When someone (say me, for example, if that helps) says that they "think the current Potus is a liar, a bumbling buffoon, a self aggrandizing nincompoop, and not worthy of the office."
Do you simply assume that said person (A) doesn't care for the current Potus, or do you also assume that they (B) really wanted Hillery or Bernie as our Potus?
I try not to assume anything, because not enough information if that is all they say. Although I do suspect most people saying that would also believe that the alternative would have been better.
Alas, our broken system (first-past-the-post) really only gives two choices, and we do end up in situations where neither is great. That aside, I am certainly not afraid of saying: I do think Trump is not worthy of the office, that he is a loud-mouth and terribly annoying and unprofessional. Hillary would have been far more diplomatic and tolerable in that regard. But her POLICIES would be MUCH MUCH WORSE (plus, she is also an arrogant liar), and that is far more important. So I held my nose and voted based on position/policy, not demeanor. Who I wanted to vote for was Rand Paul- someone who has an excellent demeanor and integrity, is not a liar, is intelligent, and who has great policy positions. The primary didn't work out that way and I am not sure he could have won against Hillary, anyway.
Now, looking at the bright side, we (the American 'People' (read: voters) ) have so strangled American politics that even relatively straightforward issues are ham- stringed into dismissal. So in a really left- handed way, we have managed to stop the Fed. gov't from doing anything of any significance, which I guess is a left- handed victory for all. Let us face it, things are pretty good in the ole' US of A and just leaving things alone is certainly not the worst possible outcome.
For the last thirty years I've voted for the least evil candidate in my opinion.
I've lost all faith in our political system when becoming a political was a career choice. A person takes on a job to make money.When making money is your guidance for your job performance, you fail serving the public.
And to expand on your original question about the current POTUS...
This is all great discussion.....but...WHEN SUDDENLY...... he repeats the question.
When someone (say me, for example, if that helps) says that they "think the current Potus is a liar, a bumbling buffoon, a self aggrandizing nincompoop, and not worthy of the office."
Do you simply assume that said person (A) doesn't care for the current Potus, or do you also assume that they (B) really wanted Hillery or Bernie as our Potus?
So if you could please at the end of your post just let me know if it's A? or A&B?
Thanks.
So far I have a definite B from turbojoe', and I think an A from Max', and nothing that I could discern from anybody else.
Just for the record, I didn't ask anything about the current Potus. My question is repeated above for reference.
Just for the record, I didn't ask anything about the current Potus. My question is repeated above for reference.
A reserved A
So A I guess.
Well, your sorta did, although not exactly...I can see how you might think that in light of some of the discussions that have occurred here about firearms. That by saying some not flattering things about one candidate that I might be trying to gauge how everyone here felt about him. Perhaps I should have gone the other way and asked the same question only using the the opposite characters, but too late now I think.
This is all great discussion.....but...WHEN SUDDENLY...... he repeats the question.
When someone (say me, for example, if that helps) says that they "think the current Potus is a liar, a bumbling buffoon, a self aggrandizing nincompoop, and not worthy of the office."
Do you simply assume that said person (A) doesn't care for the current Potus, or do you also assume that they (B) really wanted Hillery or Bernie as our Potus?
So if you could please at the end of your post just let me know if it's A? or A&B?
Thanks.
So far I have a definite B from turbojoe', and I think an A from Max', and nothing that I could discern from anybody else.
Just for the record, I didn't ask anything about the current Potus. My question is repeated above for reference.
My answer would be A.Thanks C!
I like a different analogy- You are offered two ice creams flavors and you MUST to pick one of them to eat (for whatever reason):
* Dirt flavored, which is also in a horrible package and it looks nasty too
* Crap flavored, which is in a pretty container and looks a little more like normal chocolate
Obviously, neither is appealing. And you wonder how you got stuck in such a nasty taste selection. So you pick "dirt" (since the other is CRAP!) and eat it and say "OMG, dirt flavored is horrible, worst ice cream I have ever tasted."
Yes, it probably is the worst ice cream you have ever eaten, by far. And it might be even worse than you imagined it would taste. But that doesn't mean you would have rather chosen crap flavored
Thank you both for the answers.
I can see how you might think that in light of some of the discussions that have occurred here about firearms. That by saying some not flattering things about one candidate that I might be trying to gauge how everyone here felt about him. Perhaps I should have gone the other way and asked the same question only using the the opposite characters, but too late now I think.
My question was strictly what you thought about a person saying such as I mentioned. I just wanted to know if most people assume the B once they hear the A.
Now I don't don't mean to stifle anyone so post away, just if you would please eventually get around to answering the question. It can be at the very bottom of your post.
Thanks for moving this to a new post Brian. I'm not sure but I think sanmo didn't want me messing up what he had going on over there in the NALMBHGCLMAETGB section.
He didn't answer the question either. I really should have done a poll, but again, it's too late now.
I like a different analogy- You are offered two ice creams flavors and you MUST to pick one of them to eat (for whatever reason):
* Dirt flavored, which is also in a horrible package and it looks nasty too
* Crap flavored, which is in a pretty container and looks a little more like normal chocolate
Obviously, neither is appealing. And you wonder how you got stuck in such a nasty taste selection. So you pick "dirt" (since the other is CRAP!) and eat it and say "OMG, dirt flavored is horrible, worst ice cream I have ever tasted."
Yes, it probably is the worst ice cream you have ever eaten, by far. And it might be even worse than you imagined it would taste. But that doesn't mean you would have rather chosen crap flavored
Why would anyone take the time to make those particular artificial flavors with so much of natural stuff scattered about?
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And remember, many of us know each other actually pretty well from this forum and perhaps the occasional meeting at a Concours function. But we do not know each other on a very personal level, such as what most of us do for a livelihood, personal knowledge (spouse's name, children, etc., etc.). So I think we 'forum friends' escape most of the different facets that go toward choosing a political side. For example, I do not know what you did for a living (and I am not asking), so I have not the foggiest notion of your orientation regarding, say for example, labor unions or similar. Now Conrad mentioned he retired from <I think> a state position with a university (Illinois IIRC?) and seemed very content with his retirement arrangements; this would lead me to believe he might be more pro- union than others, and therefore, very possibly more left- leaning. But by far, my knowledge of the friends and associates I have 'known', some for quite some time, is nil and so I find that very helpful in NOT creating what may well be a false sense of any person here. So to put this in context: if it is not directly stated, I really know very little about most people here but if I were to be stuck in a teacher's rally demanding more [of whatever], I certainly would suspect they were predominantly pro- union, politically to the left and further, generally rather liberal, especially if located in a large city.
Brian
Why would anyone take the time to make those particular artificial flavors with so much of the natural stuff scattered about?