Kawasaki Concours Forum
Riding => It's not a Concours - other Bikes => Topic started by: Gsun on May 24, 2012, 10:59:22 PM
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Motus dealers on the west coast announced.
http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=80c5f8f2088bf98bbbb1cd00b&id=7cdbd932c4&e=1b4a408d8f (http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=80c5f8f2088bf98bbbb1cd00b&id=7cdbd932c4&e=1b4a408d8f)
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I hope they sell all the units they need to--best of luck to 'em.
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Too expensive and no dealer support, they will go the way of the dinosaurs.
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Too expensive and no dealer support, they will go the way of the dinosaurs.
That's the spirit!!
Screw those guys at Motus! How dare they start up a company and expect to succeed.
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Too expensive and no dealer support, they will go the way of the dinosaurs.
People have been saying that about BMW for years.
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That's the spirit!!
Screw those guys at Motus! How dare they start up a company and expect to succeed.
So are you gonna buy one, would you buy one? And be honest too.......
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People have been saying that about BMW for years.
Really, I happen to see quite a few BMW dealers across the country, hell there must be for them to keep running.
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Hey - it's year one! Give em a break! I can't afford it, but if I could, I would go for a test ride and see. I will stop by and look.
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The bike really interests me, and I can probably justify the price if I think its something I'll want to own 10 years from now. Hopefully they are working on traction control and abs as I think they'll need it at a 30,000 price point.
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Really, I happen to see quite a few BMW dealers across the country, hell there must be for them to keep running.
Funny. BMW has 138 dealers across the USA... some states have no dealers... Wyoming, North Dakota, Kansas... just to name a couple. Now compare that to Kawasaki, which has ~1k dealers in the USA. It seems even Triumph has ~200 dealers nationwide.
I won't even mention Yamaha, Suzuki, or Honda. :o
Dealer network support was one of the biggest complaints I've heard from ex BMW owners, and future buyers.
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I would buy one for the $13,000 it's worth. What is bringing the bikes price to $30,000? That doesn't even make sense. They should sell at a low price for a few years and then after all the great examples are out there they could raise prices. Like all the other companies in the world.
It can't be much better than the C-14. I do honor the made in U.S.A. Part, but how much is really made HERE
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I'm pretty sure all of it is made here. Maybe some bearings or the like are not. The motor itself was designed and built by them.
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When they were in Scottsdale, az last summer at the BMW, ducati, & Kawasaki dealer my dad and I went out and checked out the bikes and shook both of their hands. Great couple of guys to talk to. As for the bikes they had an absolutely musical sound. Think small block, and who else has gasoline direct injection? If I remember correctly compression ratio is 2-3 points higher than my c-14 AND uses unleaded, not premium. If I had the $ I would buy one of them no questions asked. Pic was taken by one of the company owners sat very comfy and was super light feeling.
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When they were in Scottsdale, az last summer at the BMW, ducati, & Kawasaki dealer my dad and I went out and checked out the bikes and shook both of their hands. Great couple of guys to talk to. As for the bikes they had an absolutely musical sound. Think small block, and who else has gasoline direct injection? If I remember correctly compression ratio is 2-3 points higher than my c-14 AND uses unleaded, not premium. If I had the $ I would buy one of them no questions asked. Pic was taken by one of the company owners sat very comfy and was super light feeling.
They scrapped the direct injection for the production models, they are running a regular fuel injector setup. They were trying to keep the cost down supposedly. As if an extra $1000 for direct injection (and I am just guessing here) would really keep someone from buying a $30,000 bike.
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The open headers by your feet......not smart. ::)
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I wasn't aware they scrapped the direct injection system. The two they were using ran superbly and honestly that was one of the biggest selling points for me.
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I would buy one for the $13,000 it's worth. What is bringing the bikes price to $30,000? That doesn't even make sense. They should sell at a low price for a few years and then after all the great examples are out there they could raise prices. Like all the other companies in the world.
It can't be much better than the C-14. I do honor the made in U.S.A. Part, but how much is really made HERE
lrn2 economy of scale
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I think its cool looking. I think its great being made in the U.S.A. I like the whole idea of it. I wish them all the luck. I'll never buy one.
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Learn to economy to scale?
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Learn to economy to scale?
Yes, economy of scale, or why a huge auto battery costs less than our small bike batteries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale)
They are only looking at selling 200 units MAX per year. To the entire world.
There are no low-cost high margin products to support R&D. They must live off what they make from sales of these 2 models.
I don't think they're going to make it, but I hope they do.
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My view of their prospects is not that bleak. We have a similar concept or business model that we can observe in the custom chopper / boutique bike market. Many of those specialty manufacturers were able to survive and prosper, while others failed. When the market / economy hit some bumps, many more failed.
I had a co-worker that pulled $35k out of his skyrocketing home equity to buy a custom bike that, to me, looked about the same as a normal HD w/ extra chrome. When the housing market collapsed, those sales dried up, and the used bikes went back on the market at about half price or so, and the manufactures declared bankruptcy.
If Motus can sell 200 units per year, they probably can survive. If they can work sales up to 1000 per year, by product improvement and pricing w/o sacrificing quality, they may well turn into another success story like Triumph or Victory.
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If Motus can sell 200 units per year, they probably can survive. If they can work sales up to 1000 per year, by product improvement and pricing w/o sacrificing quality, they may well turn into another success story like Triumph or Victory.
I think they will need to add at least one more model to help sell bikes. That motor is just begging for a stripped down version similar to a Z1000.
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I think they will need to add at least one more model to help sell bikes. That motor is just begging for a stripped down version similar to a Z1000.
Ditto that opinion. Single-model specialty brands rarely survive. They're facing long odds. Think of the many Norton revivals, which got a lot of media coverage and had an established enthusiastic fan base. **** up, everyone of them. Motus is such an odd name that they even have that going against them.
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Listened to an interview the other day where their looking at OEM applications for the engine in custom bikes or other avenues.
Would represent another revenue stream and diversifacation of risk.