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Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: mikeyw64 on June 29, 2017, 12:17:07 AM
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WTF were they thinking???
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40438207 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40438207)
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OMG- they thought a book would stop a .50-calibre at point-blank range? Wow. But not even TESTING such an utterly stupid stunt beforehand.... the stupidity is so much as to be almost unbelievable.
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Yeah, that book is no doubt ruined now.
Brian
WTF were they thinking???
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40438207 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40438207)
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OMG- they thought a book would stop a .50-calibre at point-blank range? Wow. But not even TESTING such an utterly stupid stunt beforehand.... the stupidity is so much as to be almost unbelievable.
30 people watching and yet no one suggested it was a bad idea.
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Yeah, that book is no doubt ruined now.
Brian
explain that away when you take it back to the library ;)
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Unfortunately the legend lives on. Should have tried the stunt before she got impregnated.
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/us/fatal-youtube-stunt/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/us/fatal-youtube-stunt/index.html)
Genius!
Hey, I've got an idea. Hold my beer and watch this!
What's the worst that can happen?
Oh yeah.
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Yeah, that book is no doubt ruined now.
Brian
:yikes: Oh the humanity!
A 50 calibre handgun? Never knew something like that existed. Although I guess it's not much of a stretch above a 45.
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Not that I want to see the dummass get shot but I'd like to see how the cupcake handled the recoil.
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In barrel and projectile diameter, no but in power and muzzle energy, it is in another orbit entirely. Same thing with the firearms using those two cartridges; .45 ACPs are available in 3" barrel, lightweight carry pistols (though not 'pocket pistols') while a .50 AE (Action Express and it does use both of those words) is only available in a Desert Eagle, a gas- operated, very large chunk of pistol. Worlds apart. A truly poor choice in calibers to try and use a book small enough for a human to hold as body armor while actually testing the theory. A .45 with ball ammo would have actually been a pretty good, no, very good choice as far as calibers goes..... still mixed up in a truly terrible experiment of course.
Assuming the shooter is anywhere near a normal sized female, and not a world- champion body builder or similar, I betcha' her hand hurts from shooting that pistol in that caliber. Not as much as her boyfriend perhaps but painful nevertheless.
The 'normal' way to test penetration (Boys!) on things not welded to vehicles or attached to buildings is to set them in soft sand to support them and then shoot them.
But after scanning the headlines of any legitimate news organization for the last few years, is this event really all that surprising? The gene pool could use a little chlorine....
As an aside, that is is the legal limit for civilian use in the US, 50 caliber for any firearm, long gun or short (rifle or handgun) firing a single projectile. Which at first may sound silly but there are a whole PILE of European, mostly British, 'dangerous game' calibers in normal use for hunting that cannot be used or even possessed in the US. Calibers such as the .600 Nitro Express, a popular caliber for professional hunters in Africa and used for thick- skinned game, the usual being elephant, rhinoceros and hippo. Dangerous game pistol calibers would include the .460 S&W, the .500 S&W (world's most powerful handgun caliber) and a few others such as the .50 A.E., and these would be used on all large game in most places in the world other than a select few in Africa and India but would included the dreaded 'Book-skin Youtuber' found in the southern United States..... ::)
Brian
:yikes: Oh the humanity!
A 50 calibre handgun? Never knew something like that existed. Although I guess it's not much of a stretch above a 45.
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Spending a day at a Florida beach WHEN SUDDENLY, seven sharks swim up to the very edge of the water. Witnesses say that the sharks were between two and seven feet long and two appeared to be fighting. If present as a beach goer, what do you do?
1) stay out of the water 'cause shark bites are painful and cause permanent damage.
2) Stay where you are and be amazed about the sharks.
3) Walk into the water to get a closer look at these sharks.
The correct answer seems to be choice 3. Hmmmmm, maybe they had books to hind behind if the sharks attacked them?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sharks-caught-video-swimming-florida-204130185.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/sharks-caught-video-swimming-florida-204130185.html)
Brian
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A 50 calibre handgun? Never knew something like that existed.
Oh yes- Desert Eagle. Has been out a long time (and a few others). It is absolutely huge.
Although I guess it's not much of a stretch above a 45.
Think again.... it might not have much more diameter, but it is a lot longer. It has tremendous power.
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Yep - couldn't agree more.
The gene pool needed a bit of chlorine in it. It's too bad she's pregnant with (presumably) his kid. So the Darwin thing isn't going to fly, unfortunately.
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Not a revolver but a gas- operated, locked breech, self- loader. Magazine fed, loaded through the grip (frame). The layout looks very similar to the usual self- loading pistols all over the place but it is really quite rare in that it is gas- operated while most self- loaders (or semi- autos) are short recoil, locked breech designs; these two designs are entirely different and do not resemble each other in any way regarding operation.
There are .50 caliber revolvers and all that I know of are quite powerful, far more so than the .50 AE. The most common, and taking the title of the 'world's most powerful handgun' is the S&W Model 500, chambered in 500 S&W Magnum. A most impressive and punishing to shoot handgun.
Both of these will easily penetrate all the way through all the books a normal human could hold IMO and most certainly the 500 S&W.
As modern times promote hasty eating to a large extent, it is not surprising to learn that a great astronomer said: “Two things are infinite, as far as we know – the universe and human stupidity.” To-day we know that this statement is not quite correct. Einstein has proved that the universe is limited.
-Fredrick S. Perls
And now 'Jethro' and his book have proven the other side, human stupidity really does appear to be infinite.
Brian
Oh yes, revolver- Desert Eagle. Has been out a long time (and a few others). It is absolutely huge.
Think again.... it might not have much more diameter, but it is a lot longer. It has tremendous power.
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I find it implausible for someone to own a Desert Eagle .50 AE and not know that it would penetrate a book. She or the boyfriend never shot it before because it would have left an impression. There has got to me more to this story.
And like someone else said, should have done this stunt before getting pregnant for Darwinism to kick in.
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Spending a day at a Florida beach WHEN SUDDENLY, seven sharks swim up to the very edge of the water. Witnesses say that the sharks were between two and seven feet long and two appeared to be fighting. If present as a beach goer, what do you do?
1) stay out of the water 'cause shark bites are painful and cause permanent damage.
2) Stay where you are and be amazed about the sharks.
3) Walk into the water to get a closer look at these sharks.
The correct answer seems to be choice 3. Hmmmmm, maybe they had books to hind behind if the sharks attacked them?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sharks-caught-video-swimming-florida-204130185.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/sharks-caught-video-swimming-florida-204130185.html)
Brian
Ever since Jaws, I've never gone over ankle deep in any natural body of water.
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I used to be a commercial diver.
This one day, on a job with my brother, we were taking turns (Easy Boys! My brother!) working a piling; at the end of his down time, he comes onto the boat and says he thinks he saw a shark swim by (we are in southern New England, not far at all from Martha's Vineyard, where Jaws was filmed and there are some large sharks around these parts, including Great Whites). He then spent the next one- half hour convincing me (but really himself) that it was not a shark, if it was, it was not a big shark, etc., etc.. A little funny, a little sad and frankly a little off- putting, all at once.
We did carry bang sticks, and while they are extremely effective against any size shark, it is unlikely any diver but especially a commercial diver (dark dives, limited to no visibility, usually facing down, working, etc.) would ever have a chance to use one on a shark before the shark already had the diver.
But the bright side is that sharks usually bite and then spit divers back out. It appears they do not like the taste of our suits. So it really all comes down to how bit the shark is and how large that first taste is as to how much damage the diver suffers.
Personally, I would be far, far more cautious about diving in a lot of other places than here including southern US waters, Australian waters, etc.
But look at the bright side: virtually no one ever gets shot underwater and the odds of getting hit by, say, a drunken driver go WAY down so there are those plusses.....
Brian
Ever since Jaws, I've never gone over ankle deep in any natural body of water.
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Speaking of Jaws...
WAY back when my wife and I first met, and I do mean WAY back, 1975. I was living in Naples Florida and she came down on a vacation (longer story). We went on our first date and it was to the drive-in to see Jaws. Scary stuff!
Our second date, the next day, was spending the day at the beach. (if you're familiar with the Naples area, it was the beach south of the Naples Pier) We were out swimming in water about chest high when I stepped on an electric Skate (like an electric eel but in the shape of a stingray). It hurt like a MF but I was trying to be macho and didn't let her know how badly this thing hurt me. Then I stepped on another one and macho went out the window. She was really scared (remember Jaws) and I just didn't want to step on another Skate! She jumped on my back and I headed for the shore. On the way I stepped on two more Skates.
It was interesting that while she was on my back, I got the **** shocked out of me, she didn't.
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.50 cal is the biggest hou can own?
Hmm....700 Nitro Express, .68 black pwder, or how about the .950 JDJ?
All legal.
Heck, a 12 ga is .729 dia.
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I used to be a commercial diver.
This one day, on a job with my brother, we were taking turns (Easy Boys! My brother!) working a piling; at the end of his down time, he comes onto the boat and says he thinks he saw a shark swim by (we are in southern New England, not far at all from Martha's Vineyard, where Jaws was filmed and there are some large sharks around these parts, including Great Whites). He then spent the next one- half hour convincing me (but really himself) that it was not a shark, if it was, it was not a big shark, etc., etc.. A little funny, a little sad and frankly a little off- putting, all at once.
We did carry bang sticks, and while they are extremely effective against any size shark, it is unlikely any diver but especially a commercial diver (dark dives, limited to no visibility, usually facing down, working, etc.) would ever have a chance to use one on a shark before the shark already had the diver.
But the bright side is that sharks usually bite and then spit divers back out. It appears they do not like the taste of our suits. So it really all comes down to how bit the shark is and how large that first taste is as to how much damage the diver suffers.
Personally, I would be far, far more cautious about diving in a lot of other places than here including southern US waters, Australian waters, etc.
But look at the bright side: virtually no one ever gets shot underwater and the odds of getting hit by, say, a drunken driver go WAY down so there are those plusses.....
Brian
I can aslo verfie sharks like there meals (clairity ) unwrapped and free of cans of gas :) I was not as glam as the commies, I taught scuba all over the world but every single class was the question what about sharks :)
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Black powder firearms are exempt but I was ignoring them because they are not in common use as it pertains to this conversation.
I specifically mentioned that this limit to cartridges designed to fire a single projectile; shotguns do not have the .50 caliber limit imposed and while they certainly CAN fire slugs, they are meant to and designed to fire multiple projectiles (as in 'shot').
The original .50 AE Desert Eagle was polygon rifled. Because of that, it had no lands and with a major bore diameter of 0.510", the BATFE gage (yes, they have a 'no go' gauge; if said gage drops through a barrel, that firearm is illegal for a civilian to possess in the US without an NFA 'dangerous weapon' transfer sticker, which is not available at all in many states, such as the one I live in). So IMI changed the rifling type to the more conventional land and groove, and left the major diameter at .510" but because of the lands, the minor diameter is small enough to prevent the BATFE's gage from dropping through.
Brian
.50 cal is the biggest hou can own?
Hmm....700 Nitro Express, .68 black pwder, or how about the .950 JDJ?
All legal.
Heck, a 12 ga is .729 dia.
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Ah, SCUBA. Know what the difference is between a commercial and a SCUBA diver? A SCUBA diver gets out of the water to $h!t.
ROFLMAO but it is true. While it has never happened to me personally, those diving on things such as oil rigs are lowered into the water via a crane, and taken out the same way. The platform is far above the water, and getting the diver in or out of a suit and hard- hat (yep, they still use those) is time consuming, as is lowering and raising him / her into / out of the water. So guess what: once a dive begins, it continues until the task is finished. Now the diver is almost always wearing a dry suit, and some kind of regular, dry garments underneath so if the 'call of nature' must be answered..... well, it ain't pretty. At the end of the dive, and the end of the retrieval, with the diver back on the deck, he / she just gets out of the suit, walks away and takes a shower.
Ya' gots' ta' be tuff ta' be a commercial diver.
Ya' gots' ta' be a lot tuffer to be a commercial diver tender 'cause that is the guy who has to..... er, 'tend' the diver and the diver's equipment, including that suit he just left lying on the deck.
If Roy Scheider was a diving tender, he would have used the line 'We're gonna' need a bigger hose!'.
Can I get a collective 'Ewwwwwww'?
A little ;D, a little :o and a fair amount of :hitfan:
Back to sharks and diving: funny thing but while everyone thinks of that first, there are actually much worse and more common things that divers should worry about, starting with the usual diving stuff such as an embolism, Caisson's disease ('The Bends'), hypothermia but also including things like Barracuda, all the eels with teeth, lots of other non- shark sea creatures, and depending on where one is and what one is wearing, things like sharp corral, poisonous stuff, both animal and mineral (some lethal, most not, all painful and to be avoided) and a host of other things. Funny how we focus in on 'sharks' as the big deal when getting into the water.... I do not know but I betcha' far more people catch stings from those really nasty jellyfish than are even nudged by sharks.
Brian
I can aslo verfie sharks like there meals (clairity ) unwrapped and free of cans of gas :) I was not as glam as the commies, I taught scuba all over the world but every single class was the question what about sharks :)
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Black powder [..]
You know entirely too much about firearms :) I want you present the next time I go to the range...
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A little ;D, a little :o and a fair amount of :hitfan:
Back to sharks and diving: funny thing but while everyone thinks of that first, there are actually much worse and more common things that divers should worry about, starting with the usual diving stuff such as an embolism, Caisson's disease ('The Bends'), hypothermia but also including things like Barracuda, all the eels with teeth, lots of other non- shark sea creatures, and depending on where one is and what one is wearing, things like sharp corral, poisonous stuff, both animal and mineral (some lethal, most not, all painful and to be avoided) and a host of other things. Funny how we focus in on 'sharks' as the big deal when getting into the water.... I do not know but I betcha' far more people catch stings from those really nasty jellyfish than are even nudged by sharks.
Brian
I was always more worried about the ride to the boat and people than sharks :)
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Now you have lost me: please explain the difference between people and sharks. Use words, diagrams, metaphors, drawings, pictures, videos and anything else that you think would make a good teaching tool; I have always found one of them a wholly self- interested, task- driven, of exceeding narrow view and interests, seeking self indulgence to the point of cause any amount of damage possible including to itself, and generally falling to the lowest form of any possible existence available to it. It is also very able, cunning, tanacious (my favorite quality in anything) and extremely skilled in many areas. The other one is a fish that is wholly self- interested, task- driven..... well, you get the idea.
Please define identifiable facets that might be used to identify each separately.
One is commonly seen on the 'Animal Planet' network. The other is commonly seen on the 'Crazy Channel' network.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Brian (a wholly self- interested, task- driven..... well, you know)
P.S. Sorry but am killing time waiting for the National Grip boom truck to show up and taking it out on your folks apparently. :-)
I was always more worried about the ride to the boat and people than sharks :)
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P.S. Sorry but am killing time waiting for the National Grip boom truck to show up and taking it out on your folks apparently. :-)
I, for one, don't mind. I took the day off to prevent my vacation time from overflowing. Spent all day at the computer so far, mostly screening music, trying to find something new/interesting/good/different. Takes a LOT of time/effort. zggtr.org is a good distraction.
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Firearms have shaped and defined my entire life. More accurately, one firearm has shaped my life: John Moses Browning's self- loading pistol, Model of 1911 (M1911 as adopted in 1911, and M1911A1 as a slightly improved version adopted in 1924). Everything I have done, learned, my livelihood, my learning, my education (formal and otherwise) are directly and linearly linked and start when I first me 'Old Slab Sides', 'The Warhorse', when I was 9 years old. Too young to rack the slide by pulling on it but not too young to realize what I had in my hand (Easy Boys! Not that hand, the other one). Other firearms contributed but nothing at all even approaching Mr. Browning's finest work, IMO of course.
My youngest son served in Iraq in 2010, and told me that there was always some kind of 'chatter' going on outside the reservation where he was stationed. He could usually tell the M4's from the AK's (another true genius, Mikhail Kalashnikov) but could always tell when 'Ma Duece' spoke up from the perimeter edge. Yep, the old Browning M2, a recoil operated, heavy machine gun of a sufficient caliber to penetrate entire engine blocks (what it was designed for), introduced as the M1919 in (yeah) 1919 in 30-06 caliber, adopted in its current form in 1933 in .50 BMG, its current caliber and still in active service as the longest serving military firearm in US history..... OTHER than the M1911). So it turns out one of the best firearm designs ever, designed by one of my all- time heroes, was being actively used to protect my son, one of my favorite people( ;D), while fighting on foreign soil.
I am absolutely serious and the above is entirely true, no sort of about it. I can give you a layout of how that went, well at least so far 'cause I do not know how it ends, at least for me (J.M. Browning died of of a massive M.I., at his design table, in Belgium (Fabrique Nationale specifically, usually referred to as simply FN) as an old man in 1926, while working on an improved version of his M1911, introduced after his death as the Browning Hi-Power or as it is known world- wide, the P35). But probably not in this thread 'cause that would be OFFTOPIC. ::)
You tell me where to put it (Easy Max! I meant the story) and I will jot something short down. Still waiting for National Grid though losing hope now....
Brian
You know entirely too much about firearms :) I want you present the next time I go to the range...
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So I guess the .700 Nitro Express and .929 JDJ fire more than one projectile....
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Perhaps....
Buy one, take a photo of the 4473 you filled out that shows a firearm, preferably a rifled firearm, designed to fire a single projectile only that is LARGER than a half- inch (redact your personal information of course) and I will absolutely believe you in your implying that what I am saying is incorrect.
Grab some hen's teeth and a unicorn fart while you are at it for a truly impressive story. ;D
Brian
So I guess the .700 Nitro Express and .929 JDJ fire more than one projectile....
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But they are not illegal, just like full auto firearms. Ftull auto...just pay the tax. Not illegal.
The 700NE and 950JDJ have sporting use exemptions.
But they are not illegal or they wouldnt be made and then made public.
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I do not know what your point is but sure, OK.
Have a great day.... sincerely, not sarcastically.
Brian
But they are not illegal, just like full auto firearms. Ftull auto...just pay the tax. Not illegal.
The 700NE and 950JDJ have sporting use exemptions.
But they are not illegal or they wouldnt be made and then made public.
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just pay the tax.
It is more than just a tax- it is additional paperwork and checks and waiting but most invasively- being fingerprinting like a criminal suspect/arrestee. And those prints will go into every networked print database forever and will be search every time any print is run for any research, ever (making you a possible suspect in anything that ever happens). And yes, there are those of us who actually are not in that database, and would like to remain that way.
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It is more than just a tax- it is additional paperwork and checks and waiting but most invasively- being fingerprinting like a criminal suspect/arrestee. And those prints will go into every networked print database forever and will be search every time any print is run for any research, ever (making you a possible suspect in anything that ever happens). And yes, there are those of us who actually are not in that database, and would like to remain that way.
:rotflmao: Keep believing. 8)
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WAY OFFTOPIC:
Well, a lot of that does depend on where you are. States such as PA, for example, have handgun registration. But the majority of the country does not.
Most of us fill out a federal form 4473 to transfer (purchase, inherit, receive as gifts, whatever but to come into ownership of a firearm) and while the background check to NCIC is generated by that form, the Gummit does not actually know: 1) if you actually took possession of a firearm, filling out a form does NOT mean one transferred a firearm, it only means one has APPLIED to transfer a firearm) 2) what firearm it is, other than a long gun or a handgun 3) when you took possession of a firearm, other than it was w/in a 30 day window of filling out the form. I personally have filled out dozens of 4473's and not actually transferred a firearm, allowing the form to expire. And there were (and maybe are) many people who fill out two 4473's (one for a long gun, one for a handgun) each month in the event they find something they want to purchase, there is no waiting period.... more accurately, the waiting period is over and they can take possession immediately upon falling in love with the little fella'. ;)
But as I said, it varies by state: in a state I have been a resident of, if one took possession of more than one handgun w/in a 5 business day period, the FFL was required to notify both the BATFE as well as the state police. Taking possession of any number of long guns or a single handgun in that time period did not result in the same requirement. Which is why, in that state, some individuals would fill out several 4473's, days apart, if you get my drift.
But while there are certain pools of information that the Gummit, federal and state, has access to, I personally do not believe there is any national, organized database of 'gun registration'. And even if there is, there is so very much..... 'hardware' flying below the radar, it would not do much good IMO.
The non- Americans and quite a few Americans of a specific leaning must find threads like these fascinating and utterly amazing. I have spent some time in Germany and The Netherlands and the people I spoke to there simply could not believe "we" can buy, own, posses, transport and generally 'have' firearms, exactly as we do under our current and previous laws.
Brian
:rotflmao: Keep believing. 8)
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Hey, I am with you being [not in] that database.
I think.
:rotflmao:
I know I have never been fingerprinted.... I know this because I have been in posession of my fingerprints for decades now know what they have bee up to..... :-)
Brian (is that his real name?)
It is more than just a tax- it is additional paperwork and checks and waiting but most invasively- being fingerprinting like a criminal suspect/arrestee. And those prints will go into every networked print database forever and will be search every time any print is run for any research, ever (making you a possible suspect in anything that ever happens). And yes, there are those of us who actually are not in that database, and would like to remain that way.
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WAY OFFTOPIC:
And thats a problem because ;)
If you're ever bored you could always read up on the UK regulations :)
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/firearms-law-guidance-to-the-police-2012 (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/firearms-law-guidance-to-the-police-2012)
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OFFTOPIC STILL:
Well, this is a moderated forum with rules, and when things go too far astray someone will come along and fix it..... which I think is a fine and good thing. And because this forum does have useful content, organized into fairly neat 'piles' (threads, sections, etc.) and so I try not to pollute a useful thread too badly. This one is more for amusement in the first place I believe so not as serious but I would not go on this long in a thread about, say, C-14 brakes, and if a moderator does.... well, moderate, this thread or my posts, I would not be upset or believe he / she to be in the wrong.
You may be surprised to find just how much many Americans know about not only your current gun regulations but also the history of arms control ('you' had 'arms' long before firearms: 'we' of course did not and that makes a HUGE difference). A lot of us follow it quite closely, as well as the new regulations and general 'gun control' stances in Australia, Canada and other places. For example, I know that <something like> 70% of your entire police force is unarmed although that is changing somewhat rapidly due to more recent terrorist events in your country. Many of us know that firearms are virtually banned in Australia as the result of pretty recent (less than 20 years if memory serves) "mass shootings". The UK has also recently stepped up an already (to us in the US) series of very restrictive firearms laws, resulting in the <virtual> banning of private handgun ownership and closely controlled and very restrictive (again from our point of view) firearms regulation for ALL firearms.
This is a very active and contentious issue in the US for the last 30 or so years and has really 'ramped up' since 2012. There are three sides (there are always three sides in all issues I think):
1) those in favor of tighter firearms regulation from a few more laws to the total ban (a la Australia) of private firearm possession. UPD: Unilateral Personal Disarmament to quote a pro- gun advocate, the late Jeff Cooper.
2) Those in favor of no more firearm restrictions and / or the reduction of existing regulation and control. [photo of Brian here]
3) The great majority who really do not care one way or the other, or if they have an opinion, it is a minor issue at best. [the same way I feel about another hot- button issue in the US, abortion, for example]
I will not go further in this thread because it is not appropriate IMO and will become instantaneously rabidly political, although the vast number of people who really like motorcycles tend to lean toward the pro- gun side, not the pro- gun control side, interestingly enough. I am 100% a majority vote of this forum, of forum members, would be pro- gun.
I will say however, that the majority of the rest of the first- world has an unbelievably incorrect opinion that there are lots of guns "around" here, and a visitor would see them everywhere: not true, other than boni fide, uniformed Law Enforcement Officers, and the second is that there are shootings all the time, all over the place in the US, again extremely incorrect. We do have a significant number of firearms deaths but we must use statistics to understand where, when and why: at my house, in my neighborhood, there has not been a shooting of any kind in decades. You will not see a firearm driving around, walking around, etc. Now, late at night, on the South Side of Chicago, it would be very very different but that is a very isolated place and you would not find yourself there by mistake while visiting or vacationing in the US of A. Yes we have a lot of guns and yes, any citizen in MOST (but not all) areas can buy, own and use a firearm but it is not the 'Wild West' and frankly, would not look strange to you (a Brit.) at all, whatsoever. If there is one misconception about the US I could clear up, that would be it. All the other horrible things you have heard about us is probably true but not the ones about firearms. ;D
Brian
And thats a problem because ;)
If you're ever bored you could always read up on the UK regulations :)
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/firearms-law-guidance-to-the-police-2012 (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/firearms-law-guidance-to-the-police-2012)
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OFFTOPIC STILL:
Well, this is a moderated forum with rules, and when things go too far astray someone will come along and fix it..... which I think is a fine and good thing.
However this is the "Open Forum" and its my thread so I hereby declare this tangential discussion On Topic , so there :p
Actually on balance I'm not really that surprised that the UK gun regulations are that well known, it makes sense.
Correct me if I'm wrong but there's a statement in the UK guidelines which says firearms ownership is a "privilege not a right" which is probably the core difference in attitudes
Regarding the Police here you are correct, other than airports and a few key places the carrying of firearms by them overtly is rare. However covert carrying (usually in a locked container in the boot[or trunk as you insist on calling it] of a rapid response vehicle) is becoming more usual. (quite often there will also be full riot gear in there as well) .
That said there is one exception to the generalised rule of thumb and that is that that all members of the Police Service of Northern Ireland have authority to carry a personal issue handgun as a matter of routine, both on duty and off
Carrying of mace & tasers overtly is more prevalent .
What we do have over here I think is possibly more knife related issues hence why our coppers pretty much all wear ballistic vests
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What we do have over here I think is possibly more knife related issues hence why our coppers pretty much all wear ballistic vests
Yep. So then knives are banned. So then they switch to cars and just running over people. So next you can ban those...
Axes, tire irons, baseball bats, brass knuckles, slingshots, box cutters, razor blades, rocks, ballpoint pens, hands.... so many wonderful things to be banned! Eventually it will just be war with pudding.
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If they start with the blood pudding I'm out. :_shudder_Emoticon
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Yep. So then knives are banned. So then they switch to cars and just running over people. So next you can ban those...
Axes, tire irons, baseball bats, brass knuckles, slingshots, box cutters, razor blades, rocks, ballpoint pens, hands.... so many wonderful things to be banned! Eventually it will just be war with pudding.
If they start with the blood pudding I'm out. :_shudder_Emoticon
BTDTGTTS ;)
Ecky Thump. martial art involving black pudding :)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturevideo/tvandradiovideo/9345559/The-Goodies-The-Battle-of-Ecky-Thump.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturevideo/tvandradiovideo/9345559/The-Goodies-The-Battle-of-Ecky-Thump.html)
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:rotflmao:
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BTDTGTTS ;)
Yeesh, too many acronyms.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/BTDTBTTS#English
Oh, you could choke someone with a T-shirt, especially a wet one, so those should be banned too...
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Yeesh, too many acronyms.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/BTDTBTTS#English
Oh, you could choke someone with a T-shirt, especially a wet one, so those should be banned too...
Well, now. Wet t-shirts. NYTF.
now you're talking, friend
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Well, now. Wet t-shirts. NYTF.
now you're talking, friend
8) 8)
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As long as the conversations remain civil, it can stay here (Open) until the Indians come home.
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As long as the conversations remain civil, it can stay here (Open) until the Indians come home.
Is that Native Americans or people from the Sub Continent?
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Is that Native Americans or people from the Sub Continent?
Indians are from India!
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I thought they were from Cleveland. :o
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or did he mean motor sickles ?
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Knives are heavily regulated and <sorta'> banned in the UK. I only know this because straight razors (shaving razors) are generally 3 1/2" long and the limit on at least some knife regulations kicks in at 3" long. In buying or selling straights going to or coming from the UK, it is always a risk that the someone official on the UK side will discover what it is and it is never seen again.
From an American point of view, this sucks because we are generally trying to buy old razors, and quite a few of them are prized and somewhat valuable.
The odd thing about it is that a straight razor has not ever been used in any crime that I know of and would make a truly terrible weapon; a straight unlikely to do great damage 'cause it will just pivot back, is as likely to damage the holder as the intended victim, and cannot be used for any type of plunge cut no matter what. Then again, I guess if they were accepted, they would instantly be the weapon of choice and one- thousand ways would be found to alter them and make then useful as a weapon.
Brian
Yep. So then knives are banned. So then they switch to cars and just running over people. So next you can ban those...
Axes, tire irons, baseball bats, brass knuckles, slingshots, box cutters, razor blades, rocks, ballpoint pens, hands.... so many wonderful things to be banned! Eventually it will just be war with pudding.
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How could it not be civil? We have Mike participating here and he is a Brit., drinking his tea with a saucer, the saucer sitting on a doily.... all the while his little finger poking out. Probably just came back from the store after buying some Grey Poupon mustard.
;D
Brian
As long as the conversations remain civil, it can stay here (Open) until the Indians come home.
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tea should be drunk from an oily mug, milk in first (so it forms an emulsion rather than a mixture) and with enough sugar so that your spoon stands upright :)
Ask Guy Martin ;)
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or did he mean motor sickles ?
;D
I thought they were from Cleveland. :o
Spirit Lake, IA and Osceola, WI ;)
tea should be drunk from an oily mug, milk in first (so it forms an emulsion rather than a mixture) and with enough sugar so that your spoon stands upright :)
Ask Guy Martin ;)
:thumbs:
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Well maybe, but c'mon and 'fess up: you are pouring it out of Grandma's ornate teapot that is wearing a cozy, right?
Bthcha' you did not think a colonist even know what a cozy was..... we do not have any but a couple of us know what they are. :-)
Brian
tea should be drunk from an oily mug, milk in first (so it forms an emulsion rather than a mixture) and with enough sugar so that your spoon stands upright :)
Ask Guy Martin ;)
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is that the same thing as a cosy ?
Cozy is a first name as in " Cozy Powell" (ok technically a nick name but hey ho)
And no, its
teabag, sugar & milk in bottom of mug
add boiling water
mash it around
remove teabag
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is that the same thing as a cosy ?
Arrrrg! You British and your lack of "z"'s! :)
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Arrrrg! You British and your lack of "z"'s! :)
don't blame us because you took the u out of colour etc
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Quite!
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That is exactly how I take my tea! Well, almost....
1) pour coffee into mug
2) put sugar and either 'Half 'n Half' (product that is 1/2 milk, 1/2 heavy cream) in coffee.
3) stir with spoon.
See? Identical.... except for the boiling water, milk, and tea bag.
Brian
is that the same thing as a cosy ?
Cozy is a first name as in " Cozy Powell" (ok technically a nick name but hey ho)
And no, its
teabag, sugar & milk in bottom of mug
add boiling water
mash it around
remove teabag
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That is exactly how I take my tea! Well, almost....
1) pour coffee into mug
2) put sugar and either 'Half 'n Half' (product that is 1/2 milk, 1/2 heavy cream) in coffee.
3) stir with spoon.
See? Identical.... except for the boiling water, milk, and tea bag.
Brian
Step 1 and done!
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Step 1 and done!
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That is exactly how I take my tea! Well, almost....
1) pour coffee into mug
2) put sugar and either 'Half 'n Half' (product that is 1/2 milk, 1/2 heavy cream) in coffee.
3) stir with spoon.
See? Identical.... except for the boiling water, milk, and tea bag.
Brian
:thumbs: