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Offline gildaguz

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Noise on front bevel gears
« on: April 03, 2015, 02:58:40 PM »
Bike is a 2009 non ABS with 51 k, around 50 k star hearing a noise when pushing it out of the garage , tough that might be the driveshaft splines, but having the drive shaft out I spin by hand the gear where the shaft is connected at front side and noise is coming from inside bevel gears case, any way put some moly grease to splines and put it back, there is not noise when riding it and everything is normal, noise is only when pushing it or if I spin rear wheel while in center stand,
 Any suggestion about this problem?
I check the service manual and there are a couple of parts named CAM FOLLOWER and DAMPER CAM that I suspect is where the noise is coming from, I will take it apart but would like to know if some one had this problem before.  Any advise will be appreciated


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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2015, 03:18:49 PM »
Don't think we've heard of this before.  All the noise in that area has been attributed to the splines on the shaft being a bit dry.  If you can hear it without the shaft installed that's something quite different.  Do you have an extended warranty?
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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2015, 03:42:33 PM »
Unfortunately no, I will take apart that unit to see what I find wrong
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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2015, 03:58:57 PM »
If you see the pictures on this unit for sale on EBAY will see that piece on the center named DAMPER CAM that work in contact with other similar named CAM FOLLOWER might be the ones that are having the problem
http://www.ebay.com/itm/11-12-13-Kawasaki-Concours-14-ABS-ZG1400CBF-Front-Bevel-Gear-13101-0119-458-/321577314452?hash=item4adf806894&vxp=mtr
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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2015, 04:41:51 PM »
This is the recording of the noise with bike on center stand and spinning rear wheel forward by hand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL8YJJaf1i0
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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2015, 05:17:57 PM »
That does not sound good.
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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2015, 05:47:43 PM »
But I rode today to work and everything seems normal, rode it at 90 MPH and for the first time in 4 years lift the front wheel  when I meet a coworker driving his charger getting close to work in the morning
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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2015, 06:07:51 PM »
Then that's the problem.  You're not thrashing it enough. 
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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2015, 05:56:19 AM »
Quote from: gildaguz on April 03, 2015, 04:41:51 PM
This is the recording of the noise with bike on center stand and spinning rear wheel forward by hand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL8YJJaf1i0


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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2015, 09:11:21 AM »
Quote from: gildaguz on April 03, 2015, 05:47:43 PM
But I rode today to work and everything seems normal, rode it at 90 MPH and for the first time in 4 years lift the front wheel  when I meet a coworker driving his charger getting close to work in the morning

So you have a horrific noise emanating from the drive train and you ride it 90 MHP and also decide it is a good idea at some point in the ride to lift the front wheel? Care to name me as your beneficiary? I could use some cash.

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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2015, 09:52:56 AM »
Quote from: PH14 on April 04, 2015, 09:11:21 AM
So you have a horrific noise emanating from the drive train and you ride it 90 MHP and also decide it is a good idea at some point in the ride to lift the front wheel? Care to name me as your beneficiary? I could use some cash.

Yeah, when I read it, I thought something similar....
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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2015, 10:13:19 AM »
What I meant is that the noise is there only when I push it out of the garage or when  spinning the wheel over the center stand , while riding it there are no noise or vibration , every thing is completely normal, I was expecting  with this post to fin some advice from some one that have done this repair
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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2015, 11:34:26 AM »
that's scary. I would for sure have it looked at by somebody with more knowledge than me.
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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2015, 04:33:42 AM »
Quote from: gildaguz on April 03, 2015, 02:58:40 PM
Bike is a 2009 non ABS with 51 k, around 50 k star hearing a noise when pushing it out of the garage , tough that might be the driveshaft splines, but having the drive shaft out I spin by hand the gear where the shaft is connected at front side and noise is coming from inside bevel gears case...

Quote from: gildaguz on April 03, 2015, 04:41:51 PM
This is the recording of the noise with bike on center stand and spinning rear wheel forward by hand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL8YJJaf1i0

The bevel drives on the C14's fail once in a while...they start to click, or get loud and 'clunky'. Broken tooth, bearing, etc.
I've not heard one myself, but that's what I'd suspect.

I don't think you'll find much advice on the topic unfortunately...for most of the posts I read, the owners took their bikes to a Kawasaki dealer for repair, and then they rarely ever come back with details.

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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2015, 08:12:12 AM »
I did not buy an extended warranty so I will repair it myself, I work as auto mechanic for the last 28 years, I will take it apart during this week , will take pictures and post the progress of the repair
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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2015, 02:51:16 PM »
Ok things are getting complicated, after removing the drive gear unit found that is ok but apparently the noise is coming from the output shaft bearing, I recorded a video and there can be heard
Now i'm very sorry that I did not bought the extended warranty when I had  the offer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKzBjEkUkUk
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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2015, 03:32:01 AM »
Quote from: gildaguz on April 05, 2015, 02:51:16 PM
Ok things are getting complicated, after removing the drive gear unit found that is ok but apparently the noise is coming from the output shaft bearing, I recorded a video and there can be heard
Now i'm very sorry that I did not bought the extended warranty when I had  the offer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKzBjEkUkUk

Uh oh. That doesn't sound good.
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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2015, 02:11:16 PM »
Quote from: Rembrant on April 07, 2015, 03:32:01 AM
Uh oh. That doesn't sound good.
I know, I will start taking it apart this weekend
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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2015, 09:40:56 PM »
Finally I  start taking it apart, so far I have removed everything I can to take weight out of the engine so it will be easier to pull it down, next push will be to take it out and split it apart to find out what parts I have to order for it, it might be that I have it ready for christmas, here is a video of she taken apart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mtXNE_Wf-c
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Re: Noise on front bevel gears
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2015, 06:37:30 AM »
Oh crap! It looks like your bike exploded and littered parts all over your garage!    :o

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