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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: ZG on April 14, 2012, 10:04:12 PM
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Can anyone tell me why the top of the "euro tour" is different than all the other cuts?? Anyone know what the purpose of that cut is? Are the higher sides vs middle supposed to reduce beffeting or pressure or just for looks or ?? ???
I chewed about 6 hours of hwy slab today ( :'( ) and for that type of ride another couple inches would have been nice, I currently have the mini euro and always love it (I don't typically chew that much hwy), but for chewing straight hwy I'm thinking of also picking up another one a couple inches taller, I'm debating between the "mini domed sport", "euro tour", & "ultra tour" but am noticing the different top cut on the euro tour compared to the others and courios why it's different...
Any feedback appreciated...
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/wiejwqiue.jpg)
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It's to rest your nose on.
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It's to rest your nose on.
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My shield is the Euro Tour, I don't like looking through a shield and the top cut is just right, I left the upper part unpainted for when it's down and I'm in that stop and go crap. Not that it matters to black bikes, but it is good for 135ish mid way up ;D
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I have a tall torso and short legs for my height (6'). I also have 3" of rise and about 2" of pull back on the bars. I like to sit mostly straight up. I have the ultra tour domed and I love it. At the first auto height setting it is perfect for me. I can still see over the top and zero buffeting on me. When it start raining or a lot of wind I can put it higher and keep mostly dry behind it. The big issue is when you want to open her up, then I put it all the way down and I still worry about the strength of the mechanism when in triple digits. I have had the CB windshield to 130 with no ill effects but I wonder if I was just lucky.
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And BTW, at the top there is a slight lip. The last inch and a half of the shield is curved forward slightly. I believe this helps with buffeting and may account for the different shapes.
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Jay, you might want to ask the CB people. I don't see why they wouldn't let you know.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the "euro cut" is different because if it wasn't different, it wouldn't be "euro cut", it'd be "domed". ;) I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.....
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So the Europeans like a little swag in their cut? Is that what yer sayin but not?
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I'm debating between the "mini domed sport", "euro tour", & "ultra tour" but am noticing the different top cut on the euro tour compared to the others and courios why it's different...
Wow, the shape guide is a bit misleading. On the guide, the euro looks like it is concave. If you look at the photos on a bike
(http://www.ceebaileys.com/kawasaki/images/kawaconc14_2010ws.jpg)
you realize it is more of a straight cut.
It is unfortunate they don't include/show the STOCK windshield in the lineup! (I just Emailed them that suggestion, along with pointing out the grammar errors). I suspect the domed version is a compromise to get some additional helmet-only coverage without adding more pressure everywhere to the shield.
I sit pretty tall, even though I am not a tall person. My main problem with the stock 2nd gen windshield is that if I run it all the way to the top, it creates a huge pressure on my back. It almost "glues" my jacket to my back, which I find rather uncomfortable. So at highway speeds I find I have to lower the shield about 1.5". But when I do that, it doesn't fully protect my face shield. So I can't "win". Anyone else notice that? I wonder if their shields address those issues.
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Wow, that picture is really misleading. It almost looks like the same windscreen in each of the photos. Notice the one on the left is raised an inch or two.
The chart above and the picture are definitively telling different stories.
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I have a Euro Cut as well as a stock 08 and 10 shields. The euro cut is somewhat flatter across the top and wider than the others. Being 5'10" once the (stock c bailey height) euro shield is over halfway up, I'm looking through it. the 4 inch wider part of the design blocks a lot of the air from keeping a person cool. It reminds me of riding behind one of the old windjammer fairings from the 80's. I also pick up a slight weave at high (130 plus) speeds.
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I want to mention, I've ridden both the ultra tour vs. the cal sci large back to back and think the cal sci is way superior in terms of a cleaner air flow. The CeeBaily is definitely better than stock, no doubt about it. But not as good as teh Cal Sci, IMO.
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The problem with any of these shields is that if you change the way you sit (add an aftermarket seat) or change your posture (risers or change in bars) it affects how you sit in the airflow around the shield. My CB Euro was great until I got my Russell which raised me up (I'm 5'10). It's still good but not the quiet I used to have.
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The problem with any of these shields is that if you change the way you sit (add an aftermarket seat) or change your posture (risers or change in bars) it affects how you sit in the airflow around the shield. My CB Euro was great until I got my Russell which raised me up (I'm 5'10). It's still good but not the quiet I used to have.
Yeah, unfortunately, to make any real comparisons to other peoples' experiences, you need to know sitting height, seat height, arm length, and handlebar position. None of those metrics are easy to obtain. People just say their standing height, which is mostly meaningless. :(
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True. You would really have to switch shields to really know. That might be an idea, have a get together to swap out shields....I'm talking the VA boys. Maybe have a cookout at my house. Well, the MD people could come as well. I'm pretty close to them.
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I'd be up for that. I'm in Fredericksburg.
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I'd be up for that. I'm in Fredericksburg.
Man, there are a lot of Virginians in this forum. We need to find someone in the center, Richmond, and have a "Concours Day" there...
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The CeeBaily is definitely better than stock, no doubt about it. But not as good as teh Cal Sci, IMO.
I bought both a CB and CS at the same time a half dozen months ago, the CB IMO is a much better shield in terms of quality (again IMO), the CS thickness is about half that of a CB... I ended up selling the CS, so not looking to go that direction NC99...
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Man, there are a lot of Virginians in this forum. We need to find someone in the center, Richmond, and have a "Concours Day" there...
:offtopic: and it's my fault, however that may not be a bad idea...maybe a hair north of Richmond in Ashland. There's a Cracker Barrel there. We could swap shields and then go for a ride somewhere. PM me if anyone is interested and I'll start a thread in the rides area.
Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion.
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cal science is great and is plenty thick. i routinely hit 150 AND HAVE NO ISSUES no flex no shake with the cal sci large . Why would you need it thicker if it does the job perfectly the way it is? you looking to add weight to the front end ? then yes thicker would be better. im 6ft 195 lbs with 32 inseam and cal sci large is perfect for me .
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I like the looks and quality of the CB better than the CS. Both are decent windshields thought.
FYIY, I have a Utra Tour Domed CB on my bike. 90% of the time, I leave it all the way down so that air flows into the top of my helmet. On rainy days, I raise it up slightly so that the rain clears my helmet completely. Never do I raise it up all the way up as it completely block airflow. I'm 5'11" and ride with a modified/stock seat.
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ZG what about difference in buffeting for you and passenger?
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I like the looks and quality of the CB better than the CS. Both are decent windshields thought.
Agreed. The lines of the CB follow the lines on the front of the Connie better IMO than the CS.
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ZG what about difference in buffeting for you and passenger?
Is this question for me KT?? ???
I don't have this shield that I'm inquiring on, so I wouldn't know in regards to buffeting... Or are you saying that the unique top cut "will" reduce buffeting more than the domed cut?? :-\
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sorry "ZG" I didnt realize you wouldnt know i was talking to you. You had stated you tried both the CB and the CS and i knew you rode with a passenger. I was curious to know your observations between the two in buffeting as this is something the wife and I are trying to solve when we have to ride the slab. I apologize for getting off topic, I promise i wasnt trying to be a d_ck.
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sorry "ZG" I didnt realize you wouldnt know i was talking to you. You had stated you tried both the CB and the CS and i knew you rode with a passenger. I was curious to know your observations between the two in buffeting as this is something the wife and I are trying to solve when we have to ride the slab. I apologize for getting off topic, I promise i wasnt trying to be a d_ck.
No worries bro, all good! :chugbeer:
No buffeting issues for me or mama with the current CB euro mini shield.
I'm just looking to also pick up an even taller shield for grinding long hwy slab in the future like the ride I had to do this weekend, taking more if not all the wind off my helmet is the goal for hwy chewing... :)
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I had a tallish passenger when I was trying out the Ultra Tour and she hated it. I'm tall too, and tall n the saddle, and found the buffeting annoying on the CB. The Cal Sci calmed it down almost completely.
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With my wife and I tooling down the highway with the CB Ultra Dome up 1/2 way up my gas mileage drops from 42 to 38mpg. Still worth the quiet and smoothness it provides.
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Well I pulled the trigger on a dark tint CB Euro Tour today, I'll let you know my thoughts on it when it arrives... :-\
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Well I pulled the trigger on a dark tint
No???!!! Really? A dark (AKA "black") accessory????? OMG!
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Well I pulled the trigger on a dark tint CB Euro Tour today, I'll let you know my thoughts on it when it arrives... :-\
When it arrives is right two weeks and counting.
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No???!!! Really? A dark (AKA "black") accessory? ??? ? OMG!
:rotflmao: :thumbs: 8)
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When it arrives is right two weeks and counting.
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2 weeks and you still don't have yours??
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When it arrives is right two weeks and counting.
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2 weeks and you still don't have yours??
So I got a call from my shop today, CB told them 3 week lead time... :o (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/wtf.gif)
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Probably because everyone is purchasing gear for the upcoming ridding season. You know, from July 31st until August 3rd...
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So I got a call from my shop today, CB told them 3 week lead time... :o (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/wtf.gif)
Oh good, I'm over half way there.
The funny part will be UPS delivers new windshield while I'm boxing up seat pan to ship.
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Probably because everyone is purchasing gear for the upcoming ridding season. You know, from July 31st until August 3rd...
:rotflmao:
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Not that it matters to black bikes, but it is good for 135ish mid way up ;D
Well, two pages later....I'll say it, (since the rest are ignoring you SoP) that was a good one. :thumbs: :rotflmao:
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No???!!! Really? A dark (AKA "black") accessory????? OMG!
Yeah, just when I thought he was going to get a yellow shield and name his bike "Rainbow Warrior"...
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Yeah, just when I thought he was going to get a yellow shield and name his bike "Rainbow Warrior"...
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A word of warning about CeeBaileys-
I bought a tall windshield for a previous bike I had. When I took it on the highway, the shield flopped around like a leaf on a tree branch in the wind. I drove about 1 mile with it on my bike.
I immediately took it off and sent it back with an explanation.
It sucked; but their cure was to charge me a 15% restocking charge because “I had put it on my bike and they could see there was a screw head mark around the holes”. Well no sh@#, how else was I going to find out it sucked?
Buyer beware…. >:(
Frank
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My Cee Baileys for both the c-10 and c-14 were solid at all speeds and much thicker than any other shields I've seen.
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Never had a problem with my CB Euro.
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A word of warning about CeeBaileys-
I bought a tall windshield for a previous bike I had. When I took it on the highway, the shield flopped around like a leaf on a tree branch in the wind. I drove about 1 mile with it on my bike.
I immediately took it off and sent it back with an explanation.
It sucked; but their cure was to charge me a 15% restocking charge because “I had put it on my bike and they could see there was a screw head mark around the holes”. Well no sh@#, how else was I going to find out it sucked?
Buyer beware…. >:(
Frank
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That's odd Frank, I currently have a CB mounted and all the way up it's solid as a rock...
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I noticed that my CB will move a bit in heavy wind gusts, but it has nothing to do with the windshield and everything to do with the motorized bracket. It does the same thing with the stock shield just that it's less noticeable because of the thickness.
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Let me clarify---
I had bought a new BMW F 800 ST in the spring of 2010. I then ordered the CB high windshield for it.
The bike was a new addition to the BMW line up. CB offered a tall windshield and it performed like I said earlier.
My issue with CB is they launched a windshield (in various sizes) for a new production bike but (in my opinion) never properly tested the tallest they offered. Thus, when I returned it I would rather of had a "thanks for letting us know" than a 15% restocking charge.
Yes; the shield was much narrower than what we have on our C-10's.
My issue was the poo poo attitude I got from CB.
I won't buy from them again, but that's my choice. I am super happy that you all are happy with yours.
With that said; anyone want a beer?
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Did somebody say beer?
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Happy Friday, my new Cee Baileys Euro Tour cut arrived today, 3 inch's taller than my Cee Baileys Euro Mini. I'm gonna run it for awhile and then I'll provide some feedback on it...
Here's some pics in the meantime.
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/IMG01129-20120511-1536.jpg)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/IMG01130-20120511-1536.jpg)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/IMG01131-20120511-1537.jpg)
And holy macroll this thing is tall when raised up, I could have a camp fire behind this thing and not get any wind I think... (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/camp-fire-smiley.gif)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/IMG01133-20120511-1537.jpg)
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Looks great!!
Picked mine up from UPS hub the morning I was leaving for Dallas.
What a difference :thumbs:, made the 1600+ miles so much more enjoyable.
Position about 1-1/2 inch below full up, just right to push the wind over my
helmet an lets me ride in some quiet, little side buffeting occasionally.
Can hear the SENA music, talk on the headset with my shield in the up position at 70 mph.
And best of all no ear plugs needed, winner.
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And holy macroll this thing is tall when raised up, I could have a camp fire behind this thing and not get any wind I think... (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/camp-fire-smiley.gif)
Yup, you can smoke a cigar and blow smoke rings behind it ;D
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Ok, here's my review on the CB "tour" after running it for a week...
This shield is typical CeeBaileys top notch quality IMO! :thumbs: :thumbs:
It provides excellent wind protection if that's what you want!
Although I think I'm maybe a bit more "sport" than "touring" and actually found that it gave a little too much wind protection IMO... :-\
I think this will be awesome for chewing slab and in the winter, but right now it's just awesome weather here in the PNW and will only get better for the next 3 or 4 months...
So I just now pulled it back off and put my CeeBaileys Euro Mini back on... 8)
I'm gonna hold on to the Euro for any upcoming long slab rides and slap it on for those, but for commuting and hitting the fun roads I'd rather have my shorter CB sheild on at least in the warmer months of the year. :)
I think the euro will most likley be in the same rotation as my ProjektD hand wind gaurds, on in the winter and off in the summer... ;D
Hopefully this was useful insight to any of you out there debating on shields for summer/winter/slabbing/commuting... :chugbeer:
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ZG ....
I always find your bike a pleasure to see. You've done a very nice job in adding various mods to your C14. I've tacked a couple from yours to mine.
I have a CB tall tour as well. I like it as I run modular helmets that seem a bit "loud". Altho, I did get a Nolan 104 recently and it's not only much quieter than the 102/103 ... but, it's very light.
Anyway, I like the look of the dark tinted CB windscreen you have. Think I'll get me one as well. Yeah, I know these are warmer in warm weather, but I have some 'Wings' installed that help a lot. Altho, I don't care for the 'look' of them. I guess I'm more into function than into looks.
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ZG ....
I always find your bike a pleasure to see. You've done a very nice job in adding various mods to your C14. I've tacked a couple from yours to mine.
Thanks BG, you can't go wrong with any of the Cee Baileys shields IMO, they're awesome quality! :chugbeer:
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I just ordered the Ultra Tour clear. After emailing CB's folks they agreed with my height at 6', for what I want it to do (block ALL the wind buffeting on my helmet) that'd be the one. I guess we'll see! :)
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Hey, ZG ...
Went for a longish ride today with the CB Euro Tour Dome cut dealie. I have a couple risers on the bike, plus Phil's wedges (set up another bike like mine today for a friend). So, I sit up sorta 'Wing Like'. I have the Euro Cut Tour as well, like yours, ZG.
I have zero buffeting mostly ... even with my new Nolan 104 with the Dome. But, it was quite warm today, even by the coast. I ride with gear/helmet/gloves/boots/leather-Aeorstich pants, yada, yada. It was warm behind that Dome.
I'm going to get a dark tint CB shield, too. Just not sure which one. I'm gonna fool with the stocker and the Euro Cut to see if they give me some more air. Guess I could always cut a hole, or 2 in the dang thang, too, eh.
Mini Tour is an interesting size. I may look into that in dark tint.
Thanx, ZG for the review. Always a pleasure reading your posts.
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Hey, ZG ...
Went for a longish ride today with the CB Euro Tour Dome cut dealie. I have a couple risers on the bike, plus Phil's wedges (set up another bike like mine today for a friend). So, I sit up sorta 'Wing Like'. I have the Euro Cut Tour as well, like yours, ZG.
I have zero buffeting mostly ... even with my new Nolan 104 with the Dome. But, it was quite warm today, even by the coast. I ride with gear/helmet/gloves/boots/leather-Aeorstich pants, yada, yada. It was warm behind that Dome.
I'm going to get a dark tint CB shield, too. Just not sure which one. I'm gonna fool with the stocker and the Euro Cut to see if they give me some more air. Guess I could always cut a hole, or 2 in the dang thang, too, eh.
Mini Tour is an interesting size. I may look into that in dark tint.
Thanx, ZG for the review. Always a pleasure reading your posts.
Thanks BG, anytime bro! I really like the Cee Baileys Euro mini in dark tint, it's a great warmer weather shield and looks very good IMO! 8)
The only reason I bought the Cee Baileys Euro tour in dark tint was because I slabbed it up to Seattle a couple weeks back and for just straight slabbing I was wishing I had a couple more inches for wind protection, the Cee Baileys Euro tour provides exactly that, so next time I go do a long slab ride I'll put it back on for that, the 1 minute swap out makes having both options ideal IMO... :chugbeer:
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I ran over to the Dalles this weekend and I love this CB Ultra Tour Dome. It makes slabbin almost bearable.
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/falls.jpg)
I love this bike I can take my camp gear and a case and 1/2 of beer. I got rained on on the way home and the windscreen kept the iRadar & iPhone dry.
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/beer.jpg)
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(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/beer.jpg)
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Busch Light???
Are you betweeen checks Gumbi?? (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/facepalm.gif) (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/vomit.gif) ;D ;D ;D
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Busch Light???
What did you say you were drinkin these days? Bud 85 or somethin :doublepuke:
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What did you say you were drinkin these days? Bud 85 or somethin :doublepuke:
Touche... :( :-[ :'(
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It looks like the Euro Tour has a domed top in the pictures you are sharing. The cee baileys website shows a domed top but the schematics show the top as a concave shape.
I have a 2009.
I guess I can order the Euro Tour with confidence that the top will be domed? I guess I could call them to make certain.
Also the pictures comparing the Euro Tour and the Ultra Tour Dome seem to show the Euro Tour being bigger. The schematics show that not to be the case.
Confusing this is.
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It looks like the Euro Tour has a domed top in the pictures you are sharing. The cee baileys website shows a domed top but the schematics show the top as a concave shape.
I have a 2009.
I guess I can order the Euro Tour with confidence that the top will be domed? I guess I could call them to make certain.
Also the pictures comparing the Euro Tour and the Ultra Tour Dome seem to show the Euro Tour being bigger. The schematics show that not to be the case.
Confusing this is.
http://www.ceebaileys.com/kawasaki/images/conny14_sizes.jpg (http://www.ceebaileys.com/kawasaki/images/conny14_sizes.jpg)