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The C10, aka Kawasaki Concours - The Original => The Bike - C10 => Topic started by: jim-d on August 18, 2020, 06:34:17 PM

Title: backfiring?
Post by: jim-d on August 18, 2020, 06:34:17 PM
what would cause a 2002 c-10
to backfire thrrough the exhaust?  it is imtermittent and not when pulling out.  more gliding to a stop.  bike was running a little funky then started backfirig. but the engine smoothed out.

had the carbs rebuilt in August.  then the bike ran great.  sat for a month and started acting up.
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: Boomer on August 19, 2020, 03:19:23 AM
If it is when you have the throttle shut, it's probably an exhaust leak.
Somewhere the exhaust is letting fresh air in and the un-burned or part-burned fuel is igniting in the exhaust.
So, either you are running very rich and still have the PAIR valves fitted, or you have a leak in your exhaust.
Check the balance pipe, where the headers bolt to the engine, and where the muffler attaches to the header.
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: Chrome Megaphone on August 19, 2020, 08:34:49 AM
I thought popping on overrun was lean? 
http://www.mikuni.com/tg_backfires_in_exhaust.html (http://www.mikuni.com/tg_backfires_in_exhaust.html)
If no exhaust leaks maybe there's still junk in the carbs, Check the intake boots by spraying carb cleaner and listen for RPM changes.
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: VirginiaJim on August 19, 2020, 10:31:41 AM
Could also be sitting for a month and something got gummed up.  Something I don't experience anymore with FI.
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: Chrome Megaphone on August 19, 2020, 10:46:36 AM
If you paid for the carb job take it back.  I would. If the tech didn't soak them long enough and chase the passages with a strand of throttle cable before blowing them out he didn't do it right.
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: Chrome Megaphone on August 19, 2020, 10:49:58 AM
Quote
had the carbs rebuilt in August.
Last August?  Sat through the winter?
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: DC Concours on August 19, 2020, 11:00:27 AM
I haven't had carbs cause backfiring issues after a long storage period. Just hiccups and low speed rpm issues. Redo the carbs after you eliminate any exhaust problems.
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: Daytona_Mike on August 19, 2020, 03:47:57 PM
One month??... I have had jets blocked from sitting 3 weeks. You may have to dump that fuel ..drain the bowls... and try fresh fuel. Are you adding  a capfull of two stroke oil to each tank of gas? Stabilizer?  Anything? Ethanol free fuel?

Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: jim-d on August 20, 2020, 12:56:26 PM
I'm done with this bike.  I believe it was severely damaged by leaking carbs.

When I got the carbs back it ran like a top, that was May.

last week I started it up, there was a decided thump, like one cylinder wasn't firing.  made a mental note

last night started it again & things got ugly.  Started backfiring, the thump went away but I stopped for gas & it wouldn't start and run without the enricher on full.  No power in the throttle.   There was a metallic ping when it ran.

So I am tired of this machine and an offering it to anybody who wants it for free.  I live in Marlton NJ, come get it.
If transportation is a problem I will gladly get the sawzall and chop it up into manageable parts for you.

Call me, come get it.

Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: Chrome Megaphone on August 20, 2020, 01:44:57 PM
Why are all these free bikes always in the NE? :(
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: DC Concours on August 20, 2020, 04:22:42 PM
Who did your carbs? Were overflow installed? You may have a bent rod.

Don't throw away your bike. It still have lots of valuable parts on it.
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: gpineau on August 20, 2020, 04:41:11 PM
If I lived in NJ I would take you up on it. Lots of good parts still on it. I'm in colorado so I cant.
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: DC Concours on August 20, 2020, 04:45:07 PM
Me too. If I had a truck i would drive to him. Damn.
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: jim-d on August 20, 2020, 05:01:11 PM
carbs were done by popular person on this board.  thought i was home free.  valve is on run and been leaking for 2 days. nowthe neighbor is complaining about the smell.  i have just had enough.
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: gpineau on August 20, 2020, 07:18:27 PM
So do you think you hydro-locked and bent a rod ?

Bummer.
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: Daytona_Mike on August 20, 2020, 08:10:34 PM
carbs were done by popular person on this board.
  SO... do you know if  this popular person did  install OverFlow tubes??  I hope?
 
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: Chrome Megaphone on August 21, 2020, 10:29:23 AM
carbs were done by popular person on this board. 
:popcorn: lol
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: Chrome Megaphone on August 21, 2020, 02:46:52 PM
Maybe O/T but isn't it better to have hydrolock than a garage fire?
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: DC Concours on August 21, 2020, 10:37:39 PM
Did Steve from Fla do your carbs and were overflow tubes installed?

Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: jim-d on August 24, 2020, 07:48:27 AM
yes I think I did. 

Putting htis thing on craig's list today.

LAST CHANCE!!!

Going shopping tonight on the list

Yamaha MT 07  2 cylinder 650
Kawasaki W 800 2 cylinder air cooled classic just like my college days
Yamaha Bolt.  Sportster like air cooled 650

Back to basics, no motor bloat for this guy.

I like the Honda CB650F but it's heavy & 4 cylinders.  I think I'm cured!

I want something 400lbs or less that is simple to take care of.



Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: jim-d on August 24, 2020, 08:19:01 AM
Did Steve from Fla do your carbs and were overflow tubes installed?


Yes and No. 
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: Daytona_Mike on August 24, 2020, 04:18:26 PM
Suggestion: Buy something  fuel injected
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: VirginiaJim on August 24, 2020, 07:30:55 PM
I think I may have hinted at that early on...  These days, gas bad, carbs bad.   Unless you stabilize the fuel or run it all the time.
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: jim-d on August 25, 2020, 11:48:14 AM
this is more than bad gas, it's evil gas :)
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: gpineau on August 25, 2020, 05:15:15 PM
yes I think I did. 

Putting htis thing on craig's list today.

LAST CHANCE!!!

Going shopping tonight on the list

Yamaha MT 07  2 cylinder 650
Kawasaki W 800 2 cylinder air cooled classic just like my college days
Yamaha Bolt.  Sportster like air cooled 650

Back to basics, no motor bloat for this guy.

I like the Honda CB650F but it's heavy & 4 cylinders.  I think I'm cured!

I want something 400lbs or less that is simple to take care of.

I'm having fun with my C10 fuel injected but my favorite is my Yamaha V-star 950. Its 2 cylinder air cooled. Weighs 650 pounds but you cant tell. Very low center of gravity and the seat is only 26 inches. It's like riding an a powerful easy chair.  (and after 2009 they are fuel injected) Mine never failed to start.
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: jim-d on November 21, 2020, 04:09:43 AM
weii, i heard an add on the radio, made a call and the salvation army came and took it away.
A really good day.  Tons off my shoulders.  And i like the space in the garage.
Only regret is it didn’t last long enough to get antique tags.

I’m not going off on a rant.  Just enjoying the lack of stress.
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: DC Concours on November 21, 2020, 05:27:27 PM
Less headache is great. I'm surprised no one on cl wanted are bike there.
Title: Re: backfiring?
Post by: jim-d on November 22, 2020, 08:36:26 AM
never made it to craigs list.  donated it.  mainly for the free pick up and a tax deduction.
glad to be rid of it