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Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: DannyL on June 14, 2011, 07:23:05 PM
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BRP Can-Am Spyder IS NOT A MOTORCYCLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you can stop at a light, not put your feet down and it doesn't fall over IT'S NOT A MOTORCYCLE!
If it doesn't lean into a corner IT'S NOT A MOTORCYCLE!
If it's has more than two wheels IT'S NOT A MOTORCYCLE! (exclusion being a side car)
If it doesn't wheelie IT'S NOT A MOTORCYCLE! (yes 2-3" counts as a wheelie)
If it's as wide as a small car IT'S NOT A MOTORCYCLE!
If it doesn't have a side stand IT'S NOT A MOTORCYCLE!
If I say it's not a motorcycle then IT'S NOT A F$%^ING MOTORCYCLE!
Rant done................. :-X
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In Texas, it's a motorcycle.
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In Texas, it's a motorcycle.
Maybe legally, but not to me . . . see above.
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So fine, don't buy one, don't ride one. If you win one in a contest, refuse to accept it. And if one horrible day you wake up with an injury or illness that prevents you from ever again riding on 2 wheels anymore, be sure you don't buy one then either. Who really cares?
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So fine, don't buy one, don't ride one. If you win one in a contest, refuse to accept it. And if one horrible day you wake up with an injury or illness that prevents you from ever again riding on 2 wheels anymore, be sure you don't buy one then either. Who really cares?
:goodpost:
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If you straddle the seat it's a motorcycle. The ride is differant, but it's a ride none the less.
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If you straddle the seat it's a motorcycle. The ride is differant, but it's a ride none the less.
The means a bicycle is a motorcycle too? ;D
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The means a bicycle is a motorcycle too? ;D
I'm pretty sure that "motorcycle" implies a motor, but I am loathe to classify a bicycle with an add-on motor as a motorcycle...
Why all the exclusion? Does the existence of these things aggravate a physical condition I'm unaware of that causes some people to have debilitating pain?
I think they're brilliant. Some people who would not otherwise ride a motorcycle may ride one of these. Sure, it's not the same, but they behave almost EXACTLY like a bike with a hack. Just because alot of people believe something doesn't make it true. Just ask anybody about somebody else's religion... ;D
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DannyL - you are in Quebec. Check out what your government has to say about it.
http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/driver_licence/threewheeled_moto/definition.php (http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/driver_licence/threewheeled_moto/definition.php)
I am going to seriously look at one for two up riding.
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So, it seems then that we have motorcycles, and three-wheeled motorcycles.
Although, and it pains me to say this, it seems like the MP3 may be more of a three-wheeled motorcycle than any of the others, minus the hack, of course.
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Well, a motorcycle isn't a "bike", either. Since "bike" is the diminutive of "bicycle", then by the same rule, the diminutive of "motorcycle" is "mote". So, who rides a mote?
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Well, really, I think a motorcycle IS a bicycle. I think motorcycle might be an alteration of the word bicycle. Interestingly, Indian used to use "motocycle", so perhaps I ride a Moto?
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http://www.realdictionary.com/?q=motorcycle (http://www.realdictionary.com/?q=motorcycle)
http://www.wordnik.com/words/motorcycle (http://www.wordnik.com/words/motorcycle)
http://www.definitions.net/definition/motorcycle (http://www.definitions.net/definition/motorcycle)
These seem to support the motor plus bicycle theme, but also support the two wheels or else theme...
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If the rider is out in the cold and heat, does he not have to deal with it?
If the rider is in the rain, does he not have to wear rain gear to keep from getting wet?
If the rider has an accident, does he not face the same injuries?
:o
It's road worthy, it has no options for doors, roof, heat and A/C. It may have three wheels, but it sounds a lot like a motorcycle to me. It may not lean and has one more wheel. But all the other attributes are more motorcycle than and automobile or equivalent!
I've seen (for example) GoldWing"s and Harley's with a trike kit because the riders can't do two wheels anymore. Does that all of a sudden mean it's not a bike?
When I was in Fontana in 09 for the national. We came across an older couple who had their brand new C14 on it's side, because his knees couldn't support the bike at that moment. He had been riding for many, many years, but was having problems now. People like this a lot of time move on to a trike or such to keep riding. They like to be in the wind. DO they not deserve to be on a motorcycle. Or because they need the support of the third wheel, is it no longer considered riding? ???
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I've seen (for example) GoldWing"s and Harley's with a trike kit because the riders can't do two wheels anymore. Does that all of a sudden mean it's not a bike?
A bike is a bike. A trike is a trike. And a snowmobile with wheels is a Can-Am Spyder.........................
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I have a honda dirt bike in my garage. No side stand though; what the heck is it?
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Motor-Cycle...
(http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a411/snarf1971/f88662668274.jpg?t=1308137539)
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Just because you have a NARROW mind, does that mean you don't have a mind? Like I've said before, Ford's and Chevy's, you don't like it don't buy it, but ranting about it only makes you fit into the "Harley are the only bike" crowd.
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I've seen (for example) GoldWing"s and Harley's with a trike kit because the riders can't do two wheels anymore. Does that all of a sudden mean it's not a bike?
A bike is a bike. A trike is a trike. And a snowmobile with wheels is a Can-Am Spyder.........................
So a bike with a side car is not a bike. It's a trike?
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If you look at the definition of 'cycle', the one thing you see is roughly this definition:
any complete round or series of occurrences that repeats or is repeated
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It is also simply defined as circle, ring, and wheel.
Underneath that definition come bicycle, motorcycle, tricycle, unicycle. These "cycles" all meet that definition. It is further defined by the first part of the word. Motorcycle, Bicycle, Tricycle, Unicycle.
So the definition of of the Can Am can be debated. Technically it may be called a motorcycle, but it just as easily be called a trike, like a Goldwing that has been modified to run with two rear wheels. So while we may call it a trike, technically it is called a motorcycle. Really a tricycle is a cycle with three wheels and no motor. JMNSHO
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I can see riding a trike or Can Am When I'm an old crippled wreck. [might be next week]
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In OHIO you have to have a endorsement on your drivers license for a Motorcycle, they do offer a "Three Wheeled Motorcycle" if you obtain the "Three Wheeled Motorcycle" endorsement it's only good for that, however if you obtain your "motorcycle" endorsement you can ride both.
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Couple of reasons keep me from getting one....
(1) More money than I care to spend at this time.
(2) Takes up more room than I have to spare in my garage.
What makes me giggle when topics like this raise to the surface or when I hear some snide comment about sidecar equipped bikes being for the infirm or feeble. If you have never rode a sidecar equipped bike you are in for quite the eye opening surprise when you do as they are not easy to steer at all and have quite the learning curve and to ride them with any amount speed requires skills that are just as hard if not harder than riding a motorcycle. When you put two steering tires out front you do make the "bike" so much more stable but it does still require both strength and skill to ride them fast.
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A few months ago the AMA-American Motorcylist Assoc. posed this question to readers and pretty much the same comments were made in the letters to the editor and the articles it generated. Right now I can't remember the main reason the AMA brought it up but I think it had to do with laws pertaining to all motorcylcists. Anybody remember the articles?
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When you put two steering tires out front you do make the "bike" so much more stable but it does still require both strength and skill to ride them fast.
Hey T, you can get em with power steering.
This vehicle would be my backup plan if my knees, or whatever, get too crappy to feel confident on two wheels.
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If the rider is out in the cold and heat, does he not have to deal with it?
If the rider is in the rain, does he not have to wear rain gear to keep from getting wet?
If the rider has an accident, does he not face the same injuries?
:o
It's road worthy, it has no options for doors, roof, heat and A/C. It may have three wheels, but it sounds a lot like a motorcycle to me. It may not lean and has one more wheel. But all the other attributes are more motorcycle than and automobile or equivalent!
I've seen (for example) GoldWing"s and Harley's with a trike kit because the riders can't do two wheels anymore. Does that all of a sudden mean it's not a bike?
When I was in Fontana in 09 for the national. We came across an older couple who had their brand new C14 on it's side, because his knees couldn't support the bike at that moment. He had been riding for many, many years, but was having problems now. People like this a lot of time move on to a trike or such to keep riding. They like to be in the wind. DO they not deserve to be on a motorcycle. Or because they need the support of the third wheel, is it no longer considered riding? ???
Great post! :goodpost: I have a buddy, life-long rider who a few years ago due to knee problems either had to go with 3 wheels or give up riding completely. He's still riding and happy to be able to. He damn well thinks he's still a biker!
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Hey T, you can get em with power steering.
This I did not know but sort of expected it could or has been done.
I'd like to see more done with the leaning concept as that will bring in an entirely new riding experiance; will be costly though......
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So a bike with a side car is not a bike. It's a trike?
In my book it's a bike that takes a specialized set of skills to ride...... Overcook a right hand turn and you will soon find out the you can't just grab some brakes as it will shoot you right out and into oncoming traffic; you must stay in the gas use some front brake and lots of body english and/or learn to fly the car which is a scary balancing act again not for the feeble.
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If a sidecar equipped bike is on 2 wheels what do you call it?
According to Vena, fun!
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Personally, if I couldn't ride a motorcycle anymore, I'd get a convertible Smart car before I'd consider a motorized trike of either the conventional or Can Am configuration. I could care less if others ride them but they aren't my thing.
Now if it has wings, I'm fine with three wheels!
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Rudyard Kipling
We and They
"A Friend of the Family"
From "Debits and Credits"(1919-1923)
Father and Mother, and Me,
Sister and Auntie say
All the people like us are We,
And every one else is They.
And They live over the sea,
While We live over the way,
But-would you believe it? --They look upon We
As only a sort of They!
We eat pork and beef
With cow-horn-handled knives.
They who gobble Their rice off a leaf,
Are horrified out of Their lives;
While they who live up a tree,
And feast on grubs and clay,
(Isn't it scandalous? ) look upon We
As a simply disgusting They!
We shoot birds with a gun.
They stick lions with spears.
Their full-dress is un-.
We dress up to Our ears.
They like Their friends for tea.
We like Our friends to stay;
And, after all that, They look upon We
As an utterly ignorant They!
We eat kitcheny food.
We have doors that latch.
They drink milk or blood,
Under an open thatch.
We have Doctors to fee.
They have Wizards to pay.
And (impudent heathen!) They look upon We
As a quite impossible They!
All good people agree,
And all good people say,
All nice people, like Us, are We
And every one else is They:
But if you cross over the sea,
Instead of over the way,
You may end by (think of it!) looking on We
As only a sort of They!
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BRP Can-Am Spyder IS NOT A MOTORCYCLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you can stop at a light, not put your feet down and it doesn't fall over IT'S NOT A MOTORCYCLE!
If it doesn't lean into a corner IT'S NOT A MOTORCYCLE!
If it's has more than two wheels IT'S NOT A MOTORCYCLE! (exclusion being a side car)
If it doesn't wheelie IT'S NOT A MOTORCYCLE! (yes 2-3" counts as a wheelie)
If it's as wide as a small car IT'S NOT A MOTORCYCLE!
If it doesn't have a side stand IT'S NOT A MOTORCYCLE!
If I say it's not a motorcycle then IT'S NOT A F$%^ING MOTORCYCLE!
Rant done................. :-X
+1
They rate down there with Hardly-Ableson in my book :o
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Maybe legally, but not to me . . . see above.
We live in a legal world. The definition is probably not up to you.
You could call a dog a pig. But why, when the rest of the world knows it as a dog. :-\
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We live in a legal world. The definition is probably not up to you.
You could call a dog a pig. But why, when the rest of the world knows it as a dog. :-\
. . . and you could call a Spyder a motorcycle, but I will call it a 3-wheeled go-kart thingie ;D
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You guys are as bad as the Harley guys and the Harley bashers both, you know, with the refusing to accept reality thing... :P
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Since I'm new to the forum(s) none of you know me yet. I love controversy, I like to stir things up a bit and get what I deserve for doing it.
I’m just an ordinary middle aged guy with an average vocabulary and I love to debate.
I do take peoples opinions very seriously and most of the time respect them. That is not to say I’m not pig headed, ask my wife.
I get the impression that the average age of a Connie rider is somewhere in the 40-50. Therefore I feel like I’m in the right place to have decent debates on various subjects and the Spyder post is just an ice breaker.
Do I like the Spyder? NO! Do I care if someone wants to buy and ride one? NO.
My definition of a “motorcycle” is pretty clear to all of you I’m sure, but that doesn’t make me right. I guess maybe I’m less of a “rider” than I think I am, because the day I can’t hold up my motorcycle I think I’ll just hang up my helmet and call it quits.
Most of my life’s greatest moments (excluding wife, kids and such) have been on a motorcycle. Most of my life’s worst moments (excluding divorce and such) have been at the helm of a motorcycle as well. So I know I’m a “real” 2 wheel motorcyclist. Later on will I change my mind about 3 wheels? Who knows, time will tell.
Someone compared me to a Harley hater. I’m not a Harley hater, I’m an attitude hater.
I hate stuck up “I’m better than you cause I have a Harley attitude”. I read a sticker the other day that said “20 miles and $20000 don’t make you a biker” and I think that about sums it up. I’ll ride with anyone if they have mufflers! I’ll ride with anyone that has “the” passion.
So now that you all know I’m just a poop agitator and like to stir some up, any one have a good subject??? :D
Lol
Danny
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40-50! Is that why most of this board sounds like my parents? LOL. I'm 28. I vote democrat and favor gay marriage. I don't believe that anything is worth the energy I have to expend to hate it. Except commies, hippies, and people trying to shoot me, of course. I have never seen a motorcycle, scooter, sidecar, or trike I wouldn't like to ride, at least for a few hundred miles. :) I have never seen a group I would not like to ride with, at least for a few hundred miles. :)
NOW who doesn't like that? There seems to be a lot of dislike around these boards... hehehe...
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Since I'm new to the forum(s) none of you know me yet. I love controversy, I like to stir things up a bit and get what I deserve for doing it.
I’m just an ordinary middle aged guy with an average vocabulary and I love to debate.
I do take peoples opinions very seriously and most of the time respect them. That is not to say I’m not pig headed, ask my wife.
I get the impression that the average age of a Connie rider is somewhere in the 40-50. Therefore I feel like I’m in the right place to have decent debates on various subjects and the Spyder post is just an ice breaker.
Do I like the Spyder? NO! Do I care if someone wants to buy and ride one? NO.
My definition of a “motorcycle” is pretty clear to all of you I’m sure, but that doesn’t make me right. I guess maybe I’m less of a “rider” than I think I am, because the day I can’t hold up my motorcycle I think I’ll just hang up my helmet and call it quits.
Most of my life’s greatest moments (excluding wife, kids and such) have been on a motorcycle. Most of my life’s worst moments (excluding divorce and such) have been at the helm of a motorcycle as well. So I know I’m a “real” 2 wheel motorcyclist. Later on will I change my mind about 3 wheels? Who knows, time will tell.
Someone compared me to a Harley hater. I’m not a Harley hater, I’m an attitude hater.
I hate stuck up “I’m better than you cause I have a Harley attitude”. I read a sticker the other day that said “20 miles and $20000 don’t make you a biker” and I think that about sums it up. I’ll ride with anyone if they have mufflers! I’ll ride with anyone that has “the” passion.
So now that you all know I’m just a poop agitator and like to stir some up, any one have a good subject??? :D
Lol
Danny
Take it to the arena. You will get lots there!
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Neighbor came down the road the other day with the blade down on his John Deere model "B". A model "B" is a three wheel tractor, it has no roof, it has no trunk, the driver is exposed to the elements. It is a fookin tractor.
One wheel = wheelbarrow or unicycle
Two wheels = [bi]cycle
Two wheels + motor = motorcycle
Two wheels + motor + bolt-on and removable sidecar = motorcycle with sidecar (AKA: A hack)
Three wheels = antique ATV, or John Deer Model "B", or Cessna "Land-O-Matic", or some fookin Yuppie scoot-mobile I-wanna-be a motorcycle dood please-oh-please can I huh huh even if I wear a helmet....
Four wheels = Coffin (view Aerostich catalog, T-shirt section), or roller skate.
Rick
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Neighbor came down the road the other day with the blade down on his John Deere model "B". A model "B" is a three wheel tractor, it has no roof, it has no trunk, the driver is exposed to the elements. It is a fookin tractor.
One wheel = wheelbarrow or unicycle
Two wheels = [bi]cycle
Two wheels + motor = motorcycle
Two wheels + motor + bolt-on and removable sidecar = motorcycle with sidecar (AKA: A hack)
Three wheels = antique ATV, or John Deer Model "B", or Cessna "Land-O-Matic", or some fookin Yuppie scoot-mobile I-wanna-be a motorcycle dood please-oh-please can I huh huh even if I wear a helmet....
Four wheels = Coffin (view Aerostich catalog, T-shirt section), or roller skate.
Rick
http://www.retiredtractors.com/Modelb.html (http://www.retiredtractors.com/Modelb.html)
That there tractor has got four wheels, bub.
A Plymouth Silver King has three wheels...
http://www.silverkingtractors.com/SKpics/samp/samp2.jpg (http://www.silverkingtractors.com/SKpics/samp/samp2.jpg)
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http://www.retiredtractors.com/Modelb.html (http://www.retiredtractors.com/Modelb.html)
That there tractor has got four wheels, bub.
Not my neighbors:
(http://www.retiredtractors.com/Popper/Images/BN-late.jpg)
Top pix: http://www.retiredtractors.com/Popper/Bvar.html (http://www.retiredtractors.com/Popper/Bvar.html)
Rick
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So, does this three wheeler count as a motorcycle then?
http://www.royalenfields.com/2010/12/royal-enfield-three-wheeled-motorcycle.html (http://www.royalenfields.com/2010/12/royal-enfield-three-wheeled-motorcycle.html)
I was trying to find a local 3 wheel conversion, and found this one instead:
http://www.3wheelers.com/projgal1.html (http://www.3wheelers.com/projgal1.html)
It has a Kawasaki engine at least.
Dunno how the local guy has avoided the google bots, but imagine a 70's era indycar with everything behind the seat replaced with a 70's era regular, non-harley motorcycle (sans front forks/wheel). I really wish I had snapped a photo... it was pretty cool looking
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Not my neighbors:
(http://www.retiredtractors.com/Popper/Images/BN-late.jpg)
Top pix: http://www.retiredtractors.com/Popper/Bvar.html (http://www.retiredtractors.com/Popper/Bvar.html)
Rick
My dad and I used to have an old John Deere 70. We replaced the dual front tricycle wheels with a much fatter single one, which helped a bit in our case. That tractor liked to run and run and run... pretty impressive for a two cylinder! It was propane powered, and the tank was specially modified so that the steering shaft passed directly through the tank from the back to the front!
Very similar to this one:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16507580@N02/3775101059/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16507580@N02/3775101059/#)
We also had a Farmall 'M' for a bit...
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Dunno how the local guy has avoided the google bots, but imagine a 70's era indycar with everything behind the seat replaced with a 70's era regular, non-harley motorcycle (sans front forks/wheel). I really wish I had snapped a photo... it was pretty cool looking
I've seen one, just caught a glimpse as it rode by. 'Cept the rear part appeared to be a more modern sport bike. Google turned up nothing.
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So fine, don't buy one, don't ride one. If you win one in a contest, refuse to accept it. And if one horrible day you wake up with an injury or illness that prevents you from ever again riding on 2 wheels anymore, be sure you don't buy one then either. Who really cares?
AMEN!!!
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This is a car-
(http://www.unfinishedman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Morgan-3-Wheeler-e1298674554142.jpg)
.......but I still think Spyders are cool.
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Tonight I brought my son to his soccer game and we walked past a semi gloss black Spyder. I tried to keep an open mind and look for the things I liked about it.
To be VERY honest it didn't appeal to me in the least. Now I know you're all saying "so it's not your cup of tea, move on"
So I had an brilliant idea. I'm going to head down to the local Spyder dealer (where ever that is) and test drive one.
I'm going to try for this weekend and see if it's possible.
Then I'll report back to you good folks with my first hand experience!
Wish me luck!
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As for the Spyder, call what you will. Have you ever ridden one? I was able to take one on a demo ride at a bike rally and it was a blast. Half way through the ride it started to rain and then hail. No issues with stability or the fear of losing control. It does have power steering and antilock brakes. My wife had an accident on a motorcycle and has no desire to pilot one again, but she does want a Spyder. One may be in our future. If it gets her to ride than I am all for it.
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As for the Spyder, call what you will. Have you ever ridden one? I was able to take one on a demo ride at a bike rally and it was a blast. Half way through the ride it started to rain and then hail. No issues with stability or the fear of losing control. It does have power steering and antilock brakes. My wife had an accident on a motorcycle and has no desire to pilot one again, but she does want a Spyder. One may be in our future. If it gets her to ride than I am all for it.
Huh look at the post just before your's..................... ;)
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This is a car-
(http://www.unfinishedman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Morgan-3-Wheeler-e1298674554142.jpg)
.......but I still think Spyders are cool.
Anything Morgan three-wheeler related is cool, just so everybody is aware.