Anyone using the TPX laser jammer?

[ZG]

I just bought the TPX 2.0 radar/laser detector, arrived today! 


http://www.adaptivtechnologies.com/adaptiv_store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=180




I'm thinking about adding their laser jammer, anyone using this and have any feedback? 


http://www.adaptivtechnologies.com/adaptiv_store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=70&products_id=221

[Gumby]

You're gonna stick $800 into radar equipment?

Has the radar detector done you wrong yet?

[Son of Pappy]

Jay, you do know that radar/laser is a secondary means of identifying speed?  I like seeing others keep the economy afloat one farkle at a time, but in this case?

[Gumby]

Jay, you do know that radar/laser is a secondary means of identifying speed?  I like seeing others keep the economy afloat one farkle at a time, but in this case?

Ok, I'll bite. What's the first? I would guess line of site and a judgement call on the officers part.

[Rhino]

Love my Passport Escort 9500x. I never leave home without it. By no means ticket proof but has saved me more then enough to offset the cost.

[ZG]

You're gonna stick $800 into radar equipment?

I know it's not cheap, but my thoughts were if it saves you once from a big ticket it pretty much pays for itself, any other future saves you come out ahead... kinda like tip over protection.

[Son of Pappy]

Ok, I'll bite. What's the first? I would guess line of site and a judgement call on the officers part.

An officers visual.  Before they are certified to use the radar they are required to accurately "estimate" speed.  I have worked, ridden, and trained with a fair amount of LEOs from a large variety of departments over the years.  What detector users have in their favor is the lazy officers who rely on the radar for info.
Fellow riders are the best form of detection, a simple tap on top of the helmet to an oncoming rider works great, even better is a CB radio set on the local truckers channel as they tend to call out sightings, all though recently not so much as they are prone to travelling at the posted speed due to tracking and all that kinda stuff.

[Rhino]

An officers visual.  Before they are certified to use the radar they are required to accurately "estimate" speed.  I have worked, ridden, and trained with a fair amount of LEOs from a large variety of departments over the years.  What detector users have in their favor is the lazy officers who rely on the radar for info.
Fellow riders are the best form of detection, a simple tap on top of the helmet to an oncoming rider works great, even better is a CB radio set on the local truckers channel as they tend to call out sightings, all though recently not so much as they are prone to travelling at the posted speed due to tracking and all that kinda stuff.

Yes but they still need radar, laser or stop watch to prove it in court. 99% today are radar or laser. Every ticket in my entire life (40+ years of driving) has been radar. So if you can detect it and slow down before he locks onto you, it will save you a ticket. Laser detection on the other hand is just to let you know you've been tagged. But I get about 500 real KA band detections for every laser so I don't feel the need for the TPX jammer. I don't go around speeding all the time. I've had maybe 5 tickets in my life. But with a bike like this it is VERY easy to exceed in a heart beat. I've had one ticket since buying the C14 in April 2010. Then I got the Passport and it has saved me maybe 4 or 5 times. Well worth it.

[OregonLAN]

I'm not trying to poo poo on your post, but radar detectors and jammers offer very little protection against speeding tickets unless you're following other vehicles. Most modern day radar and laser guns are instant on/off. Typically the only warning you receive from a detector is after you've been tagged. Radar and laser signals travel at the speed of light (or thereabouts); it takes miliseconds to compute your speed on modern equipment. Also, jammers are only effective in 100% ideal conditions. They need to be positioned so that the frequency they emit is sent directly back to the laser gun. If the angle is slightly off, the frequency is slightly different or the officer targets an alternate portion of your vehicle (side, top or back), you are basically screwed.

I owned a nice radar detector once. The officer that pulled me over let me know that I would have received a warning if I didn't have a detector in my windshield.

I haven't had any speeding tickets in 12 years. Not because I don't speed, but because I'm smart about where I speed...   

[ZG]

Well I guess once again I get to be the guinea pig it seems, I just ordered it, supposed to arrive tomorrow... 

[Son of Pappy]

Myth is they need the radar, fact is officers write the ticket and electronic assistance is not required.  Yes, a good lawyer will in all likelyhood beat the charge on some technicality, but that would be some weakness on the officers part.

What I would like is a current LEO to chime in, give their experience first hand.

[ZG]

Most modern day radar and laser guns are instant on/off. Typically the only warning you receive from a detector is after you've been tagged. Radar and laser signals travel at the speed of light (or thereabouts); it takes miliseconds to compute your speed on modern equipment. Also, jammers are only effective in 100% ideal conditions. They need to be positioned so that the frequency they emit is sent directly back to the laser gun. If the angle is slightly off, the frequency is slightly different or the officer targets an alternate portion of your vehicle (side, top or back), you are basically screwed.
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The reason for the jammer is that once you are "tagged" as you mention above it would typically be too late, what the jammer does is block (error) that first tag reading, allowing you to see the laser tagged light go off and slow down (this jammer from TPX also has an auto off function so once it jams the first tagging it turns off) then when the LEO tags you again it works for him but by then you've hopefully already slowed down...


When LEO's tag you with laser they have to hit it off a license plate or headlight in order to get a reading back, it won't work if they tag you from the side etc. The jammer mounts directly below your headlight, which blocks the signal on the first reading.


Here's some more info, pics, and vids, etc... It's a pretty cool product IMO. 


http://www.adaptivtechnologies.com/gear/gallery/tpx-laser-jammer


http://www.pinterest.com/adaptivtech/kawasaki/

[mvjr1904]

If there is any form of radar, laser, speed trap in the general area, your detection device should pick it up, regardless if you are the target or the vehicle to your front or side is the target. Worse, if its you and it's probably too late once your device goes off. A radar signal from a bank or store can set it off also.

Point to remember, if your device goes off and it never went off on that same stretch of road before...... "Something" is in the area, slow down and try to identify the source of the detection.

[OregonLAN]

The reason for the jammer is that once you are "tagged" as you mention above it would typically be too late, what the jammer does is block (error) that first tag reading, allowing you to see the laser tagged light go off and slow down (this jammer from TPX also has an auto off function so once it jams the first tagging it turns off) then when the LEO tags you again it works for him but by then you've hopefully already slowed down...


When LEO's tag you with laser they have to hit it off a license plate or headlight in order to get a reading back, it won't work if they tag you from the side etc. The jammer mounts directly below your headlight, which blocks the signal on the first reading.


Here's some more info, pics, and vids, etc... It's a pretty cool product IMO. 


http://www.adaptivtechnologies.com/gear/gallery/tpx-laser-jammer


http://www.pinterest.com/adaptivtech/kawasaki/

Actually, all they need is a flat/reflective surface to use Lidar. Most officers are trained to use the license plate or headlights as these areas work best. Automatic targeting Lidar will commonly lock onto the license plate, headlights, marker lights or reflectors.

[B.D.F.]

Yep, you got it Jay.Your first inkling that you have been illuminated by phased controlled light in merely a 'heads up' that you will soon have to stop and chat with someone. The only way to detect laser light in advance (read: when it is not trained on you) is in the odd case of reflection. Laser light just does not scatter like a radio frequency emission used for radar. And in most places, a radar jammer, er, 'altered light alternative emitter' is perfectly legal.

That said, common sense says that it will annoy a LEO to no end if you have defeated his, er, measurement system. If you think detectors make them cranky, wait 'till you meet one while wearing an emitter. So think long and hard about just where and how you are going to mount it (them). Just because the LEO's device will not read does not mean you will not get pulled over and once made put off, an officer can probably find all manner of things you have / continue to do incorrectly.

Caveat Emptor never applied any more than it does here.

Brian

The reason for the jammer is that once you are "tagged" as you mention above it would typically be too late, what the jammer does is block (error) that first tag reading, allowing you to see the laser tagged light go off and slow down (this jammer from TPX also has an auto off function so once it jams the first tagging it turns off) then when the LEO tags you again it works for him but by then you've hopefully already slowed down...


When LEO's tag you with laser they have to hit it off a license plate or headlight in order to get a reading back, it won't work if they tag you from the side etc. The jammer mounts directly below your headlight, which blocks the signal on the first reading.


Here's some more info, pics, and vids, etc... It's a pretty cool product IMO. 


http://www.adaptivtechnologies.com/gear/gallery/tpx-laser-jammer


http://www.pinterest.com/adaptivtech/kawasaki/

[Rhino]

I'm not trying to poo poo on your post, but radar detectors and jammers offer very little protection against speeding tickets unless you're following other vehicles. Most modern day radar and laser guns are instant on/off. Typically the only warning you receive from a detector is after you've been tagged. Radar and laser signals travel at the speed of light (or thereabouts); it takes miliseconds to compute your speed on modern equipment. Also, jammers are only effective in 100% ideal conditions. They need to be positioned so that the frequency they emit is sent directly back to the laser gun. If the angle is slightly off, the frequency is slightly different or the officer targets an alternate portion of your vehicle (side, top or back), you are basically screwed.

I owned a nice radar detector once. The officer that pulled me over let me know that I would have received a warning if I didn't have a detector in my windshield.

I haven't had any speeding tickets in 12 years. Not because I don't speed, but because I'm smart about where I speed...   

True dat. Which is about 90% of the time.

And agree completely about good judgment on when and where to speed.

[Rhino]

Myth is they need the radar, fact is officers write the ticket and electronic assistance is not required.  Yes, a good lawyer will in all likelyhood beat the charge on some technicality, but that would be some weakness on the officers part.

What I would like is a current LEO to chime in, give their experience first hand.

I would be very interested to hear if anyone has ever gotten a ticket based on the officers estimate of speed. I'm not talking about aggressive riding including improper passing, dangerous lane changing, etc. I'm talking pure speeding such as 82 in a 70 (my last ticket on a deserted back road in Texas). Has anyone ever gotten a ticket like that without radar, laser or stop watch? And as Chet said, would love to hear a LEO chime in.

[ZG]

That said, common sense says that it will annoy a LEO to no end if you have defeated his, er, measurement system. If you think detectors make them cranky, wait 'till you meet one while wearing an emitter. So think long and hard about just where and how you are going to mount it (them). Just because the LEO's device will not read does not mean you will not get pulled over and once made put off, an officer can probably find all manner of things you have / continue to do incorrectly.

Yep, I hear ya Brian, and that's a valid point. But I think I like my chances better having a conversation with the LEO if I did get pulled over vs them having hard evidence in hand like a validated laser reading...

[ZG]

I would be very interested to hear if anyone has ever gotten a ticket based on the officers estimate of speed. I'm not talking about aggressive riding including improper passing, dangerous lane changing, etc. I'm talking pure speeding such as 82 in a 70 (my last ticket on a deserted back road in Texas). Has anyone ever gotten a ticket like that without radar, laser or stop watch?

+1...   


I'm not a hooligan rider (ok maybe when i was younger) weaving in/out of cages acting a fool, but there are many isolated places that if you come over a hill or around a corner and get tagged could be a hefty ticket... Coming home from the National last month on HWY 20 I think the flow of traffic was at least 90 mph...

[gPink]

If KIPASS was really intelligent we wouldn't be having this conversation. We got two fobs, one for front and one for back. All the protection we need.