But, getting back to topic, no C14.
To keep up in the sport touring market they need to add ride by wire with cc and optional ESA and LED lighting.
IE 2018 FJR. Doesn't seem that much of stretch.
Back to topic , I think the days of high power sport tourers are numbered.
“I don’t understand everyone’s facination with riding modes. It is just one more expensive part to possibly go bad and have to be replaced. The C14 already has 2 riding modes. How many do you really want / need? I have never used eco mode. Don’t understand why it needs it. It is a motorcycle! It already gets better mileage than all but the electrics and hybrids even when you ride it hard all day. If an extra couple of MPGs is going to make or break you, you probably picked the wrong bike. “
You must not ride further than the local donut shop. The C14 has a small tank, this limits range. Rather than try to make a bigger tank ( not practical), they added this extra mode. Btw, the mode did not add any weight, it’s all software. Some of travel far, and across great spanses of land where you might not see a gas station in an hour ( southern Utah, I’m talking about you!) I’m on a current ride
And I like have to make fewer stops for fuel. I could care less about the. $ saved, I just want to make
good time and not run out of fuel.25 minutes lane splitting in stop and go traffic
And a nice thing about cc is that it gives even better mpg . Yesterday I rode 400 miles, averaging around 78 mph, got 50.1 mpg.
And that was on crap California 91 gas.
I don’t understand everyone’s facination with riding modes. It is just one more expensive part to possibly go bad and have to be replaced. The C14 already has 2 riding modes. How many do you really want / need?
I have never used eco mode [FEAM]. Don’t understand why it needs it. It is a motorcycle! It already gets better mileage than all but the electrics and hybrids even when you ride it hard all day. If an extra couple of MPGs is going to make or break you, you probably picked the wrong bike.
Ride by wire? Same deal. One more unnecessary part that could possibly go bad and just a reason for them to charge more for essentially the same bike.
Don’t even get me started on that POS adaptive cruise control.
Any bike with adaptive cruise will NEVER be in my stable!
You must not ride further than the local donut shop. The C14 has a small tank, this limits range. Rather than try to make a bigger tank ( not practical), they added this extra mode. Btw, the mode did not add any weight, it’s all software. Some of travel far, and across great spanses of land where you might not see a gas station in an hour ( southern Utah, I’m talking about you!) I’m on a current ride
And I like have to make fewer stops for fuel. I could care less about the. $ saved, I just want to make
good time and not run out of fuel.25 minutes lane splitting in stop and go traffic
And a nice thing about cc is that it gives even better mpg . Yesterday I rode 400 miles, averaging around 78 mph, got 50.1 mpg.
And that was on crap California 91 gas.
Well, it isn't expensive (actually costs zero) and there are no parts and nothing to break. It is nothing but having more maps to select from. I can see how it could be useful. For example, one set of maps (think "Flash") could be with aggressive engine breaking, and another with normal, and another with little.Regardless if it cost the manufacturer anything or not, the MSRP will go up once they add it. It takes different ECU to run, switch, and store those extra maps. If the ones on our bikes could do it, there would be software downloads available to make them able to do it now. There will also end up being some form of control unit to allow the rider to switch between those maps. Most likely tied to some form of screen which also will not be cheaper than the analog gauges we currently have. Most importantly for me, none of the maps the factory adds as options are going to offer the performance an aftermarket tune / flash is going to offer. It most likely will make it more difficult for aftermarket tuners to be able to be able to flash it and thus making those more expensive as well.
FEAM is useful for when you do need to stretch out your mileage on long trips. I rarely use it, since I don't take many long trips. But it is handy at times. And actually, the "touring" part of sport touring does greatly depend on range (which is why one of our complaints has consistently been "if only the tank were a little larger").
Ride by wire (electronic throttle) would instantly add cruise control (at zero cost), it would eliminate throttle cables and the need for their adjustment or lubrication and eventual replacement from wear, and it would likely remove the need for the entire secondary throttles assembly (because it would be mostly redundant). So it would actually result in far fewer parts and, thus, less expense than what we have now. Which also means it is likely more reliable, too. There is no avoiding this, all vehicles will have it. But it is a good thing (now that the technology is proven, effective, and reliable).
That, I hate, and never use it on my car (I have to intentionally turn it off EVERY TIME so I can have conventional cruise). I find it annoying and dangerous and would never want that on a motorcycle.My work car is a Honda Accord Touring. The adaptive part of the cruise control can not be turned off. You either use it as adaptive or not at all. It sucks!!!
Unless it were designed correctly, so the "adaptive" part could be turned off, so it is normal cruise control, like I can on my G37S (which has adaptive as an optional function). I have no problem with optional things (modes, settings, etc), as long as I can retain control over them (and control that preferably is "sticky" (persistent) )
Regardless if it cost the manufacturer anything or not, the MSRP will go up once they add it. It takes different ECU to run, switch, and store those extra maps.
There will also end up being some form of control unit to allow the rider to switch between those maps. Most likely tied to some form of screen which also will not be cheaper than the analog gauges we currently have.
Most importantly for me, none of the maps the factory adds as options are going to offer the performance an aftermarket tune / flash is going to offer.
It most likely will make it more difficult for aftermarket tuners to be able to be able to flash it and thus making those more expensive as well.
Electronics are never going to be more reliable than a simple throttle cable. Less maintance, sure. I agree with you there. Servos on the throttle bodies[...]
Simply adding parts or improvements to a bike doesn’t mean they will raise the price . Big business doesn’t price like a kid running a lemonade stand; they use market research to price.
Simply adding parts or improvements to a bike doesn’t mean they will raise the price . Big business doesn’t price like a kid running a lemonade stand; they use market research to price.
My work car is a Honda Accord Touring. The adaptive part of the cruise control can not be turned off. You either use it as adaptive or not at all. It sucks!!!
Good luck with that! Kawasaki added a supercharger to a ZX10 and doubled the price. FJR1300 has the options everyone is talking about and it MSRPs at what, $2000 or $3000 more than the Concours? But you are probably right... the price shouldn’t go up. (Sarcasm - just in case you missed it)
I won’t attempt to explain some basic microecon principles to you. Yamaha prices their products where they are because that’s where they sell for maximum profit. There is a formula to describe it
but you’d probably not understand it.
Hijack alert: Poseidon,
I have a 2017 Accord Hybrid Touring and can turn off the ACC. The manual has a long list of when to not use it. I doubt that would have changed that much prior to or after the '17 model year. Here's a link to the '17 owners manual, go to page 449 for the ACC info. http://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/pubs/OM/AH/AT2A1717OM/enu/AT2A1717OM.PDF
Leo