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Offline salnap

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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #60 on: August 06, 2015, 01:16:22 PM »
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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #61 on: August 06, 2015, 08:25:58 PM »
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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #62 on: August 10, 2015, 04:35:44 PM »
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And I'm guessing overflow tubes lead to claims being paid out. We're living in a very litigious society.  The EPA excuse makes a good cover story for manufacturers

The thing of it is, without Overflow tubes, you would still be quite likely to leak gasoline. If the intake valve is closed on the cylinder that's leaking, it will simply leak out the airbox. If the valve is open, it will leak through to the engine oil and may or may not leak out the airbox, depending on the severity of the leak. It's not like the gasoline just sits there cuz you don't have overflow tubes. It will leak on the ground, quickly or eventually. It's that gravity thing.

The tubes just let you know before you hit the starter button that you have a defect, or more likely, a minimum of two defects.

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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #63 on: August 10, 2015, 06:21:12 PM »
But tubes don't fix the issue. Bad petcock/ float needles. Either check petcock periodically, oil level, clean carbs...or just go with manual petcock. Can't be that hard to remember to shut fuel off.
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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #64 on: August 10, 2015, 06:24:13 PM »
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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #65 on: August 10, 2015, 06:27:53 PM »
Quote from: Cholla on August 10, 2015, 06:24:13 PM
:popcorn: :popcorn:
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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #66 on: August 10, 2015, 10:18:10 PM »
Quote from: salnap on August 10, 2015, 06:21:12 PM
But tubes don't fix the issue. Bad petcock/ float needles. Either check petcock periodically, oil level, clean carbs...or just go with manual petcock. Can't be that hard to remember to shut fuel off.

Changing to a manual petcock doesn't fix anything.  It just changes the failure modes.  Manual petcocks can fail too.  Also, as others have said there is also the human error. 

The original post asked how to keep it from hydro-ing.  Well overflow tubes do fix that.  In fact, it is the ONLY fix that works every time.  The OP didn't ask how to fix a leaky petcock or leaky float needles.  It's absurdly obvious that overflow tubes don't fix those.  The plain truth is that nothing is perfect.  Suppose a dirt dauber decides to fill your overflow drain tube with mud.  Anything can fail in some way or another.  So back to what I believe to be the intent of the original post which was the best, most practical method for preventing hydrolocks.  That's overflow tubes.
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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #67 on: August 11, 2015, 03:02:32 AM »
Quote from: jworth on August 10, 2015, 10:18:10 PM
Changing to a manual petcock doesn't fix anything.  It just changes the failure modes.  Manual petcocks can fail too.  Also, as others have said there is also the human error. 

The original post asked how to keep it from hydro-ing.  Well overflow tubes do fix that.  In fact, it is the ONLY fix that works every time.  The OP didn't ask how to fix a leaky petcock or leaky float needles.  It's absurdly obvious that overflow tubes don't fix those.  The plain truth is that nothing is perfect.  Suppose a dirt dauber decides to fill your overflow drain tube with mud.  Anything can fail in some way or another.  So back to what I believe to be the intent of the original post which was the best, most practical method for preventing hydrolocks.  That's overflow tubes.
I would think a manual petcock changes a lot. the petcock is the start of the problem. it leaks. the next step is the float needles failing to seal. manual petcocks are much less apt to fail.
 human error- is it really that hard to remember to turn off the fuel every time you stop?
anything can fail.
I think the best way to prevent hydrolock is to stop the flow of fuel.
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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #68 on: August 11, 2015, 03:45:30 AM »
Do you turn the gas off when you stop to fuel up, when you stop for 5 for a picture and a drink? How much fuel does it take in the combustion chamber to stop compression? I think the point is just as there are several parts to a complete failure there are several parts to prevention.
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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #69 on: August 11, 2015, 03:53:36 AM »
the leaky petcock I experienced was a drip. how many drips to fill a combustion chamber at refuel stop?  easy fix, buy and install new petcock

I agree there are several parts to failure / prevention, but the main thing I keep hearing is overflow tubes. why not just pull the fuel line off the petcock ?
same results. the gas ends up on the floor
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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #70 on: August 11, 2015, 06:22:18 AM »
Quote from: salnap on August 11, 2015, 03:53:36 AM
the leaky petcock I experienced was a drip. how many drips to fill a combustion chamber at refuel stop?  easy fix, buy and install new petcock

I agree there are several parts to failure / prevention, but the main thing I keep hearing is overflow tubes. why not just pull the fuel line off the petcock ?
same results. the gas ends up on the floor

If the petcock fails, you will get fuel on the ground one way or another. It might take longer for it to fill a combustion chamber and start running out the air cleaner box (BAD DEAL), or, if installed, out the overflow tubes. Your choice.   
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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #71 on: August 11, 2015, 06:28:08 AM »
Quote from: salnap on August 11, 2015, 03:53:36 AM
the leaky petcock I experienced was a drip. how many drips to fill a combustion chamber at refuel stop?  easy fix, buy and install new petcock

I agree there are several parts to failure / prevention, but the main thing I keep hearing is overflow tubes. why not just pull the fuel line off the petcock ?
same results. the gas ends up on the floor

Brilliant!
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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #72 on: August 11, 2015, 06:52:40 AM »
Quote from: gPink on August 11, 2015, 06:28:08 AM
Brilliant!
maybe we can add this to the list of " fixes "

A lot easier and cheaper.
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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #73 on: August 11, 2015, 08:49:25 AM »
Quote from: salnap on August 11, 2015, 06:52:40 AM
maybe we can add this to the list of " fixes "

A lot easier and cheaper.

Here you go.  http://www.amazon.com/Motion-Pro-Quick-Disconnect-Couplings/dp/B000N5TI3W
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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #74 on: August 11, 2015, 08:52:21 AM »
From the site:
Capable of withstanding temperatures of -40 deg. F to 180 deg. F
I don't think I'd trust the 180 degree part.
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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #75 on: August 11, 2015, 10:23:06 AM »
Quote from: salnap on August 11, 2015, 03:53:36 AM
the leaky petcock I experienced was a drip. how many drips to fill a combustion chamber at refuel stop?  easy fix, buy and install new petcock

I agree there are several parts to failure / prevention, but the main thing I keep hearing is overflow tubes. why not just pull the fuel line off the petcock ?
same results. the gas ends up on the floor

I believe that qualifies for inexpensive...I mean cheap...uh, frugal. Yeah, that's it.
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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #76 on: August 11, 2015, 11:47:37 AM »
I'm not really cheap, but if I have to spill fuel on the ground, why pay extra to do it?? :banana
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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #77 on: August 11, 2015, 01:46:59 PM »
You and I are on the same page. I suggested installing an inline shutoff valve that
cost all of $5.
I never heard the end of that.
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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #78 on: August 11, 2015, 02:32:48 PM »
and let me guess..it didn't restrict the flow, didn't turn into a pumpkin at the stroke of midnight...

post up a pic of your set up if you can
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Re: How do I keep it from Hydro-ing again?
« Reply #79 on: August 11, 2015, 03:02:24 PM »
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