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Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: Cold Streak on December 08, 2014, 01:36:39 PM
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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/allow-motorcycle-lane-sharing-all-public-roads/qP86QbjN (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/allow-motorcycle-lane-sharing-all-public-roads/qP86QbjN)
Even if you don't want to do it yourself help out the rest of us. I personally wouldn't do it except at stoplights or true stop and go situations.
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It's just so sad that all the AMA wants to support is no helmets. ::)
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It's riders like these that mess up legal lane splitting for other states. Comments say this was in Atlanta, definitely not in CA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRawjlH8Img&feature=em-share_video_user (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRawjlH8Img&feature=em-share_video_user)
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I don't care where it is, the moron was riding like an idiot. He's putting himself and others in danger. I can't see this (lane splitting) going national as it seems more of a state regulation....not federal. Also, I can't imagine the carnage that would occur if it did go national. Just think of all those car drivers that aren't used to lane splitting seeing someone trying to get ahead of them in a traffic jam on the East coast... ::) Door will open, lanes will narrow, people will get hurt and killed. I can't support this.
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I agree. It would most likely raise the death toll of riders greatly. Car drivers don't see us when we stay in our lanes. Imagine the carnage if every rider was given the right to move between cars. I've seen bicycle messengers in NYC ride like that, but most City traffic moves rather slowly, anyway. Even if passed I won't be doing it, especially on a bike with a full faring and side cases.
Would make insurance rates go through the roof, too.... They are already too high as is.
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I don't care where it is, the moron was riding like an idiot. He's putting himself and others in danger. I can't see this (lane splitting) going national as it seems more of a state regulation....not federal. Also, I can't imagine the carnage that would occur if it did go national. Just think of all those car drivers that aren't used to lane splitting seeing someone trying to get ahead of them in a traffic jam on the East coast... ::) Door will open, lanes will narrow, people will get hurt and killed. I can't support this.
Agree completely. That said, I can see reasonable lane splitting if traffic is going less than 25 mph and you cannot pass while splitting at more then 10 mph faster then the traffic. Seems to work in Europe but I think the average driver is better and or at least more aware of motorcycles.
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Here in the midwest I can see it turning into a new redneck drinking game.
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Agree completely. That said, I can see reasonable lane splitting if traffic is going less than 25 mph and you cannot pass while splitting at more then 10 mph faster then the traffic. Seems to work in Europe but I think the average driver is better and or at least more aware of motorcycles.
Based on how they don't see motorcycles now, I'm not sure I'd agree with that. As a rider driving a car, I can certainly say that I am, but average Joe Schmoe, I don't think so. Plus you have the anger quotient with each other, let alone us trying to get by them. It's a recipe for disaster where I live.. I can see Joe Redneck in his beat up pickup thinking I'll show that so and so and pull out just because he can. All he has to say is 'I didn't see him.'
Where it's already legal they're somewhat used to it but to spring it on the average commuter?
Anyway, I don't trust any car driver when I'm on a bike...
Here in the midwest I can see it turning into a new redneck drinking game.
Yeah, with MC silhouettes on the car door...
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Jim, I now see why you are the admin here. We would have deaths here every day just like you described. Also in my locale, there are so many different ethnics who's best is to herd their gold Camry's between the curbs at half the posted speed limit. Forcing them to see us and understand what we are legally doing will go way beyond their comprehension, when behind the wheel. That's not a prejudiced statement, that comes from 30 years as an out side traveling sales rep. tp
I am in the Houston Tx area.
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I signed it, thanks
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Lane splitting has been going on at all speeds in California forever. From red lights to superslab. No big deal, no stats to show its unsafe, and who cares if you don't want to do it don't. They got old, they got young, they have road rage drivers.
But hey why stop those who want to? I mean just this year I qualified for an AARP card, but i don't believe the government should decide if i wear a helmet nor if i lane split.
But no matter what the laws are I choose to wear a helmet but i lane split like hell in all the states. I'll gladly pay a ticket since my nanny state grumpy old gubment determined I shouldn;t do it (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol8.gif)
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Based on how they don't see motorcycles now, I'm not sure I'd agree with that. As a rider driving a car, I can certainly say that I am, but average Joe Schmoe, I don't think so. Plus you have the anger quotient with each other, let alone us trying to get by them. It's a recipe for disaster where I live.. I can see Joe Redneck in his beat up pickup thinking I'll show that so and so and pull out just because he can. All he has to say is 'I didn't see him.'
Where it's already legal they're somewhat used to it but to spring it on the average commuter?
Anyway, I don't trust any car driver when I'm on a bike...
Yeah, with MC silhouettes on the car door...
This isn't a law forcing YOU to lane split, its about letting those who choose to lane split do it without our usual "citations" ;D. But then again, a few know the good for all ;D
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Let's get back to reality with hard numbers.... not that I'm from the "show-me" state, I just spent time
lane splitting riding in california and saw how its nothing.
http://www.powernationtv.com/post/berkeley-study-finds-motorcycle-lane-splitting-safer-than-ever (http://www.powernationtv.com/post/berkeley-study-finds-motorcycle-lane-splitting-safer-than-ever)
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Lane splitting has been going on at all speeds in California forever. From red lights to superslab. No big deal, no stats to show its unsafe, and who cares if you don't want to do it don't. They got old, they got young, they have road rage drivers.
But hey why stop those who want to? I mean just this year I qualified for an AARP card, but i dpon;t beleive the government should decide if i wear a helmet nor lane split.
But no matter what the laws are I choose to wear a helmet but i lane split like hell in all the states. I'll gladly pay a ticket since my nanny state grumpy old gubment determined I shouldn;t do it (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol8.gif)
No problem with your beliefs. Come to Houston, and try it on I10, 45, or 59. Chance of survival over 180 days, not so good. Areas vary, people vary, I wouldn't split lanes or move through traffic in like manner around here. Here's what happens here with lane splitters. Note the white sheet? he tried to split lanes at speed with a semi. he and I rode up the freeway together, though I didn't know him. He finally sped off, zipping through lanes, and a few minutes later, here he was. It sticks in my mind, as stupidity on his part. At 37, Left a wife and two Kids, now a year ago.
(http://i.imgur.com/i6JApDF.jpg)
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People in Washington can't comprehend turn signals, headlight modulators, nor any vehicle other than a Subaru Forester. They would never understand legalized lane splitting. Drivers here think any bicyclist who advances three feet at a stop light should be arrested.
When Washington passed law that motorcyclists could go through a non-responding red light after two cycles, the local media came out with articles saying "Now legal for motorcyles too run red lights". That got all the mini-van soccer moms and Range Rover rangers up in arms. Imagine what they'd think of lane splitting.
Wouldn't work here.
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No problem with your beliefs. Come to Houston, and try it on I10, 45, or 59. Chance of survival over 180 days, not so good. Areas vary, people vary, I wouldn't split lanes or move through traffic in like manner around here. Here's what happens here with lane splitters. Note the white sheet? he tried to split lanes at speed with a semi. he and I rode up the freeway toghether, though I didn't know him. He finall sped off, zipping through lanes, and a few minutes later, here he was. It sticks in my mind, as stupidity on his part. At 37, Left a wife and two Kids, now a year ago.
(http://i.imgur.com/i6JApDF.jpg)
Yeah we get riders here in FL who crash doing that and everything else recklessly including that. I won;t admit I've safely lane-splitted all around Houston, from the Katy schools district to the freeways to downtown and on the way to Gatlin's BBQ (yum!) ;D
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I used to filter to the front of lights when all the cars were stopped. I moved at like 5 mph while they were stopped. I only had a couple jealous cagers try to play cop by moving their car or feigning opening their door, but most pull up too close to the car in front of them to move over much. This was in central florida in the 1980s.
I have also ridden down the breakdown lane to get to the next exit when the highway came to a standstill. Even passed by a cop stuck in the traffic. Did have one semi truck try to push me into the grass. I just wanted the exit and then told the GPS to avoid highway so I wasn't getting somewhere faster than the someone else. I just wanted to ride.
Just like with helmets. I'm glad there is a choice, even though 99 times out of 100 I am going to chose to wear my helmet.
If lane splitting was legal, I would only use it when necessary.
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I used to filter to the front of lights when all the cars were stopped. I moved at like 5 mph while they were stopped. I only had a couple jealous cagers try to play cop by moving their car or feigning opening their door, but most pull up too close to the car in front of them to move over much. This was in central florida in the 1980s.
I have also ridden down the breakdown lane to get to the next exit when the highway came to a standstill. Even passed by a cop stuck in the traffic. Did have one semi truck try to push me into the grass. I just wanted the exit and then told the GPS to avoid highway so I wasn't getting somewhere faster than the someone else. I just wanted to ride.
Just like with helmets. I'm glad there is a choice, even though 99 times out of 100 I am going to chose to wear my helmet.
If lane splitting was legal, I would only use it when necessary.
+1, that was my point too :)
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Saw my best friend killed because he wasn't wearing a helmet, 41 years ago, like yesterday, still. When I was working at the MC dealership, I had to ride bikes around the lot w/o one. Never felt right, even then. No helmet and local lane splitting will not be a part of my future riding experience. What ever anyone else wants to do, is up to them. I will not judge, as they may have not been through or seen what I have, the things that that have molded my decision. tp
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This subject makes a great dialogue for another crash test dummy video ;D
I signed it. At long red lights way back in line I would happily roll up to the front. With my Glock in plain view!! jk
You can only kinda see it 8)
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Just found this vid. Lane splitting in Europe. Looks like it's an every day affair.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E291QNX3NC0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E291QNX3NC0)
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Just found this vid. Lane splitting in Europe. Looks like it's an every day affair.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E291QNX3NC0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E291QNX3NC0)
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^^^^common in most all countries except US
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Been spending some time in Ca., and I will admit when you first see the splitters, you think they are nuts, and some of them are. But, after a while I started splitting, and have even followed a C-14 motorcop splitting the L.A. traffic that was backed-up for 10 miles. It's a necessity for your sanity. I have also been passed by many jokers splitting lanes at over 100 MPH in heavy traffic, and it seems every day I hear about a biker going down on the commute to work. The cops can't stop those idiots, and I think they just look the other way knowing their DNA will probably not transfer to another generation anyway.
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. The cops can't stop those idiots, and I think they just look the other way knowing their DNA will probably not transfer to another generation anyway.
Or they have already transferred their DNA, and we get to foot the bill raising another generation of good decision makers.
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I don't care where it is, the moron was riding like an idiot. He's putting himself and others in danger. I can't see this (lane splitting) going national as it seems more of a state regulation....not federal. Also, I can't imagine the carnage that would occur if it did go national. Just think of all those car drivers that aren't used to lane splitting seeing someone trying to get ahead of them in a traffic jam on the East coast... ::) Door will open, lanes will narrow, people will get hurt and killed. I can't support this.
I'm with you Jim, I could never support this. The fools around here ride stupid enough without this.
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I used to think it was crazy until I started spending significant amounts of time in SoCal. While it's true that it can be dangerous, so can going 150mph on public motorways. And passing on double yellows. I've seen a significant amount of chatter on here about both.
I'm not advising you to split lanes if it's uncomfortable to you, or to do it at warp speed. Personal choice. I do it virtually every time I ride to/in California. Have done so for YEARS on an Electra Glide. It's a wonderful thing to do when it's 90+ degrees and traffic is bumper to bumper for 50 miles. Yes, I said 50 miles. There aren't very many places where you can experience such a joy.
We have "Constitutional Carry" here in Az. Meaning, if you legally own a handgun, you can carry it virtually anywhere. Concealed if you choose. WITHOUT a permit. Or in plain view. Our murder rate is no higher than cities where there are VERY stringent "gun control" laws. Wow! Imagine that! And no showdowns in the streets.
Let those who RIDE decide. I don't think that the Feds need to be involved, it should be up to the state. Trust me, Chicken Little, the sky will not fall..
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Brilliant!
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Brilliant!
Yes...it is.
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Based on how they don't see motorcycles now, I'm not sure I'd agree with that. As a rider driving a car, I can certainly say that I am, but average Joe Schmoe, I don't think so. Plus you have the anger quotient with each other, let alone us trying to get by them. It's a recipe for disaster where I live.. I can see Joe Redneck in his beat up pickup thinking I'll show that so and so and pull out just because he can. All he has to say is 'I didn't see him.'
Where it's already legal they're somewhat used to it but to spring it on the average commuter?
Anyway, I don't trust any car driver when I'm on a bike...
Yeah, with MC silhouettes on the car door...
I think that's true. I know in France it is a fact of life and drivers get used to it from day one. The years it would take for the average cager to get used to it could be dangerous.
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^^^^common in most all countries except US
+1 But like Jim said, the transition for us could be deadly.
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+1 But like Jim said, the transition for us could be deadly.
Not for 'us'....maybe for them that do.
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Splitting lanes will definitely cause you to be at the top of your game. For me it required undivided attention and acute concentration. After a while it can become mentally exhausting. Its sort of like REALLY "getting it" on a twisty mountain 2-lane. You either know the exact feeling I'm describing or you ride too slow on roads that are not twisty enough. :)
It's not for everyone. Then again, neither are motorcycles. I know a couple of motorcycle cops here in AZ that wish it was legal. It would make getting thru traffic infinitely easier for them when responding to an emergency. It would also enable them to cover more ground in a given time frame.
Resistance to change is common in nearly every area in life. How many people fail to embrace technology because "It just ain't right.", or they "Don't see the need.", or they simply don't understand it? For many, EFI was like voodoo. "Carburetors worked for DECADES! I dont need fuel injection! " The examples could go on ad infinitum.
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Whew, I didn't expect (naively) this much controversy. While I agree that the majority of US drivers are selfish, ignorant, morons, especially compared to drivers in other countries, I also think they can be taught. More of that naivety I suppose. As many have stated, I really just want to get to the front of the line at stoplights and pass through stopped traffic. A small public relations campaign by the AMA or similar could point out that letting motorcycles through allows the line to be shorter for the cars also. Of course there will be a small majority who feel they should try to cause harm to someone who is "getting ahead". I think the transition period from some confusion to public acceptance would be one riding season at the most.
I also detest growing the control of the federal government, but it's already expanded beyond control, and this is actually increasing our freedoms.
I have to admit to lane splitting on a few occasions at a stoplight when the cars are widely spaced and someone stops too far back, allowing me plenty of room to move to the front of the line. If that pisses someone off, too bad. They'll never see me again as I will soon be far down the road ahead of them.
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Of course there will be a small majority who feel they should try to cause harm to someone who is "getting ahead"
That would be half the population.
I think the transition period from some confusion to public acceptance would be one riding season at the most
Then why do we keep seeing the "START SEEING MOTORCYCLES" every year?
just thinking out loud here :)
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We need another of those digital videos like the "Riding with the high beams on" but about lane splitting.
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Yep, bunches of conversations here could use that..
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http://youtu.be/Lr__L3kWsTo (http://youtu.be/Lr__L3kWsTo)
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:rotflmao: :thumbs:
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http://youtu.be/Lr__L3kWsTo (http://youtu.be/Lr__L3kWsTo)
:rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Bobbit with a screw driver.
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That video is great!
I'm going lane splitting tomorrow ;D
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Well done G!!!
:rotflmao:
Who's on first?
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That video is great!
I'm going lane splitting tomorrow ;D
Just as long as you don't split any hare's.
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:rotflmao: That's what I'm talking about!!