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Offline katata1100

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Re: Info for Rotella Lovers
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2012, 11:25:21 AM »
I used to use Rotella 5-40 in my suzuki and Jetta TDI. A shop that specialized in VW TDI repair noticed a a growing number of TDI's  coming in with bad turbos. They had two things in common:
1) Shaft had bluing
2) Owners all used the reformulated Rotella 5-40 (which has less zddp)
I did an oil change with new rotella and clutch was grabby, shifting was notchy, switched to Maxima, all was better.
As for expensive oil oil, yeah, it is easy to spend $11 a qt, but I went to an oil wholeseller who also sells to the public and I get Redline bike oil, 10-40 for under $8 a qt.
It is a fact that rotella will shear down to a 30w oil, that is the VI stuff being broken down. It is also a fact that Kawa recommends a warm viscosity of at least 40w. However, in all honesty, I have yet to see an oil analysis of rotella (sheared down to a 5-30) showing elevated wear metals. In fact, you could probably run a high quality 5-30w synthetic with no ill effects. I saw a oil analysis of a ZX 14 where, after 1800 miles, the Rotella sheered to a 30w. Yet, metal levels (wear) were still in the acceptable range-go figure.
I think the most common reason for using Rotella is to save $ and people who do use it will often add that they change it often, maybe every 3500.  I change my oil every 7000 miles or once a year, so that probably brings the end cost down to closer what it would cost if I used Rotella  with changes every 3500 miles (I forget how much that stuff costs).

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Re: Info for Rotella Lovers
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2012, 11:37:47 AM »
I have never used Rotella, but I did use dino oil for the first couple of changes on the C-14 and then switched to syn. The difference in the shifting was night and day. No more clunking. I will stick with syn. I use Royal Purple - expensive but WTH.

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Re: Info for Rotella Lovers
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2012, 09:47:58 PM »
Is this an oil thread  :D



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Re: Info for Rotella Lovers
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2012, 01:45:51 PM »
IMO  most engine wear generally occurs at start up .
ALL oils will deterate with time 
HIGH gasoline content in the oil is generally a sign fuel injector not shutting completly when the engine is switched off and it drips a bit into the combution area given time it leaks past the rings

If anyone is worried about a 20-40 going to a 30  just start with a 20-50 or 15-50 next time

When the cost of oil changes  worries anyone they should go and earn some more $$$ and foget about it 
BY the way I use MOBIL ONE GOLD CAP witch cost me $99 for 5 litre in Australia so do not bitch about $11 a quart oil !! A new Kawasaki 1400 is about $24,000 in Australia .

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Re: Info for Rotella Lovers
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2012, 03:43:20 PM »
mobile 1 4t at a little over 6 bucks a quart, how can you go wrong?  using rotella over this to save how much?  foolish.

http://www.amazon.com/Mobil-98JA11-Racing-10W-40-Motorcycle/dp/B004U8JH84

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Re: Info for Rotella Lovers
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2012, 04:28:31 PM »
mobile 1 4t at a little over 6 bucks a quart, how can you go wrong?  using rotella over this to save how much?  foolish.

http://www.amazon.com/Mobil-98JA11-Racing-10W-40-Motorcycle/dp/B004U8JH84

Am I missing something. Does that not work out to be almost $10 a quart? Still not a bad deal compared to the $15-$16 in these parts.
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Re: Info for Rotella Lovers
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2012, 05:44:38 PM »
Am I missing something. Does that not work out to be almost $10 a quart? Still not a bad deal compared to the $15-$16 in these parts.
Frank, you are just bad at math.  It's simple:  $59 / 6qts = just over $6 per quart.  Got it now?
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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2012, 07:04:20 PM »
Frank, you are just bad at math.  It's simple:  $59 / 6qts = just over $6 per quart.  Got it now?

Where are you buying M-1 4T for that price?  Wallymart gets almost $10 per qt.  I can get Maxima 15w-50 online for about $11 per - so I choose it.

BTW, I go with 5000 mile OCI's and the Maxima is still a 40 weight, plus it starts out with 3800 ppm of ZDDP which is 4 times the amount in any other oil on the market.  Rotella T and 6T now has only about 900 ppm of ZDDP with it's new formulation (CJ-4 vs older CI-4 standard)  Consider: if you are using 3000 mile OCI's with Rotella 6T at $6 per qt. you are about the same as using more expensive oil with longer OCI's.

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Re: Info for Rotella Lovers
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2012, 09:23:24 PM »
Frank, you are just bad at math.  It's simple:  $59 / 6qts = just over $6 per quart.  Got it now?

American math must be different than Canadian math....$9.83 by my made in China calculator. ;)   
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Re: Info for Rotella Lovers
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2012, 09:48:54 PM »
Frank, you are just bad at math.  It's simple:  $59 / 6qts = just over $6 per quart.  Got it now?

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Re: Info for Rotella Lovers
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2012, 10:17:08 PM »
Just curious but did you read the thread at the link you posted? Sure the Rotella lost viscosity but what is the norm. or average? In fact some of the other posters said that other 10W-40 weight oils show about the same viscosity after a bit of use in a motorcycle. Also, did you notice the gasoline content in the second sample? That alone will thin any oil regardless of the base weight.

The quality or suitability of Rotella mineral oil to be used in a C-14 aside, that link does not show anything definitive because there is no comparison to other oils. Again, the only way an oil can really be measured is compared with other oils because all oil will pick up contaminates, thin down and lose additives; the only real question is which oil performs better than the average, or better yet, which oil performs best.

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Re: Info for Rotella Lovers
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2012, 11:01:05 PM »
American math must be different than Canadian math....$9.83 by my made in China calculator. ;)
The math is the same. It's the "just over" part that is different.
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Re: Info for Rotella Lovers
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2012, 11:55:43 PM »
The math is the same. It's the "just over" part that is different.

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Re: Info for Rotella Lovers
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2012, 04:12:57 AM »
Are we talking US Quarts or British Quarts?    :o  ???  ::)  ;D  :-X
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« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2012, 04:29:04 AM »
Someone say 'British Quarts'?  :)
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Re: Info for Rotella Lovers
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2012, 04:33:52 AM »
Mind your P's and Q's Jim.

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Re: Info for Rotella Lovers
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2012, 07:17:14 AM »
After reading the oilguy thread I come away with the impression that no 10W40 oil is good enuff as far as shear resistance. But no hard evidence since the link to the actaul data is broken. I just requested a blackstone kit and will get a test when my Rotella is ripe, currently at 4572. I usually change at 6000 but may go at 5000 if I get the kit in time. Then I will run some designer oil for the same miles and do another test. My 08 is at 71,000 miles and I have always used SRT 5W40 except for the first change at 600 using Kawi Dino and one change at about 50,000 using Motul Synth 10W40.
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Re: Info for Rotella Lovers
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2012, 07:21:29 AM »
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Re: Info for Rotella Lovers
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2012, 09:03:26 AM »
dont know how i screwed u p the simple math but even at 9 bucks a quart its not worth going to anything slightly cheaper.

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Re: Info for Rotella Lovers
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2012, 09:11:15 AM »
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