Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Poseidon on March 18, 2018, 07:00:40 PM
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Well, I finally made it back out to the mountains today. It was the first time riding out there this year and the first time I had the Concours in the Mountains. For those familiar with the area, I took Route 6 up to Afton Mountain and rode the BRP down to Route 60. I always have to take Route 60 west into Buena Vista. That is one of my favorite stretches of road out there. I turned around at the visitors center, and headed east on 60 back home. There was still some snow and ice up on the BRP, but the road was clear and dry. I took some good pictures while I was up there.
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Wow that Candy Imperial Blue really pops. I like it! :thumbs:
Any body know how it compares to 2013's Metallic Nocturne Blue?...... lighter? darker? about the same? Clearly much lighter than '10's Candy Neptune Blue
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Wow that Candy Imperial Blue really pops. I like it! :thumbs:
Any body know how it compares to 2013's Metallic Nocturne Blue?...... lighter? darker? about the same? Clearly much lighter than '10's Candy Neptune Blue
Great looking color and bike spoiled by that huge black donkey dong..
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Wow that Candy Imperial Blue really pops. I like it! :thumbs:
Any body know how it compares to 2013's Metallic Nocturne Blue?...... lighter? darker? about the same? Clearly much lighter than '10's Candy Neptune Blue
They have gotten progressively lighter, although, 2013 is lighter in the sun than it looks in the picture below. My 2017 changes a lot depending on the light also.
Candy Neptune Blue (2010)
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Metallic Nocturne Blue (2013)
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Candy Imperial Blue (2017)
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Great looking color and bike spoiled by that huge black donkey dong..
That is enough of that! I have resisted the urge to start modifying the Concours so far. I don't need any encouragement.
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Leaving it on there could be considered bike abuse.
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Leaving it on there could be considered bike abuse.
I agree, it looks ridiculous, but I kind of like having one of my bikes quiet. I also know that once I change exhaust, I will want / need an ECU flash, throttle bodies, headers, etc, etc, etc. Then I'm right down the rabbit hole again.
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I agree, it looks ridiculous, but I kind of like having one of my bikes quiet. I also know that once I change exhaust, I will want / need an ECU flash, throttle bodies, headers, etc, etc, etc. Then I'm right down the rabbit hole again.
1) It doesn't look ridiculous, it looks just fine. At least it does with the bags on... but most of us never take those off, anyway.
2) It is not restrictive with the rest of the system, as designed. Replacing it will not net "any" power. It will just sound different (usually annoying, at least to me), save a few pounds (skip a meal or three), and look different.
3) You will want an ECU flash. It will change the bike in ways you will VERY much notice and appreciate. Do if after you have ridden a while (and pushed the bike hard) and you will appreciate it a lot more.
4) Flashing in no way requires replacing the muffler. Reflashing is the best money you can ever spend on the C14 except maybe necessary ergonomic stuff and the extended warranty.
5) Flashing AND replacing the muffler nets almost nothing over just flashing.
Now, if you want to replace the whole exhaust system (muffler, pipes, header) and TB, THAT is a different story (and it will require a different/custom flash, too). But you don't have to go down that path unless you just like spending lots and lots of money (and it is not a great return on the money). Flash first and see, and you will likely have no interest in that other stuff :)
So my advice for spending money on the C14 is:
1) Buy the extended warranty immediately.
2) Get it comfortable to ride (seat/bars/height).
3) Add extra brake lights/running lights, larger horns, etc if you feel it is necessary for safety.
4) Learn and appreciate the bike, push it hard. Then reflash it.
5) Farkle it with convenience and more comfort stuff- equipment chargers, trickle charger, extra lights, mounts, coms, grips, screens, deflectors, fall protection (like Canyon Cages), throttle lock, maybe cruise.
6) Cosmetic stuff.
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1) It doesn't look ridiculous, it looks just fine. At least it does with the bags on... but most of us never take those off, anyway.
2) It is not restrictive with the rest of the system, as designed. Replacing it will not net "any" power. It will just sound different (usually annoying, at least to me), save a few pounds (skip a meal or three), and look different.
3) You will want an ECU flash. It will change the bike in ways you will VERY much notice and appreciate. Do if after you have ridden a while (and pushed the bike hard) and you will appreciate it a lot more.
4) Flashing in no way requires replacing the muffler. Reflashing is the best money you can ever spend on the C14 except maybe necessary ergonomic stuff and the extended warranty.
5) Flashing AND replacing the muffler nets almost nothing over just flashing.
Now, if you want to replace the whole exhaust system (muffler, pipes, header) and TB, THAT is a different story (and it will require a different/custom flash, too). But you don't have to go down that path unless you just like spending lots and lots of money (and it is not a great return on the money). Flash first and see, and you will likely have no interest in that other stuff :)
So my advice for spending money on the C14 is:
1) Buy the extended warranty immediately.
2) Get it comfortable to ride (seat/bars/height).
3) Add extra brake lights/running lights, larger horns, etc if you feel it is necessary for safety.
4) Learn and appreciate the bike, push it hard. Then reflash it.
5) Farkle it with convenience and more comfort stuff- equipment chargers, trickle charger, extra lights, mounts, coms, grips, screens, deflectors, fall protection (like Canyon Cages), throttle lock, maybe cruise.
6) Cosmetic stuff.
I'm pretty sure I'll be doing an ECU flash at some point fairly soon. The question is if I will be doing any other performance mods or not. I've been purposely holding back on the mods. I'm what you would call a mod-addict. I exceeded the MSRP of my M109 in mods. That was when I quit keeping track of how much I had spent on it. Did a few more mods after that. I almost had as much as the MSRP into my Can-Am XMR1000. I'm over half way there on my Magnum! I still have a pile of boxes in the garage full of new parts for the Magnum that I haven't installed yet. I did several mods to my wife's Can-Am Spyder over the winter this year. The mod bug bit me and I still haven't found a cure!
1) done - I bought the bike from Ultimate Cycles and bought the extended warranty from them at the forum price when I bought the bike.
2) done for the most part. I added grip puppies. I haven't decided if I want the bars a little higher or not. Going to give it a little more time before I decide. The forward lean gets me a little, but I'm not sure if it is just a matter of getting used to it or not. No issues at all with the stock seat and pegs.
3) Maybe do that stuff next winter or over a rainy weekend. I mostly just plan on installing LED headlights along with the 2 little lights in-between the headlights.
4) already been pushing it. You have to hold back a little on the launches to keep the front wheel down in the first 3 gears. :finger_fing11:
5) Already did the GPS. Trying to figure out a way to mount my phone so I can connect it to the GPS for weather and traffic updates on the Garmin app. (This bike has no where to mount anything easily!) Already did a trickle charger. I haven't found any crash bars I like the looks of yet. (I know that is not their purpose, but if they don't look halfway decent, I'll never put them on) I still think Cruise Control is needed. I'll most likely do that one over the winter. It is a big project!
6) Doubt I'll do any cosmetic mods. I bought this bike to ride! My M109 takes care of the bike night and bike show duties.
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1) It doesn't look ridiculous, it looks just fine. At least it does with the bags on... but most of us never take those off, anyway.
2) It is not restrictive with the rest of the system, as designed. Replacing it will not net "any" power. It will just sound different (usually annoying, at least to me), save a few pounds (skip a meal or three), and look different.
3) You will want an ECU flash. It will change the bike in ways you will VERY much notice and appreciate. Do if after you have ridden a while (and pushed the bike hard) and you will appreciate it a lot more.
4) Flashing in no way requires replacing the muffler. Reflashing is the best money you can ever spend on the C14 except maybe necessary ergonomic stuff and the extended warranty.
5) Flashing AND replacing the muffler nets almost nothing over just flashing.
Now, if you want to replace the whole exhaust system (muffler, pipes, header) and TB, THAT is a different story (and it will require a different/custom flash, too). But you don't have to go down that path unless you just like spending lots and lots of money (and it is not a great return on the money). Flash first and see, and you will likely have no interest in that other stuff :)
So my advice for spending money on the C14 is:
1) Buy the extended warranty immediately.
2) Get it comfortable to ride (seat/bars/height).
3) Add extra brake lights/running lights, larger horns, etc if you feel it is necessary for safety.
4) Learn and appreciate the bike, push it hard. Then reflash it.
5) Farkle it with convenience and more comfort stuff- equipment chargers, trickle charger, extra lights, mounts, coms, grips, screens, deflectors, fall protection (like Canyon Cages), throttle lock, maybe cruise.
6) Cosmetic stuff.
I've been reading up on flashing the ECU. It looks like there are 3 people doing it. You had listed in another thread that there is Steve in FL, Ivan in NY, and Guhl? Who is that and where is he located? Any other differences in the three flashes besides the torque numbers down low that you mentioned? Only website I've been able to find was Ivan's. Anyone have links to the other two? Just want to do some reading about each one.
Thanks!
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I've been reading up on flashing the ECU. It looks like there are 3 people doing it. You had listed in another thread that there is Steve in FL, Ivan in NY, and Guhl? Who is that and where is he located? Any other differences in the three flashes besides the torque numbers down low that you mentioned? Only website I've been able to find was Ivan's. Anyone have links to the other two? Just want to do some reading about each one.
Thanks!
http://www.guhlmotors.com/kawasaki-reflash.html (http://www.guhlmotors.com/kawasaki-reflash.html)
https://sites.google.com/site/shoodabenengineering/concours1400 (https://sites.google.com/site/shoodabenengineering/concours1400)
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http://www.guhlmotors.com/kawasaki-reflash.html (http://www.guhlmotors.com/kawasaki-reflash.html)
https://sites.google.com/site/shoodabenengineering/concours1400 (https://sites.google.com/site/shoodabenengineering/concours1400)
Thanks! :thumbs:
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Any other differences in the three flashes besides the torque numbers down low that you mentioned?
Guhl was first... which is why I have that flash. I haven't heard much about his work for several years now. Unlike Steve and Ivan, he didn't put much of anything in the flash that helps with smoothness and handling, just power and responsiveness. So unless some other information comes out that he has revised his work, I would advise against Guhl's because his now costs a little more and yet offers less in return. As an early adopter, I am now kinda stuck (but hey, I have been enjoying many/most of the benefits for a lot longer).
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1) It doesn't look ridiculous, it looks just fine. At least it does with the bags on... but most of us never take those off, anyway.
2) It is not restrictive with the rest of the system, as designed. Replacing it will not net "any" power. It will just sound different (usually annoying, at least to me), save a few pounds (skip a meal or three), and look different.
3) You will want an ECU flash. It will change the bike in ways you will VERY much notice and appreciate. Do if after you have ridden a while (and pushed the bike hard) and you will appreciate it a lot more.
4) Flashing in no way requires replacing the muffler. Reflashing is the best money you can ever spend on the C14 except maybe necessary ergonomic stuff and the extended warranty.
5) Flashing AND replacing the muffler nets almost nothing over just flashing.
Now, if you want to replace the whole exhaust system (muffler, pipes, header) and TB, THAT is a different story (and it will require a different/custom flash, too). But you don't have to go down that path unless you just like spending lots and lots of money (and it is not a great return on the money). Flash first and see, and you will likely have no interest in that other stuff :)
So my advice for spending money on the C14 is:
1) Buy the extended warranty immediately.
2) Get it comfortable to ride (seat/bars/height).
3) Add extra brake lights/running lights, larger horns, etc if you feel it is necessary for safety.
4) Learn and appreciate the bike, push it hard. Then reflash it.
5) Farkle it with convenience and more comfort stuff- equipment chargers, trickle charger, extra lights, mounts, coms, grips, screens, deflectors, fall protection (like Canyon Cages), throttle lock, maybe cruise.
6) Cosmetic stuff.
Pretty good lists max', you might want to add ditch/replace the stock Bridgestone tires somewhere between #3 and #5 of the second list.
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Pretty good lists max', you might want to add ditch/replace the stock Bridgestone tires somewhere between #3 and #5 of the second list.
Only 1805 miles on mine, but I've been happy with them so far. If there are better options out there, it is going to be one really fun ride!
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Only 1805 miles on mine, but I've been happy with them so far. If there are better options out there, it is going to be one really fun ride!
I would do it before #4! You'll be lucky to get 4,500 out them anyway.
You can't imagine how much better it can be. You have to trust us on this.
I have a little experience with tires on these bikes. I've been through a couple sets since buying mine new. ???
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I would do it before #4! You'll be lucky to get 4,500 out them anyway.
You can't imagine how much better it can be. You have to trust us on this.
I have a little experience with tires on these bikes. I've been through a couple sets since buying mine new. ???
The more he wears out the stock tires, the more he'll feel and appreciate new tires.
Most tires feel good when they're new.
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Pretty good lists max', you might want to add ditch/replace the stock Bridgestone tires somewhere between #3 and #5 of the second list.
Well, I thought about adding that to the list, originally, but few people are going to spend that money until they are at least mostly worn out. I figured that is more maintenance, like oil changes and differential oil.
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I would do it before #4! You'll be lucky to get 4,500 out them anyway.
You can't imagine how much better it can be. You have to trust us on this.
I have to agree that the stock tires are not all that great, but it is a big expense.
The more he wears out the stock tires, the more he'll feel and appreciate new tires.
Most tires feel good when they're new.
True that. The biggest difference with better tires is that they feel good for much, much longer.
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That is enough of that! I have resisted the urge to start modifying the Concours so far. I don't need any encouragement.
If you need a carbon fibre Area P can, I got one and you're local.
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...and so it begins.
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I've been trying to figure out how to word this without turning it into a tire thread. What are the top 3-4 tires everyone runs on the Concours? I'll research them on my own from there.
Thanks!
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If you need a carbon fibre Area P can, I got one and you're local.
You all are making this really difficult! :D
I went to their website. dB is same as stock at 5000 RPM but a little louder at idle. Has a lot better sound tho. Do you have to repack those cans or are they just baffles inside? New can or used? How much are you wanting for it?
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I've been trying to figure out how to word this without turning it into a tire thread. What are the top 3-4 tires everyone runs on the Concours? I'll research them on my own from there.
OH we can turn a thread in two posts or less! If threads were stampedes we'd be top hands of turnin' the lead cow.
I was a Michellen Road Pilot 4 GT man for a long time, but of late Avon Storm 3D X-M have won me over. Pirelli Angel GT spec A are good too. I'm not sure of the wear of the Pirrelli tires since I'm not a daily rider, I'm more of a trip rider and I frequently change tires before they are worn out because I hate stopping in the middle of a trip to change tires. The first time I tried the Avon Storms I thought maybe the rear seemed to slip a bit more than the Michellens. I've tried a second set and I've been running the Avons a couple of pounds higher in pressure (44-45) and haven't noticed any slippage this time around. They seem to wear longer than the Michellens maybe 10% more? ...and they certainly cost less. The Michellens are supposed to be great in the rain, but to be honest I ran in a lot of rain in Washington and Oregon on my first set of Avons with no problems. My slippage problem (real or imagined) with the first set of Avons was always when applying the throttle while still leaned over exiting a turn. My cornering skills are below average and I always wear out my tires in the middle first. The Pirelli Angel GTs seemed to have no slip ever, but like I say I don't know how they wear because I had to change them early. If you are, or plan on being a daily rider then any of these three will serve you well, if you are more of a trip taker then I think Michellens or Avons will work well for you.
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OH we can turn a thread in two posts or less! If threads were stampedes we'd be top hands of turnin' the lead cow.
I was a Michellen Road Pilot 4 GT man for a long time, but of late Avon Storm 3D X-M have won me over. Pirelli Angel GT spec A are good too. I'm not sure of the wear of the Pirrelli tires since I'm not a daily rider, I'm more of a trip rider and I frequently change tires before they are worn out because I hate stopping in the middle of a trip to change tires. The first time I tried the Avon Storms I thought maybe the rear seemed to slip a bit more than the Michellens. I've tried a second set and I've been running the Avons a couple of pounds higher in pressure (44-45) and haven't noticed and slippage this time around. They seem to wear longer than the Michellens maybe 10% more? and they certainly cost less. The Michellens are supposed to be great in the rain, but to be honest I ran in a lot of rain in Washington and Oregon on my first set of Avons with no problems. My slippage problem (real or imagined) with the first set of Avons was always when applying the throttle while still leaned over exiting a turn. My cornering skills are below average and I always wear out my tires in the middle first. The Pirelli Angel GTs seemed to have no slip ever, but like I say I don't know how they wear because I had to change them early. If you are or plan on being a daily rider then any of these three will serve you well, if you are more of a trip taker then I think Michellens or Avons will work well for you.
I'm more of a weekend warrior. I don't ride at all during the week, except maybe to bike night across town when I get a chance. That is mostly on my M109. I have a company car and travel for work. Weekend trips out to the mountains every chance I get. Mostly day trips there and back 300 - 400 miles each. Long weekends or vacations I do longer trips. The day rides and long trips will probably be split between the Magnum and the Concours. If the weather is iffy I have some local back road routes I like to ride. The twistier the better!
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I fly with Angels. 8)
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Pretty good lists max', you might want to add ditch/replace the stock Bridgestone tires somewhere between #3 and #5 of the second list.
Gettin' rid of the 021 Crapstones should be the first delete and upgrade to Michelin PR4. If you can stand the stock seat for more than 300 miles, Poseidon will now mean "King of the Seat" instead of sea.
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Gettin' rid of the 021 Crapstones should be the first delete and upgrade to Michelin PR4. If you can stand the stock seat for more than 300 miles, Poseidon will now mean "King of the Seat" instead of sea.
Hahaha! The seat wasn’t uncomfortable at all. If you want an uncomfortable seat, try a stock M109 seat sometime!!! I was doing really good to last an hour on that thing before I had to stop for a break. With the Corbin I have on the 109 now, I’m good for the duration of a tank of gas. Around 180-200 miles, although, the people I ride with normally stop for a break before that.
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Hahaha! The seat wasn’t uncomfortable at all.
You have a 2017, which is an improved seat over the older C14's (pre 2016, I think).
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You have a 2017, which is an improved seat over the older C14's (pre 2016, I think).
Oh, ok. That explains a lot then.
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My wife and I rode out to Scottsville, VA to Tavern on the James for lunch today. Afterwards, we rode out to Hatton Ferry. It is the last remaining pole ferry in the United States.
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On our way back home, I saw these cannons and had to stop for a picture. Also stopped off at an old General store that looks like it is being used as a post office.
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