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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: 07midnite on November 09, 2020, 10:29:20 AM
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Hello,
I've searched this forum for an oil filter reference chart but cant seem to find one. Does anyone know what other filters fit a 2019 GTR other than factory-made in China, or K&N?
Thanks in advance!
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http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=1650.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=1650.0)
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K&N Motorcycle Oil Filter KN-303 $13 on Amazon. This the one I use.
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It's the one I used as well.
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It's the one I used as well.
And me. And lots of others. Reasonable quality, price, and availability.
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And me. And lots of others. Reasonable quality, price, and availability.
But...it's K&N :stirpot: :rotflmao:
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But...it's K&N :stirpot: :rotflmao:
Their oil filters seem to be well made and have the advantage of the hex-nut welded on the end so MUCH easier to remove.
For me they seem worth the extra few $ over the budget filters.
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and have the advantage of the hex-nut welded on the end so MUCH easier to remove.
And that would be the killer feature... if it worked. The problem is that the nut is so poorly formed and so shallow, that I have yet to be able to remove it using a socket wrench. Any amount of significant torque and it just skips. Perhaps it is my socket set (although we are talking quality [original] Craftsman, they are 12 point).
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And that would be the killer feature... if it worked. The problem is that the nut is so poorly formed and so shallow, that I have yet to be able to remove it using a socket wrench. Any amount of significant torque and it just skips. Perhaps it is my socket set (although we are talking quality [original] Craftsman, they are 12 point).
:rotflmao:
According to their blurb it should be 17mm.
I dumped all my 12 point sockets years ago after chewing up way too many nuts and bolts.
6 point is where it's at, and all my 1/2" ones are Impact sockets too so are breaker-bar/impact-driver proof.
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:rotflmao:I dumped all my 12 point sockets years ago after chewing up way too many nuts and bolts. 6 point is where it's at
All my 1/4 sockets are 6-point. But all my 3/8 sockets and box-end wrenches are 12-point. I have only a few 1/2 and those are 6-point. I probably should purchase a set of 3/8 6-point sockets. I don't even know what good quality is anymore, though, since Craftsman essentially disappeared. Almost all my tools are pre-2000's Craftsman.
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Never had any issues removing it via the welded nut. Guess I was using the right tools.
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Went by a whole line of Craftsman tools in Lowes today.
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Their oil filters seem to be well made and have the advantage of the hex-nut welded on the end so MUCH easier to remove.
For me they seem worth the extra few $ over the budget filters.
I guess you missed the stirring the pot and guy laughing emoticons. Those meant I was joking.
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Went by a whole line of Craftsman tools in Lowes today.
Yeah, but are they actually Craftsman? Or just the name slapped on some lower-quality Chinese stuff? Even Sears obliterated their own Craftsman hand-tool warranty in their last bastion of failure when bought by K-Mart.
"Beginning in 2010, hand tools manufactured for Craftsman by Apex Tool Group (formerly known as Danaher) such as ratchets, sockets, and wrenches began to be sourced overseas mainly in China"
"Consumers may find different versions of Craftsman products at the different outlets that sell them because after the sale of Craftsman to SBD, the entities are free to source Craftsman from the suppliers of their own choosing."
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I didn't have my magnifying glass with me...sorry. ;)
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Yeah, but are they actually Craftsman? Or just the name slapped on some lower-quality Chinese stuff? Even Sears obliterated their own Craftsman hand-tool warranty in their last bastion of failure when bought by K-Mart.
"Beginning in 2010, hand tools manufactured for Craftsman by Apex Tool Group (formerly known as Danaher) such as ratchets, sockets, and wrenches began to be sourced overseas mainly in China"
"Consumers may find different versions of Craftsman products at the different outlets that sell them because after the sale of Craftsman to SBD, the entities are free to source Craftsman from the suppliers of their own choosing."
Yes, they are Craftsman. They also are shifting back to manufacturing the tools in the US. https://money.cnn.com/2017/10/24/news/companies/craftsman-lowes-sears/index.html (https://money.cnn.com/2017/10/24/news/companies/craftsman-lowes-sears/index.html)
http://www.mustangandfords.com/events/1811-craftsman-tools-is-back-made-in-usa (http://www.mustangandfords.com/events/1811-craftsman-tools-is-back-made-in-usa)
There only thing I don't like about Lowes carrying Craftsman, is that I discovered I really liked Kobalt tools. I tried them after Sears went out locally. Lowes still carries Kobalt, but because they also have Crafstman, they don't have the same selection they used to have. I have noticed lately it has gotten a little better, but they still carry more Crafstman. The added bonus for me, is my wife works there so I get a discount. ;D
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I switched to a K&N Filter that is longer {ie; more volume) than the 303.
It's the same diameter/gasket/internals', and has the nut on the end.
But, it costs less...
NOTE: I also place a speaker magnet over the nut so that the magnet can attract metal particles.
Works great.
Ride safe, Ted
PS: I don't have the longer filter number available. Will try to find it.
Update; The filter I went to is a K&N 198.
Available at Walmart or O'Riley Auto parts.
https://www.knfilters.com/kn-198-oil-filter (https://www.knfilters.com/kn-198-oil-filter)
Here is the K&N 303. So, you can compare the specification's.
https://www.knfilters.com/kn-303-oil-filter (https://www.knfilters.com/kn-303-oil-filter)
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Interesting idea. The "regular" prices on Amazon are the same, but the 198 is currently lower in price by about $2 "for a limited time". I wonder if the larger filter = larger filter paper area = longer service life? (Just because it is bigger doesn't mean the filter inside is any bigger or more/larger pleats).
303 = 66mm OD x 83mm long = 283,959 mm^3
198 = 65mm OD x 96mm long = 318,557 mm^3
So not that much difference in volume (32,598 mm^3 = 12%). So I guess it doesn't matter much.
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{ok, OK,,, Oooootay!!}
Sooooo mebbe I wasn't specific about "how much",,, bigger/longer/cheaper, it wuz... :stirpot:
But, at least I didn't lie. <sneaky grin>
Ride safe, Ted
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It's nice to have a second option, especially one that costs less. I doubt many of us would have known this was possible without your posting.
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Not a problem. Just something I tried.
Anything (err/uhh/we'll, "Almost anything"} for the COGdom.
Ride safe, Ted
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MC specific filters tend to be lower quality than car versions while tending to cost more, including the Chinese-made Kawi contract one. I've read a few dissection articles and the K&N is usually good but Purolator came out consistently near the top along with Mobil, you just need to find one with the right relief valve pressure.
Kawi spec is 12-15 psi relief and the Purolator PL14459 matches that and has the same M20x1.5 thread so I settled on that several years ago since I have another bike and car that uses the same. They also make the PL14610 and 14612 which are slightly longer, same threads, but have a 14-18 psi relief. I get the PL14459 for about $6-8.
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Isn't the OD too large to get a proper seal with the one you use? i've been using the PL14610 for the last eight years with no issues but the relief valve may cause issues I'm not aware of yet? They seem to work well filtering wise and the price is good too!
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The gasket is identical, just the outer casing is larger diameter. No seal problem. I switched because of the larger oil capacity and the closer match to the stock pressure differential.
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Another option is the hiflo 303rc about $5 cheaper than k&n and has the nut for easy off.