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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: alexx45 on July 20, 2011, 08:30:18 AM
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I had a key fob fall out of my pocket while riding my 09 C14. It was then run over by several cars, the fob that is. I managed to find the key that was in it but all the plastic and electronics were destroyed. Some one here wrecked their bike (an 08) & wants to sell me one of their no longer useful fobs still in the original packaging for about half the price of a new fob. Although the key would be useless I should be able to have my ECU reprogrammed to accept this fob. Is this correct? All I need are the FOB ID number from the original packaging, right? From all the previous posts I've read this seems right to me but any additional words of wisdom would be appreciated. ???
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You are correct, if you have the numbers from the fob the ECU can be programed to recognize it. You could also get a credit card type fob for about $35 and do the same thing. The only difference, other than size, is that the CC fob will have to be placed on the key housing on the bike in order to start the bike.
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You are correct, if you have the numbers from the fob the ECU can be programed to recognize it. You could also get a credit card type fob for about $35 and do the same thing. The only difference, other than size, is that the CC fob will have to be placed on the key housing on the bike in order to start the bike.
What he said. Plus, I have an extra pair of credit card fobs I bought, in case you'd also like to get a spare. New, not used, still in the bag.
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What he said. Plus, I have an extra pair of credit card fobs I bought, in case you'd also like to get a spare. New, not used, still in the bag.
Already have a credit card fob & a key blank ordered but thanks any way.
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So the credit card fob will work for an 09? ???
Hmmm... that might be worth getting if so just for a back up. Is it really the size of a credit card and easily fits in your wallet?
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So the credit card fob will work for an 09? ???
Hmmm... that might be worth getting if so just for a back up. Is it really the size of a credit card and easily fits in your wallet?
According to this thread http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=471.msg4507#msg4507 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=471.msg4507#msg4507) they will work. I'm looking to have an extra one to keep with me on long trips JIC. Never worried about it or thought I'd need an extra till this one jumped out of my pocket. :o
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So is it literally the size of a credit card (including thickness), or is that just what they call them? ???
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So is it literally the size of a credit card (including thickness), or is that just what they call them? ???
No it is much thicker then a credit card but much thinner then a full on fob. In fact the small fob still contains another hard key.
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No it is much thicker then a credit card but much thinner then a full on fob. In fact the small fob still contains another hard key.
Can somebody post up a pic of one for us 08/09 old-school 1st gen guys that have never seen em' like me?? ???
Thanks!
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Here is mine
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The beauty of the small fob is that you can have it in your luggage or hidden on the bike somewhere without it enabling KIPASS. Mine is permanently hidden on my bike such that if I lose my fob I can use it to get home, buy another fob and be able to program the ECU (you need at least one authorized fob to program the ECU).
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The beauty of the small fob is that you can have it in your luggage or hidden on the bike somewhere without it enabling KIPASS. Mine is permanently hidden on my bike such that if I lose my fob I can use it to get home, buy another fob and be able to program the ECU (you need at least one authorized fob to program the ECU).
This is exactly why I'm getting one of each. As well a a key blank for each. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me... :yikes:
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Yeah, and 'paranoia is just good thinkin' when everyone is looking at ya' .'
Brian
This is exactly why I'm getting one of each. As well a a key blank for each. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me... :yikes:
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Here is mine
Thanks H2, much appreciated!
Looks to be about the size of a blackberry battery, defiantly too big for in a wallet...
(unless you're George Costanza ;) )
George's Exploding Wallet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sz2HDRJkUQ#noexternalembed)
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The beauty of the small fob is that you can have it in your luggage or hidden on the bike somewhere without it enabling KIPASS. Mine is permanently hidden on my bike such that if I lose my fob I can use it to get home, buy another fob and be able to program the ECU (you need at least one authorized fob to program the ECU).
Exactly. Since I have a regular key cut by a locksmith, on my person, I can put the credit card (stupid name- it is NOTHING like a credit card, it is 20 times thicker, and much narrower and shorter, better name is "passive fob") fob under the seat somewhere. So it is still locked away AND hidden. But if I lose the main active fob, I still have a regular key (on the ring with the helmet lock key and seat pod key) and can remove the seat to get to the passive fob.
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Jay, here's a closer picture of the 2010 CC fob, though it doesn't quite show the thickness. The other fob is for my Coocase, as is the red spare key.
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Jay, here's a closer picture of the 2010 CC fob, though it doesn't quite show the thickness. The other fob is for my Coocase, as is the red spare key.
Thanks brutha! I usually have my trunk with me anyways, so that's actually a pretty good idea with the key chain.
Is there any difference in functionality or battery life between the cc fob and the regular fob?? Or can you just use the cc as your "main" fob?
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Thanks brutha! I usually have my trunk with me anyways, so that's actually a pretty good idea with the key chain.
Is there any difference in functionality or battery life between the cc fob and the regular fob?? Or can you just use the cc as your "main" fob?
Me too. My trunk has all my junk in it.
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Me too. My trunk has all my junk in it.
Jim has junk in the trunk eh'....
No comment. :-X (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/hiding.gif)
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Is there any difference in functionality or battery life between the cc fob and the regular fob?? Or can you just use the cc as your "main" fob?
The CC fob is RFID only. It will only work if you put it against the key switch housing, in the right place and orientation. Same thing you can do with your current fob if the battery is dead.
It's more like a back up emergency fob, that costs much less, takes up less space, and can be hidden on the bike like a "hide-a-key" in days of old, or stashed away in a safe.
Since you must have a currently working fob (RFID or active RF), to add a new fob to the KIPASS ECU, the CC fob is a good back up option. Without one, your KIPASS is dead, and you must buy a new KIPASS ECU. Also, there are only 6 one time programmable 'slots' in the KIPASS ECU, so once you have used them all up, and lost those fobs, the KIPASS ECU is junk.
I'm sure Cap'n Bob will be along shortly to point out how horrible and unnecessary all this technology is. ;)
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Me too. My trunk has all my junk in it.
I keep my trunk empty, and store the junk in the saddle bag. That way I don't fall victim to statements like that, the weight is down lower, and the bag with the keyless entry is always available. ;) 8)
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Jim has junk in the trunk eh'....
No comment. :-X (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/hiding.gif)
I hear too many martinis will do that to you. :-X
Or is there such a thing as too many martinis? ::)
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I keep my trunk empty, and store the junk in the saddle bag. That way I don't fall victim to statements like that, the weight is down lower, and the bag with the keyless entry is always available. ;) 8)
I don't put much weight in the trunk, just my laptop and lunch when going to work, and laptop and beer from the store on the way home...
Works perfect for that! :chugbeer:
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Good post.
Are you sure about the RFID needing to be orientated? I think it will work in any rotation as long as it is w/in some minimal distance buit have not actually tried rotating my fob. :o
One minor thing to add to your info.- you are correct in that the KiPass ECU has six 'one time use' memory slots but the ign. housing authenticator (whatever it is really called) is a separate part, also has six memory slots for fobs but they can be re-written. KiPass is actually split into two different and completely separate segments; one is in the KiPass unit itself and the other one is in the ign. switch housing and, as far as I can tell, autonomous from the KiPass ECU. One difference in how they behave is that if you activate KiPass via the RF side, the system looks for the fob again at specific points (crossing a certain speed, shifting into sixth, and maybe a couple of other instances I cannot remember) while if KiPass is activated via the RFID portion, it never looks for the fob again during that power- on cycle. I assume this is because the RFID device has to be removed and stored elsewhere to ride the bike and the LCD would forever be showing a 'Transponder Error'.
And I agree with you, Cap'n Bob is horrible and unnecessary. Oh, wait.... ;D
Brian
The CC fob is RFID only. It will only work if you put it against the key switch housing, in the right place and orientation. Same thing you can do with your current fob if the battery is dead.
It's more like a back up emergency fob, that costs much less, takes up less space, and can be hidden on the bike like a "hide-a-key" in days of old, or stashed away in a safe.
Since you must have a currently working fob (RFID or active RF), to add a new fob to the KIPASS ECU, the CC fob is a good back up option. Without one, your KIPASS is dead, and you must buy a new KIPASS ECU. Also, there are only 6 one time programmable 'slots' in the KIPASS ECU, so once you have used them all up, and lost those fobs, the KIPASS ECU is junk.
I'm sure Cap'n Bob will be along shortly to point out how horrible and unnecessary all this technology is. ;)
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The CC fob is RFID only.
Both are RFID. The CC fob is passive. The other is active. Or so that is my understanding. I like having it, but I really wish they had included TWO active fobs, instead of one.
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So for the 08-
10 09 bikes, they gave us 2 active fobs, but for the 10-11's, they now give 1 active and 1 passive, is that right?
Seems I recall an early discussion suggested disabling the battery in one of the active fobs by putting tape around it to prevent a connection, and hiding it under the seat, to be accessed, re-enabled, and used in case the first fob went kaput. Anyone other than me do that? And has anyone who did that ever found that to be a useful strategy?
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What he said. Plus, I have an extra pair of credit card fobs I bought, in case you'd also like to get a spare. New, not used, still in the bag.
I am interested. Please let me know your asking price.
Mark
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So for the 08-10 09 bikes, they gave us 2 active fobs, but for the 10-11's, they now give 1 active and 1 passive, is that right?
Seems I recall an early discussion suggested disabling the battery in one of the active fobs by putting tape around it to prevent a connection, and hiding it under the seat, to be accessed, re-enabled, and used in case the first fob went kaput. Anyone other than me do that? And has anyone who did that ever found that to be a useful strategy?
Whenver I go on an overnight trip I pack my spare fob, wrapped in aluminum foil in my overnight/medicine case. So far I have not needed to use it.
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my CC fob works magic, but only my main FOB can turn my PR3 Michelins into off road tires!
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/X%20country%20trippin/20110711-DSC_1694.jpg)
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I've never packed the spare fob or spare batteries for it in four years of riding the bike (Steve philosophy). I have a spare key so I use that to open everything. The fob stays in my jean's pocket so there's very little chance of losing it or falling off the bike. The only way that could happen is for me to fall off the bike (so I would notice that). I have lost my wallet once (for a short time), but never the fob. If the battery goes south, it's easily obtained in just about any store in the nation and you can use the backup feature until a new one is obtained. As far as I'm concerned it's very reliable and I hardly think about it all.
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I've never packed the spare fob or spare batteries for it in four years of riding the bike (Steve philosophy). I have a spare key so I use that to open everything. The fob stays in my jean's pocket so there's very little chance of losing it or falling off the bike. The only way that could happen is for me to fall off the bike (so I would notice that). I have lost my wallet once (for a short time), but never the fob. If the battery goes south, it's easily obtained in just about any store in the nation and you can use the backup feature until a new one is obtained. As far as I'm concerned it's very reliable and I hardly think about it all.
And just where was your wallet stored when you lost it Jim?
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:offtopic: Somewhat off topic here.... I stopped just within Wyoming last year on my way to Reno for gas. Left the station and headed west on I80. Got about 2 miles down the road and felt for my wallet (habit). Not there... :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: . Immediately did a panic stop (Both brakes initiated ABS) to the shoulder. Felt again and it still was not there. Oh no. Started up again and found a cut through the median and went back to the station. Looked, not there. Asked the station people and they hadn't seen it nor had anyone brought it to their attention. Oh no again. Retraced the route and it was nowhere to be seen. I had extra cash stashed away so I got on the Interstate and headed west again (don't know why I did that). Got to thinking again and realized I did not have enough money to get gas to either west or east. Cra*! Then decided to go back again (through the median) and talk to the local police to give them my cell phone number in case anyone turned it in. Got to the police station (had a closed sign on it....oh my) which directed me to the town office. Talked to the people there and they said they would talk to the police and let me know if it was found. Started walking to the bike going over all the scenarios (none good) and the light bulb turned on.... Wait a minute, I'm wearing my Frog Togg pants (misty rain coming out of Nebraska) and felt down to my cuff. There it was! Thank you Jesus! The moral of the story is that if you are wearing overpants then you need to make darn sure you put the wallet in the proper pocket. I had just put it in the overpants without putting it in my jeans. The second rule is that if you have emergency cash stashed, put a second credit card in there with it just in case. BTW, this is also what 'warped' my rotors as afterwards I had terrible shuddering....
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Seems I recall an early discussion suggested disabling the battery in one of the active fobs by putting tape around it to prevent a connection, and hiding it under the seat, to be accessed, re-enabled, and used in case the first fob went kaput. Anyone other than me do that? And has anyone who did that ever found that to be a useful strategy?
I do, although I don't wrap the FOB. When I bought the bike I opened the second FOB and wraped the battery in isolating paper. If I ever loose the first one, I have a "new" one in the safe at home, which I only take with me when I'm going to stay overnight with the bike somewhere out of the city. So far never needed it, but once I did need a spare key for another bike (which I had with me by chance) so I learnt my lesson without much blood spilt... 8)
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So following all the helpful advice gained from this thread it would seem this is what I need to do.
1) Have my C14's ECU reprogrammed to accept the new active & passive fobs.
2) Verify fob work with C14.
3) Have the new Key blanks cut.
4) Verify new keys work & install them in their respective Fobs.
5) Disable battery on active fob & stash in safe place at home in original packaging.
6) Hide passive fob under the seat. (good use for the little storage space on the bottom of my sargeant seat)
7) Drill a hole in the key I retrieved from the broken / suicidal fob.
8] Attach this and all other bike related keys (trunk, helmet lock, etc) to a ring seperate from the currently active fob. these key are to be used as needed.
9) Place the currently active fob deep within a pocket & do not remove while using my C14.
10) Rest assured I will never be stranded due to a KIPASS / FOB issue.
8)
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:offtopic: Somewhat off topic here.... I stopped just within Wyoming last year on my way to Reno for gas. Left the station and headed west on I80. Got about 2 miles down the road and felt for my wallet (habit). Not there... :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: . Immediately did a panic stop (Both brakes initiated ABS) to the shoulder. Felt again and it still was not there. Oh no. Started up again and found a cut through the median and went back to the station. Looked, not there. Asked the station people and they hadn't seen it nor had anyone brought it to their attention. Oh no again. Retraced the route and it was nowhere to be seen. I had extra cash stashed away so I got on the Interstate and headed west again (don't know why I did that). Got to thinking again and realized I did not have enough money to get gas to either west or east. Cra*! Then decided to go back again (through the median) and talk to the local police to give them my cell phone number in case anyone turned it in. Got to the police station (had a closed sign on it....oh my) which directed me to the town office. Talked to the people there and they said they would talk to the police and let me know if it was found. Started walking to the bike going over all the scenarios (none good) and the light bulb turned on.... Wait a minute, I'm wearing my Frog Togg pants (misty rain coming out of Nebraska) and felt down to my cuff. There it was! Thank you Jesus! The moral of the story is that if you are wearing overpants then you need to make darn sure you put the wallet in the proper pocket. I had just put it in the overpants without putting it in my jeans. The second rule is that if you have emergency cash stashed, put a second credit card in there with it just in case. BTW, this is also what 'warped' my rotors as afterwards I had terrible shuddering....
Talk about turning panic mode up to 10!
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:offtopic: Somewhat off topic here.... I stopped just within Wyoming last year on my way to Reno for gas. Left the station and headed west on I80. Got about 2 miles down the road and felt for my wallet (habit). Not there... :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: . Immediately did a panic stop (Both brakes initiated ABS) to the shoulder. Felt again and it still was not there. Oh no. Started up again and found a cut through the median and went back to the station. Looked, not there. Asked the station people and they hadn't seen it nor had anyone brought it to their attention. Oh no again. Retraced the route and it was nowhere to be seen. I had extra cash stashed away so I got on the Interstate and headed west again (don't know why I did that). Got to thinking again and realized I did not have enough money to get gas to either west or east. Cra*! Then decided to go back again (through the median) and talk to the local police to give them my cell phone number in case anyone turned it in. Got to the police station (had a closed sign on it....oh my) which directed me to the town office. Talked to the people there and they said they would talk to the police and let me know if it was found. Started walking to the bike going over all the scenarios (none good) and the light bulb turned on.... Wait a minute, I'm wearing my Frog Togg pants (misty rain coming out of Nebraska) and felt down to my cuff. There it was! Thank you Jesus! The moral of the story is that if you are wearing overpants then you need to make darn sure you put the wallet in the proper pocket. I had just put it in the overpants without putting it in my jeans. The second rule is that if you have emergency cash stashed, put a second credit card in there with it just in case. BTW, this is also what 'warped' my rotors as afterwards I had terrible shuddering....
Yikes! I keep an extra credit card in my luggage for that exact reason. I also use the micro locking glove compartment on my '10 for my wallet. It's more comfortable then sitting on it and it can't fall out. I'm now in the habit of when I get on the bike I throw the wallet in and when I get off I get it and put it in my back pocket. BTW: I also installed a hidden latch for that compartment so I get open it without turning on the bike.
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:offtopic: Somewhat off topic here.... I stopped just within Wyoming last year on my way to Reno for gas. Left the station and headed west on I80. Got about 2 miles down the road and felt for my wallet (habit). Not there... :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: . Immediately did a panic stop (Both brakes initiated ABS) to the shoulder. Felt again and it still was not there. Oh no. Started up again and found a cut through the median and went back to the station. Looked, not there. Asked the station people and they hadn't seen it nor had anyone brought it to their attention. Oh no again. Retraced the route and it was nowhere to be seen. I had extra cash stashed away so I got on the Interstate and headed west again (don't know why I did that). Got to thinking again and realized I did not have enough money to get gas to either west or east. Cra*! Then decided to go back again (through the median) and talk to the local police to give them my cell phone number in case anyone turned it in. Got to the police station (had a closed sign on it....oh my) which directed me to the town office. Talked to the people there and they said they would talk to the police and let me know if it was found. Started walking to the bike going over all the scenarios (none good) and the light bulb turned on.... Wait a minute, I'm wearing my Frog Togg pants (misty rain coming out of Nebraska) and felt down to my cuff. There it was! Thank you Jesus! The moral of the story is that if you are wearing overpants then you need to make darn sure you put the wallet in the proper pocket. I had just put it in the overpants without putting it in my jeans. The second rule is that if you have emergency cash stashed, put a second credit card in there with it just in case. BTW, this is also what 'warped' my rotors as afterwards I had terrible shuddering....
BTW: Rock Springs WY would not be a fun place to get stranded!
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:offtopic: Somewhat off topic here.... I stopped just within Wyoming last year on my way to Reno for gas. Left the station and headed west on I80. Got about 2 miles down the road and felt for my wallet (habit). Not there... :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: . Immediately did a panic stop (Both brakes initiated ABS) to the shoulder. Felt again and it still was not there. Oh no. Started up again and found a cut through the median and went back to the station. Looked, not there. Asked the station people and they hadn't seen it nor had anyone brought it to their attention. Oh no again. Retraced the route and it was nowhere to be seen. I had extra cash stashed away so I got on the Interstate and headed west again (don't know why I did that). Got to thinking again and realized I did not have enough money to get gas to either west or east. Cra*! Then decided to go back again (through the median) and talk to the local police to give them my cell phone number in case anyone turned it in. Got to the police station (had a closed sign on it....oh my) which directed me to the town office. Talked to the people there and they said they would talk to the police and let me know if it was found. Started walking to the bike going over all the scenarios (none good) and the light bulb turned on.... Wait a minute, I'm wearing my Frog Togg pants (misty rain coming out of Nebraska) and felt down to my cuff. There it was! Thank you Jesus! The moral of the story is that if you are wearing overpants then you need to make darn sure you put the wallet in the proper pocket. I had just put it in the overpants without putting it in my jeans. The second rule is that if you have emergency cash stashed, put a second credit card in there with it just in case. BTW, this is also what 'warped' my rotors as afterwards I had terrible shuddering....
Glad you found it! You may want to check the battery in the FOB. The KiPass shouldn't have taken that long leading you to the correct pocket (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
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When I travel out- of- state I also carry both fobs but I don't disable either one. They work fine if both are left active. I usually carry the 'spare' in my riding jacket and the other one is always carried in my pants pocket (always- whether I am riding the bike or not). My point is that you can carry two active fobs without any problem, I have even had them in the same pocket occasionally and the system works fine like that. Of course if you leave the case with the fob in it on the bike, you absolutely should disable that fob.
Brian
Whenver I go on an overnight trip I pack my spare fob, wrapped in aluminum foil in my overnight/medicine case. So far I have not needed to use it.
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I carry the credit card fob as spare in my wallet when traveling
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I carry the credit card fob as spare in my wallet when traveling
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Alright this is probably a stupid question,but will these CC work on 08s?
Mike....I asked the deal bout new fob was told 250.00 :banghead:
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Alright this is probably a stupid question,but will these CC work on 08s?
Mike....I asked the deal bout new fob was told 250.00 :banghead:
Yes, the CC type will work on all C14s
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Yep and they are only about $35 or so.
Brian
Alright this is probably a stupid question,but will these CC work on 08s?
Mike....I asked the deal bout new fob was told 250.00 :banghead:
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where did you get the credit card fobs from? I need a second one. I found a key ecu and key for $200 but the othe is way cheeper.
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where did you get the credit card fobs from? I need a second one. I found a key ecu and key for $200 but the othe is way cheeper.
Dealer or somewhere like http://www.ronayers.com/ (http://www.ronayers.com/)...
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My credit card FOB stays in my wallet and sucked the battery life from my regular fob, somehow. Not sure how but it happened. Oh the mad pow-ah of KiPass :o