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Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: T Cro ® on April 21, 2012, 06:31:22 AM
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Or another way to put it is why would I want to be your neighbor? My wife and I are seriously thinking about moving out of MI so that we (she) can escape the sunless nasty sloppy winters we have here. I'd like to stay within an hour or two of a major airport but a reasonable sized regional size airport will work too as I need to travel for my work. We have stayed several times down in the Ashville NC area and really enjoyed the mountains so we think about moving into the area as it appeals to us but I don't want to overlook some other gem of an area. We don't enjoy BIG city life nor are we wanting to live completely in isolation either but the idea of being able to have a few acre does hold some appeal too. Tell me about what makes where you live or where you'd like to live so special? Mountain and valley views are a big plus and if given my dithers I'd like to live along or nearby to the Blue Ridge Parkway but that is one long road and covers many states so even areas like Roanoke Virginia seem like great places to live.
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T, I'm in southern Ill-inois and I wouldn't recommend anyone moving to this state. That said, If I was a younger man I would pack up my business and move to Nashville TN area. The city is doing very well. Music scene is lively. The surrounding countryside is absolutely beautiful. The Gulf, the Smokies, Florida, New Orleans and much more is all in a day or two travel time. Good luck with your decision.
Gary
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The Roanoke, VA area is beautiful. You couldn't ask for better riding. Even better, it's within riding distance of me. On second thought, that might be a minus for you.... ;) Roanoke is large enough to have an airport but small enough to not have the big city issues. My vote would be Roanoke assuming you can find work there. Not too close to water, though. It would be a heck of a commute to the ocean or to the Great Lakes.
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You might cross reference any location with this web site to give you an overview of likely prospects.
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/ (http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/)
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Western Kentucky, if you have a skill that can get you a job. Hour from Nashville, low property taxes, good concealed carry law, but shitty public schools if that is important to you. Great riding roads. Lots of cheap ground and good fishing.
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Seems nobody chooses to move north (says he shivering in Ottawa).
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Having lived in Tidewater and NOVA, Virginia has a lot to recommend it. You're within a days drive of mountains, beaches and some cool cities and other historical places. The Shenadoah valley is wonderful. I loved the weather in VA as well. The actually have 4 seasons, some snow each year, a few weeks of 90+ degree weather in the summer.
We've been in Nashville for 3 years, and I second the comments of the poster above. Nashville is a great place to live. The weather isn't as good as VA, but you're still close to some cool stuff. It's a lively, very friendly place and has a small town feel with big town conveniences. Check out Franklin or Spring Hill south of Nashville or Hendersonville or Sumner County for places Northeast of Nashville. A friend was working a case in Sumner County and said it's like Mayberry up there.
I don't know Knoxvlle or Chattanooga as well, but there are some places around those towns that are very nice. You're right there at the foothills of the Smokies and can still get some space for a good price. Airports aren't as big and won't have the cheaper flights or flight selection, though.
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Well, having lived in Virginia Beach, VA for 34 years, took a turn in MI (I fully understand the need to leave), and now in Asheville, I will STRONGLY add a vote to your initial choice.
You will LOVE the Asheville area. While I do miss the ocean, Asheville has been our favorite place yet.
- Some of the best riding in the country.
- Outstanding local restaurant, brew pub choices.
- Growing economy (New Belgium Brewery and Sierra Nevada have both just committed to new "green field" breweries and HQ here)
- Excellent, quirky, eccentric vibe
- Stable housing market.
- Local college, good public school system.
- Beer City, USA. (seriously)
- Outstanding natural beauty, hiking, bicycling, kayaking, etc. in and around the Blue Ridge and Smoky Mountains
Great place. Especially if you like to ride!
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The Roanoke, VA area is beautiful. You couldn't ask for better riding. Even better, it's within riding distance of me. On second thought, that might be a minus for you.... ;) Roanoke is large enough to have an airport but small enough to not have the big city issues. My vote would be Roanoke assuming you can find work there. Not too close to water, though. It would be a heck of a commute to the ocean or to the Great Lakes.
My work is as steady as cement and asphalt so I don't need to find work; only need to make about 9 round trips per year and perhaps as few as 6 if I start working equal time as presently I work 4 weeks on and 2 weeks off.
I want all four seasons just less of the miserable days with no sun to be seen and less of the dirty brown snow. And while we love AZ in Feb I don't think we would much care for it in the summer; went to Vegas in Oct and did ok but again I just don't know if we might melt in the summer out west.
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Western Kentucky, if you have a skill that can get you a job. Hour from Nashville, low property taxes, good concealed carry law, but shitty public schools if that is important to you. Great riding roads. Lots of cheap ground and good fishing.
No kids to consider as ours are grown and gone.... This will likely be where we (I) will retire in roughly 20 years.
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No kids to consider as ours are grown and gone.... This will likely be where we (I) will retire in roughly 20 years.
Hmmm, that would make you about 90 or so wouldn't it?
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Or another way to put it is why would I want to be your neighbor? My wife and I are seriously thinking about moving out of MI so that we (she) can escape the sunless nasty sloppy winters we have here. I'd like to stay within an hour or two of a major airport but a reasonable sized regional size airport will work too as I need to travel for my work. We have stayed several times down in the Ashville NC area and really enjoyed the mountains so we think about moving into the area as it appeals to us but I don't want to overlook some other gem of an area. We don't enjoy BIG city life nor are we wanting to live completely in isolation either but the idea of being able to have a few acre does hold some appeal too. Tell me about what makes where you live or where you'd like to live so special? Mountain and valley views are a big plus and if given my dithers I'd like to live along or nearby to the Blue Ridge Parkway but that is one long road and covers many states so even areas like Roanoke Virginia seem like great places to live.
Hey T,
I spent 10 years in Va, north of Richmond, and truthfully I loved the place.... but living expenses there sucked.
Combined with $#!+ laws and taxation on personal property...I weighed being "2 hours" from every desirable scenario for riding, and the reality that living on the North coast was my home....
NOW, major deal....not that I want you for my next door neighbor or anything, but the house next to mine is in limbo, I believe forclosed or something, a nice large home, IN GROUND pool, and in a very desirable spot.....I also believe a holding company (the same one that owns my rental home) really wants the house, but so far it's not been posted....
you want info?
Lake County Ohio, Mentor/Concord line (Concord side) s.r. 84 do some googling
shoot me a note. ;)
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Lake County Ohio, Mentor/Concord line (Concord side) s.r. 84 do some googling shoot me a note. ;)
MOB not that you would not make a good neighbor as you've got good beer and gun powder but I'm trying to get away from Lake Mi winters and you want me to move to Lake Erie..... ::)
I spend a lot of time including winter lay up in Cleveland so you can come visit me in that $hit hole.... 8)
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Hey T,
I spent 10 years in Va, north of Richmond, and truthfully I loved the place....
Ahh, even closer to me!
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I vote for the Lexington Ky area, or perhaps the beautiful states of NC/SC!!!! :thumbs:
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I was gonna suggest Colla-radie, but the weather sux the big icicle, they're no major bodies of water to float a barge on, no airports of any size, the roads are straight as a laser beam (take a wizz now, next exit 83 miles), and all the Bag-A-Whinos (with "Blue Hairs" and "Hats" at the wheel) drive 48MPH in the left lanes... always. Sand and magnesium chloride on the roads well into June too.
Stay out east, you'll be much happier.
Rick
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Not all of AZ is hot.
One of the reasons I'm getting out of Prescott is that it's too cold.
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Not all of AZ is hot.
One of the reasons I'm getting out of Prescott is that it's too cold.
Not getting any sympathy from me! ??? I've been through the Phoenix to Flagstaff area twice in Feb and stayed in Carefree and Sedona and would kill for winter days like the ones we saw while there.
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TCro, don't blame you one bit. I would take the AZ winter over this stuff in MI any day of the week. We were just in Flagstaff and the Grand Canyon over Spring Break. Real nice up there in that AZ high country. I loved the desert too. We went all the way down into the Gadsen Purchase area and spent a few days. The summer heat would not bother me one bit since I grew up in that back in Texas. The Central Texas Hill country is where I would eventually like to end up. You can live out in the country and still be close to two major airports, Austin and San Antonio. The traffic in both cities can be a nightmare but if you play it right you can avoid all of that. The summer heat can be bad though. We are going to be heading South again once our work in MI is done. Nothing keeping us here except a job right now.
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To stay cool you want to be above 4,000'.
Some places in AZ that are cool and (relatively) close to an airport:
Prescott
Verde Valley (Cottonwood, Jerome, Sedona)
Flagstaff
Payson
Show Low
Bisbee
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Other places in Virginia to consider all have 4 seasons and you can ride throughout the year:
- Richmond and surrounding localities (Henrico, Chesterfield, Hanover, etc.), major airport, 70 miles to BRP and Skyline drive, 100 miles to ocean, 50 miles to Williamsburg, 100 miles to D.C., many scenic routes, several major universities, land in outlying localities, historic area
- Charlottesville, regional airport, 30 miles BRP and Skyline drive, college town (UVA), many scenic routes, wealthy town, some parts rural, historic area
- Fredericksburg, fast growing area, regional airport, some parts rural, scenic roads, 50 miles from D.C. and Richmond, major university
- Williamsburg, Colonial Capital, 50 miles to beach, 100 miles to BRP, 50 miles to Richmond, great scenic routes (Rt 5), near Jamestown, James River, College of William and Mary, airport
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I'm staying in Cincinnati because it's home, nasty weather and all. If I'm put in a position that I have to move, I'd look at Asheville really hard because I'm just about guaranteed work. However, I've got a buddy that moved to Albuquerque about 8 years ago and loves it. He always after me to move out there. I rode the Blue Monster out there last summer during the heat wave. Beautiful area with lots to do but I like rain and duck. Not a lot of either out there.
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Yep, gotta luv Michigan weather.... ;D I keep tellin' you, especially with that lake effect snow,you need a sled!
(http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/50429/2309653180052933502S200x200Q85.jpg) Although, with that said, Linda & I have been looking for retirement real estate east of Lexington, Ky( Blue Grass Airport ) & northeast of Gatlinburg, Tn.(McGhee-Tyson airport in near-by Knoxville) . The bad thing about G'burg is that we have to keep expanding our search due to excessive over developement. The developers have pretty much ruined the Wear's Valley area to the west of G'burg! >:(
There's also some ok real estate s.w. of Knoxville/Marysville, northwest of Tellico Plains( & the Cherohala Skyway ;D ) along the Tennessee River watershed. The summer humidity would be the stopper for us, although a quick ride up in the mtns. would remedy that. Not being able to sit COMFORTABLY outside in the summertime kills the deal for us!
The Williams, AZ area looked nice too when we drove thru there last summer. Temps in Vegas at the time were 104 & Williams was only 90...
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- Fredericksburg, fast growing area, regional airport, some parts rural, scenic roads, 50 miles from D.C. and Richmond, major university
Too close to me...
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Might have to start doing like a lot of our neighbors do and bug out for a few months during the worst of the winter.... I keep thinking about us missing out on watching the grand kids grow up and that makes me sad and I know that would make the wife even more sad. Stay someplace different and warm each winter as long as we can bring the 3 furry ones.
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Yep, that's what's keeping us in this area.....grandkids. Otherwise we'd be out in the Valley near Roanoke.
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Another point no one has mentioned about Virginia is how lax they are with gun laws and purchases. For the normal law abiding citizens, it is very easy to buy just about anything firearm you could want. But as MOB said, the taxes and general cost of living can be a little out of hand. Especially for those of us further up into Northern VA.
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Would you call the gun laws lax or reasonable?
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Would you call the gun laws lax or reasonable?
In comparison to what? I don't know about Ill-inois but in MI no ID is needed to simply purchase ammo, long-gun purchase require NO state registration or purchase permits, pistol purchase does require a purchase permit but it is really easy to get from your local PD, and registration after purchase with the state. Open Carry is legal, a CPL (concealed carry license) is very easy to get. My local PD encourages you to get your CPL; and once you have a CPL you are no longer required to get a PP for each handgun purchase. How does that compare; are we lax or reasonable?
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T, not to distract from your thread, I would say reasonable. Draconian firearms laws in Ill-inois require registration of all gun owners. ID and FOID required for all gun and ammo purchases. Has been this way for quite a while. No cc. Trying to legislate a 65 dollar/per handgun/per year tax. Just the tip of the iceberg. All Chicago driven. Now back to your original programming. :)
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T, not to distract from your thread, I would say reasonable. Draconian firearms laws in Ill-inois require registration of all gun owners. ID and FOID required for all gun and ammo purchases. Has been this way for quite a while. No cc. Trying to legislate a 65 dollar/per handgun/per year tax. Just the tip of the iceberg. All Chicago driven. Now back to your original programming. :)
I ain't moving just yet so we can hijack the thread all we want; the TSA don't work here! :o
65.00 per year per handgun tax? Holy Crap Batman that would be well over 500 bills from my pocket! That is completely unconstatusional..... Chicago people are just plain ignoramus!!! >:(
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Consider just some of the anti-Second Amendment bills that are moving through the House:
* HB 1294 -- bans many, if not most, semi-automatic firearms
* HB 1599 -- imposes long prison sentences for “unlawful use of weapons”
* HB 1855 -- criminalizes failure to report lost or stolen guns
* HB 4149 and HB 4456 -- Bans private sales of handguns
* HB 5167 -- imposes a 2% surtax on ammunition
* HB 5831 -- requires registration of all handguns
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First I will say I am not knocking VA Gun regs at all.
I don't know about Ill-inois but in MI no ID is needed to simply purchase ammo,
No ID required in VA
long-gun purchase require NO state registration or purchase permits
In VA no registration or permits for long guns. People think they are registering them when they fill out paperwork, but that is no more than for the State Police check (5 minutes).
pistol purchase does require a purchase permit but it is really easy to get from your local PD, and registration after purchase with the state.
In VA no purchase permits and no registration. Same 5 minute State Police background check as long gun purchase.
Open Carry is legal, a CPL (concealed carry license) is very easy to get. PD and once you have a CPL you are no longer required to get a PP for each handgun purchase.
Open carry legal in VA. CPL easy to get (no shooting even required and online safety cert ok). With CPL can purchase more than 1 handgun a month.
So to sum it up for VA: No purchase permits required, only 5 minute background check for all purchases, very simple CCL process, And best of all none of your weapons are registered (unless it is a class III).
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It is a sad commentary when a man has to consider which Constitutionally guaranteed rights are violated when deciding where to live in this country. :(
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It is a sad commentary when a man has to consider which Constitutionally guaranteed rights are violated when deciding where to live in this country. :(
Well said..... :-X
There are several locations in the this great country that you could not give me a home or pay me to live there!
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If you are not opposed to the left side of the US, consider Wenatchee or Omak, mountains, water (lakes and rivers), 4 seasons, great riding, frugal property price with a little search, 300 days of sunshine a year, heck, transfer jobs if possible to the coast, although I do NOT recomend living on the wet side (West of the Cascades) as it has been known to rain on occassion. Puget Sound, lots of tugs, several Navy facilities and shipping ports, Wenatchee is around a 3 hour drive/ride from the Sound.
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If you are not opposed to the left side of the US, consider Wenatchee or Omak, mountains, water (lakes and rivers), 4 seasons, great riding, frugal property price with a little search, 300 days of sunshine a year, heck, transfer jobs if possible to the coast, although I do NOT recomend living on the wet side (West of the Cascades) as it has been known to rain on occassion. Puget Sound, lots of tugs, several Navy facilities and shipping ports, Wenatchee is around a 3 hour drive/ride from the Sound.
Anything is possible but I've gotten rather accustomed to having my own 3 room quarters on board this tug; it is highly unusual for even a Captain much less a Chief Engineer to have a Day Office, Sleeping Quarters and a Private Head (bathroom) on vessels of this size. Plus I'm 16 years into this company and they treat their "Core Employees" very well.
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I am not much into guns, so cannot comment much on the laws surrounding them. But was not there a bad shooting or two in Virginia tech? I hope this does not turn into arena, but curious how things such as that can be avoided.
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Shhhhhhhh.......quit mentioning VA. Move along there's nothing to see here. Nope, nothing at all. I'll just stay here and keep it all to myself so no one will have to endure the mountains, Shenandoah valley, Piedmont and Tidewater areas. Also we wouldn't want to bore them with 400 years of history with all those museums, plantations and Civil War/Revolutionary war battlefields. They'd get tired of wrestling the big Connie along the Skyline Drive and Blue Ridge Parkway. Yeah, it's better if they just stay away. ;)
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I am not much into guns, so cannot comment much on the laws surrounding them. But was not there a bad shooting or two in Virginia tech? I hope this does not turn into arena, but curious how things such as that can be avoided.
Real improvements to Campus Security/Police; armed Factuality Members and even the ability for Students to arm themselves for just in case such and event.
You will NEVER keep a crazy person from acting out with a dangerous weapon such as guns, knives, clubs or even gas and a match....
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Real improvements to Campus Security/Police; armed Factuality Members and even the ability for Students to arm themselves for just in case such and event.
You will NEVER keep a crazy person from acting out with a dangerous weapon such as guns, knives, clubs or even gas and a match....
And how do you prevent the campus from turning into old wild west? You got a beef with someone, you call out for a gun duel ! ;)
I am not against people carrying guns, but there should be some check to determine the sanity of the person - ensure that the person is going to be responsible with the gun. Even if everyone carries a gun, an insane person with a gun will probably kill a few before being dropped dead. And even a few human lives is very costly.
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And how do you prevent the campus from turning into old wild west? You got a beef with someone, you call out for a gun duel ! ;)
I am not against people carrying guns, but there should be some check to determine the sanity of the person - ensure that the person is going to be responsible with the gun. Even if everyone carries a gun, an insane person with a gun will probably kill a few before being dropped dead. And even a few human lives is very costly.
You simply can't predict crazy! But you can be prepared for it..... No one answer works here.
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And how do you prevent the campus from turning into old wild west? You got a beef with someone, you call out for a gun duel ! ;)
I am not against people carrying guns, but there should be some check to determine the sanity of the person - ensure that the person is going to be responsible with the gun. Even if everyone carries a gun, an insane person with a gun will probably kill a few before being dropped dead. And even a few human lives is very costly.
Top 100 most dangerous communities list just came out. Know how many were from the "Wild West?"
ZERO.
How much violence accompanied the "Occupy" protests here, which were attended by legally armed citizens?
NONE.
You cannot ever hope to control the actions of another, only yourself. Hoping the State control the actions of another person is naive folly.
In Arizona there is no permit whatsoever required to carry a weapon any way the citizen desires. If this causes so much crime, where are the Arizona communities on the aforementioned list?
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/ (http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/)
Please provide the statistics of a state where the rate of violent crime has increased after making their weapons laws more closely match the intent of the Framers? I eagerly await your answer.
43 out of the 100 communities in that list are from may-issue or no-issue states. Not one was from a state with Constitutional Carry.
Only 14 states out of 50 (28%) comprised 43% of the communities on that list. Icanhazoverrepresentation? ;D
Every single Campus Carry law ever proposed is restricted to CCW holders ONLY (that's how SCC rolls). That means over 21, trained and background checked. Ever seen the crime statistics of CCW holders vs. the general population? 5.7 times less likely to be convicted of a violent crime and 13.5 times less likely to be convicted of a non-violent offense. Now why is it we want to make criminals of these people?
There are already campuses where carry is legal and your hoplophobic fantasies have never been realized. As a matter of fact, there has never been a mass shooting at any of these campuses.
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NC Asheville area is a primo choice and if I can get my Townhouse sold and my stuff together ...in the near future...I will be looking west of there.....I use to live in Waynesville for a few years and should have never moved...I now only live about 2:15 hours from there so it's a easy trip........I will probably look further west of Waynesville as I have simple needs and do not need to be close to "cities"...once a month supply run is good enough for me
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What gives? Nobody mentioned Maine as a great place to freeze to death.
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NC Asheville area is a primo choice and if I can get my Townhouse sold and my stuff together ...in the near future...I will be looking west of there.....I use to live in Waynesville for a few years and should have never moved...I now only live about 2:15 hours from there so it's a easy trip........I will probably look further west of Waynesville as I have simple needs and do not need to be close to "cities"...once a month supply run is good enough for me
Hi Silvera, I don't know if you meant the town of Waynesville that is south of Maggie Valley or Waynesville county that is north of Maggie Valley but we stayed a week in a cabin off of Cove Creek Mountain Road in Waynesville county and I can tell you that I absolutely loved the location and could haved lived out the rest of my days in that cabin with no regrets. I can see us still moving to that area perhaps when the grand kids get a few years older. We took Cove Creek road up towards the GSMNP to where that elk population lives and was completely awe struck by the sight and "sounds" of the elk.
Maybe we can be neighbors in a few years? I think we would get along great as my wife and I are not real big on conversation and are happy with companionship. Just plunk me in the back of the head with an acorn and point!
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To stay cool you want to be above 4,000'.
Some places in AZ that are cool and (relatively) close to an airport:
Prescott
Verde Valley (Cottonwood, Jerome, Sedona)
Flagstaff
Payson
Show Low
Bisbee
Just got back from Sho Low / Concho area.... It was beautiful this time of year
By the way if you like riding twisties..... AVOID KANSAS!!! (don't get me wrong, I love my state, just doesn't have any good twistie opportunities)
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Or another way to put it is why would I want to be your neighbor? My wife and I are seriously thinking about moving out of MI so that we (she) can escape the sunless nasty sloppy winters we have here. I'd like to stay within an hour or two of a major airport but a reasonable sized regional size airport will work too as I need to travel for my work. We have stayed several times down in the Ashville NC area and really enjoyed the mountains so we think about moving into the area as it appeals to us but I don't want to overlook some other gem of an area. We don't enjoy BIG city life nor are we wanting to live completely in isolation either but the idea of being able to have a few acre does hold some appeal too. Tell me about what makes where you live or where you'd like to live so special? Mountain and valley views are a big plus and if given my dithers I'd like to live along or nearby to the Blue Ridge Parkway but that is one long road and covers many states so even areas like Roanoke Virginia seem like great places to live.
Thats where I live "in the summers" when FL is hot. Winter is all warm climate places for me though, Asheville gets COLD~!
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I am not much into guns, so cannot comment much on the laws surrounding them. But was not there a bad shooting or two in Virginia tech? I hope this does not turn into arena, but curious how things such as that can be avoided.
There have been 'bad' shootings across the nation, not just in VA.... And I don't see how such 'things' could have been avoided unless more people 'carried' and took out the shooter before he did the damage. The police forces can only do so much....as they are stretched out due to budget constraints.
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Hi Silvera, I don't know if you meant the town of Waynesville that is south of Maggie Valley or Waynesville county that is north of Maggie Valley but we stayed a week in a cabin off of Cove Creek Mountain Road in Waynesville county
It is the Town of Waynesville...that county is Haywood County...(There isn't a Waynesville County in NC) Maggie Valley is next door and so is Clyde, Lake Junaluska, Silva, Cherokee, Gatlinburg, and several tourist towns more. And of course towns west of there in and around Fontana
Waynesville is a great town.....has a downtown area that survived the modern world and everyone is friendly. It's also the gateway to a lot of outdoor sports and hardtop as you already know. There is someone on this forum who lives there...but I can't for the life of me think of who it is right now.
I would love to be your neighbor, maybe someday that would happen...then you could have two folks throwing acrons at ya!
I'm thinking a bit more west of Waynesville maybe near Robbinsville....
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It is the Town of Waynesville...that county is Haywood County...(There isn't a Waynesville County in NC) Maggie Valley is next door and so is Clyde, Lake Junaluska, Silva, Cherokee, Gatlinburg, and several tourist towns more. And of course towns west of there in and around Fontana
Can't trust Microsoft Maps for nuttin I tells ya....
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http://www.digital-topo-maps.com/county-map/north-carolina.shtml (http://www.digital-topo-maps.com/county-map/north-carolina.shtml)