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And yet, we've had reports of it bending the key itself.  Glad you guys have had trouble free usage out of it..  I don't have a stove knob on my Indian lol.
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I have as well, Cliff. It is convenient. I have dne it with my 2009 since new. It helps to keep the lock lubed with graphite so it turns easily, and goes in and out easily. I think a lot of the bent stove keys have been a result of poorly maintained gas cap locks. Mine turns easily. I have seen many that don't. Oddly though, on a trip last week I used the key in the fob half the time.
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With only 16,000 miles in 11 years, it just sounds like the owner is not very familiar with the bike.

I have removed my stove 90% of the time when filling up since new. When I pull up to the pump, I automatically turn the key to FSS to shut it off.  After 288,000 miles that's a lot of key removals, I've never had a problem or concern about bending the key.
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Update for all who have been following along. This gets to be a bit detailed so bear with me:

Packed KDS3, PC and supplies then went to Dave's place yesterday. He had the bike plus a spare, loose FI ECU which we'll call ECU B.

Connected KDS up. Looked at Diagnostics. No stored errors. Tried to start the bike. Stove knob mechanism does its thing, unlocks, allows you to turn the key to the middle position. Dash lights all cycle correctly including the FI/Security light, which flashes once. (I bolded this for a reason - we'll get back to it.) Fuel pump and other engine management systems go through their prime/initialization sequence correctly.

Hit the starter and the bike cranks but no start and the FI/Security light flashes rapidly as long as the starter button is engaged. Checked Diagnostics again - no stored codes.

Did an initialization of the FI ECU (the one that came with the bike) as a first step test. "ECU Initialization correct". Still no start.

Looked at the KIPASS Real Time Diagnostics. FOB registration is proper, and there were two stored messages each for steering lock and FI ECU comm errors - but no current stored fault codes.

Swapped that FI ECU for FI ECU B. Upon power-up, got an FI Error message on the dash. Successfully initialized it and the error went away. Still no start.

Looked at the KIPASS Real Time Diagnostics again. The FI ECU comm errors had incremented by one, as would be expected. 

Tried an initialization of the Steering Lock, then both the Steering Lock and FI ECU B together, then Steering Lock and FI ECU A (the bike's original one). Same - no start, no errors, nothing more in the real-time data.

At this point it looks like something which the ECU simply doesn't know how to log. The -08-09 service manual is rather sparse in regards to ECU behavior and a fault tree but the 10-14 gets into a bit more detail. Related to the bolded early on, from page 17-11 in that manual:

"If the problem is with the following parts, the ECU Cannot memorize these problems. the warning indicator (LED) doesn't come on or blinks...etc."

  • Warning Indicator Light
  • Meter Panel LCD
  • Stick Coil Secondary and Ground Wiring
  • ECU Power Source Wiring and Ground Wiring

Doing testing of some of the connectors for voltage requires needle tip adapters for my DMM (an excuse to $pend money on tools...yay). Dave may have some in his shop.

After looking at this problem with the tools, manuals and prior history of what was done with the bike I can identify two possibilities: One is something electromechanical (wiring, sensor, another component) that the KIPASS ECU cannot see or measure. The other is the KIPASS ECU itself. A search on the net for the "Kawasaki FI light flashes; no start" condition gets us into the tip-over sensor and a couple others which may or may not be relevant here. The bolded comment is reflected in a few threads I've found: Everything appears normal upon power-on and ECU initialization but a problem in a connected peripheral or supply line prevents the bike from starting.

So...question for Freddy, Michelle and the rest: If we had an immobilizer failure with the bike, I wouldn't be able to get the stove knob to unlock and the bike to go into initialization/prime mode...correct?

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I very rarely removed the stove knob, but as I recall it was made out of chocolate and bent very easily.  It's possible that's the reason it cannot be removed.
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Introductions / Re: Howdy from Toronto!!
« Last post by Big Red on August 24, 2024, 08:46:21 PM »
Welcome aboard! Hope the forum can be of assistance.
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For Sale / Re: sw-mototech tank bag
« Last post by hank on August 24, 2024, 08:37:05 PM »
Hank here just let me know what you want and we can go from there.
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For Sale / Re: sw-mototech tank bag
« Last post by Chris3058 on August 24, 2024, 06:40:01 PM »
Hank - interested in the sw bag and the liners and possibly your seat you have. Can you PM me? Cheers
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For Sale / Re: Throttlemeister for C14
« Last post by Chris3058 on August 24, 2024, 06:38:43 PM »
Ship to Canada? If so let me know! Chris
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Introductions / Howdy from Toronto!!
« Last post by Chris3058 on August 24, 2024, 06:37:34 PM »
Long time ZX11/12 and current 14 owner. Just picked up my first C14 - a 2011 with low miles and all the goodies including the Shoodaben 91 tune (this Steve guy needs to do them for the 14 lol - it’s well done!!)Love this bike for the long rides…much easier on my older frame!

Cheers everyone.

Chris

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