What I've seen on the voyagers was really stand - out. When the cheap-a$$ owners do try to fix thier bikes, they do it with household stuff- like my first voyager, that had the radio set in place by filling the entire front fairing with that expandable insulation foam. TRUE!. Hey I'm just telling you what I've seen, that's all. If you want to see my voyager, click on my website in my sig line and then click the photo gallery. The voyager is near the end. BTW, this bike had 18,000 original miles when I bought it, but it took me several months of working on it before I'd ride it anywhere. And ALL the damage I had to repair was due to the PO's workmanship that he considered "repairs". Steve