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Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: Son of Pappy on October 22, 2011, 11:10:48 PM
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http://www.keepmynets.com/ (http://www.keepmynets.com/)
I'll be dumping them like a hot tater. Been with em since 2003. Drop my speed channel and the other fox family programs?? I'll go SOA on em ;)
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this irritates me big time. and this is what's screwed up about how dtv works:
1. as a hockey fan, i subscribe to nhl center ice.
2. if the wings are playing (the only team i'll watch), i have to do the following before attempting to record the game:
a. check the nhl network
b. check versus
c. check foxsports detroit
d. check one of the center ice channels
3. the reason is because of how the game is copyrighted or whatever. if the game i'm looking for is playing on all four channels, i will be denied access to three of the four above-listed channels! so when i see the wings are playing, i literally have to scan the channel guide to see what channels the game is on and act accordingly.
4. now here's the kicker- these nhl channels are really just the local fox channel anyhow! so am i now going to be denied access to a game if it isn't on (a) and/or (b) now?
watching hockey on the nhl channel is weak, as it's really a canadian pos channel...the audio is terrible and listening to the announcers makes me want to put ice picks in my ears! and of course, canadians envy us americans and our large, uh, manhood.
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I just sent a note to them (not that they care), but I will drop them like a hot potato and I hope they wind up like Netflix. This is the most stupid thing they can do. Heck, charge me extra, I don't care but I don't want to lose Speed and FX.... F em.
I just called customer support to complain and the overseas gentlemen assured me it was a rumour and that it wasn't going to happen. This is somewhat strange as I just put my zip code into their website and it said, in fact, those channels would disappear. He changed his tune somewhat after I reminded him of that. It was all I could do to stay semi-stable on the phone.
I have cable here and will go to them in a heartbeat if they drop those channels. F em again.
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WTF!!!
I've been a Direct TV subscriber for over 10 years and this is the first that I've heard of this. If I lose FX I'll be making a change, some of my fav shows are on that network.
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Call em and complain. Make those customer service people work on their English some more. Now I'm going to have to find some way to tell my wife that she won't be watching SOA for awhile. I'm so mad I could start drinking now.
Alternatives to these A**W***S?
Dish, your local cable company, anyway to get the episodes via the web?
1-800-531-5000
Update: Just told the wife.....she's pi***d as well.
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Call em and complain. Make those customer service people work on their English some more. Now I'm going to have to find some way to tell my wife that she won't be watching SOA for awhile. I'm so mad I could start drinking now.
Alternatives to these A**W***S?
Dish, your local cable company, anyway to get the episodes via the web?
1-800-531-5000
I just called that number Jim and spoke with a nice English speaking woman named Veronica. I told her flat out that if I lose FX that I'll be losing Direct TV. She said that they've been getting a lot of calls saying the same thing. She directed me to this website, http://www.ourpromisetoyou.com/ (http://www.ourpromisetoyou.com/)
She asked if there was anything else that she could do for me, I asked her if there were any free offers that I'm eligible for. She looked and I now have Showtime free for two months.
I've been with Direct TV since 2000.
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We had DirecTV for years and were paying extra for "premium" service calls because we'd had several problems. Well, we were having some roof repairs done, called them to move the dish and they said "3 weeks to get a worker out." We go, "but we have the extra cost premium service". They go: "3 weeks."
I had the roofer rip out the dish. Went to cable that day and won't be back. Ripoff company.
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I may also lose my local CBS afilliate. This happens all the time with all the subscriber based providers. I fwe do lose those outlets and/or prices go up, adios, DirecTV. Been with them for well over 10 years. Screw 'em.
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I just called that number Jim and spoke with a nice English speaking woman named Veronica. I told her flat out that if I lose FX that I'll be losing Direct TV. She said that they've been getting a lot of calls saying the same thing. She directed me to this website, http://www.ourpromisetoyou.com/ (http://www.ourpromisetoyou.com/)
She asked if there was anything else that she could do for me, I asked her if there were any free offers that I'm eligible for. She looked and I now have Showtime free for two months.
I've been with Direct TV since 2000.
That promise is nothing more than explaining the situation and that we will be losing those channels. We promise we'll dump those channels. My promise to them. If they do, they're gone.
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That promise is nothing more than explaining the situation and that we will be losing those channels. We promise we'll dump those channels. My promise to them. If they do, they're gone.
That's what I told her too. I said thanks for the free Showtime but if FX goes so do we.
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Any feedback on Dish? They have FX and Speed in HD and also BBCA in HD which Directv doesn't. Their packages appear to be a little less expensive as well on the surface. I may call them for a quote and see how it compares to what I have now. BBCA may be the tipping point for me. It is, of course, one of my favorite channels. The only downside is that I have to record the programs off the DVR first.
FX and Speed for the masses.... V for Vendetta!
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My son has Dish and likes it.
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i have not heard any kind things about dish.
now while i am not happy about this (a big understatement), we have to realize that dtv's threat to shut-off channels happens all the time...what usually ends up happening is that everyone comes to their senses and things go on as before. still, we have to keep up the pressure.
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I had just upgraded to the whole home system, new 24 month contract, found out whole home in their eyes is 2 rooms, installer told me I would need to drop another $99 to get a third HD receiver. After an hour on the phone (even told one of the folks she was on crack) I was finnaly told I would get a "free" HD receiver. I will eat the cost if on the 1st my Speed channel is gone, I have decided I will go with Wave cable and a bundled package, boost in net speed as I only have DSL. I have never heard any good things from Dish owners, but no personal experience.
Hey Jim, whadaya trying to do, get a mod to move this to the Arena ???
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I had just upgraded to the whole home system, new 24 month contract, found out whole home in their eyes is 2 rooms, installer told me I would need to drop another $99 to get a third HD receiver. After an hour on the phone (even told one of the folks she was on crack) I was finnaly told I would get a "free" HD receiver. I will eat the cost if on the 1st my Speed channel is gone, I have decided I will go with Wave cable and a bundled package, boost in net speed as I only have DSL. I have never heard any good things from Dish owners, but no personal experience.
Hey Jim, whadaya trying to do, get a mod to move this to the Arena ???
i hear you about the crap requirements of 'whole house' dvr! i have 4 dvr's in the house- 2 sd, 2 hd. before whole house became a paid service, it was a free beta and it worked pretty nicely.
something else that fry's my butt about dtv and its dvr's- they have the capability to connect to an external hdd for more storage, but what they don't tell you is that the new drive replaces the internal drive, meaning whatever you had on the internal drive is no longer accessible! what the F is that all about!?! and what's worse- they don't even guarantee that a drive will work or not!
about the only thing one can do is to remove the standard drive and hack in a new one. not sure about what can be done about the content on the standard drive.
as far as cable goes, i think comcast is the only one in my area and in no way shape or form will i go with them.
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Hey Jim, whadaya trying to do, get a mod to move this to the Arena ???
Possibly but everyone is agreeing with each other. Don't see much antagonism except to DTV and they ain't members. They may come to an agreement at the last minute or within a day or two, maybe but I have to be prepared. What has happened is that it's given me time to think about what I have and should I continue. I don't have any contractual things with them, I think, so I can cut them loose without any strings. It will give me time to research Dish and their forums. Course, their forums are like ours in that the sentiment about their products can be a bit hyper at times. I have a lot of trees around me so I have to be certain I can reach the sats. They can't be pointing any lower in the sky than what I have now otherwise it will be cable for me. I'm going to look at them as well. What I do like is BBCA is offered as an HD channel where DTV doesn't do that.
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I had Dish for 10 years and loved it. We went without any TV for about 18 months - no big deal. Then I wanted to watch World Cup Soccer last year so I brought Dish back with a two year contract. I regretted it before the first month was over. Installer said he'd be back to complete the install a couple of days later. He never came back. Dish made me pay a service call to get the installation completed. The Box that gave me goes on the fritz regularly. When I called them, they wanted to know what the tv was showing when the box fritzes out. I told them I get snow because the TV loses the signal from the Box. The don't believe me. In July the contract is up and they're gone. Without exception, Dish has treated worse than I've ever been treated by a vendor. With Direct TV and Time Warner being just as bad, I'll get rid of my television because there nothing on that I need to see badly enough to be treated as poorly as television vendors treat their customers.
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i hear you about the crap requirements of 'whole house' dvr! i have 4 dvr's in the house- 2 sd, 2 hd. before whole house became a paid service, it was a free beta and it worked pretty nicely.
something else that fry's my butt about dtv and its dvr's- they have the capability to connect to an external hdd for more storage, but what they don't tell you is that the new drive replaces the internal drive, meaning whatever you had on the internal drive is no longer accessible! what the F is that all about!?! and what's worse- they don't even guarantee that a drive will work or not!
about the only thing one can do is to remove the standard drive and hack in a new one. not sure about what can be done about the content on the standard drive.
as far as cable goes, i think comcast is the only one in my area and in no way shape or form will i go with them.
The last time I had a Dtv installer in my house, he brought a new DVR, he told me that if I wanted to hook up an external storage device to do it right away, before I recorded anything and it would work fine.
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Nothing goes away when you add external storage. Your videos stored there remain on the disk. You just can't access them anymore, at least until you disconnect the external disk. I don't understand why this is as the OS is Linux on the DVR. It's one of those things not high on their priority list or it's by design.
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@ Conrad: mine didn't tell me that, though he was helpful overall.
@ VJ: i understand that the programming recorded on the internal drive is still there, but it may as well be 'gone' for all intents and purposes...i think one has to do a hard reset in order for the system to kick on over to the other drive. i believe this is all by effin' design by DTV because the way satellite tv works in europe is much different (as in they make cards for your pc so that you can build your own htpc/dvr for satellite programming...something you can't do here).
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Yep.
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total bs.
so the other night, i set my dvr to record the wings vs jackets game. i checked the channels as i mentioned and set it to record on channel 663 fox sports detroit.
well after a hectic day, i say down with some late dinner to enjoy the game only to be told that i wasn't authorized to view the game because i didn't have the correct package (i.e. i didn't subscribe to nhl center ice, which i totally do)!
so i called DTV immediately (about 9pm central) and bitched out every single CSR that came on the line. one guy tried to tell me that the code on the screen meant that it was blacked-out...BS i told the idiot! i told him that if a game is blacked-out, the receiver automatically searches for the game on a different channel and does it without user intervention.
then i got on them saying that i've been a customer with dtv longer than they've been employed with them and i can tell the difference between a blackout message vs you ain't authorized message.
and of course i informed them about how there are a bunch of peeps who are not happy with their decision to drop fox sports and the rest, to which dude replied that they were trying to raise their rates by 40% and that dtv was 'holding the line for its customers'. yeah that went over good with me too. i just let them know that i don't want to have to call them on november 2nd to cancel the service altogether.
dang- i forgot to complain about how new customers get a free season of nfl sunday ticket while those of us who've been customers for over a decade get squat.
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total bs.
dang- i forgot to complain about how new customers get a free season of nfl sunday ticket while those of us who've been customers for over a decade get squat.
Yeah, that pisses me off to no end! I can understand offering something for free to attract new customers but as you said, what about the folks who have been with DTV for years? What do we get? A free movie once a year, BFD!!!
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Yeah, that pisses me off to no end! I can understand offering something for free to attract new costomers but as you said, what about the folks who have been with DTV for years? What do we get? A free movie once a year, BFD!!!
Yes, there is that as well. I'm seriously leaning towards Dish at the moment just because of BBCA being in HD. That would be enough to push me over the top. I'm waiting now to see what's going to happen Nov. 1. Giving me a premium channel to stay won't do it for me. I've had them on and off for years and then get bored with it after a month as I've usually seen the 'new' movies on them already. I can rent a movie for a buck at a Blockbuster kiosk and Dish is offering a connection to Blockbuster movies for free (don't know the time period). I've dumped Netflix so it would be easy to dump DTV.
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total bs.
so the other night, i set my dvr to record the wings vs jackets game. i checked the channels as i mentioned and set it to record on channel 663 fox sports detroit.
well after a hectic day, i say down with some late dinner to enjoy the game only to be told that i wasn't authorized to view the game because i didn't have the correct package (i.e. i didn't subscribe to nhl center ice, which i totally do)!
so i called DTV immediately (about 9pm central) and bitched out every single CSR that came on the line. one guy tried to tell me that the code on the screen meant that it was blacked-out...BS i told the idiot! i told him that if a game is blacked-out, the receiver automatically searches for the game on a different channel and does it without user intervention.
then i got on them saying that i've been a customer with dtv longer than they've been employed with them and i can tell the difference between a blackout message vs you ain't authorized message.
Where do you live? I have the NHL Center Ice package, live in Columbus, but am a Blackhawks fan. When the Jackets play the Hawks, the Hawks feed is blacked out and I have to watch the crappy Columbus broadcast. And, of course, all the regional sports channels outside of Columbus, are always unavailable regardless of what's on (unless there's some level of service that let's you see channels outside your region?). So, if you're in Columbus, you will never get the Fox Sports Detroit channel, regardless of who they are playing. If you're in Detroit, though, I agree, you should have gotten it and it isn't subject to blackout by a Columbus feed.
The issue I had last night was that all the Center Ice HD channels were showing the message that I needed to subscribe to the service, so I had to watch the Hawks game in non-HD - YUCK!!
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Where do you live? I have the NHL Center Ice package, live in Columbus, but am a Blackhawks fan. When the Jackets play the Hawks, the Hawks feed is blacked out and I have to watch the crappy Columbus broadcast. And, of course, all the regional sports channels outside of Columbus, are always unavailable regardless of what's on (unless there's some level of service that let's you see channels outside your region?). So, if you're in Columbus, you will never get the Fox Sports Detroit channel, regardless of who they are playing. If you're in Detroit, though, I agree, you should have gotten it and it isn't subject to blackout by a Columbus feed.
The issue I had last night was that all the Center Ice HD channels were showing the message that I needed to subscribe to the service, so I had to watch the Hawks game in non-HD - YUCK!!
i live just outside of nashville, tn, and i too have a problem with predator games (though i never really watch them anyhow)...they can be playing at home on 10 channels but i'll never get to see most of them!
i agree about crappy broadcasts...the nhl network totally blows with its sound. when i'm watching the game, i want to watch and listen to the detroit feed, mostly because i think their commentators are the best in the league.
that's something i did touch upon the non-helpful CSR from dtv...that a game will be shown as playing on multiple channels but you never know which one you actually have to tune to! WTF is that all about? and if you try to record the game from one of the nhl channels, you're going to have a recording about 8 hours long- about 2 1/2 hours of game and the rest that stupid dtv logo blue screen!
god i can't even think straight right now!
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I'm thinking of going with Comcast, thoughts?
I currently have Comcast as my ISP.
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I'm thinking of going with Comcast, thoughts?
I currently have Comcast as my ISP.
If they have the channels you want, why not? I've had good service on my ISP (Metrocast) but I only use them for broadband at the moment. Still looking at Dish, though.
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I'm gonna look at Dish too.
Comcast does have the chans that I want and the price for the 1st 6 months is less than what I'm paying now for ISP and DTV. Once the 6 months are over the price will be about the same, maybe just a lil less.
Did you watch SOA Jim? BIG happenings!
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I'm gonna look at Dish too.
Comcast does have the chans that I want and the price for the 1st 6 months is less than what I'm paying now for ISP and DTV. Once the 6 months are over the price will be about the same, maybe just a lil less.
Did you watch SOA Jim? BIG happenings!
No, we'll have to savor this episode tonight as it may be the last from DTV....
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I took a look at Dish's site and for ~ the same programing that I'm currenting getting with DTV, plus adding HD in another room (no DVR), the price would be just a lil less than DTV. Tempting!
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I guess it's all a waiting game for now. I've seen the c**p both sides are posting on the Speed Channel. I look at it like this, I'm a DTV customer. I don't give a rats you know what about their internal goings ons and negotiations with other providers. I want Speed and FX. If you can't deliver then the heck with you and I'll go somewhere else. I left my cable provider 11 years ago because they didn't have Speed. I can do the same to DTV.
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even if DTV dumped these channels, in no way would i go over to dish. i am under the impression that to get their hd channels, you have to install another dish or something like that. their hd channels aren't always hd either...one moment it's hd then another it's sd. and they have fewer hd channels to boot. i hear customer service is crap.
comcast just does things that irritates me to no end. they have a long history with the fcc fining them for crap like bandwidth throttling, charging an arm and a leg, poor customer service, and spying.
in the end, i think both sides are going to come to an agreement. i see it all the time with other channels on other providers.
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Even if they come to an agreement, I'm going to call and say I'm going to cancel for the pain and suffering. I'm sure they'll bribe me with something to stay, I hope. If not, I really will. I've got enough stress at work. I don't need my TV networks getting into the act. Someone has to pay, I tell you!
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this channel thing goes on with all providers...this is the first time i've heard of this happening on dtv.
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even if DTV dumped these channels, in no way would i go over to dish. i am under the impression that to get their hd channels, you have to install another dish or something like that. their hd channels aren't always hd either...one moment it's hd then another it's sd. and they have fewer hd channels to boot. i hear customer service is crap.
I haven't counted the HD channels, but I haven't had any problems with HD switching to SD. I have a LOT of HD channels available on Dish. Including my local (Albany, NY) broadcast channels. There's only one dish necessary, and I have three receivers hooked to it. (One dual-tuner DVR and two regular receivers) When I have a couple of extra bucks, I can change the receivers into DVRs by adding a USB hard drive, and a one-time fee ($40 each IIRC) to Dish.
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I'm thinking of going with Comcast, thoughts?
I currently have Comcast as my ISP.
I've got Comcast C, phone/highspeed/ and main HD box w/DVR with 3 additional HD w/DVR's, works great for us... :thumbs:
But not cheap IMO... :(
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I haven't counted the HD channels, but I haven't had any problems with HD switching to SD. I have a LOT of HD channels available on Dish. Including my local (Albany, NY) broadcast channels. There's only one dish necessary, and I have three receivers hooked to it. (One dual-tuner DVR and two regular receivers) When I have a couple of extra bucks, I can change the receivers into DVRs by adding a USB hard drive, and a one-time fee ($40 each IIRC) to Dish.
Jon, so you're happy with Dish?
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Jon, so you're happy with Dish?
Well, until the snow (in October!?!) last night took out my signal completely. >:(
I think I'm going to have to get up on my roof and check the alignment. And maybe knock down a tree...
But in general, yes, I'm happy with Dish. But realize that Dish or DirecTV are my only options, as the cable company doesn't see any need to service my area... (Otherwise, I'd likely be on cable for TV and broadband, but I'm stuck with DSL.)
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I took a look at Dish's site and for ~ the same programing that I'm currenting getting with DTV, plus adding HD in another room (no DVR), the price would be just a lil less than DTV. Tempting!
I installed residential AV for many years... Dish customer service was a nightmare to try to deal with...
YMMV.
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Good news!!!!!!!!!Seems they have reached a deal and we wont be losing our fav channels..................................... Me thinks our emails and calls worked as designed. ;D
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Good news!!!!!!!!!Seems they have reached a deal and we wont be losing our fav channels..................................... Me thinks our emails and calls worked as designed. ;D
I think that something worked as designed at least, was it on our part or theirs? :o
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I think I'm still going to look at Dish. I've got a bit of a sour note on DTV now. They put me through a lot of stress here lately. Not real happy with that at all.
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I think I'm still going to look at Dish. I've got a bit of a sour note on DTV now. They put me through a lot of stress here lately. Not real happy with that at all.
Have a drink and watch SOA, you'll be fine. Unlike poor Piney...
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Have a drink and watch SOA, you'll be fine. Unlike poor Piney...
Oh no! We haven't watched last week's episode yet as we like to save them up and watch several at once. Without going into details, am I going to have to have some sort of tranquilizer to watch this one?
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Oh no! We haven't watched last week's episode yet as we like to save them up and watch several at once. Without going into details, am I going to have to have some sort of tranquilizer to watch this one?
I would suggest it yes.
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:'(
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For those of you looking at a comparison to Directv vs Dish, here's a website that does a side-by-side view....
http://www.dishcomparison.com/dish-network-vs-directv.php (http://www.dishcomparison.com/dish-network-vs-directv.php)
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i'm the same with breaking bad...i have 11 episodes i need to watch!
btw, i called it...i mentioned that this 'you're going to lose your channels if blah blah blah' has happened before. despite these hiccups, i don't think you're going to be happier on dish from what i've heard.
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I just received this email from Directv:
Dear Customer,
As you may have heard, DIRECTV has been in talks with News Corp./Fox about continuing to carry Fox-owned channels. We're pleased to announce that an agreement has been reached. There will be NO service interruption. All channels will remain on the air, including:
FX
National Geographic Channel
Nat Geo WILD
SPEED
FUEL TV
FOX Soccer
FOX Soccer Plus
FOX Deportes
Fox regional sports networks
Fox News channel
Fox Broadcasting (FOX)
Fox Business Network
Fox Movie Channel
Your local FOX station
We apologize for any inconvenience and thank you for your patience.
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does this mark the end of this thread? :)
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Possibly...
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till the next chapter.
stay tuned...
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i just heard that dtv is about ready to dump all of the spanish-language, soccer, and home shopping stations... :)
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i just heard that dtv is about ready to dump all of the spanish-language, soccer, and home shopping stations... :)
:thumbs: :goodpost: ;)
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You know, I wonder if an ala carte would work? I know I'd dump 9/10ths of what was on the card. It would weed out the non-performing channels fairly quickly.
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i just heard that dtv is about ready to dump all of the spanish-language, soccer, and home shopping stations... :)
That would be fine with me, I already have all those stations removed from my custom list anyways.
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That would be fine with me, I already have all those stations removed from my custom list anyways.
I LOVE the custom list feature. Second only to the DVR. I really don't care what's on Nickelodeon, Disney, ToonDisney, any station where I don't speak the language, etc.
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seriously, i think they have like 1000 channels and i have about 100 or less selected...and most of them are the fox sports and nhl center ice channels!
same thing with sirrus/xm...i listen to 4 stations: FNC, America Right, Fox News Radio, and of course, the BIG 80s! :)