LED Conversion for Concours

[rocknrod]

On the Socalmoto web site it says they use T10 40W Cree LEDS.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2055119.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XT10+40W+Cree+LED&_nkw=T10+40W+Cree+LED&_sacat=0
What do you think about those? There are two 40W bulb sets on that page.

[maxtog]

On the Socalmoto web site it says they use T10 40W Cree LEDS.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2055119.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XT10+40W+Cree+LED&_nkw=T10+40W+Cree+LED&_sacat=0
What do you think about those? There are two 40W bulb sets on that page.

I believe T10 is the same as the 194 package.

40 watts?  Yes, I see what you are saying, but I find that IMPOSSIBLE to believe.  There is no way something that small could dissipate 40 watts of heat.  It would melt and before that, burn out all the LEDs (LEDs hate heat).  This is exactly what I was talking about with misleading (lying) specs on so many listings.  Zoom into this one and read their supposed specs:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Big-Sales-2x40W-Amber-T10-194-168-921-2825-W5W-8-chips-CREE-LED-Bright-Car-Light-/261252699796?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cd3dfd694&vxp=mtr

 LED Style: 40W High Power CREE.
 Power consumption: 2-3W
 Led Chip: 5W*8pcs =40W

So it consumes 2 to 3 watts, but has 8x5 watt LEDs on it?  Um, yeah, right.  Besides being impossible, 40 watts of LED light would be so bright it would be blinding.  It would be the equivalent of something like 360 watts of incandescent light!  Probably not using CREE LED chips either, it is just easy for people to slap that onto every listing now.

It is probably a 2 watt bulb.  Now, would that be brighter than the incandescent bulb?  Maybe.  It depends on the quality of the LED chips used.

[rocknrod]

Ya, Ive never had a LED bulb that was as bright as a Incandescent either. Maybe they (manufacturers) are indeed embellishing.

[B.D.F.]

I'm with Max here- that is not possible.

1) No circuit could handle the current required to deliver 40 watts to a 194 bulb package. The fuse would pop.
2) The housing could not handle the heat; it would melt at best, catch fire at worst.

They may be bright, and they may well be brighter than an incandescent 194 but 40 watts? Not even in salesman power. :-)

Brian

I believe T10 is the same as the 194 package.

40 watts?  Yes, I see what you are saying, but I find that IMPOSSIBLE to believe.  There is no way something that small could dissipate 40 watts of heat.  It would melt and before that, burn out all the LEDs (LEDs hate heat).  This is exactly what I was talking about with misleading (lying) specs on so many listings.  Zoom into this one and read their supposed specs:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Big-Sales-2x40W-Amber-T10-194-168-921-2825-W5W-8-chips-CREE-LED-Bright-Car-Light-/261252699796?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cd3dfd694&vxp=mtr

 LED Style: 40W High Power CREE.
 Power consumption: 2-3W
 Led Chip: 5W*8pcs =40W

So it consumes 2 to 3 watts, but has 8x5 watt LEDs on it?  Um, yeah, right.  Besides being impossible, 40 watts of LED light would be so bright it would be blinding.  It would be the equivalent of something like 360 watts of incandescent light!  Probably not using CREE LED chips either, it is just easy for people to slap that onto every listing now.

It is probably a 2 watt bulb.  Now, would that be brighter than the incandescent bulb?  Maybe.  It depends on the quality of the LED chips used.

[B.D.F.]

Modern LEDs can be very bright indeed- they can reach 1,000 lumens and absolutely damage the human retina. Blindly bright. For any amount of given power, LED's will produce more light than any useful tungsten (halogen) lamp of any kind.

But not 40 watts in a 194 bulb package :-)

Brian

Ya, Ive never had a LED bulb that was as bright as a Incandescent either. Maybe they (manufacturers) are indeed embellishing.

[rocknrod]

Wow check this out, my rear bulbs. Not 1156 or 1157, notice the off-set:

[rocknrod]

Straight across pins but not what I expected.
Found it: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=2012+kawasaki+concours+14+92069-1125&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.X+kawasaki+92069-1125&_nkw=+kawasaki+92069-1125&_sacat=0

kawasaki p/n 92069-1125
http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/52bc4e60f8700204783348ff/turn-signals

Thats why member Dan Forker couldnt find the right pin combo to fit.

[maxtog]

Wow check this out, my rear bulbs. Not 1156 or 1157, notice the off-set:

OK, that is very disturbing.  I was under the assumption the bulb was an 1156 (it would never be an 1157, that is dual filament).  ZILLIONS of vehicles use 1156.  But that side pin offset in your photo appears to be non-standard.  I even removed the stock bulb from my bike and never noticed that before.  I never had a chance to try a replacement bulb in the bike, since none of the ones I were testing were bright enough so I never put them in the bike's socket (I used standard sockets on my bench setup).

Now I wonder if an 1156 would fit or not.  It is possible the socket could take more than one side pin offset configuration.  Has anyone EVER gotten an 1156 to work?  I wonder if you could use an 1156 and just grind down one of the pins?

Why would they do that?  To try and force people to pay 1000% more for a bulb?  I thought Dan's posting was whacked or something!  What is this strange bulb called.... in the non-Kawasaki world?

[rocknrod]

Could be this one:

http://www.donsbulbs.com/cgi-bin/r/b.pl/12v|21w|bau15s|amber.html

Yep there's a bunch of them on ebay.

[The Pope]

^ That looks like it!!!!!

[Dan Forker]

^ That looks like it!!!!!

But it isn't! That is one of the bulbs that I tried. The 30 degree offset on the left pin is incorrect and the bulb cannot be put in place. I gave up when I wasn't convinced that any of the available LED's would produce my intended result of increasing visibility of my rear turn signal anyway, so no reason to spend time on solving the mystery. It appears to be a non-standard bulb. Still looking for a sensible way to increase light output from the rear turn signal other than adding an secondary signal light.

Fork

[VirginiaJim]

I hear that the '15s will have all LED lights.

[maxtog]

I hear that the '15s will have all LED lights.

[rocknrod]

Audi and Volkswagen calls them 7507 Bulbs

[rocknrod]

I think I will buy the BAU15 bulb and see if it fits.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161368499624?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
They also call them PY21W7507
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PY21W-7507-AMBER-CHROME-HALOGEN-BULBS-PAIR-/191215984965?pt=Car_Audio_Video&hash=item2c855c6145&vxp=mtr

[freebird6]

Wow check this out, my rear bulbs. Not 1156 or 1157, notice the off-set:

That is what I remembered when I put my alternate lenses in. Was not sure I remembered that correctly but I distinctly remembered I had bought what I thought was correct and ended up pulling the original bulb and using it in the new lenses.

[Smokeyzx]

I'm really thinking about that HID kit.

Was the wiring truly plug and play (no splicing)?

Did you have to run new power back to the battery?

[Gigantor]

Yes truly plug in play, no need to run power from battery

[Gigantor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkH3xBN4hE8


Instructions for Goldwing, but has good information on installation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmqB8ZDSZC8

[andydude]

2011 Concours with SOCALMOTOGEAR HID system

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkH3xBN4hE8

This is low beam only correct ??