New 4 into 1 pipe finally finished !! New Pics added

[jim snyder]

Well after months of preparation I finally got the new pipe fitted and welded up. Work and illnesses have severely cut into
my tinkering time, but persistence pays off.

[connie_rider]

Looks great! I are impressed!!!!!!

QUESTIONS:
* Do you plan to ceramic coat them?
* Have you ran that Muzzy on your bike already?
     If so,  Was it Loud???
* Is this "new" set up the same as what is currently on your bike?
* Will you be selling your old set?

NOTE:
I have my bike on the bench now for my Header install.
     (Yes, I "Finally" got the initiative to install my set).
Plastic is off, mufflers off, etc off, wrapped the head pipes last night.
My set is similar to your original set but muffler is on the left side....

The set up (in your photo's) look a LOT more professional than mine.

Ride safe, Ted

[jim snyder]

Looks great! I are impressed!!!!!!

QUESTIONS:
* Do you plan to ceramic coat them? I am trying to find a coater right now, know anyone close?
* Have you ran that Muzzy on your bike already? Yes   
   If so,  Was it Loud??? No, I built an internal baffle on this one and its very sweet
* Is this "new" set up the same as what is currently on your bike? Yes
* Will you be selling your old set? Yes. Thinking about bringing it to the national with me.

NOTE:
I have my bike on the bench now for my Header install.
     (Yes, I "Finally" got the initiative to install my set).
Plastic is off, mufflers off, etc off, wrapped the head pipes last night.
My set is similar to your original set but muffler is on the left side....

The set up (in your photo's) look a LOT more professional than mine.

Ride safe, Ted

[connie_rider]

Don't know a coater, but assume you can find one in Dallas.

Give me few details about your Internal Baffle. I plan to use a Jardine Muffler on mine. Afraid it will be too loud.

Ride safe, Ted

[jim snyder]

Don't know a coater, but assume you can find one in Dallas.

Give me few details about your Internal Baffle. I plan to use a Jardine Muffler on mine. Afraid it will be too loud.

Ride safe, Ted

The baffle came from JC Whitney, I sent you the link. 

[midnightrider]

Is it possible that you will be marketing the collector only, for some of us to make the conversion with our own headers?

[jim snyder]

Is it possible that you will be marketing the collector only, for some of us to make the conversion with our own headers?

Not likely, the midpipe section I use is from a discontinued Ontario (88-90) ZX-10 header. The company went out of business
years ago but their pipes continue to trickle their way onto ebay about one a year. If I could buy anymore I would, they are
just few and far in between. I f I owned a pipe bender machine from an old muffler/tailpipe shop it would probably be a no
brainer to copy the design.

[connie_rider]

Here are photo's of my Poor Boy version.
In my case I wanted larger head pipes so those were pieced together using Stainless tubing.
  (I now think that stock Connie Headpipes would be better. They would definitely be a whole lot less work!!!!
I wanted the muffler to be on the left side, and be able to use the centerstand, so (at this point) I opted not to use the Ontario Lowers.   (the Ontario's are a lot less work)!

Hopefully I'll install it on the bike next week and see if it works.   

Yes... Jims is better. (But this is his 5th set. I'm only a beginner)

Ride safe, Ted

[jim snyder]

Ted said "Yes... Jims is better. (But this is his 5th set). I'm only a beginner"

Well now you know how dedicated you have to be to want something like this. I wish you could see my pile of pipes and pieces leftover from all of the experiments. Them darn hotrodders are all alike,
always tinkering trying to make stuff go faster. Oh wait, I are one.

[jim snyder]

Looks great! I are impressed!!!!!!

QUESTIONS:
* Do you plan to ceramic coat them?
 Ride safe, Ted

OMG Ted !! I found a place that does ceramic coating that is 30 miles from here. Will be calling them
on thursday.

[mjrfd99]

Nice work Jim.   

[Leo]

Great looking pipe Jim.  I know you have been working on perfecting the design since I met you in 2004.  I'll bet it sounds/performs great. 

[connie_rider]

OMG Ted !! I found a place that does ceramic coating that is 30 miles from here. Will be calling them
on thursday.

GREAT!!
Keep me posted on how it goes.

Ride safe, Ted

[emjayw]

Neat looking project Jim, but there'd half to be a BIG improvement in the engine's power delivery before I'd attempt anything so drastic.  I applaud your tenacity.  I hope you can ride down to Lake 'O The Pines next October and show her off when the NTNOA has their Rally at the Marina.  Connie and I will most likely be there camped out amongst the trees.  Mike in Mansfield TX

[jim snyder]

Neat looking project Jim, but there'd half to be a BIG improvement in the engine's power delivery before I'd attempt anything so drastic.  I applaud your tenacity.  I hope you can ride down to Lake 'O The Pines next October and show her off when the NTNOA has their Rally at the Marina.  Connie and I will most likely be there camped out amongst the trees.  Mike in Mansfield TX

The pipe makes quite a difference in the torque, and did add a few horsepower. This was not the first one of these as I have
made, this one has a different can. I actually made this one to sell. The sound of the exhaust is awesome. Being an old crotch
rocket rider and dragbike racer I have a love affair with 4 into 1 exhaust systems and the sweet music they make when properly
engineered. When I get the pipe mounted I am going to do some video/audio clips to post that will let everyone hear how it sounds
with several different mufflers.
The NTNOA rally you speak of, what does that stand for? And be sure to give me the exact dates so I can put it on my calendar.
Lake o' the Pines is only 20 miles from my place so I will definitely try and attend.

[emjayw]

Jim, NTNOA stands for the North Texas Norton Owners Assn.  I've been a mamber for several years.  Do I own a Norton?  No, and I probably never will.  They're a good bunch of guys to hang about with and put on this Rally the 1st weekend in October at Big Cypress Marina on the extreme eastern end of LOTP.  hope to meet you there and see your 4 into 1 pipe in person!  Mike in Mansfield TX

[jim snyder]

Just dropped the pipes off at the ceramic coating place. I think the guy gave me a heck of a deal, $75 to do
the entire exhaust. I Choose the titanium gray color. Can't wait to get it back (10 to 14 days).

[wally_games]

Pardon me from poaching over from the C14 side, but I saw the subject and had to check it out.

I was just wondering why the C10 guys would want to change from dual exhausts to single, while the C14 guys want to change their single exhaust into duals?

[Steve in Sunny Fla]

the grass is always greener...  steve

[connie_rider]

Pardon me from poaching over from the C14 side, but I saw the subject and had to check it out.

I was just wondering why the C10 guys would want to change from dual exhausts to single, while the C14 guys want to change their single exhaust into duals?

Good question. I guess I could counter by saying: I was just wondering why the C14 guys would want to change from single exhausts to dual, while the C10 guys want to change their dual exhaust into singles??

Answers/lies/wishful thinking:
 It's all Jims's fault!!!!!
 In the beginning I wanted to increase the size of the head pipes,
 I later opted to mod to 4 into 1 as Jim had found certain advanteges (better mid range power curve) on his original build.
 Jims current design seems to give better mid and improved upper power than his first design.
 I wanted my bike to look and sound different than other Connies.
 Jim had a set and I didn't...... (Jealosy)
 I think the 4 into 1's have better scavenging effect over 4 into 2's.
 Most of the aftermarket Header systems are 4 into 1's.     
 They have a "definite" weight advantage over the 4 into 2's.
  I wanted to try them on my dyno to see if they did change things.

BUT!!!!
Steves answer is probably the best/most honest  answer to your question.....

the grass is always greener...  steve

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Ride safe, Ted