Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Supatramp on September 28, 2011, 06:17:36 PM
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I been on the road for two weeks with my 08 Concours and today the Kipass started acting up. I managed to get it started, luckily, but I'm at a Super8 in Sturgis and it won't engage.
If I can't get it started, I'll have to call the Rapid City Kawasaki shop to come get it and me.
Any help is appreciated, please call Gary at seven three two, 492, four nine 3 1.
I've been tapping on the ingition switch and that or luck got it going a couple of times, but right now I can't get anything.
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This hotels internet is the pits, so a call would be best, thanks, Gary
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Did you try the bypass trick? A lot of the old threads are gone but I found this, it is referring to installing a fuse or switch but if you can detach the wire and then reattach it the idea is the same. Good luck.
"Under the top / left black fairing cover is a black rubber boot with several wiring harness connectors in it. Find the gray connector and the BLACK / WHITE wire and cut it. There, now the bike is disabled for all time :-) Strip back both ends of each wire.
I used a Gerbing fuse holder because I have several already and the quality of them is better than most. Also it contains a very large fuse, 15 Amp, which is what I wanted to use here. I do not want to fuse this circuit, I just want the fuse to be used as a switch. There is no risk of ever blowing a fuse that big in this circuit. Again, if something like a 1 amp fuse were used and it were to blow at some point, the bike would be completely disabled until the fuse was replaced.
Connect the fuse in- line with the wire that was cut earlier. Again, use a good, robust connection method and insulate the wires very well, this connection is to the KiPass control unit and critical to the operation of the bike. I soldered the wires and covered the joints in shrink- wrap tubing (two layers each) because it is the most robust method of wiring that I know. I also coat the fuse contacts with grease to prevent any possible corrosion over the years.
That's it. Make sure to leave at least a few inches of wire on each end of the fuse holder so the holder can be found and removed without taking off any Tupperware, even in the dark. Just tuck the fuse holder back under the fairing cover. If at some point the bike won't respond when you push the ignition switch down, just reach under the black fairing cover, find the fuse holder and pull it out a bit, remove and replace the fuse and you will have five seconds to turn the key to 'ON'.
If the fuse is removed (or the bypass becomes electrically disconnected for any reason) while the bike is running, the red warning light on the dash will light. The bike will KEEP RUNNING but the warning light will indicate the circuit has failed. This is why I used the BLACK / WHITE wire, it sinks (pulls to ground) the KiPass control unit. This result could be considered a benefit or a flaw depending on your point of view. I hereby declare it a benefit.
Of course we are now going to have a disposal problem what with all the old K-rocks clogging landfills from coast to coast :-)
Update: 28.April.09 The rest of the circuit that activates the KiPass system is the Green wire in the same connector. If the fuse is installed in this wire instead of the Black / White wire mentioned above, it works the same way except that it won't generate a fault if the circuit is opened after the bike is running. I have tested installing the fuse in the Green wire and it works well also. It was suggested by another forum member (he can jump in here so I won't speak for him) that using the Green wire is the more direct method with possibly less chance of disturbing anything else in the KiPass system. I agree with that thought and the simplest method is almost always the safest and cutting into the KiPass circuitry certainly carries some risk."
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Yeah but be careful- I know the guy who wrote that and he gets a lot of threads locked on a particular motorcycle forum....
Brian
Did you try the bypass trick? A lot of the old threads are gone but I found this, it is referring to installing a fuse or switch but if you can detach the wire and then reattach it the idea is the same. Good luck.
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Under the top / left fairing cover, the black one just under the left handlebar is a rubber boot with part of the wiring harness inside it. One of the connectors inside that boot is dark gray- pull that connector apart and put it back together. If the LCD display illuminates when you plug the connector back in, turn the key to the "ON" position immediately, and you have a stuck activation key. If nothing happens when reconnecting that connector, you have some other problem.
Also, before you do anything, always try the 'dead fob battery' method which is to remove the key from the fob, hold the fob directly against the ignition switch housing (there is a boss up front that the notch in the fob will fit on) and press the key down. If the LCD display illuminates when you do this then you have a dead fob battery.
If neither one of the above things work you probably have a dead main battery in the bike or a bad connection on or near the main battery.
Best of luck.
Brian
I been on the road for two weeks with my 08 Concours and today the Kipass started acting up. I managed to get it started, luckily, but I'm at a Super8 in Sturgis and it won't engage.
If I can't get it started, I'll have to call the Rapid City Kawasaki shop to come get it and me.
Any help is appreciated, please call Gary at seven three two, 492, four nine 3 1.
I've been tapping on the ingition switch and that or luck got it going a couple of times, but right now I can't get anything.
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Yeah but be careful- I know the guy who wrote that and he gets a lot of threads locked on a particular motorcycle forum....
Brian
LOL I had hoped you would show up to shed light on this. I have never done this little trick.
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The by-pass is a great temporary work- around and will work every single time for a stuck activation switch but is tough to do on the side of the road. It takes a little fairing removal, some wire splicing (ideally soldering) and then covering the soldered joints (again, ideally with shrink tubing). It is not really meant to be an emergency procedure. Then again, if you are stuck, I guess there is plenty of time to do whatever it takes to get going again. As you mentioned, you could just cut the wire and twist it together although there is not much wire length to work with there and it is about impossible to reach without taking at least the black fairing cover off.
Just to pass along a better understanding, this by- pass does not address the activation switch directly; those wires do not leave the ignition switch housing so they are not available to be cut, tapped into or anything else. The wire being cut is actually a CANBUS ground for the activation switch but it absolutely will do what is needed to get the activation switch and, especially, the entire bike up and running again.
Just out of curiosity, I wonder if the original poster can provide some info. about the bike that is stuck- what year, how many miles approximately, etc.
Brian
LOL I had hoped you would show up to shed light on this. I have never done this little trick.
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I been on the road for two weeks with my 08 Concours
Just out of curiosity, I wonder if the original poster can provide some info. about the bike that is stuck- what year, how many miles approximately, etc.
Brian
Well, it looks to be an 08. Wonder if it's Cap'n Bob's old bike?!?!?! :o
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Well, it looks to be an 08. Wonder if it's Cap'n Bob's old bike?!?!?! :o
Not unless the dealer shipped it out of state or the rider bought it out of state. It looks, from the profile, that the OP is from New Jersey.
The dealer in Rapid City has been good to us in the past. I've actually bought a riding jacket from them. They were the dealer of choice for the 2006 National. If it's a solid failure I would take it into them and get it looked at.
We've only had a few 'solid' failures of that switch (Bob, being one of them). It's a real PITA if it happens on a trip across country, though.
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Yep, as stated in the original post- it is an '08. Thanks for reading that to me.... I promise I will try to pay more attention in the future (but I am getting older so it might be an uphill race).
Brian
Well, it looks to be an 08. Wonder if it's Cap'n Bob's old bike?!?!?! :o
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The by-pass is a great temporary work- around and will work every single time for a stuck activation switch but is tough to do on the side of the road. It takes a little fairing removal, some wire splicing (ideally soldering) and then covering the soldered joints (again, ideally with shrink tubing). It is not really meant to be an emergency procedure. Then again, if you are stuck, I guess there is plenty of time to do whatever it takes to get going again. As you mentioned, you could just cut the wire and twist it together although there is not much wire length to work with there and it is about impossible to reach without taking at least the black fairing cover off.
Brian
Thanks for that clarification, I was wondering how much wore there was to work with. I knew it was a paint to get to.
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Didn't someone post that you can unplug the gray connector Under the top / left black fairing cover and plug it back in without cutting any wires?
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Gary, you may want to try spraying silicone lube at the 9 o'clock position around the key and leave it for an hour or so and then try again.
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Gary, you may want to try spraying silicone lube at the 9 o'clock position around the key and leave it for an hour or so and then try again.
Not to start controversy, ;D but I don't like the idea of using silicone on parts like this, it will tend to attract more dirt and cause a bigger problem later. Then again, he is already stuck, so if it works it works and I know others have done it in the past. I guess if worse comes to worse, if he did use silicone, he could always use an electronics parts cleaner, the type without lube later to clean it out.
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That or get a bigger KRock. ;D
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I hope someone helps you solve this problem. If not take a couple aspirins and call the dealer. Because this is going to hurt.
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Gary, you may want to try spraying silicone lube at the 9 o'clock position around the key and leave it for an hour or so and then try again.
what about spraying the silicone now. I know it's 6 in the afternoon but, is there any technical reason to wait until 9 o'clock? :P
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:rotflmao:
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I don't think that's going to work....
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Guys. After a couple of hours it connected & I haven't turned it off since. Ate a seventy dollar
Motel room and left last night. Near Chicago and trying to make it home. It never had any previous symptom.
The bike just went over ten thousand on this trip
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You have my sympathies, I was almost k-stranded. The same thing happen to me just over the border in PA. Not a good feeling but I was lucky, it was the last day of a 2.5 week x-country trip. I used my BMW Motorrad sidestand plate as the k-hammer, it started and I rode back to RI without shutting the bike down.
My dealer fixed it, they did the Kawasaki recommended fix and installed a stronger spring in the ignition. Do a search here for more tech info about what the spring does and how it fails. The spring looked like something out of pen....LOL!
My bike is a 2010 with 20k on it at the time of the k-failure....
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One aspect of this adventure is the fact that the entire Sturgis / Black Hills area is really not all that biker friendly.
I mean, don't get me wrong, they really do appreciate the revenue and tourism dollars that Bike Week and other bikers bring to the area. But in general they want you to come, spend your money, and leave as soon as you can.
We were in the Black Hills in Sept of 08', rode all the usual areas (Needles, Custer, Spearfish, etc.......) when we rode into Sturgis a friend wanted to stop at Sturgis H-D, and while going across the parking lot he ran over a piece of metal and it cut his rear tire on his V-Rod and it went flat to the rim. We all look at each other and say "well, at least we are at the H-D dealer!"
Turns out the H-D dealer only has service during bike week, the rest of the year it's a shirt shack. Call EVERY tire store in Sturgis, asking if we brought in the rear wheel if they would take a look at it "Nope, we don't work on Motorcycle Tires". I rode to a small bike shop (I think the only one in town), and he didn't have any tire changing gear, but he said we would have no luck short of Rapid City, and not to expect help from anyone west of Rapid. We couldn't even find a Sturgis based towing company to haul the bike to Rapid. So, after a $800 bill at the H-D dealer in Rapid ($500 to tow, $300 for a tire and install, and it wasted an entire day) we were back on the road.
That trip left a bad taste in my mouth about the area. The riding is great, and in general the people are quite nice, but the business owners, at least to me, do not appreciate what they have. At one fuel stop, we all filled up, walked in the door and I didn't have cash, was going to use my debit card. I needed to pay for about $15 in fuel, and was informed that there was a $25 minimum charge for fuel on credit/debit cards. No if, ands, or buts. Several gas stations had a similar policy, or a $5 charge for using a credit card (irregardless of what you were buying). The guy at the bike shop said they only really enforce it if you weren't a local.
Sorry about the rant, but I could see the situation the fella was in with the Ignition being stuck
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One aspect of this adventure is the fact that the entire Sturgis / Black Hills area is really not all that biker friendly.
That trip left a bad taste in my mouth about the area.
Wow :yikes: I can see my desire dwindling to make that trip... Had always thought I would at some point...
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Wow :yikes: I can see my desire dwindling to make that trip... Had always thought I would at some point...
We made a trip to Deadwood in 07 and did not experience any negative biker treatment at all and had a great stay. It was July and Sturgis was like a ghost town but the one restuarant that was open was very biker friendly. The owner was a rider and sat down with us and had a nice chat and told us about some great local roads.
I suspect any negative treatment is a result of bad behavior by the Sturgis Harley trash.
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Pirates do as pirates are.
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Does anyone know what the part number for the stronger spring is?
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Does anyone know what the part number for the stronger spring is?
Does anyone know if the 11 comes with the "stronger spring"?
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............... But in general they want you to come, spend your money, and leave as soon as you can.
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My experience with traveling in the West is that they want you to leave it as you found it! I am sympathetic to their wishes.
Many tourist tend to loose their inhibitions and in fact act as if because they aren't at home that no one will know or see.
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I actually live in Minnesota, and work for a Machine Tool dealer, and part of our territory is N and S Dakota. I am in Rapid and the surrounding area 5 or 6 times a year for work, and the only negative trip I have had out there has been the one time on my bike. It was not just a single occurrence, it happened to all 3 of us over the span of 5 days. We were nothing but respectful.
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I spent a week in Spearfish... we have a meet up there every year in July at the City campground.. ~50 of us. They have been nothing but kind to us, roll out the welcome mat, the Mayor even shows up and hangs out with us once in a while.
We ride all over the Blackhills... Needles... Devils Tower... we get nothing but kidness, normal people being normal. Now, we do hear from a few about "hell is coming soon", which is the Sturgis meet. But they refer to us as the "quite ones"... and "motorcyclists". ;)
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Guys. After a couple of hours it connected & I haven't turned it off since. Ate a seventy dollar
Motel room and left last night. Near Chicago and trying to make it home. It never had any previous symptom.
The bike just went over ten thousand on this trip
Good to hear you got back going. I hope you had a good ride. I rode from Pittsburgh to Iowa yesterday and decided to take I-70 instead of I-80 because it looked like marginally better weather on that route or I would have passed by you. I got stormed on through Indiana and then had high winds the rest of the way, but it wasn't too bad. Good luck, hopefully you won't have any more issues.
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Can you elaborate a little bit on what the specific problem was and what you mean by 'it connected'? What did you do, if anything, to cause it to work?
Brian
Guys. After a couple of hours it connected & I haven't turned it off since. Ate a seventy dollar
Motel room and left last night. Near Chicago and trying to make it home. It never had any previous symptom.
The bike just went over ten thousand on this trip
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I asked about the part number for the new stronger spring when my bike was repaired.
I was told that there wasn't a new part number, just a stronger spring....
I don't know, didn't push it further as the guys at Razee Motorcycles are top notch....
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Yeah, me too- the whole spring thing is being handled pretty close to the vest.... No part number, no knowledge of when, or even if, it is used in newer ignition assemblies, etc. I don't really blame Kawi though as there would be a line a mile long for the new spring if it was a traceable part.
OFFTOPIC a little bit: Did you get your new air filter in your bike OK? If so, I have an amusing story about that. If not, I have absolutely no knowledge about the air filter or any other major maintenance performed on your bike.... ;D
Brian
I asked about the part number for the new stronger spring when my bike was repaired.
I was told that there wasn't a new part number, just a stronger spring....
I don't know, didn't push it further as the guys at Razee Motorcycles are top notch....
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Yeah, me too- the whole spring thing is being handled pretty close to the vest.... No part number, no knowledge of when, or even if, it is used in newer ignition assemblies, etc. I don't really blame Kawi though as there would be a line a mile long for the new spring if it was a traceable part.
OFFTOPIC a little bit: Did you get your new air filter in your bike OK? If so, I have an amusing story about that. If not, I have absolutely no knowledge about the air filter or any other major maintenance performed on your bike.... ;D
Brian
I like amusing stories, but start a new thread with it. We haven't had a funny air filter story in awhile.
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Can you elaborate a little bit on what the specific problem was and what you mean by 'it connected'? What did you do, if anything, to cause it to work?
Brian
I just got home, 1 o'clock est., I didn't sleep the whole trip, except last night, on a rest stop floor, for about a half hour. About a quarter way down the Penn. Turnpike, heading east, I guess, I dozed off. When I looked up, I was about to sideswipe the wall. I don't know how I didn't go down, but held it up, sideswiped the cement median.
The left mirror got a little scratched and the saddel bad has a nice war scare on it now. Anyway I'm ready to go again.
Back to the bike, I shut it down at home and it's dead in the water, glad I let it run the past two days. Will look into the connections, when I feel mentally repaired.
What I meant by contact is, the panel lit up as normal, by pressing the key down, lighting up and hearing the click. The bike fired up without a problem, before that, pressing the key down, or using the fob method, got no response at all, like the battery wasn't connected, hopefully, that's what it is.
It sure sounds like a connection problem. I'll get back here as soon as I can think straight. Thanks, for all the responses guys. By the way, it was the trip of a lifetime, I'm ready to go again.
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Wow, it was only going to be a one- post deviation. How about a little judicial discretion subject to later tie- in? 8)
Brian
I like amusing stories, but start a new thread with it. We haven't had a funny air filter story in awhile.
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Yeah, I just finished up one of those long distance, no- sleep trips myself. They can be trying. Glad to hear it was just a nick.
OK, so you push the key down and nothing happens. That sounds like the 'stuck activation switch' problem. If you want to tinker with the bike, let me know and I can try to help you troubleshoot it. If the bike is under warranty, it is a warranty issue. If not, there still might be something that you can do to the bike to fix this depending on how much work you want to do and are comfortable doing.
Brian
I just got home, 1 o'clock est., I didn't sleep the whole trip, except last night, on a rest stop floor, for about a half hour. About a quarter way down the Penn. Turnpike, heading east, I guess, I dozed off. When I looked up, I was about to sideswipe the wall. I don't know how I didn't go down, but held it up, sideswiped the cement median.
The left mirror got a little scratched and the saddel bad has a nice war scare on it now. Anyway I'm ready to go again.
Back to the bike, I shut it down at home and it's dead in the water, glad I let it run the past two days. Will look into the connections, when I feel mentally repaired.
What I meant by contact is, the panel lit up as normal, by pressing the key down, lighting up and hearing the click. The bike fired up without a problem, before that, pressing the key down, or using the fob method, got no response at all, like the battery wasn't connected, hopefully, that's what it is.
It sure sounds like a connection problem. I'll get back here as soon as I can think straight. Thanks, for all the responses guys. By the way, it was the trip of a lifetime, I'm ready to go again.
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Wow, it was only going to be a one- post deviation. How about a little judicial discretion subject to later tie- in? 8)
Brian
Nope. I need amusement and one post ain't gonna do it. And I want it separate because we deserves it.
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I fear that I may have built up too much anticipation- the story just isn't going to be that amusing. It really would have only been amusing to RIGS.... maybe. I respectfully withdraw my earlier intent to post a funny story about RIGS air filter.
Good thing we didn't go off topic. (http://zggtr.org/Smileys/default/ROTFLMAO.gif)
Brian
Nope. I need amusement and one post ain't gonna do it. And I want it separate because we deserves it.
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I just got home, 1 o'clock est., I didn't sleep the whole trip, except last night, on a rest stop floor, for about a half hour. About a quarter way down the Penn. Turnpike, heading east, I guess, I dozed off. When I looked up, I was about to sideswipe the wall. I don't know how I didn't go down, but held it up, sideswiped the cement median.
The left mirror got a little scratched and the saddel bad has a nice war scare on it now. Anyway I'm ready to go again.
Back to the bike, I shut it down at home and it's dead in the water, glad I let it run the past two days. Will look into the connections, when I feel mentally repaired.
What I meant by contact is, the panel lit up as normal, by pressing the key down, lighting up and hearing the click. The bike fired up without a problem, before that, pressing the key down, or using the fob method, got no response at all, like the battery wasn't connected, hopefully, that's what it is.
It sure sounds like a connection problem. I'll get back here as soon as I can think straight. Thanks, for all the responses guys. By the way, it was the trip of a lifetime, I'm ready to go again.
Quite an adventure. Glad you are ok and home. Good luck getting it fixed.
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Come on!
If its funny and involves my bike, please do tell!
The guys didn't say a word except...
"Hey Ugly!" when I walked in to pick up the bike......
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If could measure the new spring, I can find a copy of it.
Would need to know:
Free Length
Wire Diam
Spring OD
Number of Coils
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Sorry, can't help with that info, its installed in the bike...
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Quite an adventure. Glad you are ok and home. Good luck getting it fixed.
Well today as I was walking past Karli, I figured I'd goose her. I depressed the key like normal a few times, and no sign of life. So for whatever reason, I started pumping the key up and down, a little faster than you'd prime a carb. All of the sudden, the magic click, it lit up. After running it a little, shut her down & after the same procedure, same thing. I'm feeling better all ready.
I be calling the dealer soon and see what it will take to make the repair as painless as possible.
Here's pic of the war wound the bag has.
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d167/houndawgg/IMG_0616.jpg)
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Same exact symptoms as my bike. The dealer repaired her but I have to press the stove knob twice to get her to fire up. She just won't light up on the first press.....
I know this is going to sound like heresy but I am thinking my next bike will be K-Passless.....
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I know this is going to sound like heresy but I am thinking my next bike will be K-Passless.....
Heresy :yikes:
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After I posted my heretical remark, I went into the garage and pushed the button and sure enough...WALLA....she lit up like a Christmas tree....
I apologized to her genuflected and said a Hail Mary.....
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Don't be too quick to be nice. Maybe she likes it rough. ;)
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Don't be too quick to be nice. Maybe she likes it rough. ;)
Mine really likes it when I grab her by the hair.....oh, wait a minute....wrong forum. My bad. :o
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Glad you got the problem figured out and more importantly made it home safely. I have fallen asleep on the interstate before and it a terrifying feeling to "snap to" while rolling 80 mph on two wheels.
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Glad you got the problem figured out and more importantly made it home safely. I have fallen asleep on the interstate before and it a terrifying feeling to "snap to" while rolling 80 mph on two wheels.
That is a problem I've had when I hook my feet on the back pegs & lay on the tank. While comfy & great as a change of posture for the back on a long interstate haul it can get a little too comfy... Long blinks are scary. :yikes: I find it best that I just pull off & rest when it gets to this point. My fellow riders may not like it but it's my life not theirs. I'd rather be a alive & wimpy then a proud dead man. Just sayin....
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I've spoken to and arraigned to have the Kipass repair done under warranty. Since my last post, I've fooled around tapping the ignition box and as of this moment, it is functioning like normal.
When I was in Sturgis, I was tapping on the ignition box in the top center, with no results. Since I've gotten home, I have tried different area's to tap.
With the steering turned to the left, it offers a little more room to bang against the ignition box. Also, it seems, that tapping on the left side of the box, worked best, to get Kipass to connect. Yesterday, it seemed to be back to normal, but naturally, I'm still gonna get the stronger spring installed.
I hope this post will help someone, if they find themselves, 1800 miles from home, like I did.
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harley trash? Whats with this attitude sport riders seem to have towards guys who ride harley's? I have a few bikes and one of them is a harley. i know plenty of trailer trash that ride sport bikes and i know quite a few respectable doctors and lawyers that ride harleys. stereotypes seem to be alive and well in society.
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harley trash? Whats with this attitude sport riders seem to have towards guys who ride harley's? I have a few bikes and one of them is a harley. i know plenty of trailer trash that ride sport bikes and i know quite a few respectable doctors and lawyers that ride harleys. stereotypes seem to be alive and well in society.
You did not quote the post so I don't know what the context is but he may be referring to outlaw motorcycle clubs or "one percenters" which ride almost exclusively Harley Davidsons and have been prominent at Sturgis. The current issue of Motorcyclist has a story about two of the editors' visit to Sturgis which may also answer your question.
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Oh this is embarrassing...it was you. :rotflmao:
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Oh this is embarrassing...it was you. :rotflmao:
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What can I say? I'm killing me!
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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We know :rotflmao:
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Now that is dang funny!
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Three of us rode to Sturgis this year from NC. 4200 miles in ten days and the only anal warts we ran into during the whole trip were on goldwings. My 08 was flawless! Great trip!
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Three of us rode to Sturgis this year from NC. 4200 miles in ten days and the only anal warts we ran into during the whole trip were on goldwings. My 08 was flawless! Great trip!
Oh, come on... are you sure... You meet the nicest people on Honda's. :rotflmao:
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Oh, come on... are you sure... You meet the nicest people on Honda's. :rotflmao:
Absolutely sure! Our group and several other riders were waiting for a truck and trailer to back out from some gas pumps in Newcastle, WY. The goldwings went around all of us, cut the truck and trailer off, and pulled up to the pumps. Thought there was going to be a brawl right there but calmer heads prevailed. I have found that ignorance and stupidity are not limited to one brand of motorcycle
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I am seriously considering a Goldwing as a second bike. I want to be first in line at the pump. Not for that reason of course.
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what i did in iffy situations before my spring was replaced was leave the key to the right, this way it can come out and i can flick the switch with a spray can straw or something. never was too concerned about the key being able to come out cause its such a goofy design no one knows wtf it is.
just a thought if the switch sticks or gets iffy on a trip. most of my ride days are 450+ miles with several gas stops in the twisties. just don't have 100% faith in it.
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what i did in iffy situations before my spring was replaced was leave the key to the right, this way it can come out and i can flick the switch with a spray can straw or something. never was too concerned about the key being able to come out cause its such a goofy design no one knows wtf it is.
just a thought if the switch sticks or gets iffy on a trip. most of my ride days are 450+ miles with several gas stops in the twisties. just don't have 100% faith in it.
I've been doing the same thing, but once it awhile I'll turn it off to the left. I'm still waiting to hear from the dealer. They have the replacement spring, but were waiting for the headlight knob upgrade. I'm bringing it to a dealer in RI, I don't have any faith in the NJ dealers. There's a beautiful shop five miles from me, but what a bunch of goons they hire.
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I've been doing the same thing, but once it awhile I'll turn it off to the left. I'm still waiting to hear from the dealer. They have the replacement spring, but were waiting for the headlight knob upgrade. I'm bringing it to a dealer in RI, I don't have any faith in the NJ dealers. There's a beautiful shop five miles from me, but what a bunch of goons they hire.
Well, this caper has finally come to a great end. I brought Karli, up to Razee Motorcycle Center in North Kingston, RI. Forum member "BDF" had mentioned them to me when I first contacted him shortly after I limped back from out west.
I am still in awe, at Razee's handling of my ignition problem. This was the first time I'd ever placed a foot in the door, and they made me feel like I'd been a customer ever since I've been riding, which I believe is about how long they've been a dealer, somewhere in the late 60's. All of the Razee folks, that I met while I was there, had impressive backgrounds.
Pete, in warranty, took care of contacting Mama Kawa and getting the parts needed and an appointment at Razee. Pete, even straightened out, getting me the redesigned headlight knobs, which had been reported being done already.
I also got to meet Brain, BDF :) and enjoyed shooting the poop with him, while the repairs were being done.
You can bet, when I'm in the market for a new machine or in need of repairs, I'll be contacting Razee. They handle all the brands that are worth selling.
Here's Pete
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It was good to meet you also.
Glad to hear it worked out OK in the end. Too bad it is such a long way for you to travel though. I guess I am just spoiled by having them as a local dealer, especially after hearing some of the 'horror stories' posted here.
Brian
Well, this caper has finally come to a great end. I brought Karli, up to Razee Motorcycle Center in North Kingston, RI. Forum member "BDF" had mentioned them to me when I first contacted him shortly after I limped back from out west.
I am still in awe, at Razee's handling of my ignition problem. This was the first time I'd ever placed a foot in the door, and they made me feel like I'd been a customer ever since I've been riding, which I believe is about how long they've been a dealer, somewhere in the late 60's. All of the Razee folks, that I met while I was there, had impressive backgrounds.
Pete, in warranty, took care of contacting Mama Kawa and getting the parts needed and an appointment at Razee. Pete, even straightened out, getting me the redesigned headlight knobs, which had been reported being done already.
I also got to meet Brain, BDF :) and enjoyed shooting the poop with him, while the repairs were being done.
You can bet, when I'm in the market for a new machine or in need of repairs, I'll be contacting Razee. They handle all the brands that are worth selling.
Here's Pete
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That is awesome, it sure is good to know that there are still some dependable dealers with great customer service. Kudos to BDF for pointing you their direction :thumbs:
Glad you got it all fixed up.
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We really need a thread on dealerships to patronize...what do you guys think?
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We really need a thread on dealerships to patronize...what do you guys think?
It would be worth, it's weight in gold. When I was stranded in Sturgis, I would have paid handsomely, for being pointed to a trustworthy dealer, in that area.
There's somewhat of that type thread on a Harley forum and some of the horror stories on it are amazing
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It was good to meet you also.
Glad to hear it worked out OK in the end. Too bad it is such a long way for you to travel though. I guess I am just spoiled by having them as a local dealer, especially after hearing some of the 'horror stories' posted here.
Brian
It took me a little over four hours to get there, but I didn't come the traditional I95, which can be a nightmare. My concern was not having, the type "help", I've observed at local dealerships, working on my bike.
I satisfied that fear, meeting the folks at Razee.
Having mechanical problems, are bad enough. To have them 1800 miles from home was not a pleasant occurrence, so knowing it was in experienced hands, relieves me of that fear.
Thanks again, for hooking me up. :)
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We really need a thread on dealerships to patronize...what do you guys think?
I think it might be a really long and confusing thread unless it was summarized somehow in another locked thread...
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It would not be in the normal C14 threads but in the Wiki for the C14 under General. And you are right about getting overly wordy. I don't think I would lock it but instead have the first post the summary and then the rest of it would be open to submissions. Also, members with less than 25 posts would not be eligible to submit unless another long time member corroborates the submission. I don't want dealers sneaking in here. What do ya'll think?
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It would not be in the normal C14 threads but in the Wiki for the C14 under General. And you are right about getting overly wordy. I don't think I would lock it but instead have the first post the summary and then the rest of it would be open to submissions. Also, members with less than 25 posts would not be eligible to submit unless another long time member corroborates the submission. I don't want dealers sneaking in here. What do ya'll think?
I think that it's a good idea.
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It's done. Let the nominations begin.
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=4936.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=4936.0)
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The by-pass is a great temporary work- around and will work every single time for a stuck activation switch but is tough to do on the side of the road. It takes a little fairing removal, some wire splicing (ideally soldering) and then covering the soldered joints (again, ideally with shrink tubing). It is not really meant to be an emergency procedure. Then again, if you are stuck, I guess there is plenty of time to do whatever it takes to get going again. As you mentioned, you could just cut the wire and twist it together although there is not much wire length to work with there and it is about impossible to reach without taking at least the black fairing cover off.
Just to pass along a better understanding, this by- pass does not address the activation switch directly; those wires do not leave the ignition switch housing so they are not available to be cut, tapped into or anything else. The wire being cut is actually a CANBUS ground for the activation switch but it absolutely will do what is needed to get the activation switch and, especially, the entire bike up and running again.
Just out of curiosity, I wonder if the original poster can provide some info. about the bike that is stuck- what year, how many miles approximately, etc.
Brian
Hi Brian,
Could you help specify which wire color to be cut & twist to re-vive the ignition ??
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You may want to look at this as well....
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6976.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6976.0)
And, I see you did..
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Thanks Jim.
I m thinking of splicing the wire but dont know which wire to cut :). This morning i tried the green one but seems it s not the right one.
Hope somebody can point me to the right one
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Well, for goodness sake, please hold off on cutting wires until you hear from someone who actually knows the wire in question....!
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I just saw this message.... Yep, the green one will do. If that does not activate the LCD screen then you have something else wrong with the bike.
Have you tried the 'dead fob battery' procedure?
Brian
Thanks Jim.
I m thinking of splicing the wire but dont know which wire to cut :). This morning i tried the green one but seems it s not the right one.
Hope somebody can point me to the right one
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Nah, cutting wires is OK Jim, splicing them in a new and exciting order is what can be bad....
Brian
Well, for goodness sake, please hold off on cutting wires until you hear from someone who actually knows the wire in question....!
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My FOB/KIPASS is still running fine, thank Goodness.
However, fearing the problem, i don't want to stuck somewhere on the road so i m thinking if preparing the bypass. The problem is when i un-plugged that grey connector, nothing happened, plugged the grey connector back in, nothing happened (LCD stayed off), KIPASS working fine with FOB in my pocket. Cut the green wire, KIPASS doesn't work, short-connected the green wire, nothing happened (LCD stayed off), KIPASS working fine.
I think i would try cutting the white/black wire later.
Any advise is very welcome
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How is your paranoia these days? I really wouldn't worry about it and cutting wires willy nilly on this bike is not a good idea. If you are worried about it that much then buy the harness from Brian. Stop worrying and ride.
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Cut the blue wire. NO THE RED WIRE....oh shi ;)
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Cut the blue wire. NO THE RED WIRE....oh shi ;)
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How is your paranoia these days? I really wouldn't worry about it and cutting wires willy nilly on this bike is not a good idea. If you are worried about it that much then buy the harness from Brian. Stop worrying and ride.
This is a far cry from the days of Fred H. posting pictures and writing a detailed technical analysis -- I wonder where he went to? (tongue in cheek....)
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I bet Kurt could help... :-X
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I bet Kurt could help... :-X
Now now J, be nice.
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Now now J, be nice.
;D