I have an 03 Vrod, it's a GREAT bike, however I call it the "purgatory bike", not in heaven- not in hell. The Harley group doesn't except you cause your on a "liquid cooled bike designed by Porsche" the Jap group doesn't except you cause your on a "Harley"... Therefore not in heaven or hell...kinda stuck in the middle. Like I've said here earlier, don't care. It is a GREAT bike though, and I just love pissing off all those narrow minded dolts.