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Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: gpzrocker on October 18, 2012, 07:21:58 PM
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http://xtremesportsphotography.photoreflect.com/store/Orderpage.aspx?pi=0QAK01AY080008&po=8&pc=28 (http://xtremesportsphotography.photoreflect.com/store/Orderpage.aspx?pi=0QAK01AY080008&po=8&pc=28)
Around pic #19 it gets really really ugly.
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Ouch.................
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Yet another reason I won't ride it again...
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Yet another reason I won't ride it again...
why?
do you make a habit of crossing the centerline, totally out of control, and expecting it to be acceptable?
sorry, but that dork shouldn't be on ANY ROAD, let alone 129.
that retard was being DOUCHe for the 9 photos preceding the center line crossing.....go back and look http://xtremesportsphotography.photoreflect.com/store/Orderpage.aspx?pi=0QAK01AY080008&po=8&pc=28 (http://xtremesportsphotography.photoreflect.com/store/Orderpage.aspx?pi=0QAK01AY080008&po=8&pc=28)
"hey y'all....looky here, I'm waving to the camera dude.......yep, I'm coming into a blind r/h turn hot, waving at the camera dude, toatally upright, and staring at the camera dude.........yep........oooooops......"
I feel sorry for the Vette owner, and if it was my car, I would have walked over and flicked my bic on his bike..... ::) then kicked him in the nutz.
oh, I have waived to the cam dude, and actually gave him the "ADV Salute" on the very same turn, 2 up, and didn't wreck http://community.webshots.com/photo/fullsize/2863713730015463693SnhUBP (http://community.webshots.com/photo/fullsize/2863713730015463693SnhUBP)
......what a douchebag....
(http://thumb13.webshots.net/t/86/86/7/13/73/2863713730015463693SnhUBP_th.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2863713730015463693SnhUBP)
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- looks like he ran out of cornering clearance ... and was unlucky (or lucky) that it was a vette on the opposite side and not a lorry.
- going past the median (double yellow , this) is a big no for roads like this. Actually , try not to even ride near the median.
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- looks like he ran out of cornering clearance ... and was unlucky (or lucky) that it was a vette on the opposite side and not a lorry.
no, he ran out of common sense.....
but likely he didn't have any to bgin with....
actually WE are unlucky it wasn't a Lorry.....the dude will probably do this again, and he could take out one of my friends and fellow COG'rs in that corner....
Darwin-ism is a GOOD thing....lets just keep that in mind. ::) ::) ::)
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Well who the heck pee'd in your Cheerios Capt Sunshine? ::)
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Pure and simple target fixation. Notice when he hit the brakes? See his bike straighten up as he approached? I wonder if he was muttering "Watch this" as he waved at the camera? 8)
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Well who the heck pee'd in your Cheerios Capt Sunshine? ::)
heheheheh
I am alive, and can say on 3 occaisions, had that same dude cross the c/l on my on the dragon....him or some other challenged relative of his.... :nuts:
luckily I had my wits about me, and survived ;D ;) :rotflmao: :thumbs:
all good, just don't want folks to think he didn't deserve the outcome.
again, Darwin-ism. :thumbs: :hail: :deadhorse: :stirpot:
... I wonder if he was muttering "Watch this" as he waved at the camera? 8)
yep....but more like "looky here, hey dude.....hey dude....HEY DUDE....LOOKY HERE.....aw $#!+...."
not uncommon, same mind set usually starts out with "hey dude, hold my beer, and watch this....." ::) 8) ;)
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Pure and simple target fixation. Notice when he hit the brakes? See his bike straighten up as he approached?
- perhaps it starts with too hot an entry speed (showboating for the camera man).
- then he finds that he's run out of cornering clearance.
- stands the bike up and applies the brakes.
- too late as the car is there already.
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- the "stand the bike up to brake" is actually taught to riders somewhere when dealing with going into a corner too hot.
- not too sure that its such a great idea though.
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sumpin comes to mind about "look where you want your front tire to go to".... ::) ;D and "point your chin to a spot 100 feet from you, where you want to be in 2 seconds"... :o 8)
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no, he ran out of common sense.....
- seriously , all of us have probably done what he did there. Just different consequences depending on our luck.
- its the learning from mistakes and training how to deal with things like these which separates the old riders from the bold riders.
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- perhaps it starts with too hot an entry speed (showboating for the camera man).
- then he finds that he's run out of cornering clearance.
- stands the bike up and applies the brakes.
- too late as the car is there already.
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- the "stand the bike up to brake" is actually taught to riders somewhere when dealing with going into a corner too hot.
- not too sure that its such a great idea though.
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I'm purely speculatin here, but I really doubt he was think about standing the bike up. No doubt his line was all wrong and I'd bet that sudden grinding sound and greasy feeling contributed to the impending flight lesson. This was the outcome of showboatin, maybe he mistook the headlight for a camera? "Smile, Darwin is waiting" ;)
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- short personal story : i remember when i just started riding many years back. A good friend who's an experienced rider gave me a bit of advice : "things happen very fast on a bike".
- cut to now : just take a look at those couple of photos. See how quick the situation changes from a nice exciting dive into a corner to flying off your bike into the unknown.
- ride safe !
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- seriously , all of us have probably done what he did there. Just different consequences depending on our luck.
- its the learning from mistakes and training how to deal with things like these which separates the old riders from the bold riders.
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bwaaaaahaaaaaaahaaaaaa.......
there is no such thing as luck.....it's karma. :battle:
in his case, it was a failure. :banghead: :deadhorse:
and MOST of us have not done what HE did, because we can still walk without crutches. :thumbs: :hail:
Old is just a relative thing....I'm old. But younger than a lot of riders I know....that still can walk.....and have not run cross center into a Corvette....ON FILM>>>>>> :nuts: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
bold riders don't last long.....
but you are right, I'm sure he learned a LOT from that mistake..... :'(
- short personal story : i remember when i just started riding many years back. A good friend who's an experienced rider gave me a bit of advice : "things happen very fast on a bike".
- cut to now : just take a look at those couple of photos. See how quick the situation changes from a nice exciting dive into a corner to flying off your bike into the unknown.
- ride safe !
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there are 9 frames being shot prior to his demise, and 3 from on course to crash.....the cam was rolling....he just puked.
yes things happen fast......don't wave at camera's in a blind right turn.....
I noted above, with a photo, that I had time to flip off the cam dude in that same turn.... no crash. ;)
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- am aspiring to be a better rider all the time. Am just hoping the lessons learnt are remembered and mistakes made are not fatal.
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Comes around a corner.
"Ooh, there's the camera guy, gotta wave!"
Wave.
Smile.
Wave.
Wave.
"O crap, CURVE! Must lever the tiller handle without haste."
Rick
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Yea, he made a basic mistake and paid the price. A good lesson here for all of us. The guy freaked and stood the bike up. The rest is history. When things go to crap on a motorcycle they go to crap real fast. We must be focused at all times when riding.
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Rich, I can control my riding abilities, for the most part. I can't control others. The Dragon has become a circus and the amount of idiots riding it has increased inordinately. There are much better roads with less traffic in that scenic area that are far safer to ride than the Dragon. In fact, I would rather ride the DC beltway during rush hour than the Dragon at peak idiot time. The last time I was on it was with my wife. Her reaction was 'Is this it?'. She wasn't impressed based on our past rides elsewhere in the region. Quite frankly, that road isn't worth my time of day or loss of my sanity worrying about the squids, being held up by cruiser riders riding in parade, race cars, and big fat guys riding with scooters implanted in their asses.
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Yea, he made a basic mistake and paid the price. A good lesson here for all of us. The guy freaked and stood the bike up. The rest is history. When things go to crap on a motorcycle they go to crap real fast. We must be focused at all times when riding.
Terrible thing about the convertible driver as well, eh? Don't think he was expecting that, either.
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:yikes:
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Unfortunately, that's nearly exactly what I saw except..............................................................he wasn't alone. :yikes:
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Did you wave?
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Comes around a corner.
"Ooh, there's the camera guy, gotta wave!"
Wave.
Smile.
Wave.
Wave.
"O crap, CURVE! Must lever the tiller handle without haste."
Rick
When I clicked on the link it started somewhere in the middle. When I cycled around and started with picture #1 I got a full understanding of the mistake the guy made. He looked at the camera instead of looking where he wanted to go. He paid dearly for it and if he would have just gone off the road I'd say he got what he asked for, but he took out an innocent person in the process who now has to live with this wreck for the rest of his life.
There are people who own motorcycles who should not be riding motorcycles, just like there are people driving cars who should not have licenses.
Tail of the Dragon is overrated and attracts too many crazies. I have ridden it on several occasions and have seen many cars and bikes come across the yellow line. I will stick to the white line when I ride that road and I only ride it because it takes me to other roads I want to ride without 100 mile detours.
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Did you wave?
What do you think?
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Rich, I can control my riding abilities, for the most part. I can't control others. The Dragon has become a circus and the amount of idiots riding it has increased inordinately. There are much better roads with less traffic in that scenic area that are far safer to ride than the Dragon. In fact, I would rather ride the DC beltway during rush hour than the Dragon at peak idiot time. The last time I was on it was with my wife. Her reaction was 'Is this it?'. She wasn't impressed based on our past rides elsewhere in the region. Quite frankly, that road isn't worth my time of day or loss of my sanity worrying about the squids, being held up by cruiser riders riding in parade, race cars, and big fat guys riding with scooters implanted in their asses.
Have been to the area 3 times in the last decade and have yet to visit the Dragon... Skyway yes, BRPW yes, Forest Service Roads with banjo music yes, Dragon no....
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2 great jokes and all I get is ignored for some fat dude on a scoot!
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:) A picture is worth a thousand words.
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2 great jokes and all I get is ignored for some fat dude on a scoot!
Where did you say those great jokes were Chet? ;)
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Where did you say those great jokes were Chet? ;)
The best was "Watch this" ;D If that isn't in the great category I'm buying what he was riding, er, crashing :(
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Wow. I always try not to be mean or comment on others misfortune. But....
This reminds me of anyone who tells me they have been riding for 40 years but it is obvious they have just been driving to the bar on weekends for 40 years to meet their other just as qualified friends. I sent this link to all of my riding friends (unless they are already on the forum). I'm hoping the less skilled can learn from it by just seeing what can happen in a split second. I bet those pictures cover all of 3 seconds. As noted above and various ways by others, he stared at the camera too long then fixated on the Vette. He actually straightened up and ran exactly where he was looking. That is what is supposed to happen. At a minimum he could have maybe just side-swiped the car if he just kept turning. He might have even made it thru without impacting. He however, did pretty much everything wrong. I just have a feeling he was just way out of his element. It is almost comical. I'm sure he is still in pain but will probably heal up nicely. At least he had some layers on. What sucks is his bike is totaled (notice the front wheel flying away) and he did some serious damage to some insuspecting guy driving an expensive car. It would seem he did not get injured. I bet the car was towed away and had $20k in damage. I brought up the fact to my friends that I carry a $50k property damage and not the $25k state minimum on my insurance. That could even be too low. Today's cars are getting expensive. Also, the worst thing for him was it was all caught on camera. At least this would benefit the guy in the Vette.
Hey, but what do I know? He might have just got his license last week for his first motorcycle and doesn't know any better. That's why I try to keep my mouth shut (but can't).
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That's why I try to keep my mouth shut (but can't).
You're in the right place, then. ;)
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You're in the right place, then. ;)
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I tell ya, that's just funny. Thanks for noticing these pictures - they made my day! Here's what my cousin in Vegas just emailed me back:
"What a fool. Looks like he was in lala land."
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To his credit, in pic #21, he almost stuck the landing, almost. lol
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In frame #11 do you notice the existing rubber on the road just left of his tire? Seems like he's not the first to be distracted by the camera man. A good(?) lawyer might make a case against the photographer.
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In frame 10 it looks like he is at max lean, nearly touching the hard parts. If you watch as it goes on towards the Vette, there is no brakelight until 17, and at that point he is microseconds away from impact. It does look like he could have crammed the bars down and avoided impact if he had done it back at 13 or so. The lack of clearance is the reason I have zero interest in riding a cruiser. I hope the dude had insurance.........
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It's interesting what appears to have happened to the front wheel. It disintegrated into just the rim and tire, with all the internals sheared away. I guess it's not designed to be a bumper. ;)
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From the driver of the vette....
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-general/3150753-victim-of-the-tail-of-the-dragon.html (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-general/3150753-victim-of-the-tail-of-the-dragon.html)
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Thanks for that link, Tony. Did you scroll down to the link the 'Vette drive posted where he put the pics together into a short video? Makes it easier to understand. Also, if his post-crash self quote is accurate, then he's one of the calmest, most forgiving people on the road.
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Good pick ,T.
Nosmo, you are absolutly correct. As a matter of fact those guys seem like real gentlemen. I just read the first page and nobody was as hard on the biker as we are. If it had been the other way around we would have crucified the car driver.
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Good pick ,T.
Nosmo, you are absolutely correct. As a matter of fact those guys seem like real gentlemen. I just read the first page and nobody was as hard on the biker as we are. If it had been the other way around we would have crucified the car driver.
To error is human to forgive devine.... Others are above reproach.
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Good pick ,T.
Nosmo, you are absolutly correct. As a matter of fact those guys seem like real gentlemen. I just read the first page and nobody was as hard on the biker as we are. If it had been the other way around we would have crucified the car driver.
Though I did cringe at the couple of folks that talked about "laying it down". ::)
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Dragon Time lapse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2R4D1vBOM8#)
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From the driver of the vette....
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-general/3150753-victim-of-the-tail-of-the-dragon.html (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-general/3150753-victim-of-the-tail-of-the-dragon.html)
Thanks for the link TC!! The pic battle alone on there was well worth the click!! :thumbs: :thumbs: :P
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Doubt that he was a newbie, based on his gear and bike of choice. What I can't figure out is why he straightened up rather than holding his lean and maybe squeaking by or at the worse low-siding. Brain fade probably. No sign of braking when he does straighten it up.
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From the driver of the vette....
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-general/3150753-victim-of-the-tail-of-the-dragon.html (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-general/3150753-victim-of-the-tail-of-the-dragon.html)
Neither driver was really hurt. However...nobody cleaned up the fluids after the wreck. :loco:
Another rider nearly died when he ran over them later that day.
http://www.easttnriders.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41945 (http://www.easttnriders.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41945)
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Neither driver was really hurt. However...nobody cleaned up the fluids after the wreck. :loco:
Another rider nearly died when he ran over them later that day.
http://www.easttnriders.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41945 (http://www.easttnriders.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41945)
WOW Reading the thread the guy got broken up pretty good.
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Wow! My prayers out to that fella! List of injuries is sobering.
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The leaf colors were pretty good in that video.