks buddy. You need both manuals to catch the difference ;).  Well, fighting for my life with an acute pneumonia and the rare hairy-cell leukemia diagnosis (cause unknown) after being healthy as a horse all of my 53 years. But can't wait to get out of the freaking hospital, get on with chemo, and ride again. Hope ALL of you are having a better weekend than me. Ha ha. Have a good one.

I'm really sorry to hear this, get well soon man!
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: connie_rider on February 23, 2015, 09:07:44 AM
If you want, I'll be happy to come up there and help out.
For instance; Will gladly break in your new toy for ya.. <sly grin>

Keep you head up and get well.
Note; Your already on my prayer list. (as I pray for anyone on a Lime green Bike)
         But, next time I speak to the Boss, I'll add a line or 2, "to assure" that you get well...

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 23, 2015, 11:37:56 PM
If you want, I'll be happy to come up there and help out.
Yeah, right! Ha ha. Getting chemo in a few moments, even with my weakened state, but time is of the essence. Hope to go home tomorrow. Chemo is cumulative, so I'll get worse as time passes, therefore, other than getting home tomorrow, riding my bike 10 miles, filling up the tank, and stabilizing the fuel, will have to put it away for at least 2 months. No sense risking a crash and bleeding to death with no platelets. Should be fully well by the national, so looking forward to meeting you folks. It's a 6-week treatment once a week for 2 hours (intravenously), then 4-1/2 months of rest, then another round of 6 and that's it. Wish me luck. I'll spend lots of time at home, especially as I get weaker, so will spend some time reading and posting. Will keep you posted. The good fortune is I work from home, and only 5 months of the year, and I'm basically done, so the next 7 are vacation, and will have lots of time to heal well. I'm a skinny guy, so hope I don't lose too much weight. This week in the ER put about 5 lb, so that was good. GET YOUR ANNUAL PHYSICALS, and any marginal results, dig deeper. Everybody missed my cancer, even as late as a week ago. No symptoms from the cancer at all. Only the second clinic found out after dealing with the pneumonia (which thought was a viral infection). Learn from my experience ;D.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: kwakrider on February 24, 2015, 12:53:23 AM
Best of luck mate...wish you a full and speedy recovery!
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: tweeter55 on February 24, 2015, 04:39:18 AM
Good luck elp. Keep the positive attitude. You know (and I speak for myself)weI can be somewhat rubbing on this forum, but when it comes to the health of our fellow 'biker brothers', there is one thought, "get the  :censored: better!!!
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: AlbertaDoug on February 24, 2015, 05:24:04 PM
Hope all goes well with your health battle.
Riding is the best therapy more smiles per mile

 :chugbeer: :grouphug:
Thoughts are with ya brother.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: lather on February 25, 2015, 07:13:55 AM
Best of luck brother.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 25, 2015, 10:02:56 PM
Hey brothers, first bout with chemo was great, with basically zero side effects. Hope it's a trend with the rest, but know things will probably get progressively worse as the treatments pile up. We'll see. But it was an encouraging start :).

Big favor. Hospital told me I could die of a blood transfusion if blood is not 'irradiated', and to buy a 'medic alert', or some crap like that. I've never been to a hospital before in my life, so also learned I'm blood type A+ (quite common), so I'd also add that there. I remember seeing threads where to buy those things on BMW forums, but it's been a while. I think it's something you stick to the helmet, with a medical cross or something. I have a Shoei X-12 that also has red tabs to pull padding without having to remove helmet. Maybe next to those? Source where to buy and location where to stick it would be appreciated. Many thanks.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: maxtog on February 26, 2015, 12:44:07 AM
buy a 'medic alert', or some crap like that. I remember seeing threads where to buy those things on BMW forums, but it's been a while. I think it's something you stick to the helmet, with a medical cross or something. I have a Shoei X-12 that also has red tabs to pull padding without having to remove helmet. Maybe next to those? Source where to buy and location where to stick it would be appreciated. Many thanks.

"Medic Alert" is an organization that maintains electronic records and also provides ID bracelets or necklaces for people with medical conditions (asthma, diabetes, life-threatening allergies,  epilepsy, etc) to wear.  It greatly helps speed medical treatment when the wearer can't speak or is unconscious or altered in some way.

http://www.medicalert.org/ (http://www.medicalert.org/) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MedicAlert (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MedicAlert)

It helps medics and ER doctors know who you are and what special conditions you have.  I have never heard of a medic alert ID for a helmet.   But searching finds some products similar to that concept:  http://www.rescuefacts.com/ (http://www.rescuefacts.com/)  Still, the standard is to wear a bracelet or necklace.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: just gone on February 26, 2015, 10:09:07 AM
Not a Medic alert (which is probably better) but it sounds like you are referring to these.

http://www.medicaldatacarrier.com/package-types/powersports/ (http://www.medicaldatacarrier.com/package-types/powersports/)

http://www.medicaldatacarrier.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/PowerSports_Packaging_White.pdf (http://www.medicaldatacarrier.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/PowerSports_Packaging_White.pdf)

(http://www.medicaldatacarrier.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Live_Mock_ENG_FRE.png)

I think these were given out in the welcome packets at the COG National in Idaho a couple of years ago. They come in black
or white so they can be easily spotted on your helmet.

However it looks like this one from Amazon would be easier to obtain quickly. http://www.amazon.com/Sports-Vital-Medical-ID-Cycling/dp/B001DZLEVK (http://www.amazon.com/Sports-Vital-Medical-ID-Cycling/dp/B001DZLEVK)
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 26, 2015, 10:16:51 AM
But searching finds some products similar to that concept:  http://www.rescuefacts.com/ (http://www.rescuefacts.com/)
That's EXACTLY what I was looking for; many thanks man. I'm not wearing a stinking bracelet or necklace; never had and never will (can't stand them). Ha ha. And I don't have a life-threatening condition requiring that IMO; it's only if I ever need a transfusion, blood needs to be irradiated. Will buy one of those things for each of my cars, and for the helmet. Problem solved. Thanks again for your great help.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 26, 2015, 11:25:35 PM
it sounds like you are referring to these.
Indeed, my friend. Didn't see your post. Those are stuck to the helmet, right? Aren't the ones posted by Maxtog look better? They seem to be attached by Velcro, therefore removable if you change helmets or something. And they also make them for the seatbelts on cars. The only thing I'm not sure is if they're going to bother me while wearing the helmet. If somebody has any experience with either one, please post. Those stick-ons might detach over time (and rain), I presume. Thank you all for your super help. Went to the doc today, and gave me encouraging news, making much better progress than expected, so am quite happy. Not nearly out of the woods of all the complications I have, but getting there. Once just the cancer, I'll beat the crap out of it. Ha ha.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: Deziner on February 27, 2015, 05:43:14 AM
Hang in there.
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: connie_rider on February 27, 2015, 10:02:15 AM
Great news on your progress!

We'll be looking for you
          and the

Incredible /Glowing-GREEN-Machine
      on the road!

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: rhhall on February 27, 2015, 09:42:29 PM
Big favor. Hospital told me I could die of a blood transfusion if blood is not irradiated.

Irradiated blood reduces the chance of a transfusion reaction due to things like white blood cells from the donor. Pretty common practice with someone that has a compromised immune system. IMHO I might rethink the bracelet/necklace thing in case you are caught out in Bumdiddle, TN or somewhere where irradiated blood may not be readily available. It's not a big deal to irradiate blood but some smaller facilities may take a few hours to procure it from an outside source. Heal fast man. Riding weather is soon approaching. Love the green!!! :chugbeer:
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: maxtog on February 27, 2015, 09:54:48 PM
IMHO I might rethink the bracelet/necklace thing in case you are caught out in Bumdiddle, TN or somewhere where irradiated blood may not be readily available.

+1.  No worse than wearing a watch or something. Or at least carry a prominent card in your wallet, just in case.  That way you have something on you at all times indicating what you need.  EMT's are trained to look for medic alerts and cards in wallets.

http://www.medids.com/free-id.php#.VPFJ1x2Q5hE (http://www.medids.com/free-id.php#.VPFJ1x2Q5hE)
http://www.americanmedical-id.com/extras/product_walletcard.php (http://www.americanmedical-id.com/extras/product_walletcard.php)
Title: Re: New 2015 'praying mantis' home. Have some questions and comments
Post by: elp_jc on February 28, 2015, 01:11:56 AM
Irradiated blood reduces the chance of a transfusion reaction due to things like white blood cells from the donor. Pretty common practice with someone that has a compromised immune system.
That's exactly what my wife read. I definitely have a compromised immune system now, but am not going anywhere until I get out of all the complications I have now. Haven't bought any of those tags because it's possible once healed, I don't need irradiated blood. Will ask the hematologist/oncologist on Monday, before my 2nd chemo treatment. Hope that's the case, so I'm back to being a normal person. Well, maybe I can't donate blood anymore since you never get in full remission with leukemia (for what I read). But will also ask the doc. Have so much crap and bills now that I'll get to that later; no rush ;). Not to mention our canceled trip to south america that will cost me thousands to cancel. Oh well. As long as I get my health back, I don't give a crap. Ha ha. Have a great weekend ahead gang.