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Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: Mr. Green Genes on July 20, 2015, 05:57:39 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrr2D3r9ldw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrr2D3r9ldw)
I don't have a big voice, and I only had ~$1000 in the CO trip budget, but the climate has to be just right for me to be able to enjoy burning money on a vacation. If I did not take a stand against this, I would regret it for a long time.
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Are there civilized areas to visit that have significantly less police brutality?
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I do what I can, where I can, when I can, and I can stay the hell out of CO.
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Let's see how long this one lasts before it is arena time.... :o
But seeing as you posted it, and I happened to watch it, perhaps some of the LEO's behavior is due to the woman clearly resisting, clearly defying the LEO and last but not least, assaulting him (she kicked him). Too bad our society no longer has any price or responsibility for bad behavior....
Brian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrr2D3r9ldw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrr2D3r9ldw)
I don't have a big voice, and I only had ~$1000 in the CO trip budget, but the climate has to be just right for me to be able to enjoy burning money on a vacation. If I did not take a stand against this, I would regret it for a long time.
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Leo's bad behavior was inexcusable. I wonder if he still beats he wife.
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More info...this happened in 2013 BTW.
http://gazette.com/watch-surveillance-video-shows-altercation-between-colorado-springs-police-18-year-old-female/article/1555716 (http://gazette.com/watch-surveillance-video-shows-altercation-between-colorado-springs-police-18-year-old-female/article/1555716)
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/07/16/springs-woman-seeks-damages-after-police-confrontation-on-video/ (http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/07/16/springs-woman-seeks-damages-after-police-confrontation-on-video/)
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Woman seeks damages after police confrontation.... ? It looked to me like she got damages, and actually during the confrontation! You cannot ask for faster results than that....
'What is the first question asked during a Texas murder trial? Did the victim need killing?'
Brian
More info...this happened in 2013 BTW.
http://gazette.com/watch-surveillance-video-shows-altercation-between-colorado-springs-police-18-year-old-female/article/1555716 (http://gazette.com/watch-surveillance-video-shows-altercation-between-colorado-springs-police-18-year-old-female/article/1555716)
woman-seeks-damages-after-police-confrontation[/color]-on-video/]http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/07/16/springs-woman-seeks-damages-after-police-confrontation-on-video/ (http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/07/16/springs-[color=red)
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Cops don't like bikers, but bikers don't like cops either. I guess that makes us even. However, having been arrested several times, I've learned to be polite and compliant as long as the cops are. Additionally, you rarely win a fight with a cop. That's because there's usually more than one of them. ::)
I have no idea what precluded the incident seen in the video. I'm willing to bet that the young "lady" was not on her best behavior. She probably wouldn't have been cuffed if she were. I deplore police brutality as much as I deplore the behavior of much of today's society. I can't EVEN begin to tell you how many times I've wanted to smack the snot of of a mouthy teen. Male and female. They seem to think they can say or do virtually anything without reprise. My desire to not ride in the back of Officer Friendly's squad car was the only thing stopping me.
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When this thread goes to the Arena, I'll no longer see it. I wasn't invited back.
Yes, I know it happened in 2013. They managed to bury the truth until the film became part of the civil suit (suite?).
Seems the cop is the son of a former deputy chief.
This has nothing to do with hating or not hating cops. That's so borderline attempted murder, rage not defense, that cop needs to be put away. By all accounts I read, he's remained on the job.
Now flame me with, "the little bitch deserved it".
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Well, in my country (the US of A), you have a guarantee of freedom of speech and an implied freedom of thought. So your views on any situation are as relevant as.... well, anyone else IMO. But it does seem to me that you started this thread just to be inflammatory and you clearly have some definite opinions about what happened and some definite opinions about what you think should happen. Again, fine and well.
At any rate, the part of the video I saw was not an independent action of that LEO, it was very much an interaction between the woman and the LEO. We can certainly discuss who caused what but in my personal opinion, the escalation was the result of her actions; it appears to me that she could have stopped the confrontational behavior at any time (until she kicked him) merely by, well..... stopping. Of course she did stop anyway, people in that situation virtually always are stopped, but she could have stopped before bleeding and requiring dental work. All in my humble opinion of course.
As far as the arena goes, I do not have access and so will not see this thread if / when it is moved there. Normally I would not even respond to such a thread but lately I grow weary of people behaving badly leading to very predictable results, and then take the attitude that the results are entirely independent of their own actions that led to those specific results. At some point in a confrontation with a (or more) LEO's, it should become obvious that the LEO must maintain order with any and all means at his / her disposal. To do otherwise is called anarchy in English and it is a poor state of things IMO.
Brian
When this thread goes to the Arena, I'll no longer see it. I wasn't invited back.
Yes, I know it happened in 2013. They managed to bury the truth until the film became part of the civil suit (suite?).
Seems the cop is the son of a former deputy chief.
This has nothing to do with hating or not hating cops. That's so borderline attempted murder, rage not defense, that cop needs to be put away. By all accounts I read, he's remained on the job.
Now flame me with, "the little bitch deserved it".
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I did not start the thread to be inflammatory. I started the thread to start a boycott of Colorado.
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OK, great. Good luck with that. I absolutely do agree with you that the best way to give or withhold your approval is with your capital rather than your vote.
Brian
I did not start the thread to be inflammatory. I started the thread to start a boycott of Colorado.
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I see no reason this belongs in the Arena as yet. I also see no reason to boycott CO based on this one video or even CO Springs. This is not endemic of all LEOs unless you are aware that all LEO's in CO act like this. If they do, then I don't blame you for not wanting to visit that state. What we have is an officer that clearly has anger management issues and should not still be on the force in CO Springs.
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I think boycotts are a waste of time. If I don't like something I just don't do business with them.
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I think boycotts are a waste of time. If I don't like something I just don't do business with them.
Uh...right. :doh:
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If your going to boycott every state that does something you don't agree with, you are going to be riding your motorcycle around the block. That is if you haven't yet found something in your own state that you don't agree with. Don't look too hard, or you might have to move to a desert island.
If the officer is found to have used unreasonable force, then justice will be served.
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Maybe we should start a list of all the less than stellar incidents that happen in each state. Like all the search and seizures that go on. Many stories of guys getting their cash confiscated when travelling to buy a vehicle.
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Cops don't like bikers, but bikers don't like cops either. I guess that makes us even. However, having been arrested several times, I've learned to be polite and compliant as long as the cops are. Additionally, you rarely win a fight with a cop. That's because there's usually more than one of them. ::)
I'm glad I'm not a biker. I know many cops who ride. Do they not like themselves?
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I would expect the same response if I kicked at a cop. What makes her immune?
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I would expect the same response if I kicked at a cop. What makes her immune?
I've seen fools get a lot more attitude adjustment for much less.
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I'm glad I'm not a biker. I know many cops who ride. Do they not like themselves?
Riding a motorcycle doesn't make someone a biker. If you view the motorcycling community like the military, bikers are the Grunts. There are 2 types of people in the military, Grunts and Pogs. MPs fall under the broad general heading of Pog.
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I lived in the Colorado Springs area for 26 years and the police are no better or worse than anywhere else. Some are excellent and go out of their way to help people and put their lives on the line. Others have less self control like the guy in this video. NO DIFFERENT THAN ANYWHERE ELSE. Don't deprive yourself of some of the best motorcycling in the world because of some viral video.
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I lived in the Colorado Springs area for 26 years and the police are no better or worse than anywhere else. Some are excellent and go out of their way to help people and put their lives on the line. Others have less self control like the guy in this video. NO DIFFERENT THAN ANYWHERE ELSE. Don't deprive yourself of some of the best motorcycling in the world because of some viral video.
Exactly! Well said, Rhino.
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I think boycotts are a waste of time. If I don't like something I just don't do business with them.
Yogi Berra would have been proud of that statement. ;D
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....... I can't EVEN begin to tell you how many times I've wanted to smack the snot of of a mouthy teen. Male and female. They seem to think they can say or do virtually anything without reprise. My desire to not ride in the back of Officer Friendly's squad car was the only thing stopping me.
By the same token, even if the young lady was giving him lip or questioning his ancestry, he had no right to shove her into the seat or body slam her later on. And this was not a situation where the LEO's life and limb were in danger. Something about "to serve and protect"?
I suppose police brutality is an abstract concept until one personally or a near and dear person experiences it. Of course, my opinion here may be colored by the fact that the chick was not unattractive.
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. Of course, my opinion here may be colored by the fact that the chick was not unattractive.
That right there is an interesting statement and the topic of psychological studies. Pretty girls get the benefit of the doubt. Until they turn into real bitches. :o
Saw a video where guys were falling over themselves to help a pretty girl steal a bicycle. One even ignored his wife's insistence on calling the police.
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That right there is an interesting statement and the topic of psychological studies. Pretty girls get the benefit of the doubt. Until they turn into real bitches. :o
Saw a video where guys were falling over themselves to help a pretty girl steal a bicycle. One even ignored his wife's insistence on calling the police.
The wife probably wants to call the cops, even if the fellow just looks at a pretty girl. :)
But it's no secret that good looking folks get extra breaks in every facet of life.
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So I finally watched it. First off let me say that if you provide resistance to the police you may very well get this kind of treatment I figure you are in their house so you do what they say. Now, having said that, from what I can see of the video she did not make contact with him but what he was holding in his hand and his response was way out of proportion to what was needed. I see no problem awarding damages and even getting this guy fired.
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If you wish to boycott our state, please do. that means more space on the roads for us who like it here.
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"you are in their house"
That's an interesting observation. From more story than is shown in the video, I read they went to her house under some supposed "somebody called us about a gun" which turned out to be "no probable cause" and she wound up arrested. 1 possible summation, she was getting drunk at home when the storm troopers showed up, carried her away in handcuffs and beat the **** out of her. Like that could not happen to someone here, other than me.
IMO if you go to someone's house and carry them away in handcuffs, their well being becomes your responsibility. If you needed to put them in leg irons or a straight jacket, and did not bring them, then you are incompetent. At no point, is beating the **** out of them acceptable. It is unprofessional.
I don't know how much traction I will get out of this "Boycott CO" thing, and I am not so naïve to think this doesn't happen in TX. but the nature of my visit to CO would require inner peace and mental and Karmic balance as I was spending +$100 of dollars a day. I just don't think I could block that image from my mind every morning when I got up & went about my day.
Now, if they fire the cop, charge him with assault and filing false reports, and expunge the plea bargained "guilty of assaulting a police officer" from the girls record, I will call it off. It won't negate the fact that they've covered it up for 2 years, but it would at least look like an indication that good people were unaware of the situation.
By the way, North Idaho is a prettier ride than CO. Less people too.
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Now that right there is a true statement. I sometimes even take advantage of those situations even though I know it is wrong.
Kirby
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But it's no secret that good looking folks get extra breaks in every facet of life.
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Hot Privilege. 8)
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Now that right there is a true statement. I sometimes even take advantage of those situations even though I know it is wrong.
Kirby
There, there...my furry friend. Wrong, perhaps in the opinion of the less fortunate. But YOU deserve to walk around with your little rodent tail held high. :chugbeer:
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There, there...my furry friend. Wrong, perhaps in the opinion of the less fortunate. But YOU deserve to walk around with your little rodent tail held high. :chugbeer:
...but be careful who's following too closely...
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I would expect the same response if I kicked at a cop. What makes her immune?
+1
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I would expect the same response if I kicked at a cop. What makes her immune?
She is a woman, sitting down, with her hands cuffed behind her. If she were standing and not already restrained it would be different. I totally understand the cops frustration and anger but he has got to exercise some self control. That's the nature of the job.
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They have to be better than us if they wear a badge. Lord knows, I couldn't do it.
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They have to be better than us if they wear a badge. Lord knows, I couldn't do it.
+1 Exactly!
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This is how you take a stand against "The Man" in Colorado...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbG9i1oGPA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbG9i1oGPA)
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I remember hearing about that. Wonder where he is now?
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I remember hearing about that. Wonder where he is now?
If I remember correctly he died at the scene either by suicide or they did find a way to fire into the cab. I believe he did have some weapons on board and did eventually threaten the police but I could be remembering wrong.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer
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Impressive video, and clearly the gentleman went to a huge amount of effort to build that thing. In the end though, I believe he was using a Komatsu and probably suffered a fob failure.
And now I have the image in my head of that thing coming to rest in the lingerie section of a store with unmentionables hanging off of it.... :o ;D
Brian
This is how you take a stand against "The Man" in Colorado...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbG9i1oGPA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbG9i1oGPA)