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Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: B.D.F. on August 22, 2014, 10:07:27 AM
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So my youngest pup is about to start a job working for the federal gummit, right smack- dab in the center of Washington, DC (the proverbial 'belly of the beast'). He is moving from the other coast and of course this is a bit daunting, especially because no one we know is familiar with that area.
So it looks like he is most likely to end up in northern VA or nearby MD, take public transportation (train) to DC and then the Metro as needed to get to where he will be working. Unfortunately, a lot of those areas are quite expensive to live in, as it always is near big cities, and it is really tough to tell where the decent places and not- so- decent places are from a map, logistics, demographics and economics research.
I think some of the folks here live / work in that area so I thought I would ask for any advice regarding potential living places, commuting thoughts (which state's trains run on time, which are better, less expensive, etc.) and anything else, especially in the area of "watch out for XXX".
We will need to look up local firearms laws as well but as we do not know which state he will be living in, we cannot do that yet. And yep, we are acutely aware of the draconian gun laws in DC itself- that must be why it is so safe there. ::)
Thanks,
Brian
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Quite a few of federal workers live in the Fredericksburg, VA area. We have VRE (commuting train service) and I think a new station being built in Spotsylvania county just south of Fredericksburg. There are also commuting lots and buses that run between here and DC. I'm not real familiar with the options as my commute is from the bedroom to my home office, but I did use the train for awhile due to a gig I was on several years ago. You don't really save any time using the train for the most part as it stops at quite a few places. The train goes to downtown Washington but also stops at Metro stations so that you can switch over to the Metro system depending on where you are going. I would kill myself if I had to drive in to downtown DC. If you are MC oriented you can use the HOV lanes to downtown assuming they aren't blocked by an accident.
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Make sure his passport is currant and his shots are up to date.
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I live in Alexandria, VA, work in Landover, MD. Stay away from DC's south-east (and MD's immediate vacinity - PG County). Other areas around DC are fine.
DC politics, very liberal, of course. DC has a lot to keep the younger generations busy/ occupied/ entertained. But it's expensive to live in the city. Driving in DC is also aggrevating. Metro is the only way to travel there and keep the blood pressure down. Working for FedGov, your young'un will most likely get a Metro pass issued, so the commute will be free.
That gub'mint paycheck will also mean that housing should be affordable (maybe/ maybe not in the ciity, but out in the 'burbs).
MD, north and north-west of DC are nice. Politics in these areas have a slight right slant, but are outnummbered by the denser populations of leftists in the eastern part of the state. You do have all the ammenities you could want. But, it's still MD. Gun laws are awful. Ever changing taxes (that you only find out about when you file).
Northern VA politics is pretty centered. Slips back and forth between the left and right (more to the left, right now). VA, west of DC - Tyson, Vienna... - is REALLY pretty and expensive (still not as bad as living in DC, though). VA, south of DC (my area) is nice. A lot more affordable - unless you go south of Woodbridge, VA (then prices drop dramatically). VA's gun laws are great. Open carry (permit only issued for concealed carry, and it's easy to get).
Rush hour traffic, anywhere around DC, can be downright ugly. But usually it's just inconvenient. My 21 mile ride to work takes an average of 40 minutes.
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Great info., thanks! I spoke to another gentleman in northern VA earlier (thanks Frank!) and he said almost the exact same thing.
I appreciate the feedback and an overall feel for the area because it is hard to move to a new area, sign a lease for example, and hope it was a good maneuver. A year is a long time to live with a mistake like that.
Jared is leaving WA state tomorrow and driving east- should be here in 5 days or so.
I am going to take a moment here and share with you folks, who I consider friends that I simply have not met most of in the flesh, a little selfish pride. I have two sons, 31 and 27 (Alex and Jared respectively; Jared is the one moving to the D.C. area); both joined the Army, starting in November 2001 (!), and did their time with long overseas hitches (Afganistan, Iraq, one in each, one two times, and both in South Korea). Both were honorably discharged and started making their way through college even while in the service. Both graduated this year, Jared cum laude with a degree in economics (hence the job in D.C.- clearly they could use more economists, right? :rotflmao:). Anyway, I am proud of both pups and really enjoying watching them work their way through life. I believe they will make good citizens; my only real goal when raising them was the hope that I could get them to think instead of simply reacting and so far, they are doing pretty well I think. Anyway, I know there are seven billion of us here and me and mine are not special but still, I am pretty happy with what is going on with them at the moment.
So next week Jared should be scouting around for an apartment in the greater D.C. area. And then off to his new (and first in this field, economics) where hopefully he can do some REAL damage! :rotflmao:
Again, thanks folks for the feedback- it is appreciated.
Brian
I live in Alexandria, VA, work in Landover, MD. Stay away from DC's south-east (and MD's immediate vacinity - PG County). Other areas around DC are fine.
DC politics, very liberal, of course. DC has a lot to keep the younger generations busy/ occupied/ entertained. But it's expensive to live in the city. Driving in DC is also aggrevating. Metro is the only way to travel there and keep the blood pressure down. Working for FedGov, your young'un will most likely get a Metro pass issued, so the commute will be free.
That gub'mint paycheck will also mean that housing should be affordable (maybe/ maybe not in the ciity, but out in the 'burbs).
MD, north and north-west of DC are nice. Politics in these areas have a slight right slant, but are outnummbered by the denser populations of leftists in the eastern part of the state. You do have all the ammenities you could want. But, it's still MD. Gun laws are awful. Ever changing taxes (that you only find out about when you file).
Northern VA politics is pretty centered. Slips back and forth between the left and right (more to the left, right now). VA, west of DC - Tyson, Vienna... - is REALLY pretty and expensive (still not as bad as living in DC, though). VA, south of DC (my area) is nice. A lot more affordable - unless you go south of Woodbridge, VA (then prices drop dramatically). VA's gun laws are great. Open carry (permit only issued for concealed carry, and it's easy to get).
Rush hour traffic, anywhere around DC, can be downright ugly. But usually it's just inconvenient. My 21 mile ride to work takes an average of 40 minutes.
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Brian, even fathers need heros. :chugbeer:
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:thumbs:
Hey, I know they are not curing cancer or speeding up the internet or anything (just like the vast majority of us) but still, I am very happy with their progress, with them as citizens and their direction going forward. And as icing on the cake, my wife and I both get along with our daughter- in- law very well; in fact, my wife and D.I.L. are quite close and chat regularly. So even the 'Mother- in- law' thing is not a problem and that is pretty common (although my wife and my mother were very close for 25 years).
Jared has passed through northern Yellowstone, Beartooth Highway and Pass, and is moving east into SD. Trip is going well.... other than a little trouble with one cat (they have two). But nothing a quick stop by a dumpster could not fix.... but now they need a new cat bed, floor mats and a blanket. :rotflmao:
Brian
Brian, even fathers need heros. :chugbeer:
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Great info., thanks! I spoke to another gentleman in northern VA earlier (thanks Frank!) and he said almost the exact same thing.
You're welcome!
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:thumbs:
Hey, I know they are not curing cancer or speeding up the internet or anything (just like the vast majority of us) but still, I am very happy with their progress, ...
Brian, in one paragraph you have told us more positive things about your sons than one can say about 90% of the population. You are justified in your pride. Kudos to you and your wife for raising such outstanding sons. Thanks to your family for the service.
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My advise in one word...DON'T! ;-)
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Thanks. Sincerely, thank you.
The kids are all packed and headed east- in Gary, IN for the night. Less than 1,000 miles out now and <may> be here tomorrow or Wed. at the latest. Finally, I get to use the world's stupidest but now applicable, emoticon: :banana :banana :banana :banana
:rotflmao:
Brian
Brian, in one paragraph you have told us more positive things about your sons than one can say about 90% of the population. You are justified in your pride. Kudos to you and your wife for raising such outstanding sons. Thanks to your family for the service.
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I hear that. But remember, they are young and it will certainly be a new experience for them. As I understand it, decent or better areas can be found reasonably close to the city and commuting is doable. I have used Washington's Metro and have to say that for all the horror stories of that city, the M is clean, safe, slick and runs on time. A great example of functional public transportation in the US.
So hey, maybe he works there for a year. Maybe he works there for 30 years- who knows? But even though I am a Yankee, I do know that VA would be a great place to live and have a good life so if that works for him, it is great with me.
And now they will be 8 road- hours away instead of 48.... and even the 48 hours took some doin' :-)
https://spotwalla.com/tripViewer.php?id=2ed64debc2480041f
This trip my wife can do on the bike so we may be spending a bit of time in that area (Northern VA or possibly MD) shortly.
Brian
My advise in one word...DON'T! ;-)
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east bank of the river Stafford area is still affordable for younger folks looking to rent a decent house, and it's close enough to commute via back entrances into DC.
I've run up 301 many times, and there seemed to be quite a lot of small areas east of DC in that strip that were "affodable"... ;)
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King George for one.. Why, we're getting our third Sheetz! Progress indeed!
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Don't start looking so far away so fast. He WILL hate the commute after a while. Time is money as they say. Check out Prince William County. It's the second Virginia county south of the beltway (Fairfax is first and is both inside and outside the beltway). I work here and did live here but moved back to Fairfax a few years ago. PWC has Dale City which is an older Planned Community along with townhouses and apartments galore. Plenty to do and the neighborhoods are pretty nice. We're (I work for the PW Planning Office) adding more new apartments as we speak (of course they cost more) but there are pleny of older ones. As for housing, there's plenty of reasonably priced housing. If you want a lot of space though, you will need to go either south or westward, but even that can get pricey.
Other "nice" areas in PWC that may be affordable to them are: Gainesville, Lake Ridge, Montclair, Linton Hall Road communities, Braemar, Bristow, Sudley, southern Woodbridge (Route 1 corridor) just north of Dumfries. Some are houses and not apartments.
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How about Silver Springs, MD? Decent area? Excellent commute of course. He is looking at that because while it costs more, there will be far less money in commuting so that will at least somewhat offset the increase in rent.
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Brian
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Silver Spring is a "nice" area for the most part. Its a semi-dense urban area mostly. Rockville and Gaithersburg are out slightly farther and are nice as well but a little less dense (more suburban). They also have great access to Metro. Montgomery Village is nice also and is in that area (northwest of Silver Spring in the I-270 corridor).
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Very interesting reading about the demographics and economics of each area. For example, Rockville seems to have a very high percentage of Asian residents as well as a large Jewish population. More expensive apt. rental than Silver Spring (going by an extremely fast peek- very possibly not the right take on things) but I think it will be more attractive to them- as you say, a bit less urban. And the commute would be fantastically easy, especially if he caught an apt. close to the Metro station.
Again, thanks for the feedback.
By the way, my wife (Andrea) and I are virtually certain to end up in that area shortly and it would be great to meet up with some of you local folks. You all don't have one of those 'the out-of- state guy buys lunch' rules do ya'? Hey, know what- no problem there either cause this kind of help is greatly appreciated and really.... well, helpful :-)
Brian
Silver Spring is a "nice" area for the most part. Its a semi-dense urban area mostly. Rockville and Gaithersburg are out slightly farther and are nice as well but a little less dense (more suburban). They also have great access to Metro. Montgomery Village is nice also and is in that area (northwest of Silver Spring in the I-270 corridor).
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The Rockville, Shady Grove, and Gaithersburg area has some very high-tech firms in it. There is also a lot of amenities, mostly high-end shopping and great places to eat. They are also basically sitting right on the I-270 and Metro transit corridor. That is probably why the prices are up.
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By the way, my wife (Andrea) and I are virtually certain to end up in that area shortly and it would be great to meet up with some of you local folks. You all don't have one of those 'the out-of- state guy buys lunch' rules do ya'? Hey, know what- no problem there either cause this kind of help is greatly appreciated and really.... well, helpful :-)
Brian
I don't think so, but I'm sure we can add it into the bylaws.
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Be advised MD is not 2nd Amendment friendly.
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So my youngest pup is about to start a job working for the federal gummit, right smack- dab in the center of Washington, DC (the proverbial 'belly of the beast').
You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcb4_QwP6fE#ws)
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But it appears that VA is.
Thanks- that is a consideration.
Brian
Be advised MD is not 2nd Amendment friendly.
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Yep, there is truth in that. But at the same time, Washington does have quite a few sights to see, and there are many things nearby that can easily be done in a day trip. For example: I have been trying to get to Aberdeen proving grounds to see the museum and collected pieces there for years; I delayed so long that they actually moved the museum to VA :-( Still, it could be a great day trip for me and perhaps my son to visit from wherever he ends up around the D.C. area. So me and the Mrs. can go to visit them, and I (and perhaps Jared) can in turn go visit the ordinance at Ft Lee, Virginia.
Brian
You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcb4_QwP6fE#ws)
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Don't forget the Tank museum in Danville or the D-Day memorial in Bedford... There's an aircraft museum in Va Beach. Air and Space in Hampton. Ft. Eustis has a museum as well. We're just full of sites to see here.
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I didn't get to see much when I was in the area but Arlington National Cemetary was a soul moving experience.
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MD is not 2nd amendment friendly or tax friendly. Something like 40 different taxes on the books. They even tax you for the amount of rain that hits your roof. No, really. A recent poll had nearly half say they would move out of MD if they could. I'm spoiled here in VA. Very 2nd amendment friendly(open carry ok and conceal carry permits are easily obtainable), and the tax rates are lower. If you're interested in history, VA has the market cornered in that department from Jamestown to the Revolution to Civil War etc. Pretty much which ever place you decide, the commute is going to suck. Oh, us native Virginians don't really consider NoVA as VA, you have to go farther south than the Rappahannock and west of Leesburg to find the real VA.
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I moved heaven and earth to get the heck out of MD. My advice? Don't, food stamps would be safer, more abundant, and easier to obtain than good living arrangements for a family.
I would recommend Jared do a u turn and return to WA State.
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VA used to be a good size state before the War of Northern Aggression.
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I traveled to the Crystal City and Rosslyn areas of DC at least once a month in the 2000s. Personally, I would rather have a tiny apartment and be as close to work as possible even if it means I couldn't save any money untill I got a few promotions. Definitely an expensive area to live. Hopefully his salary reflects the higher cost of living.
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Well, my son is on his way back after grabbing an apartment apparently. He ended up in the Quantico, VA area (not actually Quantico, just near there). It looks like a decent spot with a lousy commute to DC (as opposed to a horrible commute to DC ;) ). He is renting so he can move after a while if someplace else looks better, has a better commute (though that is not likely IMO), etc.
I just wanted to say thanks for those who took the time to give me some insight into that general area. It IS appreciated and definitely did help him in making this move.
Brian
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Tell hime welcome to VA! Shoot me a PM with the address or community and I can give you some local info if you want it. That's actually a pretty nice area. Easy access to I-95 and HOV (or HOT lanes).
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Will do- thanks again!
Yeah, he mentioned something called the 'slug line'. ?? Apparently people driving w/out enough other people in the car to use the HOV lanes drive through the madding crowd shouting out where they are going and other people 'hop in'. Apparently this is not without some difficulties though- the driver falling asleep, drunk driving and some other tales, tall or otherwise. I do have to say though that calling it the 'slug line' does not set it up for good expectations. ;D
Brian
Tell hime welcome to VA! Shoot me a PM with the address or community and I can give you some local info if you want it. That's actually a pretty nice area. Easy access to I-95 and HOV (or HOT lanes).
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Be that as it may...it does seem to work for quite a few people down here. My son-in-law's mother uses it and has been for years.