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Title: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: ZG on September 10, 2012, 05:40:52 PM
So I'm currently running heated Corbin front & rear, radar detector, gps, and heated grips.
 
I'm looking to get some Gerbings heated gear for this winter.
 
What is the best box (sorry if that's not what it's called)?? I think I've seen this one from Fuzeblock posted on here, is this the best option? If not what is? Please provide links too, thanks.
 
http://www.fuzeblocks.com/ (http://www.fuzeblocks.com/)
 
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: jamiemac on September 10, 2012, 06:02:57 PM
I don't have one, but have seen several posts of folks who love theirs.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: gPink on September 10, 2012, 06:08:34 PM
I've got this one on the shelf for winter work.
http://www.easternbeaver.com/main/products/fuseboxes/pc-8/pc-8.html (http://www.easternbeaver.com/main/products/fuseboxes/pc-8/pc-8.html)
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: OCK913 on September 10, 2012, 06:11:46 PM
IMHO, the Fuzeblock FZ1 is the absolute best aftermarket fuse box. There are some others that are very good as well, and less expensive. Take a look at http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Products/Fuseboxes/PC-8/pc-8.html (http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Products/Fuseboxes/PC-8/pc-8.html) and http://www.centechwire.com/catalog/panels/ap2.shtml (http://www.centechwire.com/catalog/panels/ap2.shtml). The only downside to the Fuzeblock brand is the price. They have a great product, but they know it and charge a premium for it. And that wiring kit they offer for $34 ..... they may have $10 in materials in that kit so they are making a HUGE profit off that stuff.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: ZG on September 10, 2012, 06:18:47 PM
IMHO, the Fuzeblock FZ1 is the absolute best aftermarket fuse box. The only downside to the Fuzeblock brand is the price. They have a great product, but they know it and charge a premium for it. And that wiring kit they offer for $34 ..... they may have $10 in materials in that kit so they are making a HUGE profit off that stuff.

Is that wiring kit you mention included or extra? (Never mind on that question I see it's additional $)
 
What exactly is that for? Would I need that?  :-\
 
Sorry if these are silly questions, I just honestly don't know so am trying to get educated...  :)
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: OCK913 on September 10, 2012, 10:44:49 PM

What exactly is that for? Would I need that?  :-\
 

It includes three 6" sections of 12 guage wire in black, red, and yellow.
Black for the ground
Yellow will go to the battery for a constant 12 volts
Red will go to a switched power source for 12 volts when the bike is running.
He gives you 2 in-line fuses for the red and yellow leads, a piece of wire loom webbing to cover the wires, and some zip ties.
It is all the wire supplies you need to hook up the fuse box, but just not worth $34 IMO.
But all that aside, as I said originally, the Fuzeblock brand fuse box is probably the best accessory box available.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: ZG on September 10, 2012, 10:58:07 PM
It includes three 6" sections of 12 guage wire in black, red, and yellow.
Black for the ground
Yellow will go to the battery for a constant 12 volts
Red will go to a switched power source for 12 volts when the bike is running.
He gives you 2 in-line fuses for the red and yellow leads, a piece of wire loom webbing to cover the wires, and some zip ties.
It is all the wire supplies you need to hook up the fuse box, but just not worth $34 IMO.
But all that aside, as I said originally, the Fuzeblock brand fuse box is probably the best accessory box available.

Thanks brutha!  :) :chugbeer:
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: udoggie on September 11, 2012, 08:40:28 AM
It includes three 6" sections of 12 guage wire in black, red, and yellow.
Black for the ground
Yellow will go to the battery for a constant 12 volts
Red will go to a switched power source for 12 volts when the bike is running.

Usually we wire the RED wire to the always-on 12V positive power (battery), and use the YELLOW for switched (on when running,  accessory) 12V positive power.

UD
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: OregonLAN on September 11, 2012, 09:34:59 AM
If you're the DIY kid of guy (which I know you aren't), you can pick up a marine fuse block and a 30a waterproof relay for about $15.00 from Amazon. I'm not a huge fan of the Fuseblock FZ-1 because the relay is integrated. If the relay goes out, you basically throw away the unit and purchase another.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: amahoser on September 11, 2012, 10:05:12 AM
Personal Opinion, heated clothing should be run directly to your battery. Heated gear draws lots of amps. A Gerbing jacket and pants combo draw around 10 amps combined add gloves and socks and you are close to 14 amps. There is no need to have Heated clothing on a "switched on" circuit (like a relay) because as soon as you step off the bike, you disconnect it.

Jose Soriano
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: stevewfl on September 11, 2012, 10:25:36 AM
IMHO, the Fuzeblock FZ1 is the absolute best aftermarket fuse box. There are some others that are very good as well, and less expensive. Take a look at http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Products/Fuseboxes/PC-8/pc-8.html (http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Products/Fuseboxes/PC-8/pc-8.html) and http://www.centechwire.com/catalog/panels/ap2.shtml (http://www.centechwire.com/catalog/panels/ap2.shtml). The only downside to the Fuzeblock brand is the price. They have a great product, but they know it and charge a premium for it. And that wiring kit they offer for $34 ..... they may have $10 in materials in that kit so they are making a HUGE profit off that stuff.

+1

Only use it if "second best" won't suffice (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: stevewfl on September 11, 2012, 10:27:11 AM
Personal Opinion, heated clothing should be run directly to your battery. Heated gear draws lots of amps. A Gerbing jacket and pants combo draw around 10 amps combined add gloves and socks and you are close to 14 amps. There is no need to have Heated clothing on a "switched on" circuit (like a relay) because as soon as you step off the bike, you disconnect it.

Jose Soriano


FUZEBLOCK<---switched or unswitched depends on the position of the fuse in each slot.

My Fuzeblock has been running my heated gear successfully for 62,000 miles in 2 years (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: OregonLAN on September 11, 2012, 10:38:09 AM
Personal Opinion, heated clothing should be run directly to your battery. Heated gear draws lots of amps. A Gerbing jacket and pants combo draw around 10 amps combined add gloves and socks and you are close to 14 amps. There is no need to have Heated clothing on a "switched on" circuit (like a relay) because as soon as you step off the bike, you disconnect it.

Jose Soriano

Most decent fuse blocks will handle ~ 20a per circuit, so it shouldn't be a problem if you wanted to. I agree though, it's not necessary for heated gear alone. A 10a - 15a inline fuse is all you really need.

In ZG's case, he has so many gadgets and accessories that it would behoove him to have a switched fuse block for some of it...
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: Rhino on September 11, 2012, 11:56:53 AM
I'm just using a standard auto relay from O'Rielly's and the inline fuses built into my accessories.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: ZG on September 11, 2012, 11:59:35 AM
Great comments and suggestions so far guys, much appreciated, please keep em coming....  :)   :popcorn:
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: stevewfl on September 11, 2012, 12:03:41 PM
Great comments and suggestions so far guys, much appreciated, please keep em coming....  :)   :popcorn:

^^^^open invitation to post-ho!? (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: OCK913 on September 11, 2012, 12:08:31 PM
Usually we wire the RED wire to the always-on 12V positive power (battery), and use the YELLOW for switched (on when running,  accessory) 12V positive power.

UD

There is really no difference, it is simply a color choice. In my younger days I worked for a car audio shop doing radio and alarm installs. The industry standard then was that yellow was constant and red was switched so I have always followed that practice.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: Armyguns on September 11, 2012, 04:11:52 PM
I've got this one on the shelf for winter work.
http://www.easternbeaver.com/main/products/fuseboxes/pc-8/pc-8.html (http://www.easternbeaver.com/main/products/fuseboxes/pc-8/pc-8.html)

+1 on the Eastern Beaver.  Great company to deal with and outstanding product quality.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: just gone on September 11, 2012, 04:13:17 PM
It includes three 6" sections of 12 guage wire in black, red, and yellow.
Black for the ground
Yellow will go to the battery for a constant 12 volts
Red will go to a switched power source for 12 volts when the bike is running.
He gives you 2 in-line fuses for the red and yellow leads, a piece of wire loom webbing to cover the wires, and some zip ties.
It is all the wire supplies you need to hook up the fuse box, but just not worth $34 IMO.
But all that aside, as I said originally, the Fuzeblock brand fuse box is probably the best accessory box available.

I think it's 6 feet long (just to be clear, not nitpicken typos), and the the wire that goes to the switched source can be much smaller (22ga) as it just triggers the on board relay to connect the constant source, on FuzeBlock's website they mention that 18ga is more than sufficient for the switched (+VT) connection. The wiring kit is overpriced unless you are way out in the boonies, then maybe the convenience of having it on hand is worth it?

The Dispatch 1 (http://www.webbikeworld.com/r4/dispatch-1/) looks really nice especially for heated gear, but the price($350-$399)...well for ZG's deep pockets it could work. :D
I guess if you deduct the cost of heat controllers the dispatch one seems better, but I don't have any heated gear yet so
I'm out of my zone of familiarity on that.


Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: ZG on September 11, 2012, 04:19:09 PM
The Dispatch 1 (http://www.webbikeworld.com/r4/dispatch-1/) looks really nice especially for heated gear, but the price($350-$399)...well for ZG's deep pockets it could work. :D
I guess if you deduct the cost of heat controllers the dispatch one seems better, but I don't have any heated gear yet so
I'm out of my zone of familiarity on that.

I like the concept of that one FM but why did they have to make the graphic's of the controller look like something out of a Dr. Suess book??  :doublepuke:
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: Mad River Marc on September 11, 2012, 06:52:19 PM
There is really no difference, it is simply a color choice. In my younger days I worked for a car audio shop doing radio and alarm installs. The industry standard then was that yellow was constant and red was switched so I have always followed that practice.


Yup, when I was working as an installer we had Yellow for Constant and red for switched as well...

Unless you were installing a radio in a late 80's Ford... in which case red was GROUND!!  :o
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 12, 2012, 06:11:11 AM
Watching this thread with interest.  The tech that went over the bike with me when I bought it said the fasteners holding the battery door were soft so he recommended adding a fuse block if I was going to add any accessories so I didn't have to open the battery door everytime I wanted to add something.

Where do most of you place the fuse block?
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: stevewfl on September 12, 2012, 06:43:04 AM
Watching this thread with interest.  The tech that went over the bike with me when I bought it said the fasteners holding the battery door were soft so he recommended adding a fuse block if I was going to add any accessories so I didn't have to open the battery door everytime I wanted to add something.

Where do most of you place the fuse block?


Most of us mount it below the black side panel on the right in front, or under the seat, in place of tool kit, etc etc etc there are so many ways to mount it.....
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: ljcorby on September 12, 2012, 12:11:44 PM
IMHO, the Fuzeblock FZ1 is the absolute best aftermarket fuse box. There are some others that are very good as well, and less expensive. Take a look at http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Products/Fuseboxes/PC-8/pc-8.html (http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Products/Fuseboxes/PC-8/pc-8.html) and http://www.centechwire.com/catalog/panels/ap2.shtml (http://www.centechwire.com/catalog/panels/ap2.shtml). The only downside to the Fuzeblock brand is the price. They have a great product, but they know it and charge a premium for it. And that wiring kit they offer for $34 ..... they may have $10 in materials in that kit so they are making a HUGE profit off that stuff.

+1, Fuzeblock is what I used.  :-)
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: Flathead on September 12, 2012, 03:35:57 PM
There is really no difference, it is simply a color choice. In my younger days I worked for a car audio shop doing radio and alarm installs. The industry standard then was that yellow was constant and red was switched so I have always followed that practice.

+1 Many years in the automotive electronics industry, yellow is hot red is not  ;)
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: Pokey on September 12, 2012, 06:07:43 PM
Eastern Beaver PC-8 fuse panel.........
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: Rhino on September 13, 2012, 10:44:35 AM
+1 Many years in the automotive electronics industry, yellow is hot red is not  ;)

I used yellow for the hot lead from the battery to the relay because that is what I happened to have on hand in a heavy gauge. I would have used red and was planning to replace. But if yellow is the industry standard I guess I'll just leave it.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: Spanky on September 13, 2012, 05:15:10 PM
Most decent fuse blocks will handle ~ 20a per circuit, so it shouldn't be a problem if you wanted to. I agree though, it's not necessary for heated gear alone. A 10a - 15a inline fuse is all you really need.

In ZG's case, he has so many gadgets and accessories that it would behoove him to have a switched fuse block for some of it...

Fuzeblock's website states that they are only 10 amp circuits max. Has anyone used a 15A fuse for heated gear with no problems? I did not get a fuzeblock because in the winter I may use the jacket, pants, gloves, and boot soles - so I imagine I am pulling close to 15 amps with that setup. Just curious if it is ok to run a 15 a circuit with this or not.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: 556ALPHA on September 13, 2012, 07:00:08 PM
Eastern Beaver PC-8 fuse panel.........

My choice if I decide to add any additional components.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: MikeH on September 14, 2012, 05:44:44 AM
i use a Fuzeblock, I drilled a hole in the glove box and mounted it in there.
The 10 amp limit is each circuit but the entire box can handle up to 30 amps, so in that case don't run every piece of heated gear through the same circuit.
I have my heated jacket and clearwater lights running through it (along with a bunch of small drawing things) with no problems.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: stevewfl on September 14, 2012, 11:34:42 AM
Man wow this is  lot of chatter over a fuzeblock  :D
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: just gone on September 14, 2012, 01:28:47 PM
Man wow this is  lot of chatter over a fuzeblock  :D

Sure is, but that's how bikes have changed over the years. It used to be all about carburetors
and spark plugs, and making sure little swivel plates had the "X" between two lines at top dead center.
My first bikes had no electrical relays and this one comes from the factory with 13 (unless I miscounted).
Mine now has 12 additional ones (unless I miscounted) for a total of 25 relays. Yep, these days it's mostly
about electricity and the fuseblocks/Fuzeblocks have really gained importance for all the additional farkles.

Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: Caffeinated on September 17, 2012, 08:34:12 AM
If you want the latest and greatest technology, and don't want to worry about fuses, the PDM60 is the way to go.....

http://www.rocketmoto.com/index.php/rowe-electronics-pdm60-power-distribution-module-digital-circuit-breaker-panel.html (http://www.rocketmoto.com/index.php/rowe-electronics-pdm60-power-distribution-module-digital-circuit-breaker-panel.html)

Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: danl on September 17, 2012, 10:03:34 AM
I just put a Fuzeblock on my wife's VStar 1300. Yes, on the expensive side, but it's a nice small compact unit and easy to work with. I have a light bar, LED lamps, stereo and 12v outlet connected to it. I did her heated gear direct to the battery.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: stevewfl on September 17, 2012, 10:06:05 AM
If you want the latest and greatest technology, and don't want to worry about fuses, the PDM60 is the way to go.....

http://www.rocketmoto.com/index.php/rowe-electronics-pdm60-power-distribution-module-digital-circuit-breaker-panel.html (http://www.rocketmoto.com/index.php/rowe-electronics-pdm60-power-distribution-module-digital-circuit-breaker-panel.html)

Nice but.....

GEEZ I thought the FUZEBLOCK was pricey.  This product only has 3 total 15 amp and "3" 5 amp circuits for $148 (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/eek.gif)   (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/eek.gif)   (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/eek.gif)
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: ljcorby on September 17, 2012, 10:26:03 AM
Fuzeblock works for me.   ;D
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: ZG on September 17, 2012, 10:48:04 AM
I ordered up the Fuzeblock one yesterday from Cyclenutz.
 
Thanks for all the help on this one guys!  :thumbs: :chugbeer:
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: Pokey on September 17, 2012, 09:40:54 PM
I ordered up the Fuzeblock one yesterday from Cyclenutz.
 
Thanks for all the help on this one guys!  :thumbs: :chugbeer:


Should've gone with the Beaver......just sayin. ;)
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: ZG on September 17, 2012, 10:56:41 PM

Should've gone with the Beaver......just sayin. ;)

Yep, I got some of that too Brian...  ;)
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: gPink on September 18, 2012, 04:02:17 AM

Yep, I got some of that too Brian...  ;)
mailorder?
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: VirginiaJim on September 18, 2012, 04:03:52 AM
Mail order Beaver?  Kinda hard to get it through the post office I would think.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: gPink on September 18, 2012, 04:12:14 AM
Be tough to get past the dogs,too.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: VirginiaJim on September 18, 2012, 05:11:45 AM
Yeah, he'd probably gnaw his way out in the sorter room.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: gPink on September 18, 2012, 05:20:10 AM
beaver + gnaw = ugly picture
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: VirginiaJim on September 18, 2012, 05:27:25 AM
Yar...
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: ZG on September 18, 2012, 09:23:50 AM
 :rotflmao:
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: Pokey on September 18, 2012, 11:07:08 PM

Yep, I got some of that too Brian...  ;)


You smart arse twit! :battle: :goodpost:
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: ZG on September 19, 2012, 09:05:46 AM

You smart arse twit! :battle: :goodpost:

 ;D ;D ;D
 
Sparky is a bad influence I guess...  :-\
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: Flathead on September 19, 2012, 04:55:05 PM
mailorder?

I thought you could only get mailorder beaver from Russia?
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: VirginiaJim on September 19, 2012, 04:56:48 PM
I should hope not.  We have enough problems with our beavers.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: gPink on September 19, 2012, 05:21:50 PM
You're not complaining about getting lip from your beaver are you?
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: ZG on September 19, 2012, 05:24:04 PM
You're not complaining about getting lip from your beaver are you?

 ;D ;D ;D     :-X
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: Mojoh on January 27, 2013, 09:05:19 AM
Most of us mount it below the black side panel on the right in front, or under the seat, in place of tool kit, etc etc etc there are so many ways to mount it.....

I've seen the tool kit delete mount. Anyone have pics and description of the side panel mount along with degree of difficulty info?
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: PlaynInPeoria on January 30, 2013, 01:23:02 PM
I bought a Centech for my FZ1 and hated it. Very dumb design IMO.  To attach something, you had to remove the cover to get to the screws. Plus, ground out of one side, power out of the other.   Depending on how it's mounted and how permanent that it, you may not have accces to both sides, or be able to remove the cover. I told my brother why I didn't like it and sold it to him at a loss.  Plus, it had a bare circuit board on the back side, just asking to short something.  Whoever designed that thing must have never used it.  Just one man's opinion.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: Aegir on November 05, 2013, 04:47:29 PM
If you want the latest and greatest technology, and don't want to worry about fuses, the PDM60 is the way to go.....

Anybody tried one of these yet?  Especially the latest release?  Looking at that or the PowerHub2 from Twisted Throttle. Used Fuzeblock on Versys and liked. But, these much more compact.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: Smokeyzx on November 06, 2013, 08:08:29 AM
I bought a Centech for my FZ1 and hated it. Very dumb design IMO.  To attach something, you had to remove the cover to get to the screws. Plus, ground out of one side, power out of the other.   Depending on how it's mounted and how permanent that it, you may not have accces to both sides, or be able to remove the cover. I told my brother why I didn't like it and sold it to him at a loss.  Plus, it had a bare circuit board on the back side, just asking to short something.  Whoever designed that thing must have never used it.  Just one man's opinion.

I have the FZ1 and it works great but I hate everything mentioned above. I will get a different model next time.
Title: Re: which box to use for adding more electronics??
Post by: viper on November 06, 2013, 02:06:37 PM
I made my own,

1 small pvc hobby box  for all the posatives, direct link to the battery via a 30amp relay using thick red wire  , solid connector block inside to attach your various accessories to, realy is active by any switched live

1 small pvc hobby box for all the earths for your accessories, box attached to a good earth point on the frame, plenty of space under the seat to position boxes.